@@OnlyTidusoh please) you can get into trouble due to the fault of a shaman, warrior, etc. I've been playing for Hunt for 3 years and haven't had a single error like this. It's not about the class, it's about the player. By level 60 you should have a pool of players you trust. and only with them should you go to dungeons if you want to live.
@@MsWergo nah I seen enough death clips to not care what you say, won't be a hunter in any of my runs ever, warlocks on the watch list too. People who don't know what pet pathing, petattack and pet passive are for aren't worth the risks and you don't know until it's too late And your examples shaman and warrior they mess up and pull 1 more pack, pet classes mess up and pull 50 mobs, big difference in whats carryable
@@OnlyTidus You can have an imp warlock with pet being passive, they don't body pull and pathing doesn't matter (afaik) while they are intangible. And they don't drop it on their own. I'm more suspicious of dwarf players than others, though. Dwarf warrior as the tank = hard no.
they are so useless in DM north, blizzard even put traps in the instance to do their job, let that sink in. when you realize you need a rogue to open the door, any combination of priest, paladin, mage and warlock to fill the rest of the dps and healer spots will give you a much better chance to make it out alive.
@@vinceslapchopper you're a noob bro hunters solo dm north for all the idiots wanting the buffs and for pots/gold it's not even hunters in general it's just terrible players that play any pet class.
You are a good man for staying around and trying to make it out, you could of peaced very easily.. Unfortunately in life, sometimes good men have to acknowledge that the surrounding individuals are not going to make it, and you gotta cut your losses. I respect you for staying, a true hero.
sometimes the "best men" know that, cutting off the hand is better than losing the whole arm, sometimes you gotta make tough choices in life. @@dtreezy
He did got out of combat after vanish, but for some reason he then headed to the right, closer to the dogs that can see through stealth and they aggro'd instantly. He should have went the other way.
that is true but the dogs stealth detection is in a cone, so even if they get in combat with his team within the range of that cone they detect him putting him on combat. So even if he vanished and went other way the dogs were heading that direction anyways so it should have pulled him back into combat a second or 2 later. He had a petri tho :p leave group petri. Think it's worth a mention he also decided too stay and help in what ever way he could, as a rogue he could have been selfish ran too the ogre pack (right side as u head out of the dungeon) and vanished but that's leaving them to fend for themselves. Savix goes down with the ship!
Never try to skip that corner back ever, with whatever changes blizzard made, the aggro range of that pack is insane and sometimes when youre pulling the mobs infront of the stairs can also aggro them
Worst part is you all probably survive if you go every man for themselves. Vanish, FD x2, druid jumps in cat form to soften fall damage and then hearth, pally bubble jump hearth.
Savix’s honor and selflessness is something to look up to. I can only hope to play this way, and will do my best to do that - you’re an inspiration Savix 💕
Guys don't skip packs in max level dungeons , 3 min for clearing that pack vs your 8 days /played literally. That pack on stairs has a huge aggro range and yes hunter pet ninja pulled but i dont really understand why engaged upstairs without waiting everyone. This whole situation could have been avoided by taking it slow. No escape route if something goes wrong. Rip Are tho , he grinded a lot and respect Savix for not abandoning the ship
that team comp in Dire Maul north is almost asking for a wipe. No priest, no mage, no warlock, this is the no CC dream team you got there. I would have never joined that group if I were the healer or tank when I know all the dps can go every man for himself mode when shit hits the fan.
and this right here is why i always say to clear the mobs, cos you never know what will happen. Mistakes happen and that is life, but what you can do is to try to mitigate the possibility of critical mistakes and clearing the mobs is one pretty fast way to do that. How much time would it have taken to clear the mobs vs leveling from start. Most deaths i see are because someone tried to save time either by over agro, skipping or some other behaviour like that :)
Classic dungeons are extremely difficult when you ding 60, so choosing group composition is too important. Two hunters is too many. Paladin has limited 5 man dungeon healing output until a few pieces of gear drop. Priest is the only way to get big heals with low item level gear. Druid tanks don't get enough threat and can't parry and block so your paladin can't keep up healing.
