Tbh the issue isn't even about which is the correct day, it's a wider problem to do with a "we're right, therefore you're wrong"mentality which seems to crop up twice a year and so we get snide accusations from both sides saying oh they must be blind or they must have very good eyesight (depending on which side you happen to agree with). Now, if the issue with moon sighting is due to a difference in methodology then there will always be a difference of opinion and the sooner we accept that, the better. Perhaps we should instead respect the difference rather than using it as a means of division amongst us. It's just a shame that every Ramadhan has to begin this way... Anyway, Allah knows best
Islam isn't about respecting differences, it's about respecting the truth. Why am i obliged to follow some math that modern muslims have brought along which has been refuted by almost all pre-mdern scholars, and all traditional scholars who follow pre-modern scholars and salaf?
Only Allah can open their hearts and minds..... 1 Saudi announces to its nation, not world. 2 Saudi always seem to announce first. 3 The sighting seems to be exclusive to Saudi. 4 No country before or after seems to have sighted when Saudi have claimed sighting. 5 No evidence from the Quran and Sunnah to follow Saudi. 6 Morocco has the best moonsighting establishment in the world. 272 points in their kingdom, every month with the naked eye. 7 By following Saudi, one has made redundant the verses and passages stated in the Quran and Sunnah. Why is it that people are rejecting the clear evidence and instead following that which is not prescribed by the Qur'an and Sunnah? What will it take for people to understand not to follow that which is doubtful, unreliable and unverified? Only Allah can open their hearts and minds.....
Shaykh Hamza great answer again.. In the UK the majority follow the Sunnah and look for the new moon.. Sadly, the innovators follow Saudi establishment but claim to follow Qur'an and Sunnah
What about arafat day of fasting,are we have to fasting empty day,without a really arafat day,what's wrong,one moon,one religion,one world,one creation,please don't insist the wrong path
Why do you lie and insist the majority look for the moon when the majority of the Masaajid follow Saudi? It could possibly be incorrect to follow Saudi but why lie and label the majority of the UK Muslims as Mubtadees?
asalaam alaikum my dear brother or sister. can you please list the full lecture and the description. may Allah (swt) you and keep you in w good state of iman and health.
Full Moon vs Crescent Moon Which one is better and clearer marker without dispute to signify the start of an important event? Shahru brings the meaning of masyhur or well known or brightest or fullness. Full moon 🌕 should be the brighter and clearer marker in sky, compared to initial crescent stage moon 🌙 Naturally you have no need for telescope to see full moon. Who was responsible in changing this original tradition and go opposite way? Think again n again wether it is full moon or crescent moon that alquran is referring after..
You are just confusing people. The aftereffect is controversies and splitting the month in every city. Even if we go for the calculation, we can still watch the moon to connect with Nature.
pride is to deny truth and look down upon others..so beware of pride within us please..iam suffering due to it for past 1yr..Astagfirullah..Allaah knows what's in our hearts...two are invisible..one is creator and second is our heart..let's be aware of it...Allaah is unseen and so is our heart..may Allah forgive us all...Aameen..just want to convey that we have single moon...single Rabb...but muslims hearts are very distant 😢😢 sorry if am wrong..may be out of my emotions 😢😢
+WhatIsLife not necessarily, what if the mosque they are following is wrong, btw I'm not saying your family follows the wrong mosque, I'm just saying you can't just say, just keep doing what your families been doing, find out for yourself, maybe your family will be right maybe not but at least you'll know for sure after ur research
+Numaan Rashid here in the UK there are 2 main groups. One follow Saudi, and the other go with local sighting or the closest country where the moon was sighted. If I remember correctly, both of these are correct according to scholars so follow whichever you and your family wish to follow but don't go around forcing your opinion onto others.
WhatIsLife One is more correct than the other, both cannot be on level correctness. When you leave the teachings of the Qur'an and Sunnah, this is what happens to the ummah.
Idk how to ask it, but i asked forgiveness before the question so assalamualaikum brother what about the lailatul qudr, is it one day (moment) or its different for different countries? Plz reply
Sumon Islam iki brother, but my question was if moon shighting is different in different countries so will be the odd nights so does this implies different lailatul qudr in different countries.
