Had to jump forward in time for this one, the title caught my attention. Being an LMS person, 1936 to be exact, and using the code of the period, I always end up translating into BR coding, but I will sort it eventually, just practice. Thanks so much for this episode.
The letter G means Gangway and was only used on full brakes with a corridor connection. EX-LMS Stanier full brakes that lost their gangways were just B. K means a coach with a corridor and the gangway connector. GUV that were gangway fitted like the BR Mk1 GUVs used for newspaper packing were never telegraph coded as having a gangway, although they did get their own TOPS Code. Only the full brakes got the coded as BG as they ran with passenger stock on a regular basis unlike all other parcels vehicles. Yes, there were services that ran with a TPO section robots of Van's, but these are the exceptions rather than the norm. Z meant 6 wheels and Y meant 4 wheels.
@@yarslowmodelrailway1 the LNER Society Journal for Summer 2013 has the full list of the LNER telegraph codes for codes including such details as the gangway type (ie Pullman or British Standard) or brake types. Looking at the LNER's list, which BR adopted I 5hink they chose K for corridor to avoid sending repeated letters for a single vehicle. They were successful for all but 1 coach type, the Tourist (a word later used by BR) Twin Third which had the basic coach code of TT to which would be the extra details such as the gangway type. The only differences I can see between the LNER and BR codes is G went from meaning Locker to meaning Gangway and the X and Y to denote 6 and 4 wheel vehicles when first in LNER version making a 6 wheeled saloon third XST in the LNER version and STX in the BR one. The full telegraph code for a Corridor Brake Third with Lavatory and Pullman Vestibules in LNER days would be BTKLPV. Added to this would be numbers in brackets to identify the numbers of First and Third class compartments or the number of seats.
It depends which part of the country to review! The LNER used K for corridor and so the telegraph code for a brake composite corridor coach with a lavatory was originally a BCKL. Eventually these were shorte ned to just BCK when lavatories became more common. C couldn't be used for corridor because ot meant composite. All depends on your area and era.
Had to jump forward in time for this one, the title caught my attention. Being an LMS person, 1936 to be exact, and using the code of the period, I always end up translating into BR coding, but I will sort it eventually, just practice.
Thanks so much for this episode.
The Big Four had a much wider range of descriptions. Generally, "S" becomes "T" for most general stock (second was third)
The letter G means Gangway and was only used on full brakes with a corridor connection. EX-LMS Stanier full brakes that lost their gangways were just B. K means a coach with a corridor and the gangway connector. GUV that were gangway fitted like the BR Mk1 GUVs used for newspaper packing were never telegraph coded as having a gangway, although they did get their own TOPS Code. Only the full brakes got the coded as BG as they ran with passenger stock on a regular basis unlike all other parcels vehicles. Yes, there were services that ran with a TPO section robots of Van's, but these are the exceptions rather than the norm.
Z meant 6 wheels and Y meant 4 wheels.
..but I still can't find out why they used the letter "k". :-(
@@yarslowmodelrailway1 the LNER Society Journal for Summer 2013 has the full list of the LNER telegraph codes for codes including such details as the gangway type (ie Pullman or British Standard) or brake types. Looking at the LNER's list, which BR adopted I 5hink they chose K for corridor to avoid sending repeated letters for a single vehicle. They were successful for all but 1 coach type, the Tourist (a word later used by BR) Twin Third which had the basic coach code of TT to which would be the extra details such as the gangway type. The only differences I can see between the LNER and BR codes is G went from meaning Locker to meaning Gangway and the X and Y to denote 6 and 4 wheel vehicles when first in LNER version making a 6 wheeled saloon third XST in the LNER version and STX in the BR one. The full telegraph code for a Corridor Brake Third with Lavatory and Pullman Vestibules in LNER days would be BTKLPV. Added to this would be numbers in brackets to identify the numbers of First and Third class compartments or the number of seats.
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Very helpful ,confusing as you say ,thanks
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k stands for corridor with toilet (from the peter fox books)
Thanks - everyday is a schoolday!!
Unless a Kitchen.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 indeed, but they are a rule to themselves
i think k is a compartment because there are TSOs which of course have no compartments but do have a gangway
It depends which part of the country to review! The LNER used K for corridor and so the telegraph code for a brake composite corridor coach with a lavatory was originally a BCKL. Eventually these were shorte ned to just BCK when lavatories became more common. C couldn't be used for corridor because ot meant composite. All depends on your area and era.
'K' is for 'corridor' as opposed to 'O' for open
Dave - the big question is - why "K"? Perhaps I should have paid more attention in Latin :-)
@@yarslowmodelrailway1 Because C was for 'Composite', can't have two 'c's', confusing! lol Hence BCK, Brake Corridor Composite
Except when the coach is a Kitchen.