The text she mentions is “Péhor,” a short story by the French writer Rémy de Gourmont. Robert Eggers loves research so much he’s practically a folklore scholar who also happens to make movies, so “Péhor” is not the easiest story to find. I expect it’s available online in academic archives, but it’s also appeared in a handful of Symbolist anthologies, among them “The Second Dedulus Book of Decadence: Black Feast.” I spent my whole afternoon trying to track this down because the existence of a book I have not heard of is anxiety-inducing.
No spoilers, or reviews. Lily Rose is THE star of this film. She was incredibly moving and I was actually shocked by the physicality of her role. Enjoy!!!
No spoilers, or reviews. Lily Rose is THE star of this film. She was incredibly moving and I was actually shocked by the physicality of her role. Enjoy!!!
Reading a lot of comments it feels that people are taking the story details too literally. There is such rich symbolism when it comes to dark/light, sexual desire/freedom; love/desire. It’s a story of facing, acknowledging and embracing your shadows versus suppressing it-which leads to being overpowered or feeling “out of control.”
Exactly. When Von Franz pulled Ellen aside at the end of the movie he said something along the lines of "you must find the evil within you in order to execute it before it takes total control". I think this is a great quote that summarizes the meaning of this film.
Like many things in entertainment, it's often open to interpretation. Even if the author or director has a clear intention they want to convey, it don't matter, we can still filter it through our personal lens. You have your version, let others have theirs.
I saw comments mentioning the “you know” filler, I think it’s the American equivalent to the French sounds in conversation to leave room for processing while conveying thoughts … doesn’t take away from Lily’s intelligence and talent
Exactly every language has a filler sound or they repeat a word or something similar. It would be weird for me to just not talk as I gather my thoughts. She obviously is analyzing her character and thinking about the words she is saying. What is the difference between saying “uhhh…” “ummm…” or “like”, “you know”
@ yes!! Some languages filler sounds/words are perceived as more charming than others but it is all just perception. The essence of her message comes through because she allows herself the time and space to speak authentically instead of rushing through and saying something generic. Plus folks commenting have time to type /erase/edit and no pressure of a camera 😂
@havingfunisnthard I do agree with you to a degree. I do believe he prayed upon her no doubt. What I mean by that is she had more power than both of them realized.
I wanna believe she meant that Ellen is not JUST a victim, but also a strong woman who sacrifices herself and overpowers Orlok in the end, but I don't really get her take on this. Ellen absolutely is a victim, she explicitly mentions that when she was a child her father found her naked in the woods after she blacked out due to being "possessed" by Orlok (meaning, after being abused) and that ever since she constantly blacks out and has literal epilepsy because of him, and also remembers nothing that happens during these "attacks". She makes it clear that she just wanted company because she was so lonely and then Orlok started to hurt her, and everything got better after starting a relationship with her husband (which I understood as healing a sexual trauma). Of course, she can be more than a victim, and have a complicated relationship with her own feelings and desires aka also enjoying certain aspects of her relationship with Orlok, but that doesn't change the fact that she literally describes their relationship as a torment that spirals her into depression. It is weird to me that Lily overlooked this entire section of her character's backstory.
It's considered politically incorrect today in films to write a female character who's purpose is to be a victim or damsel in distress. However, that is primarily what Ellen is in this film, whether the cast and crew want to admit it or not. She's even more of a damsel in distress than Mina is in the original Dracula novel. Even when Ellen saves the day in the end, it's still by allowing herself to be victimised.
Uhm, no. You omitted the part she confesses her husband SHE called the demon, and that was the first time the demon came to her life. So on that point Lily finally says something sensible: she summoned it, she had the agency.