@@sofiqulislam6447 the night moves around the earth as it passes by the diffrent places since its round ... i would say laylatl quadr is the same night when it occours but we cant know when it exactly will be ... there are signs for it tho ... like it will be a clear night the air will have certain properties the sun at the next day will set in a specific way and so on u can look for them and know for urself. and dont listen to anybody who sais he knows when laylatul kadr will be cause only allah knows it
by right every new moon have to be sighted. what happen if all the consecutive months were all hazy or cloudy then do we hare to consider them all to be 30-day? That why we should opt to astronomical calculation, we are now able to calculate the exact time for the eclipses let alone for new moon
Every majid has a calendar indicating the time for Fajr, Dhur, Asr, Magrib, and Isha. All Muslims follow the time set by these calendars without question. If Magrib can be precisely calculated, then surely the date and time indicating the new month can also be calculated. The Quran says that the sun and moon swim in their own orbit and they do not deviate from Allah's command. It also says that the sun and mood are for calculating the days and time.. Using modern calculators is not abandoning the Sunnah anymore than using modern transportation.
As Muslims we put aside our ideas and brains when prophetic guidance tells us to do so. Otherwise we are claiming we know better than devine prophetic guidance and can guide ourselves with our own minds. The prophet (saw) told us to fast when we see the moon. Period! End of story! He also predicted the signs of end times in precise detail: women will walk the markets with their thighs exposed, clothed but naked, barefooted desert Bedouins will compete to build skyscrapers, the mountains of Makkah will become green again. All have come to be in precise detail! Then why do you think your brainpower is superior to prophetic devine guidance when It comes to how we should begin the new moon, ie by seeing it rather than going with a pre calculated time. The comparison of Salah times to monthly beginnings is an apples to oranges comparison for the simple concept that Salah timings are based on actual moments of time, (whether or not you see the sun is irrelevant, actually staring at the sun is harmful to the eyes! Moreover we don't look at the sun, but rather the position of sun in sky, ie where it is) whereas monthly beginnings are based on trying to witness the actual new moon (whether or not it's 29 or 30 days) so in the case of the sun and Salah timings, we pray when the time kicks in based on the position of the sun in sky, the resulting shadows, the darkness of sky etc. So, many factors that differ from eachother (sun, shadows, darkness of sky) and if it is cloudy, you pray early so as not to fall into doubt. But for the moon and months, we are told to witness only 1 thing: the birth of the 1st crescent moon on the 29th of each month. If it's too cloudy to see it, we simply add 1 day to current month (making it 30) then make the day after the 30th the beginning of the new month. There is no need to sight the moon again on the 30th night. Because islamic months are fixed to have only 29 or 30 days. That's the only "calculations" you need to perform! Ie: counting 29 days, witnessing the new moon, the. announcing the new month or prolonging the current month to 30 days. Using calculations is a misinformed fringe opinion and cannot be taken over the consensus of majority of scholarship on this topic, despite the plea to making things easy. Religion is quite easy, however everything easy is not necessarily religion!
@@Memorize-Quran-With-Me ; lt's not fringe opinion. Many modern Muslim scholars like Tahir Al Qadri and Yusluf Qaradawi, may Allah have mercy on his soul, promote calculation. We depend on calculation for salat times of day and since the moon's orbit around the sun is fixed, it can be calculated.
I disagree. The Quran came to bring about a universal message. See surah 55:5.See2:111.See 67:3-6.See 6:114.See 5:44-49 (If you fail to judge..........See 25:33.See 6:19.See 18:54.See 23:68(Ponder)See 31:6 See 45:6 See 25:30
7:45 Amazing point
U gotta admire Shaykh's deep ilm in Islam
Please don't forget to say allahumma barik
Tbh the issue isn't even about which is the correct day, it's a wider problem to do with a "we're right, therefore you're wrong"mentality which seems to crop up twice a year and so we get snide accusations from both sides saying oh they must be blind or they must have very good eyesight (depending on which side you happen to agree with).
Now, if the issue with moon sighting is due to a difference in methodology then there will always be a difference of opinion and the sooner we accept that, the better. Perhaps we should instead respect the difference rather than using it as a means of division amongst us. It's just a shame that every Ramadhan has to begin this way...
Anyway, Allah knows best
Imran Bashir
Imran Bashir
One method is more correct than the other and that's what ulema have to decide upon.
