Floating thumb vs planted thumb is a personal choice, lots of people float it and it doesn't affect their rhythm at all. I plant myself but it's not required.
Yup, I remember seeing a video from Mike Iverson where he talks about how he mostly uses a floating thumb. I personally lean towards sinking it in on every beat, and I think for beginners it builds a great rhythmic foundation.
Totally subjective, of course, but I think planted vs floating thumb affects tone in a major way. When you plant, it deadens the string and stops the sustained ringing. To me that's a big part of the rhythmic contribution of thumbing the 5th string. Creates a bit of a percussive element that gives the drone string a bit more depth, especially at speed, in terms of what in contributes to the OT banjo sound. I think Allison DeGroot is a great example of this. When you listen to her play, it sounds like there's a percussion accompaniment playing along. Whether or not you want that is definitely a personal choice, but I think it's an important aspect of the planted technique that I never see discussed.
@@mikeelmo8532 Great point! I tend to think of the 5th string as a percussive element, but I hadn't really considered what makes it that way. Great post and thank you!
This is the video that I’ve been waiting for since I started 3 months ago. Thank you so much for concentrating on this one subject which seems to be under emphasised elsewhere.
this is legit a great vid for clawhammer. i wasn't digging in on the fifth string i just learned and thats why the volume wasnt there. thanks for this.
The problem with digging in is if or when you play nylon strings you will push the above string into the below string and mute the latter. You have to develop both ways. Also ones playing will sound the same without different attack skills. The only thing I caution against is flicking on any string. Also if you roll your thumb out as you end the ditty it sounds the string automatically.
Yeah, eventually you will want to learn to back off, that's a great point. I do think it's easier to learn to back off later than it is to try to establish a more aggressive thumb pluck later.
Yeah man! I’ve been playing for a while with a monkey-see-monkey-do song based approach. Also playing by ear and not reliant on tab which is great, but I realized I rushed through some of the basics doing this. So glad I found your channel man, with videos like this one you’re gonna set me right back on track, thank you!
I’m so glad it was helpful! And it sounds like you’re on the right track. Most of the time, folks struggle with reliance on tab so that’s great if you’re playing by ear!
Its funny you say play the 5th string loud. I can't tell you how many times Ive heard fiddle players complain about too much 5th string. Well, one in particular, but shes a fiddle instructor in Mountain View AR, so many of the fiddle players in the pickin park are or were her students, so I guess thry in turn end up with her sentiment about the 5th string. This woman is the mother of a fairly accomplished banjo player who works for the GO Opry along with many other things, so I kinda took her yapping to heart.
Interesting! To be fair, I'm thinking more of a non-jam situation I think really sounds good with the loud 5th string. It's good to be able to back off a bit when necessary. But I think it's way easier to learn to play it loud and back off than it is to try to put on the volume later.
@BanjoSkills I agree with you. I'm just stating what this woman had to say and all her minions...lol. I never cared for her much and think it may be a reason for her to yap at people. The family does have credentials like I stated, but it is what it is. When I heard you say that, my next thought was her voice yapping at banjo players...lol
Respect the claw!!! Thanks for these tips! I've been playing for about a year, and I think I've already fallen pray to a few of these (probably all). I promise from now on to respect the integrity of the claw.😆🤣😆 Subscribing!
You're welcome! We all fall into bad habits sometimes, but even just being aware of what to watch out for makes them way easier to correct. Best of luck and respect the claw! 🤣
Absolutely! These things are the nit-picky things and you can still sound great without it. These are just some things that I feel like have helped my rhythm and tone.
Thank you man ! Great lesson !! Dude be so awesome if you could do a rocky island cover from Ralph Stanley ! There’s not a good one out there ! Been wanting to learn that for a while
Hey I'm glad it was helpful! If you notice these habits in your playing, drilling with a metronome for a few minutes at the top of you practice session will help a ton. And it will make you more aware of those things as you play.
Hi love this video, helped me trouble shoot my beginner playing. Question - I am looking for some "non-traditional' songs that I can learn and sing along and play banjo with. Not pop songs but not the same traditional songs. Any suggestions?