I do not know why Lily says Ellen was calling the shots, has a real desire for Orlok and she called out to him. Ellen did not call out to Orlok SPECIFICALLY. This is what she says in the opening scene... "Come to me. Come to me: A guardian angel, a spirit of comfort - spirit of any celestial sphere - anything - hear my call. Come to me." So you can clearly see that Orlok simply was the one to hear her call first and answer it immediately. Also, if Ellen has some form of repressed sexual desires in the beginning as I've heard Lily say in interviews, then Ellen would certainly not have called out for a Guardian Angel or a spirit of comfort, as Orlok is the exact opposite of that. Instead she would have called out for a spirit of sexual desire or lust. If Ellen somehow could have known what Orlok was when he answered her call then she never would have agreed to his 'terms of service', as it were, because she is of pure heart and soul. Unfortunately she did not but quickly found out the error of her ways as she went from soft moans of sexual pleasure to genuine terror as she gets choked by Orlok, thereby revealing his true nature. Even with that example of terror, Ellen does have a sensual attraction to Orlok but that's ONLY because he has possessed her when she agreed to being with him forever in the beginning. Lily makes it sound as if Ellen, when lucid, yearns for Orlok but that simply is not evident on screen or in the script.
Thank you for saying this, they are really pushing the narrative that Ellen was in control for some reason, when like you said, there is no evidence of that in the script or film.
The whole vampire tradition, especially Stoker's Dracula, has a rich history of using the Vampire as a metaphor for exploring repressed sexuality and socially unacceptable desires during the Victorian era. Basically, the metaphorical function of the vampire and its monstrosity is that it brings forth the repressed, often sexual desires, that were considered sinful during the context in which it was written. If you view Orlock similarly, this is the key to Lily's character arc. She is essentially battling between her desire to become the social acceptable version that society expects of her (represented by her love for Thomas) and more her base, socially unacceptable sexuality (represented through her passion for Orlock). Thomas represents proper decorum, while Orlock represents the repressed.
It also revolves around the fear of decolonisation or of the East. And it's kind of present in Egger's take but since Ellen is the protagonist I feel that element is perhaps more subdued in this adaptation.
In one scene she says to Nosferatu that she was a child, so she has been having these interactions with this entity for a while. How can she not be a victim?
Exactly! I think Lily just has trouble accepting that women can be victims of bad actions... Someone should explain to her that being a victim is not a perpetual state, it can be overcome.
Am really excited to see them all in Nosferatu especially Bill Skarsgard as Nosferatu I can’t wait to see him as Nosferatu also William Dafeo Dafoe Lily Rose Depp and also Emma Corrin as well I love Robert Eggers brilliant director love his films and I can’t wait to see his version of Nosferatu I was a fan of the original Nosferatu and am really looking forward to seeing this one
I find her reading of her own starring role to be remarkably shallow. Of course she's victimised. Even from the standpoint of a reading that says the ultimate arc is empowering, she is repeatedly drugged into unconsciousness, and tied up against her will. She is fed on and killed by a monster of her own making, and even though this is her choice and it represents a kind of "integration of the shadow", that shadow nonetheless kicks her all over the canvas for the majority of the film. "She's empowered" is just lazy, corporate feminism, and the film deserves far better. In the context of her career, her statements become especially troubling. She has been repeatedly excessively sexualised by male directors, not to mention a system that is known to be predatory and exploitative, and that sells objectification in the guise of empowerment. Does she have a need to view the themes of this story through such a lens?
I don't buy that she IS a victim. It's more complex than that- as with most human beings there are a whole range of power dynamics at play. If we go down the route of "women should never play characters who express vulnerability or are victims but instead are always empowered and calling the shots" it makes for terrible art. Emily Blunt says that the phrase that tends to turn her off a new script is "strong female lead". It's about ideology rather than reality: ergo it is bad art.
Your bias is clouding your perspective on the film. She willingly sacrifices herself at the end. By definition that’s not being a victim. You can twist it and say, “she never had a choice to begin with.” But I think that’s just sexism. She had a choice… Everyone almost needs to see women as victims right now, even when they willingly sacrifice themselves for others. It must suck to be an adult woman, whose trying to be taken seriously, when there are feminist dudes declaring they’re only being taken advantage of. Stop the infantilization of women.
In one of the final scenes when facing Orlok She reminds him that she was just a girl when he force on her. So I think Ellen indeed was a victim of a non dead entity even if she has the courage to deal with him.
@@izcote I didn’t see that this had already been answered and spent the better part of thirty minutes trying to find it, before I finally just typed Lily’s description into ChatGPT and it came up with it.
