The Supreme Court Is Stepping In To Fight The NCAA And Help Athletes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- This seems like the beginning of the path that will lead to the NCAA losing the strong hold they had over student athletes for too long now.
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Their monopoly is about to unfold.
HERE WE GOOOOOO let’s sit back and see just how this all unfolds 👀
The NCAA could be in huge trouble who knows, could have been living above their means for ages.
I'm ashamed to be be hearing this and watching it unfold. Money does rule!
Nothing warms my heart more than NCAA getting shafted
Especially by the government
@Robin Banks Facts. What bugs me about he elite universities you mentioned, that actually may be worth it, shouldnt even be charging what they do for tuition considering the massive endowments.
Football should go the route of elite junior hockey in Canada. Open to players 16-20 years of age, no affiliation with scholastics or educational institutions , the players attend high school as per norm and college part time if they choose to. Players are paid, can have agents, and are given scholarship funds for time spent in the system which they can use towards furthering education post hockey.
Let's face it, how many players are taking advanced sandbox repair in college just to play football? Not a lot of them are getting a solid education at school.
@@thatsright4194 that’s just not the case, or anywhere close. You’re describing a handful of players each year.
The vast, vast majority understand there’s a 98% chance they’re *not* playing in the NFL, this is an education they’re paying for with their bodies, and they want the education.
Of course, there’s superstars who understand school doesn’t matter for them. There’s also kids who are delusional and think they’re getting to the league when they’re not, and don’t take their education seriously.
But we’re still only talking about a few guys on a few teams.
Essentially the entire football team at middling D1 schools (and everywhere beneath them in competitive level) is aware that at best one or two players on that team are going to the league, this is the end of their football road, and they better take advantage of what they’re being given.
That model would be hard and unworkable. A majority of these college teams are the “professional” sports of the state. Take Alabama for example. The Crimson Tigers are the state sponsored professional team of Alabama (same for Auburn). Remove the affiliation to the state tax payer’s money and these teams wouldn’t exist. This exists for A LOT of the NCAA Div-1 teams. Your model is a good model, but that is how these states/cities/etc., get by with having a professional team.
They shouldn’t do that. None of those people get good education and the pay is less then minimum wage.
@@j.g.mcbell9494 Nope, the vast majority of them will take construction jobs, unskilled because they took cake classes in college to keep their grades high enough.
You obviously want to believe what you say, but the reality is different.
I had family involved in college sports, I was also in college sports for three years. I saw what happened, from the inside.
These guys played their sports since they were little kids. They keep playing as long as they can, because they know very little else. When they graduate (if they graduate), they have such a poor academic degree they cannot get skilled work. So they hope the "highway department" is hiring when they leave school.
I went to Fort Lewis College in Durango, CO. Their football team plays out of Ray Dennison Memorial Field. I later found out that Ray Dennison was a football player that died on the field. The NCAA coined the term "student athlete" to avoid compensating his family.
Woah
Any source on that, or are we just to take that anecdotal sounding statement as a fact?
@@chrisjohns4461 These are just two of them.
@@chrisjohns4461 look up ray Dennison football there should be an article from the durango herald on it
That is just pathetic and sad and once again shows that the NCAA is a joke
This is a step forward and I agree why is it only limited to Scholorships when schools are making all that money
But do you really think these schools are just stockpiling all this money in a basement? You do realize that mens NCAA basketball & football revenue support all other sports & the scholarships of those players? Mens and women's volleyball, water polo, track & field, golf, etc. Those sports are not money makers, yet the school needs to pay scholarships for these sports, as well as housing, food, trainers and coaches, nutritionists, surgeries when players are injured. The costs for all of that for every sport is astronomical.
@@noahsilon4630 that does not need to take from players pay. How is it their fault that other sports don’t produce income
@@noahsilon4630 That isn't how money works revenue from one thing doesn't get piped to another it all goes into 1 pile then gets split up, players like any employee should get a slice of the split. Any player payments would hurt colleges profits, any cuts to college spending in order to support player payment will come across the whole institution not just the sports.
@@noahsilon4630 let’s not forget, sky high salaries for the coaches and staff, world class facilities for football, et al. And all the other treats that go into making it pretty for the camera’s. The players need to be paid. End of story. The gravy train is over for colleges.