I feel bad for Savix and everyone of course. I had a bad feeling something like this would happen because it almost always does when you play for a long time, and then decide to do one last thing, it just gives off a bad feeling. We go agane! It sucks because I know Savix really loves playing Rogue and he just got 60 not too long ago, ready to raid with the Brothers, I just hope you and everyone else aren't taking it too hard. o7 take a break if you need to
I would do Marksman, no pet with Lone Wolf talent for the peace of mind. There are some good keybinds you use a pet. Mine was /pet attack to arcane shot so my pet only attacks what i shoot first. Then i remove any pet attack keybinds to prevent accidents. Also i would keep a return pet keybind on the mouse wheel roll back function to be fast as possible if the pet goes awry.
he had it macro'd. Even with the macro it can rarely fail like this due to swing timers, server ticks, whatever Edit: Okay I should have watched more of the video I assumed he would have had it macro'd lmao. But what I said is still true, it can fail even with the macro but it's pretty rare
If a group especially in 60 dungeons start to skip and move around packs to avoid a few minutes = you ask them to clear or you hearth. Simple blacklist for PUG dungeons. Any tank that isn't a warrior. Ret paladin, DPS priest anything shaman, anything druid, any hunter. Keep rogues (can be contentious with vanish but they bring too much utility and dmg so it's worth the risk), mages, locks (summons, stones, imp buff), priest healers. Watch your chances dramatically go up in surviving. If you want a DPS warrior and the tank doesn't mind, that's sort of ok but good luck having a pug tank ok with that. Obviously if you have a trusted static the rules are more loose so of course you're not going to say no to a properly spec'd and geared holy paladin you know for example.
Everyone is blaming the hunter but the real sabotage was whoever decided to skip a trash pull in a hardcore dungeon. You spend dozens of hours to reach this point and you are gonna skip a pack because it could potentially save 90 seconds? Sorry but you guys were asking for this by thinking you could skip. :(
screw all players who skip mob packs, who don't immediately call running when things go wrong and fight it out and people who don't immediately take action and end group.
Don’t ever group up with hunters or warlocks, pets will end your run in the worst way possible. Plus these are people taking the “easiest” path, they’re not the people you want in your group anyways.
Bricked up Brother is a very large guild, so there's bound to be some outliers, but almost everyone I've grouped with in BUB & BUG have been above average to exceptional players
I can see a future where Hunters and Warlocks aren't' allowed to have their pets out except on boss fights. Group and Raid leaders will eventually, simply, disallow them from having their pets out. It will be a normal requirement.
Guzu died from paying too much attention to his chat and not the game and Savix died trying to save his team, failing a light of elune hearth and vanishing right next to a pack of dogs that can see him in stealth :/
I just don't get why he didn't know that he couldn't leave group with that addon, and didn't have a light of elune +hearth macro, being that is it's only use for hc.
As long as shit is still manageable, I’ll stay and fight for each person in the group. But if shit really hits the fan and people start dying, it’s every man for himself. I‘m not going to restart all over again, just because some people still haven’t learned how to manage their pet, or how not to stand in fire, in a almost twenty year old game.
The hunters could have also agro'd the mobs blocking the path with their pets and then sent them back to a stay position so the group can run through without getting agro.
my man, sorry to see you go like this. just play wtv you want man, fuck the content. cant make good content without having fun :) I'd love to see rogue as well as warrior or anything really, just stay alive for the raiding content yeah? ppc with that in mind I'd advise to never skip packs with questionable mobs in hc, guaranteed some1 fucks it up; not even really on the hunter at this point tho pet classes should know to dismiss but wtv I've tanked so many dungeon runs over my wow career, I'd say skip packs only if ur on comms WE GO AGANE BROTHERS
Feels bad man, you could've saved yourself with earlier vanish, but you didn't wanted to leave your groupies. :( Too bad that you guys didn't HS'd the fuck out of there when you had a chance. Feels like you could've lived just by HS'ing when there was nowhere else to run. It took more then 10 seconds for the mobs to catch you up. You died with honor tho and stayed with your group till the very end which is awesome. Not many rogues would do that. /salute
Have to admit that was disappointing. Why even ask your subscribers to vote when you are going to play the class you want anyway? If you don't want to play Druid be a man and just say so and take it off the board. Makes all of your content look sus.
o7 sorry brotha, got to 60 at least, the series has been fun to watch. Keep playing Savix, you’re a nice guy for trying to save the homies but HC is all about self preservation
I mean this wasn't no where near as bad as guzus hole in one bro was in berserker stance and had double the rage needed for intercept that wasn't even aura/macro related just brain rotting response times.