I think the character was still a victim. Nosferatu was persuading her by unaliving people around her and she’s an empathic human and gave in, to save everyone else
she also was the reason he came to the city to begin with. Had she not reached out to the spirits at the beginning of the film, none of that would have ever happened.
So empathetic by insulting her husband and doing the dirty with a creature that put an end to her friends. The original 1922 character was empathetic, not this one.
She calls out to him because she has no choice in the end. Its pretty safe to say that her involuntary spasms, fear and sleepless nights are not of her 'agency'. Shes been haunted since a young age and Orlok can infest her presence whenever he chooses . She is most definitely the victim in the movie for around 90% of the time. But thats the point. She goes from being completely powerless, to having control in the end. Making a claim that her character is not a victim is not the case at all. Theres a literal turning point in the movie where Dafoes character reveals that only she can defeat him, because only she can lure him out with her presence. She goes from being a complete victim, to understanding in the end there's no alternative (spoiler) ... Than to self sacrifice whilst killing him.
Nosferatu is a simple German adoption of Bram Stokers Dracula which had a lot of 19th Century European romance combined with the horror of seeing a loved one transformed into something that has to be destroyed. Victorian romance is all about the traditional love and relationships between men and women not these things Hollywood actors like to talk about.
I really think this is lilys Fresh starting point in her career. She needs to be cast in many more horror movies and especially she needs to be in one of Tim burtons movies. i really see a great future from now on for her if she keeps continuing acting more and picking her roles carefully. I loved her acting on the Idol even if the series was controversial i didn’t rly care bc being an actor means u gotta prove something and she delivered it on that. Nosferatu Unbelievable Gorgeous setting loved her acting even more. She is so cool
People keep commenting things about how she talks, I don't really understand because maybe it's nerves? People just aren't compassionate at all anymore. Everyone can stutter or repeat words when doing a speech, for example. Interviews are public speaking on a grand scale. I would probably do the same.
@@elle7856 if she can learn to read lines, she can learn to speak. It has zero to do with being nervous. It's the vernacular of her generation. It's lazy.
I dont agree with her. Visuasilly this film is amazing but eggers representation of women is a dark thing for me as watcher, in a wrong way. Woman are always extremely thin, beautiful, problematic and useless like Elena in Nosferatu. She prays for an angel and she likes what she gets, how can not be a victim? Orlok is a non dead magical thing using awful technics to push her, i totally disagree with her and directors vision of her character
I didn't think she had that much agency to be honest. Being possessed, toyed with, and manipulated doesn't sound like she's in control at least to me. Sure, sacrificing herself is HER choice but that's ultimately because she didn't really have one.... so. Really, at the end of the day who has the power?
you missed the whole point of movie, Ellen had the power to resist the external evil that orlok represents. She might be influenced to be evil but internally she is not evil, she manipulated orlok into believing he won and kept him busy till sunrise. Her power represents the choices she makes and she sacrificed herself to end orlok and save the city.
@@DocPatriotI never said she was internally evil. And yeah I get she sacrificed herself to save everyone and the town. But that’s largely due to the fact that had she not done that…. Her loved ones and everyone would have died. So while OF COURSE she has a choice to let that happen… it isn’t a great choice leaving her to not really have one other than TO sacrifice herself. When someone puts you between a rock and a hard place that makes me feel quite powerless.
@@bvandyke10 They are reaching quite a bit when they say she had all the power and control--she VERY clearly did not. She was in over her head when she called out to the darkness, she was in over her head when he answered back, and nothing changed until the very end of the film when she keeps him busy till sunrise. I think our society is so wrapped up in notions of "patriarchy" that any little thing becomes some grand symbol of feminine revolution. Its beyond silly and contrived at this point.
@@bvandyke10 I completely get what you're saying, and I've been thinking about these two perspectives about her character, and I think ultimately it is not all one or the other, but somewhere in between. You're right, she is given an ultimatum and has to decide, but at the same time she does not just give in to him submissively, and Orlok does not end up victorious in the end. She uses the choice she's presented to take back some of her agency, and uses it against her oppressor. Ultimately, she has to be courageous enough to keep him with her long enough, the effort of which kills her (and I think she was aware of this future), but she does so knowing it will completely end his power. I characterize it as a tragic but heroic sacrifice.