@@francisaugistino701 Is correct and judging by the Unanimous ruling and the opinions of the court it won't be long till they They tell the NCAA they have to allow athletes to make money
Division I football is the minor league for the NFL. The players should receive pay, healthcare, and some sort of pension.
Yup. These kids are bringing in millionsssss of dollars. If they get hurt or injured and can’t make it to the nfl, they get NOTHING. No future or carrier. All while the NCAA capitalized off the players hard work. These kids should get paid more than just a scholarship. Especially with how much revenue they generate. And they also should be able to make money off their NIL. That’s a whole over issue I get fired up about
@@Angela-219 Absolutely. Having their images on video games and not seeing a dime is wrong.
Especially should be getting worker compensation
@@Angela-219 they actually do get compensated if they get hurt. That was brought up in the Supreme court case. One of the Justices.came across the fact that the NCAA takes out insurance on some of the highest performing football and basketball players who have a future of making alot of money going pro and if they get severely injured, the NCAA gives them some of the insurance money. When explained how this insurance works, the justices reply was "that sounds alot like pay to play to me" lol
Damn this whole fight is better than an Avengers movie rn
Supreme Court justices unite lol
I remember hearing on ESPN sometime ago that if you were a school and were providing breakfast to your team while on the road. You could give the players a bagel but if you gave them cream cheese to go with it. That wouldve been an NCAA violation.
I could buy my own cream cheese
@@glocklesnar713 Oh really? Well, you do know you're a full-time Student Athlete, right? Where did you get money to buy the cream cheese? Did you possibly give any of your cream cheese to your teammates?
Separate the NCAA and university system. It’s a professional league and should not be paying players while demanding $60k a year in tuition from actual students
I agree so get rid of scholarships and pay them so they can use their own pay checks to pay for college.
@@russellhoule1176 Why? Most of them dont go to class or work themselves anyways. Even at the better schools. UNC got caught making up fake classes for athletes, and they certainly werent the only ones.
@@russellhoule1176 only problem with that is most school need there to players more then the top players needs the school somebody will pay that tuition for a chance at a 5 star player
Thats a stupid idea
This is literally how almost every other sport outside the US works
Everyone gonna be driving to their internships at the campus gym as a card swiper in dodge hellcats
The schools can just offer recruits paid internterships to play football.
Football isn't considered an educational job. It's an extracoricular sport. The internship would have to be marketing, business, PT something like that. It can be related, but not the sport itself.
This whole situation may turn into the power 5’s for football leaving the NCAA completely and creating their own league tbh
@@ifunk79 Any lawyer worth their salary will be able to make a judge believe football internships are education related
@@camjohnson5517 No, they (power schools) benefit the greatest from this ruling; they will stay in the NCAA, it's the mid-level and small colleges who will drop sports and leave the NCAA. Fans will see that even more talent is going to the power schools, and who wants to watch bad teams play at the smaller places? Revenue will fall, and smaller schools will be forced to drop many sports.
@Jimmy T yes, many janitor jobs need to be filled to clean up the stadium after games
Thank God. They overreach so much.When I was playing in college it was against NCAA rules to take part in Fantasy Football! It’s against the rules to drink sodas as a college athlete…
I’ll take things that aren’t true for $100 Alex
@@justinbt it’s against NCAA rules for any athlete to consume 15 mcg/ml of caffeine before games. But nobody listens to that bs
@@tywedekind2807 that’s not what you originally said…
You made an inflammatory statement. Not a statement a REAL college athlete would try to make. All for TH-cam likes.
I wrestled D2 btw :(
But thanks for trying high school lacrosse athlete.
So now I’ll take “Things that still didn’t happen”for $200… Alex
Also I like your edit lol. Don’t backtrack cutie.
@@justinbt it’s the truth. I play D1 ball at Indiana State. Every player signs a big ass packet of paperwork explaining everything we can’t do the first day of camp. Scholarship athletes legally can’t gamble or hold a job during school.
They will expand the playoff and pay them just off that money they make.
An still turn massive profits for themselves an the school's.
Round of 64 college football playoffs March Madness style lol
@@josegurrola9021 that would be awesome, Vegas would be pumped...