Hey Matt, I’m actually running a program on that right now - we’re covering folk, indie folk, classic rock and pop. It’s midway through, but the recordings will be made available in a month or so. If you sign up at banjoskills.com you’ll get an email about it when it’s ready
"Dig-in with the THUMB" !!!!! I HAVE to THANK YOU !!!! Ive been 'clawhammering' a radically 'different' clawhammer style - note-for-note 'melodic', heavily arpeggioed (triplets, etc.). LOTS of bare-naked open string and alternate string pulloffs), highly 'ornamented' CELTIC music (Cape Breton and "Quebecois/Bretonic" style usually played at 100-115 bpm) for well over 50+years (~20 yrs. prior to that on 3 finger, etc.) .... I avoid 'bumpity strum' at all costs and 'substitute' with heavily accented downbeat strokes .... VERY DIFFERENT from the typical 'clawhammer''. I have to tell you that after watching your video ... a BELL WENT OFF in my brain ...; and, instantly my music RETURNED to more 'clear' , less 'muddy' and with more consistent volume and without distortion .... all because I somehow over the years somehow lessened the ''*digging-in with my thumb*' (used on all FIVE strings !!!). Because of my developed style, I only use the tip of my thumb, due to the quite HIGH BPM speed I normally play. However, THE RETURN TO 'Diggiing in With The Thumb' has indeed changed my 'style and output sound' back to what I WANT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU !!!!!! Very best regards. :-))
Every thumb is different but after 60 years I recommend avoiding "digging in" and put the string at the third point of your thumb and then cocking your thumb slightly to pluck it. That allows you to minimize thumb movement and its easier to play up the neck and on the middle strings which is where the real fun begins.
Interesting! Personally, I dig my thumb in on the inner strings as well. I find that helps my rhythm and accuracy. But I don't have 60 years of experience, that's pretty cool! Someone pointed me towards this video which shows a few different approaches th-cam.com/video/yXV4nt1Psck/w-d-xo.html and is really good.
it might should all change with every song and style you do. somtimes the 5th should be silent. and the way you were making the ''plucking motion'' with your thumb is perfect for double shuffle and changing angles can be very important.
For sure, great point. I'm not always sounding the 5th string but I'm planting my thumb there every beat. Some folks do it different, but I find this the easiest way to keep time
I really like the deering goodtime, but lots of folks recommend the entry level GoldTones. Check this video - especially the comments because there's some good discussion on entry level banjos th-cam.com/video/s7YHC5W0nK4/w-d-xo.html just ignore all the people roasting me for forgetting to play the fancy banjo 🤣
Could you do a tutorial for Wildflower Perfume by The Dead Tongues? It's a really nice tune but there isn't any kind of tab or tutorial for it anywhere.
Many people play the thumb pluck far quieter than their index finger strike. So when I say play loud, I mean at a similar volume as your main striking finger.
@@BanjoSkills Gotcha. For me the issue was always that the 5th string was so much louder than the other strings that it would drown them out, especially the 4th string.
I noticed you aren't wearing finger picks in this video. Was that just for the sake of demonstration, or do you not use finger picks? I've been trying to get used to them but am still adjusting.
I don't use them. Since I play primarily clawhammer style, picks aren't used too often - although some players use an artificial nail. Picks are more often seen in fingerpicking styles -- especially bluegrass.
@@BanjoSkills I bought a Deering Good Time II a couple years ago but admittedly have not progressed much in terms of banjo playing. I'm still learning some of the styles. Is clawhammer an approach better suited for old time, folk, perhaps Americana, whereas using fingerpicks is typical for bluegrass?
@@joshua_wherley Yup, exactly! I made a video about this a couple of months ago that might help you th-cam.com/video/9_BED8Kjb1I/w-d-xo.html it goes over the major styles and gives some advice on choosing a good style to start with.
@@BanjoSkillsthanks a bunch, I just watched it and found it helpful! I'm still figuring out how I want to approach the banjo. I mostly play guitar and mandolin but figured once I feel good about where I am there, I want to devote more time to the banjo. Old time and bluegrass are the two styles I like best.
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Floating thumb vs planted thumb is a personal choice, lots of people float it and it doesn't affect their rhythm at all. I plant myself but it's not required.
Yup, I remember seeing a video from Mike Iverson where he talks about how he mostly uses a floating thumb. I personally lean towards sinking it in on every beat, and I think for beginners it builds a great rhythmic foundation.
Totally subjective, of course, but I think planted vs floating thumb affects tone in a major way. When you plant, it deadens the string and stops the sustained ringing. To me that's a big part of the rhythmic contribution of thumbing the 5th string. Creates a bit of a percussive element that gives the drone string a bit more depth, especially at speed, in terms of what in contributes to the OT banjo sound. I think Allison DeGroot is a great example of this. When you listen to her play, it sounds like there's a percussion accompaniment playing along. Whether or not you want that is definitely a personal choice, but I think it's an important aspect of the planted technique that I never see discussed.
@@mikeelmo8532 Great point! I tend to think of the 5th string as a percussive element, but I hadn't really considered what makes it that way. Great post and thank you!
This is the video that I’ve been waiting for since I started 3 months ago. Thank you so much for concentrating on this one subject which seems to be under emphasised elsewhere.
I'm so glad it was helpful!
this is legit a great vid for clawhammer. i wasn't digging in on the fifth string i just learned and thats why the volume wasnt there. thanks for this.
Glad it helped!
learning that I should be digging into the fifth string is a game changer
Thanks. Really useful. Have always struggled to get clawhammer even half right until I saw your vid.