Islam isn't about respecting differences, it's about respecting the truth. Why am i obliged to follow some math that modern muslims have brought along which has been refuted by almost all pre-mdern scholars, and all traditional scholars who follow pre-modern scholars and salaf?
Soooooooo peaceful
Ma shaa Allah 😊
Only Allah can open their hearts and minds.....
1 Saudi announces to its nation, not world.
2 Saudi always seem to announce first.
3 The sighting seems to be exclusive to Saudi.
4 No country before or after seems to have sighted when Saudi have claimed sighting.
5 No evidence from the Quran and Sunnah to follow Saudi.
6 Morocco has the best moonsighting establishment in the world. 272 points in their kingdom, every month with the naked eye. 7 By following Saudi, one has made redundant the verses and passages stated in the Quran and Sunnah.
Why is it that people are rejecting the clear evidence and instead following that which is not prescribed by the Qur'an and Sunnah?
What will it take for people to understand not to follow that which is doubtful, unreliable and unverified?
Only Allah can open their hearts and minds.....
Shaykh Hamza great answer again.. In the UK the majority follow the Sunnah and look for the new moon..
Sadly, the innovators follow Saudi establishment but claim to follow Qur'an and Sunnah
What about arafat day of fasting,are we have to fasting empty day,without a really arafat day,what's wrong,one moon,one religion,one world,one creation,please don't insist the wrong path
Why do you lie and insist the majority look for the moon when the majority of the Masaajid follow Saudi? It could possibly be incorrect to follow Saudi but why lie and label the majority of the UK Muslims as Mubtadees?
Jazakallahu khairan for sharing this.
asalaam alaikum my dear brother or sister.
can you please list the full lecture and the description.
may Allah (swt) you and keep you in w good state of iman and health.
thank you, one of my favorite
Full Moon vs Crescent Moon
Which one is better and clearer marker without dispute to signify the start of an important event?
Shahru brings the meaning of masyhur or well known or brightest or fullness.
Full moon 🌕 should be the brighter and clearer marker in sky, compared to initial crescent stage moon 🌙
Naturally you have no need for telescope to see full moon.
Who was responsible in changing this original tradition and go opposite way?
Think again n again wether it is full moon or crescent moon that alquran is referring after..
Amazing
Please note It is the FIRST CRESCENT [HILAL} not just the crescent moon. Quran refers to HILAL which is the FIRST CRESCENT.
You are just confusing people.
The aftereffect is controversies and splitting the month in every city.
Even if we go for the calculation, we can still watch the moon to connect with Nature.
someone pls the name of the Scottish man and his book/article about the moon.
Anyone know the reference the shaykh is using from the scottish man?
yeah , but it should be done at the same day on the same countries .In the uk you have people do it one day and others do it next day
W.E thats because one of the groups are not sticking to the prescribed method
pride is to deny truth and look down upon others..so beware of pride within us please..iam suffering due to it for past 1yr..Astagfirullah..Allaah knows what's in our hearts...two are invisible..one is creator and second is our heart..let's be aware of it...Allaah is unseen and so is our heart..may Allah forgive us all...Aameen..just want to convey that we have single moon...single Rabb...but muslims hearts are very distant 😢😢 sorry if am wrong..may be out of my emotions 😢😢
What about in UK my neighbour does it on a different day as me depending on what masjid they follow??
It's not a major issue. Follow the mosque you and your family usually follow.
+WhatIsLife not necessarily, what if the mosque they are following is wrong, btw I'm not saying your family follows the wrong mosque, I'm just saying you can't just say, just keep doing what your families been doing, find out for yourself, maybe your family will be right maybe not but at least you'll know for sure after ur research
+Numaan Rashid here in the UK there are 2 main groups. One follow Saudi, and the other go with local sighting or the closest country where the moon was sighted. If I remember correctly, both of these are correct according to scholars so follow whichever you and your family wish to follow but don't go around forcing your opinion onto others.
WhatIsLife
One is more correct than the other, both cannot be on level correctness.
When you leave the teachings of the Qur'an and Sunnah, this is what happens to the ummah.
Maryam Ahmed - This is a sad truth! We have that issue... One mosque is following Mecca. rest are waiting yo see Moon!