The story is “Péhor,” by Rémy de Gourmont. It’s not that easy to find but it appears in an English translation in the anthology “The Second Dedulus Book of Decadence,” ed. Brian Stableford. I’ve spent thirty minutes researching this because I can’t stand the idea of a book I haven’t heard of.
The text she mentions is “Péhor,” a short story by the French writer Rémy de Gourmont. Robert Eggers loves research so much he’s practically a folklore scholar who also happens to make movies, so “Péhor” is not the easiest story to find. I expect it’s available online in academic archives, but it’s also appeared in a handful of Symbolist anthologies, among them “The Second Dedulus Book of Decadence: Black Feast.”
I spent my whole afternoon trying to track this down because the existence of a book I have not heard of is anxiety-inducing.
Much appreciated 👏🏼
No spoilers, or reviews. Lily Rose is THE star of this film. She was incredibly moving and I was actually shocked by the physicality of her role. Enjoy!!!
No spoilers, or reviews. Lily Rose is THE star of this film. She was incredibly moving and I was actually shocked by the physicality of her role. Enjoy!!!
I thought she got better as the film went on but initially found her quite theatrical and unbelievable tbh. But she was overall good for sure
Naah is Bill Skarsgård and the world building. The rest of actors are totally mid and replaceable.
Reading a lot of comments it feels that people are taking the story details too literally. There is such rich symbolism when it comes to dark/light, sexual desire/freedom; love/desire. It’s a story of facing, acknowledging and embracing your shadows versus suppressing it-which leads to being overpowered or feeling “out of control.”
Exactly. When Von Franz pulled Ellen aside at the end of the movie he said something along the lines of "you must find the evil within you in order to execute it before it takes total control". I think this is a great quote that summarizes the meaning of this film.
Like many things in entertainment, it's often open to interpretation. Even if the author or director has a clear intention they want to convey, it don't matter, we can still filter it through our personal lens. You have your version, let others have theirs.
Yeah, didn't like that.
Sick of all this "symbolism" Directors are shoehorning into every damn movie these days 😂
@@RDB93 "Sick of this symbolism". Lol. This must simply be a movie about a scary vampire.
@@RDB93 I think that's what storytelling is supposed to be about?
I loved Nosferatu. Beautifully done. Superb acting.
love willem dafoe's active listening skills
There is a lot of that in these interviews as Depp seems to suck all the oxygen out of the room. 😁
I saw comments mentioning the “you know” filler, I think it’s the American equivalent to the French sounds in conversation to leave room for processing while conveying thoughts … doesn’t take away from Lily’s intelligence and talent
Exactly every language has a filler sound or they repeat a word or something similar. It would be weird for me to just not talk as I gather my thoughts. She obviously is analyzing her character and thinking about the words she is saying. What is the difference between saying “uhhh…” “ummm…” or “like”, “you know”
@ yes!! Some languages filler sounds/words are perceived as more charming than others but it is all just perception. The essence of her message comes through because she allows herself the time and space to speak authentically instead of rushing through and saying something generic. Plus folks commenting have time to type /erase/edit and no pressure of a camera 😂
I disagree.
I love how self-aware she is about the character and the fact that they are the big boss in the movie
That’s wishful thinking tbh. There’s no way her character isn’t a victim here.
@havingfunisnthard I do agree with you to a degree. I do believe he prayed upon her no doubt. What I mean by that is she had more power than both of them realized.
Lily-Rose's character, Ellen, exemplifies the adage, "Be careful what you ask for; you might get it."
Yes so true!
I wanna believe she meant that Ellen is not JUST a victim, but also a strong woman who sacrifices herself and overpowers Orlok in the end, but I don't really get her take on this. Ellen absolutely is a victim, she explicitly mentions that when she was a child her father found her naked in the woods after she blacked out due to being "possessed" by Orlok (meaning, after being abused) and that ever since she constantly blacks out and has literal epilepsy because of him, and also remembers nothing that happens during these "attacks". She makes it clear that she just wanted company because she was so lonely and then Orlok started to hurt her, and everything got better after starting a relationship with her husband (which I understood as healing a sexual trauma). Of course, she can be more than a victim, and have a complicated relationship with her own feelings and desires aka also enjoying certain aspects of her relationship with Orlok, but that doesn't change the fact that she literally describes their relationship as a torment that spirals her into depression. It is weird to me that Lily overlooked this entire section of her character's backstory.