I hate to say it but this was played poorly in so many ways. If everyone Insta jumped off and hearthed, they would have lived. If they ran through instead of waiting for pat, they would have lived.
Not every hunter, but always a hunter.
Never group with hunters
@@OnlyTidusoh please) you can get into trouble due to the fault of a shaman, warrior, etc. I've been playing for Hunt for 3 years and haven't had a single error like this. It's not about the class, it's about the player. By level 60 you should have a pool of players you trust. and only with them should you go to dungeons if you want to live.
@@MsWergo nah I seen enough death clips to not care what you say, won't be a hunter in any of my runs ever, warlocks on the watch list too.
People who don't know what pet pathing, petattack and pet passive are for aren't worth the risks and you don't know until it's too late
And your examples shaman and warrior they mess up and pull 1 more pack, pet classes mess up and pull 50 mobs, big difference in whats carryable
@@OnlyTidus just ask the hunter if he knows what he's doing instead of being a bitch lmao
@@OnlyTidus You can have an imp warlock with pet being passive, they don't body pull and pathing doesn't matter (afaik) while they are intangible. And they don't drop it on their own. I'm more suspicious of dwarf players than others, though. Dwarf warrior as the tank = hard no.
My man, you are literally too pure for this world.
I am so sorry 😭
agreed
We need more like him in this world ❤
lol calm the F down you simps :D
more worried about his team then himself, what a gentleman, rare breed these days.
Never invite a hunter for a dungeon once you reach 60
Just pick hunter yourself. can't be wiped by a hunter if you are the hunter ;)
they are so useless in DM north, blizzard even put traps in the instance to do their job, let that sink in. when you realize you need a rogue to open the door, any combination of priest, paladin, mage and warlock to fill the rest of the dps and healer spots will give you a much better chance to make it out alive.
@@vinceslapchopper you're a noob bro hunters solo dm north for all the idiots wanting the buffs and for pots/gold it's not even hunters in general it's just terrible players that play any pet class.
@@dragonsininc.1099 um yes u can
Never invite a hunter for a dungeon ever
You are a good man for staying around and trying to make it out, you could of peaced very easily..
Unfortunately in life, sometimes good men have to acknowledge that the surrounding individuals are not going to make it, and you gotta cut your losses.
I respect you for staying, a true hero.
It is very sad to watch good players die trying to save bad players who will die anyways :(
sometimes the "best men" know that, cutting off the hand is better than losing the whole arm, sometimes you gotta make tough choices in life. @@dtreezy
@@kudohlol9379there may be differing opinions on the definition of "best" here.
Imagine having 2 hunters in your group.. Always a liability
Yeah, anyone taking hunters into dungeons is asking to die.
He did got out of combat after vanish, but for some reason he then headed to the right, closer to the dogs that can see through stealth and they aggro'd instantly. He should have went the other way.
that is true but the dogs stealth detection is in a cone, so even if they get in combat with his team within the range of that cone they detect him putting him on combat. So even if he vanished and went other way the dogs were heading that direction anyways so it should have pulled him back into combat a second or 2 later. He had a petri tho :p leave group petri.
Think it's worth a mention he also decided too stay and help in what ever way he could, as a rogue he could have been selfish ran too the ogre pack (right side as u head out of the dungeon) and vanished but that's leaving them to fend for themselves. Savix goes down with the ship!
I saw you in there before dinner and thought to myself "this dungeon is a death trap." Savix was too good for this world (of warcraft).
Never try to skip that corner back ever, with whatever changes blizzard made, the aggro range of that pack is insane and sometimes when youre pulling the mobs infront of the stairs can also aggro them
Yeah Savix was just being dumb
Worst part is you all probably survive if you go every man for themselves. Vanish, FD x2, druid jumps in cat form to soften fall damage and then hearth, pally bubble jump hearth.
Savix’s honor and selflessness is something to look up to. I can only hope to play this way, and will do my best to do that - you’re an inspiration Savix 💕
That blows man. You guys broke dungeon rule #1. Always pull the pack. That goes for every dungeon.