@@josegurrola9021 every level of college football does it outside of FBS bruh. The FCS playoffs is raw ash as a result.
As a former college athlete I would really like to see the NC-Double A-holes treat athletes fairly. I was a member of the US Army (former enlisted soldier sent to college to become and officer, Green to Gold Program). During college career as a wrestler and had to justify my membership in the US Army and my income as a soldier. Athletes are NOT allowed to have a job, not allowed to take help of any kind outside their scholarship, and so many complicated rules that none of us could fathom. No respect for the NCAA AT ALL! Time they are held accountable!
Bama players about to make 6-figures as ‘Education Interns’
I'm fine with that, I seriously am I got zero issues with that.
This dude was great as the Attorney , I mean lawyer, for Pied Piper in Silicone Valley
Higher tuition for college will be the end result of this.
There’s a 10 year old article in Atlantic monthly by Taylor branch about the ncaa that covers its origins. It’s a great read that is worth the time, and I highly recommend it to all.
The slow pan out while pat was under the desk was priceless 🤣
Kavanaugh is actually saying that the NCAA better take care of it starting now, on their own, because when it comes back they will have to pay.
Get your popcorn ready my friend for wild ride were about to get on
This may be irrelevant, but does this mean that they can’t tell D3 schools that they can’t give scholarships, etc? That’s a large pool of “student-athletes” that receive no support.
Not to mention, when ALL the money made for likeness, must be spread over ALL athletic programs, cause women's field hockey don't sell jerseys like the MEN'S football and basketball programs!
i would argue that the “nowhere else in america do businesses get away with not paying a fair market rate on the basis that they are defined by not paying said rate” is wrong because restaurant workers aren’t payed fairly by employees on the basis that tips exist, meaning the owner uses the customer paying a meaningless additional fee as an excuse to not pay the employees a fair wage.
I agree and this is why it will end.
@@randombutrelevant the point you are making is logically nonsensical. by that logic, no one would be payed fairly unless you were a special forces operator. waiters are payed less than minimum wage exclusively so the business doesn’t have to pay reasonable money to their employees, instead opting to force the customer to purchase both food and good service, when it should be automatic. it would appear that you’d like to pay for a car salesman to not curse at you, or perhaps you’d like an additional fee to ensure next time you purchase furniture, it doesn’t have stains on it? no? that should be automatic? shocking observation. and, just in case you made it this far, here’s a little tidbit about me, i am actively on a football team. just because you don’t understand economics doesn’t mean you get to make nonsensical metaphors.
How do we get around paying our “student athletes”? -Eric cartman
About damn time!!!!
Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate," Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh wrote. "It is not evident why college sports should be any different. The NCAA is not above the law."
unpopular opinion here. I think when people talk about the money generated by the ncaa they typically exaggerate the total because they don't consider that same money gets divided and redistributed to their school to cover the cost of that program that's more likely operating at a net loss.
Second unpopular opinion. I really think the scope of the impact is being neglected for the short term goals. Like how nobodys considering how the IRS will get theirs
So how are they going to pay all college players the same salary? Knowing The Woman’s left handed table hacky sack team must make the same as the football team.
It would have to be then being able to go seek compensation but also base it on revenue the sport brings in
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Pat McAfee pulled out Eddie Lacys daily football snack 5:32
Let NCAA players make money off their image, simple
they are student athletes they are their to get an education not sports
@@JonathanRodriguez-hw3iy Then there should be no playoffs, back to the AP crowning the National champion and TV deals should go out the window.
They will already get that with NIL coming up. They also need to be payed a portion of the TV deal. If we look at the SEC, for example, each student should be making at least 100k to 150k per year, not including bonuses for bowl games and playoff games. Subtract the cost of a scholarship, puts them at 40k to 110k per year depending on the school, and that would still allow each of the schools to subsidize each of their coaches 5 million, and doesn't include any other revenue the program makes.
They want to put the kids in harms way 'for a fair champ' then they need to pay them. Period.
@@travissullivan6575 the school pays them a scholarship, that's all the schools should pay them to me (and healthcare obviously). But they never should've took away their ability to make money off their NIL
If a student athlete gets paid to play a sport then can they say that they are professional in that sport and not an amateur?