Last day of Ramadan 2018
Idk how to ask it, but i asked forgiveness before the question so assalamualaikum brother what about the lailatul qudr, is it one day (moment) or its different for different countries? Plz reply
It is one of the odd nights in the last 10 nights of Ramadan.
Sumon Islam iki brother, but my question was if moon shighting is different in different countries so will be the odd nights so does this implies different lailatul qudr in different countries.
@@sofiqulislam6447 the night moves around the earth as it passes by the diffrent places since its round ... i would say laylatl quadr is the same night when it occours but we cant know when it exactly will be ... there are signs for it tho ... like it will be a clear night the air will have certain properties the sun at the next day will set in a specific way and so on u can look for them and know for urself. and dont listen to anybody who sais he knows when laylatul kadr will be cause only allah knows it
Please read my article from the moonsighting page of Khalid Shoukath under the articles section "New thoughts about Islamic calendar"
by right every new moon have to be sighted. what happen if all the consecutive months were all hazy or cloudy then do we hare to consider them all to be 30-day?
That why we should opt to astronomical calculation, we are now able to calculate the exact time for the eclipses let alone for new moon
what lecture is this?
This is from the 'Vision of Islam' lecture series.
Where an that be found?
Wilada ! Easy
Every majid has a calendar indicating the time for Fajr, Dhur, Asr, Magrib, and Isha. All Muslims follow the time set by these calendars without question. If Magrib can be precisely calculated, then surely the date and time indicating the new month can also be calculated. The Quran says that the sun and moon swim in their own orbit and they do not deviate from Allah's command. It also says that the sun and mood are for calculating the days and time.. Using modern calculators is not abandoning the Sunnah anymore than using modern transportation.
As Muslims we put aside our ideas and brains when prophetic guidance tells us to do so. Otherwise we are claiming we know better than devine prophetic guidance and can guide ourselves with our own minds.
The prophet (saw) told us to fast when we see the moon. Period! End of story! He also predicted the signs of end times in precise detail: women will walk the markets with their thighs exposed, clothed but naked, barefooted desert Bedouins will compete to build skyscrapers, the mountains of Makkah will become green again. All have come to be in precise detail!
Then why do you think your brainpower is superior to prophetic devine guidance when It comes to how we should begin the new moon, ie by seeing it rather than going with a pre calculated time.
The comparison of Salah times to monthly beginnings is an apples to oranges comparison for the simple concept that Salah timings are based on actual moments of time, (whether or not you see the sun is irrelevant, actually staring at the sun is harmful to the eyes! Moreover we don't look at the sun, but rather the position of sun in sky, ie where it is) whereas monthly beginnings are based on trying to witness the actual new moon (whether or not it's 29 or 30 days) so in the case of the sun and Salah timings, we pray when the time kicks in based on the position of the sun in sky, the resulting shadows, the darkness of sky etc. So, many factors that differ from eachother (sun, shadows, darkness of sky) and if it is cloudy, you pray early so as not to fall into doubt. But for the moon and months, we are told to witness only 1 thing: the birth of the 1st crescent moon on the 29th of each month. If it's too cloudy to see it, we simply add 1 day to current month (making it 30) then make the day after the 30th the beginning of the new month. There is no need to sight the moon again on the 30th night. Because islamic months are fixed to have only 29 or 30 days. That's the only "calculations" you need to perform! Ie: counting 29 days, witnessing the new moon, the. announcing the new month or prolonging the current month to 30 days.
Using calculations is a misinformed fringe opinion and cannot be taken over the consensus of majority of scholarship on this topic, despite the plea to making things easy. Religion is quite easy, however everything easy is not necessarily religion!
@@Memorize-Quran-With-Me ; lt's not fringe opinion. Many modern Muslim scholars like Tahir Al Qadri and Yusluf Qaradawi, may Allah have mercy on his soul, promote calculation. We depend on calculation for salat times of day and since the moon's orbit around the sun is fixed, it can be calculated.
brace yourself! people are coming to accuse muslims of worshiping a moon god! (again)
I disagree. The Quran came to bring about a universal message. See surah 55:5.See2:111.See 67:3-6.See 6:114.See 5:44-49 (If you fail to judge..........See 25:33.See 6:19.See 18:54.See 23:68(Ponder)See 31:6 See 45:6 See 25:30
Abdurahman Ismail ???
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