Guys don't skip packs in max level dungeons , 3 min for clearing that pack vs your 8 days /played literally. That pack on stairs has a huge aggro range and yes hunter pet ninja pulled but i dont really understand why engaged upstairs without waiting everyone. This whole situation could have been avoided by taking it slow. No escape route if something goes wrong. Rip Are tho , he grinded a lot and respect Savix for not abandoning the ship
Any group that starts to walk around packs to avoid them is a "Clear or hearth" from me. Always an escape plan.
that team comp in Dire Maul north is almost asking for a wipe. No priest, no mage, no warlock, this is the no CC dream team you got there. I would have never joined that group if I were the healer or tank when I know all the dps can go every man for himself mode when shit hits the fan.
I don't think I could be so mad for some one else's death. I followed these clips from day 1!!!
"We should have left group way earlier" - Savix
"Sometimes you got to hold 'em and sometimes you got to fold 'em" - Asmongold.
and this right here is why i always say to clear the mobs, cos you never know what will happen. Mistakes happen and that is life, but what you can do is to try to mitigate the possibility of critical mistakes and clearing the mobs is one pretty fast way to do that. How much time would it have taken to clear the mobs vs leveling from start. Most deaths i see are because someone tried to save time either by over agro, skipping or some other behaviour like that :)
Classic dungeons are extremely difficult when you ding 60, so choosing group composition is too important. Two hunters is too many. Paladin has limited 5 man dungeon healing output until a few pieces of gear drop. Priest is the only way to get big heals with low item level gear. Druid tanks don't get enough threat and can't parry and block so your paladin can't keep up healing.
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Just do it slow and dont skip you will be fine with any comp
Go Marks / Survival. Dismiss Pet except on boss fights and big pulls, and as directed by your Dungeon / Raid leader.
Extremely difficult lmao classic wow is so easy 😂 basic shit still fun tho
@@SavageGameHawk So you have a geared level 60 on one of the Hardcore Realms I take it?
savix slain by he good nature yet again, once it's fubar everyone should just run for their own lives
Don't change Savix. He is our hero don't you dare take that away from us. We need a beacon of light in this shit stained tunnel.
@@davidmangus PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE LIGHT!
I feel bad for Savix and everyone of course. I had a bad feeling something like this would happen because it almost always does when you play for a long time, and then decide to do one last thing, it just gives off a bad feeling.
We go agane! It sucks because I know Savix really loves playing Rogue and he just got 60 not too long ago, ready to raid with the Brothers, I just hope you and everyone else aren't taking it too hard.
o7 take a break if you need to
Why didn't the Elune hearth work? Is there a delay that's caused by using it as a macro?
edit: Nvm just realized he said he DIDNT make a macro
Why did light of elune HS not work ? Did he not use a macro? Im confused
I would do Marksman, no pet with Lone Wolf talent for the peace of mind. There are some good keybinds you use a pet. Mine was /pet attack to arcane shot so my pet only attacks what i shoot first. Then i remove any pet attack keybinds to prevent accidents. Also i would keep a return pet keybind on the mouse wheel roll back function to be fast as possible if the pet goes awry.
there is no lone wolf talent in classic lol
Wtf you talking about lone wolf
Guys let the man cook... jokes aside, I think he's theorycrafting based on his wow knowledge in general, not specific to hardcore.
Is there a trick to use Elune + HS safely? Did he die because he didn't use macro?
yeah it needed to be a macro
Yeah if it was macro’d he lives here
Ya light of elune and hearthstone are exactly 10 seconds each. You have to macro it. If there is any delay this could happen.
also have to do it off GCD@@corey1563
he had it macro'd. Even with the macro it can rarely fail like this due to swing timers, server ticks, whatever
Edit: Okay I should have watched more of the video I assumed he would have had it macro'd lmao. But what I said is still true, it can fail even with the macro but it's pretty rare
anytime you group with 2 hunters, you're just asking to die
Why light of elune was not working this time? I saw Payo’s working fine.