We keep hearing about the NCAA. But Who Are They??? I want to see some photos, proof of who they are!!!!
I made up a word
“Cgapism”: The random act of troy polamalu lining up in the C gap unknowingly ruining a great Pat mcafee play
I wonder what is going to mean for teams like Ohio state and Alabama. There is no industry or money in those states, so how can you beat someone like USC’s boosters or Stanford’s alumni who can pay your 5 star players directly now? Or Syracuse and the New York market. Feels like middle America flyover country is going to get screwed.
Time to get Blake Lawrence and Adi Kunalic from Opendorse on the Podcast Pat talking about this
Don’t get me wrong, I fully support college athletes being paid but my question is how do you determine that? Like how is it calculated between all the free stuff they already get (tuition, dorm, meals, medical, tutors, etc) would a second string WR at Texas be paid as much as Trevor Lawrence? Like I said, I support athletes being compensated cause after all they’re the ones that bring a lot to money in, but how will it be calculated?
Yo! good point. i am concerned as well but there’s a way how they calculate it and it’s basically off of how good you are, plus how much you financial aid you get.
Brett Kavanugh. Ill never forget what Dems tried doing to him and his family.
Can you explain?
@@xthaking Yeah making up false allegations to ruin some ones career because you dont align yourself with their political beliefs. Media was a large part of it too. Then they dont follow up on the same people when they said they were lying about it LOL. How convenient
@@xthaking they said he raped a women and made up all these lies to prevent him from becoming a justice, even though the guy is amazing! And now he is helping the black community beyond belief!
These were not false allegations...they were very real and the only reason he was confirmed was that Republicans refused to listen to his accuser
Love democrats
The NCAA is worried about 2 tier system? Who wants to tell them about Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio State and LSU?
Pat's imitation of Mark Emmert is 1000% accurate "AMATEURISM"
Always felt like college athletes should be paid even if it’s just hourly pay with workout bonuses and incentives for the longer and extra work done. When is a college supposed to get a job and work during the practices and film study on top of school and homework.
Question 🙋🏻♂️ only college football makes money and most of that revenue also goes to fund all other sports. Women’s basketball, volleyball, baseball etc etc. Will paying football players mean the end of other athletic programs within an institution?
Unlikely. People assume that paid NCAA means that 1. All money comes from the school and school budgets are super tight 2. All the college football player (or basketball players) would be paid similar rate to a pro athlete. This is not the case schools make lots of money and having a diverse campus (including a variety of athletic opportunities) is a big part what makes colleges destinations for perspective students. Now it’s likely football players would make more because the sport brings in more money (the phrase fair market rate is key) but the school itself will likely not be the real big source of money for say the next Trevor Lawrence that will likely be from endorsements and such. If most if these schools have the money to make coaches the highest paid statewide employee they have the money to fund their other sports programs. Also things like title 9 exist which could come into play.
Most those other kids (outside of football and Womans/mens basketball) have to pay for their school anyways. Check out scholarship limits. The money from the revenue sports goes to administration.
How much does a college education cost? If youre not good enough to go pro then you ARE in fact getting paid and if you leave earlyto go pro then you should have to pay BACK the college for years you were there
This is huge
the only people who don't want it to change are the ones profiting
Dayum pat. What a great interview. Props
The PMS show is my fav
NCAA profited off of student-athletes. NCAA should be the one responsible for paying student-athletes education/meals/stipend/etc
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Instead, college students pay an enormous tuition to pay for student-athlete education housing etc. college students do not profit off of college athletes.
Hopefully the consequence of this ruling leads to a reevaluation of the third parties (students) that are most affected yet the least regarded.
NCAA is a non-profit organization.
It reminds me soo much of south park.....your slav....athletes
"student ath-o-letes" 😉
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Hahahaha that was hilarious
At least let the players make money off their name and likeness. When the schools have to pay, which they should be, the issue will be Title IX. Will a female rowing athlete have to be paid the same amount as a Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields?
They should end scholarships and make every student pay. Good at sports or not. Who cares?!
Is this why there was so much outrage about Kavanagh getting in? I mean the ncaa has a lot of pull in a lot if states. The governor of South Dakota tried to fight them but knew if she signed a bill it would mean she would never be able to fight them in court again.