Best Wishes,
Black Jake of Norwich, England.
Hey I'm so glad it helped!
The problem with digging in is if or when you play nylon strings you will push the above string into the below string and mute the latter. You have to develop both ways. Also ones playing will sound the same without different attack skills. The only thing I caution against is flicking on any string. Also if you roll your thumb out as you end the ditty it sounds the string automatically.
Yeah, eventually you will want to learn to back off, that's a great point. I do think it's easier to learn to back off later than it is to try to establish a more aggressive thumb pluck later.
Thank you! I was making all three mistakes, especially the last one. I’m slowly breaking them now…
I’m glad it was helpful! I’ve found just regularly spending a few minutes really helps long term.
Yeah man! I’ve been playing for a while with a monkey-see-monkey-do song based approach. Also playing by ear and not reliant on tab which is great, but I realized I rushed through some of the basics doing this. So glad I found your channel man, with videos like this one you’re gonna set me right back on track, thank you!
I’m so glad it was helpful! And it sounds like you’re on the right track. Most of the time, folks struggle with reliance on tab so that’s great if you’re playing by ear!
Its funny you say play the 5th string loud. I can't tell you how many times Ive heard fiddle players complain about too much 5th string. Well, one in particular, but shes a fiddle instructor in Mountain View AR, so many of the fiddle players in the pickin park are or were her students, so I guess thry in turn end up with her sentiment about the 5th string.
This woman is the mother of a fairly accomplished banjo player who works for the GO Opry along with many other things, so I kinda took her yapping to heart.
Interesting! To be fair, I'm thinking more of a non-jam situation I think really sounds good with the loud 5th string. It's good to be able to back off a bit when necessary. But I think it's way easier to learn to play it loud and back off than it is to try to put on the volume later.
@BanjoSkills I agree with you. I'm just stating what this woman had to say and all her minions...lol. I never cared for her much and think it may be a reason for her to yap at people. The family does have credentials like I stated, but it is what it is.
When I heard you say that, my next thought was her voice yapping at banjo players...lol
I've also heard people say to not play the fifth string too loud so I was surprised to hear that.
Thank you for these tips. I have just found your channel and subscribed.
I would love to learn "I am the man Thomas". 😊
Thanks so much! I’m always happy to do a Ralph Stanley tune 😁
Respect the claw!!! Thanks for these tips! I've been playing for about a year, and I think I've already fallen pray to a few of these (probably all). I promise from now on to respect the integrity of the claw.😆🤣😆 Subscribing!
You're welcome! We all fall into bad habits sometimes, but even just being aware of what to watch out for makes them way easier to correct. Best of luck and respect the claw! 🤣
Man I think it all sounds good no matter how you pick it with a thumb or without the thumb when you strap on a banjo it just sounds good 👍
Absolutely! These things are the nit-picky things and you can still sound great without it. These are just some things that I feel like have helped my rhythm and tone.
Thank you man ! Great lesson !!
Dude be so awesome if you could do a rocky island cover from Ralph Stanley ! There’s not a good one out there ! Been wanting to learn that for a while
I'm so glad you enjoyed it! Rocky Island is a great idea! Really great song. I'll see what I can do
Great tips. I hope I’ve caught myself early enough.
Hey I'm glad it was helpful! If you notice these habits in your playing, drilling with a metronome for a few minutes at the top of you practice session will help a ton. And it will make you more aware of those things as you play.
Very Helpful video ❤❤ thanks a lot.
You're welcome 😊
Really valuable information well presented. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Tha'ts good stuff. I still have trouble with the claw; but this helps.
Great to hear! I’m glad it was helpful
This was really helpful
I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
Good video, thanks! Liked and subscribed 🪕
Now I never had a proper lesson I just picked it up. Never had I ever had these problems or mistakes.
Hi love this video, helped me trouble shoot my beginner playing. Question - I am looking for some "non-traditional' songs that I can learn and sing along and play banjo with. Not pop songs but not the same traditional songs. Any suggestions?
Hey Matt, I’m actually running a program on that right now - we’re covering folk, indie folk, classic rock and pop. It’s midway through, but the recordings will be made available in a month or so. If you sign up at banjoskills.com you’ll get an email about it when it’s ready
Norwegian Wood by the beatles
"Dig-in with the THUMB" !!!!! I HAVE to THANK YOU !!!!
Ive been 'clawhammering' a radically 'different' clawhammer style - note-for-note 'melodic', heavily arpeggioed (triplets, etc.). LOTS of bare-naked open string and alternate string pulloffs), highly 'ornamented' CELTIC music (Cape Breton and "Quebecois/Bretonic" style usually played at 100-115 bpm) for well over 50+years (~20 yrs. prior to that on 3 finger, etc.) .... I avoid 'bumpity strum' at all costs and 'substitute' with heavily accented downbeat strokes .... VERY DIFFERENT from the typical 'clawhammer''.