If a group especially in 60 dungeons start to skip and move around packs to avoid a few minutes = you ask them to clear or you hearth. Simple blacklist for PUG dungeons. Any tank that isn't a warrior. Ret paladin, DPS priest anything shaman, anything druid, any hunter. Keep rogues (can be contentious with vanish but they bring too much utility and dmg so it's worth the risk), mages, locks (summons, stones, imp buff), priest healers. Watch your chances dramatically go up in surviving. If you want a DPS warrior and the tank doesn't mind, that's sort of ok but good luck having a pug tank ok with that. Obviously if you have a trusted static the rules are more loose so of course you're not going to say no to a properly spec'd and geared holy paladin you know for example.
Everyone is blaming the hunter but the real sabotage was whoever decided to skip a trash pull in a hardcore dungeon. You spend dozens of hours to reach this point and you are gonna skip a pack because it could potentially save 90 seconds? Sorry but you guys were asking for this by thinking you could skip. :(
Sure, or the hunter could not be a doof and pull a level 20 mistake. It was all bad
@@kw4704 Skipping trash is literally never worth. :)
@@iangovea4284 Agreed
screw all players who skip mob packs, who don't immediately call running when things go wrong and fight it out and people who don't immediately take action and end group.
and then not just call it and run when the healer is dead?????? fk u guys
Don’t ever group up with hunters or warlocks, pets will end your run in the worst way possible. Plus these are people taking the “easiest” path, they’re not the people you want in your group anyways.
Good to see my man's was saving his Petri for TBC Harcore. Way to look ahead.
I like how they could have easily hearthed out right before the pat
would a macro elune > cast hearthstone saved him ?
Yes
Bricked up Brother is a very large guild, so there's bound to be some outliers, but almost everyone I've grouped with in BUB & BUG have been above average to exceptional players
So sad here, but some lessons learned here. Never skip mobs, never bring hunters to dungeons, never try to save anyone in HC.
this was heartbreaking to see... you deserved all the glory, top rogue in my opinion in HC WoW
People shouldn’t skip that group.
I can see a future where Hunters and Warlocks aren't' allowed to have their pets out except on boss fights. Group and Raid leaders will eventually, simply, disallow them from having their pets out. It will be a normal requirement.
he didn't have elune hearth macro?????
he didn't drop group an petri????
hello?????
first Guzu and now you..... I never knew I will be so sad about another guys character dying....
Guzu died from paying too much attention to his chat and not the game and Savix died trying to save his team, failing a light of elune hearth and vanishing right next to a pack of dogs that can see him in stealth :/
I just don't get why he didn't know that he couldn't leave group with that addon, and didn't have a light of elune +hearth macro, being that is it's only use for hc.
"Guide them out, not to dip out" a real leader
I was wondering why no new post
Epic adventure!!!😢 ima make a character and join the brothers soon!!!
Saw it on Alana's stream. Good night sweet prince
As long as shit is still manageable, I’ll stay and fight for each person in the group. But if shit really hits the fan and people start dying, it’s every man for himself. I‘m not going to restart all over again, just because some people still haven’t learned how to manage their pet, or how not to stand in fire, in a almost twenty year old game.
Two hunters is a clear suicide
NOW WAY !! :O I AM SO SORRY FOR YOU MAN :*(
There is a reset spot right where you were on the ramp. Savix I love you but you gotta learn where are the reset spots, there are so many ! :D
My man - did you forget that you are a rogue? Ditch these suckas and SURVIVE. Decided way too late. SMH
so that's why no video to the series, been watching since first episode, just sad it happens this way.
35:10 Teletubby
Nooooo Savix :( Rest in peace big bro.
imagine being so bad, having petri and still dying
Respect for trying to help the group. But I would have definitely bolted earlier.
Pretty sure there is a safe spot on that ramp that he almost jumps on at 6 seconds into the video. You have to get a running start.
The hunters could have also agro'd the mobs blocking the path with their pets and then sent them back to a stay position so the group can run through without getting agro.