Why did this not get more support from the algorithm
Cancel the NCAA
Not gonna fight universities about tuition costs though 😉
They should step in and help defend the women from these men dressing up as women in the Olympics.
Student athletes going to study abroad won’t actually be practical because they can’t play and be abroad.
Even if college athletes eventually get paid, right now universities are still going to find ways to funnel money under the table to 5 star recruits
How many people think there's more than 50 profitable universities?
i went to make a plate of bbq come back pats under the table s yelling this is why this is the best show ever
Pat lookin like he been hitting those weights with Vinny Mac and WWE crew
No sports in collage!!!
GET YOUR POPCORN, GET YOUR POPCORN HERE 🍿🍿👀
First, love pat and the boys, keep it up!
Step in the right direction but still a long road ahead 💯
Free education, no student debt. Stop your whining and play the game.
Half of an already get paid. Boosters like. U go to a poor as school live in the hood then show up to college in a escalade
Let the free market reign, if a college wants to pay a player then so be it. If Bama wants to pay a top tier HS QB $150k a year (or w/e number) + free education awesome I do not care. Colleges don't want that, because right now its cheap to get talent.
Two tiered system... Can you name all D1 conferences. Probably not. The only top tier conferences are the power 5. So what are they worried about. There is no even playing field. Pay the players.
Does the educational related count toward food? I felt sad every time I heard from a player after turning pro, saying they were hungry, or had to eat cheap junk food as a student athlete because they didn't have money (to support 5000 calories per day burn rate).
So how would this affect major junior hockey players coming into the NCAA?
4:10
"Who knew"
Anyone who didn't watch CNN or MSNBC...
I definitely agree with pay to play.
I feel like this is a catch 22. Ncaa has been screwing over millions of kids but I don’t know how these kids will handle money and people trying to take advantage of them
* This will also lead to the closing down of certain programs within 100+ colleges though.
Now the federal government can profit off this I mean if an athlete makes a couple of grand they paying taxes Uncle Sam is getting a cut no doubt.
Make them pay salaries and your losing every single d3 and d2 team and nearly every d1 team, it's an entirely optional thing to play for the team
Good. I can’t wait for them to actually get paid. Eff the NCAA
It's about time, all the money everybody else is making from all these kids.
Let’s fuckinh hoood Supreme Court
"Student Athlete" not "amateurism" is what they made up.
Ofc a lot of the comments are just "team red" vs "team blue"
Percentage of gate money split evenly among ALL players might be the simplest. Or TV revenue. But split it among all players in the NCAA. If you want to pay more to your players? Reduce the rosters. BUT! Players need to give up the scholarships or opt out of the pay system. Just a thought…..
If ur selling my jersey I get an interest rate that would stop backdoor deals.
Hope this means it becomes like the ohl and not just even more pay to win for these big schools.
I love the title of this video because it proves pretty definitively that the masses have no idea what the Supreme Court actually is or what it does 😂
yall act like there is ever more then 10-12 potential playoff teams outta the 10,000+. Those big schools still pay the players, this just makes it above board.
If this happens say goodbye to full ride scholarships for athletics bye-bye gone baby gone some schools could do away with their sports programs all together and become academic colleges only
The scholarship is compensation
Make it simple. Don't allow teams to pay certain players more. It's this much for each position and that's that. That way you can't recruit via Dolla Dolla bills y'all.
Athletic scholarships are an oxymoron. Split sports from education. Make college football an NFL development league with association to schools.
Pat has no idea how the court system works hahaha
Love pat for calling ish out. Basketball and football shutdown, it's over. I believe the nfl squeeze in and make a minor league.
The NCAA says it’s okay that I a 100 pound, 5’2 female athlete can be beat by a 6’1 230 pound “woman” on the weightlifting, LaCrosse, Soccer and gymnastics fields.
That:
“You’re not training hard enough to beat that “woman”.
So I say EFF! The NCAA.
The Ty Schmitism is through the roof here
LOOLLL Don’t defend Goodell like he’s some saint. Guys a HUGE stooge and you all know it.
This is going to be a fiasco!
Food, medical nutrient supplements are all related to education...