I have to tell you that after watching your video ... a BELL WENT OFF in my brain ...; and, instantly my music RETURNED to more 'clear' , less 'muddy' and with more consistent volume and without distortion .... all because I somehow over the years somehow lessened the ''*digging-in with my thumb*' (used on all FIVE strings !!!). Because of my developed style, I only use the tip of my thumb, due to the quite HIGH BPM speed I normally play. However, THE RETURN TO 'Diggiing in With The Thumb' has indeed changed my 'style and output sound' back to what I WANT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU !!!!!! Very best regards. :-))
I’m so glad it was helpful for you! Thanks for your kind words
Every thumb is different but after 60 years I recommend avoiding "digging in" and put the string at the third point of your thumb and then cocking your thumb slightly to pluck it. That allows you to minimize thumb movement and its easier to play up the neck and on the middle strings which is where the real fun begins.
Interesting! Personally, I dig my thumb in on the inner strings as well. I find that helps my rhythm and accuracy. But I don't have 60 years of experience, that's pretty cool! Someone pointed me towards this video which shows a few different approaches th-cam.com/video/yXV4nt1Psck/w-d-xo.html and is really good.
Do you have videos of playing like that?
Can you claw hammer with the lowest bridge.. say 1/2,inch ? Can you you sufficiently get your thumb under the fifth string?
I would imagine so, but it would make it tougher for sure. I've tried a few over the years, but I always end up with a higher bridge.
Brilliant, had to sub , cheers from New Zealand
Thanks so much and I'm glad you enjoyed it!
it might should all change with every song and style you do. somtimes the 5th should be silent. and the way you were making the ''plucking motion'' with your thumb is perfect for double shuffle and changing angles can be very important.
For sure, great point. I'm not always sounding the 5th string but I'm planting my thumb there every beat. Some folks do it different, but I find this the easiest way to keep time
What's a good banjo to start off with? I'm wanting to learn this so bad I've played the mandolin for years
I really like the deering goodtime, but lots of folks recommend the entry level GoldTones. Check this video - especially the comments because there's some good discussion on entry level banjos th-cam.com/video/s7YHC5W0nK4/w-d-xo.html just ignore all the people roasting me for forgetting to play the fancy banjo 🤣
Is there a wrong way to play a folk instrument with many variants?
Absolutely not
No, there isn't. But there is harder ways. And you're just making it harder on yourself with these
Could you do a tutorial for Wildflower Perfume by The Dead Tongues? It's a really nice tune but there isn't any kind of tab or tutorial for it anywhere.
First time I've heard that - looks like a fun song to play! I'm working on a few songs at the moment, but I'll see if I can figure this one out.
#2 kind of contradicted itself. "Make your thumb pluck loud" vs "make your thumb pluck about the same volume as your index finger strike".
Many people play the thumb pluck far quieter than their index finger strike. So when I say play loud, I mean at a similar volume as your main striking finger.
@@BanjoSkills Gotcha. For me the issue was always that the 5th string was so much louder than the other strings that it would drown them out, especially the 4th string.
What if my big fat thumb does not quite fit under or between the strings?
The string doesn’t have to be totally in the middle of your thumb, whatever purchase you can get should work!
taller bridge make it out of a nice hard wood i use spalted pecan.
I noticed you aren't wearing finger picks in this video. Was that just for the sake of demonstration, or do you not use finger picks? I've been trying to get used to them but am still adjusting.
I don't use them. Since I play primarily clawhammer style, picks aren't used too often - although some players use an artificial nail. Picks are more often seen in fingerpicking styles -- especially bluegrass.
@@BanjoSkills I bought a Deering Good Time II a couple years ago but admittedly have not progressed much in terms of banjo playing. I'm still learning some of the styles. Is clawhammer an approach better suited for old time, folk, perhaps Americana, whereas using fingerpicks is typical for bluegrass?
@@joshua_wherley Yup, exactly! I made a video about this a couple of months ago that might help you th-cam.com/video/9_BED8Kjb1I/w-d-xo.html it goes over the major styles and gives some advice on choosing a good style to start with.
@@BanjoSkillsthanks a bunch, I just watched it and found it helpful! I'm still figuring out how I want to approach the banjo. I mostly play guitar and mandolin but figured once I feel good about where I am there, I want to devote more time to the banjo. Old time and bluegrass are the two styles I like best.
I’m scared the 5th will break if I dig in .
Can you whiskey in the jar please
Fantastic idea! I’ll see what I can do
Thank you
Awesome. Now do punk rock girl. Dead milkmen.😂
That was very helpful.Thank you . Off to unlearn a bunch of stuff.
That's great to hear! Good luck unlearning 😂
Meh