Fearoshima lived up to his name dropping the bomb on my heart
my man, sorry to see you go like this. just play wtv you want man, fuck the content. cant make good content without having fun :)
I'd love to see rogue as well as warrior or anything really, just stay alive for the raiding content yeah? ppc
with that in mind I'd advise to never skip packs with questionable mobs in hc, guaranteed some1 fucks it up; not even really on the hunter at this point tho pet classes should know to dismiss but wtv
I've tanked so many dungeon runs over my wow career, I'd say skip packs only if ur on comms
WE GO AGANE BROTHERS
90% of wipes in HC seem to be caused by hunters and their pets, sad times
The story of a true gentleman :(
Rest in peace savixdee. Honorable till your last breath
Man im only level 26 and I would hit walls if I died. Cant imagine dying at 60
I'm excited for the next savix play through
The common denominator in almost all dungeon fuckups is hunters, keep that in mind for the next char :D
You just wanted to start an undead with guzu don't lie.😅
another meat riding guzu fan boi
@@belmont9279only Meat riding round here is ur mothers doing on me
@belmont9279 when did wow players become so toxic lol? My man just made a joke and now you're here being all toxic 🤢
Feels bad man, you could've saved yourself with earlier vanish, but you didn't wanted to leave your groupies. :( Too bad that you guys didn't HS'd the fuck out of there when you had a chance. Feels like you could've lived just by HS'ing when there was nowhere else to run. It took more then 10 seconds for the mobs to catch you up. You died with honor tho and stayed with your group till the very end which is awesome. Not many rogues would do that. /salute
This would never happend to payo rogue tho. Bad rogue player
i wana see the pull, you skipped start
After my first death im always sendung all my Gold and All my stuff to Bank alt before going questing or dungeon
But why run (to nowhere) from 3 ogres?
I sold tribute as a hunter, this was horribad. completely avoidable...
peepoCry didn't even die for content
my jaw hit the floor
Can’t wait for Asmon to watch say and say fuck your team you shouldn’t left
Have to admit that was disappointing. Why even ask your subscribers to vote when you are going to play the class you want anyway? If you don't want to play Druid be a man and just say so and take it off the board. Makes all of your content look sus.
Agree
Who cares? It's just a streamer? You could stream too? Listen to yourself, upset over someone else playing a video game? You've lost your mind.
@@Despond you seem upset. Have you lost your mind?
Druid content would be incredible
As a shaman, I can swear by these next words.... never trust a hunter in a 5 man. Prove me wrong.
Never though I would get this title in my feed. It does suck.
What happened? Pet pulled? I am not a knower of Dire Maul
The ramps there are reset points... It's a shame, if you all jumped on one and hearthed you would all be alive
Please remember
Hunter and Huntard is different class in WOWHC.
Reset point at 0:04 seconds into the video.
Anyone who does a dungeon without a mage deserves to die. Same goes for priest and warrior.
Either of the hunters could have kited the pulled mobs jumped down and bought you enough time to kill mobs up top and fd when you were ready for them
Eye of the beast as a hunter, to navigate the pet manually.
so what happened? did the hunters just mass pull like some would do in retail?
did they die in the end? what happened to Fearoshima?
F Savixdee, the brickest of the bricked up brothers
this is the story of where the word huntard originated
It would be nice to watch you play rogue or druid tbh watched guzu level a warrior all the way to 52 idk watching another warrior run not to sure on.
o7 sorry brotha, got to 60 at least, the series has been fun to watch. Keep playing Savix, you’re a nice guy for trying to save the homies but HC is all about self preservation
Damm propaganda for warrior class to be chosen
I mean this wasn't no where near as bad as guzus hole in one bro was in berserker stance and had double the rage needed for intercept that wasn't even aura/macro related just brain rotting response times.
That's what you get for ditching the Mud Hut Clan.
Imagine being stuck in a filthy Mud Hut all your life.
I got so much gear today ughh! "I can use that for click bait if you want??.." LOL I love it so sorry you died.
Damn, RIP. WE GO AGANE!
I was honestly thinking of going hunter but just not using pet in dungeons fuck my dmg who cares
Put pet on passive.
Yep, my hunter is going survival spec focusing on traps and survivability. My pet will NEVER attack unless I direct it too.
2 Hunters = mega sketchy grp comp xD you dubble your chances of a ninjapull
Vanished right at the dogs.... rip go agane
cant be playing hero like this man :( not in hc
I hate to say it but this was played poorly in so many ways. If everyone Insta jumped off and hearthed, they would have lived. If they ran through instead of waiting for pat, they would have lived.