It's considered politically incorrect today in films to write a female character who's purpose is to be a victim or damsel in distress. However, that is primarily what Ellen is in this film, whether the cast and crew want to admit it or not. She's even more of a damsel in distress than Mina is in the original Dracula novel. Even when Ellen saves the day in the end, it's still by allowing herself to be victimised.
Uhm, no. You omitted the part she confesses her husband SHE called the demon, and that was the first time the demon came to her life. So on that point Lily finally says something sensible: she summoned it, she had the agency.
Lilly Rose is such a talented, intelligent young woman. She is the opposite of superficial. I am looking forward to her work in future years.
Please, you must be her PR person…..😂
@@emeraldforcier14 You know, HAS to be her PR ... You know?
I do not know why Lily says Ellen was calling the shots, has a real desire for Orlok and she called out to him. Ellen did not call out to Orlok SPECIFICALLY. This is what she says in the opening scene...
"Come to me. Come to me: A guardian angel,
a spirit of comfort - spirit of any
celestial sphere - anything - hear my
call. Come to me."
So you can clearly see that Orlok simply was the one to hear her call first and answer it immediately. Also, if Ellen has some form of repressed sexual desires in the beginning as I've heard Lily say in interviews, then Ellen would certainly not have called out for a Guardian Angel or a spirit of comfort, as Orlok is the exact opposite of that. Instead she would have called out for a spirit of sexual desire or lust. If Ellen somehow could have known what Orlok was when he answered her call then she never would have agreed to his 'terms of service', as it were, because she is of pure heart and soul. Unfortunately she did not but quickly found out the error of her ways as she went from soft moans of sexual pleasure to genuine terror as she gets choked by Orlok, thereby revealing his true nature. Even with that example of terror, Ellen does have a sensual attraction to Orlok but that's ONLY because he has possessed her when she agreed to being with him forever in the beginning. Lily makes it sound as if Ellen, when lucid, yearns for Orlok but that simply is not evident on screen or in the script.
I haven't watched the movie yet but it's interesting to hear the different takes!
Thank you for saying this, they are really pushing the narrative that Ellen was in control for some reason, when like you said, there is no evidence of that in the script or film.
The whole vampire tradition, especially Stoker's Dracula, has a rich history of using the Vampire as a metaphor for exploring repressed sexuality and socially unacceptable desires during the Victorian era. Basically, the metaphorical function of the vampire and its monstrosity is that it brings forth the repressed, often sexual desires, that were considered sinful during the context in which it was written. If you view Orlock similarly, this is the key to Lily's character arc. She is essentially battling between her desire to become the social acceptable version that society expects of her (represented by her love for Thomas) and more her base, socially unacceptable sexuality (represented through her passion for Orlock). Thomas represents proper decorum, while Orlock represents the repressed.
It also revolves around the fear of decolonisation or of the East. And it's kind of present in Egger's take but since Ellen is the protagonist I feel that element is perhaps more subdued in this adaptation.
She's so well spoken
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I counted 32 ya knows lmao
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In one scene she says to Nosferatu that she was a child, so she has been having these interactions with this entity for a while. How can she not be a victim?
Exactly! I think Lily just has trouble accepting that women can be victims of bad actions... Someone should explain to her that being a victim is not a perpetual state, it can be overcome.
Every interview theyve given has been so intriguing. Im adding this to my tbr
Am really excited to see them all in Nosferatu especially Bill Skarsgard as Nosferatu I can’t wait to see him as Nosferatu also William Dafeo Dafoe Lily Rose Depp and also Emma Corrin as well I love Robert Eggers brilliant director love his films and I can’t wait to see his version of Nosferatu I was a fan of the original Nosferatu and am really looking forward to seeing this one
You’ll be disappointed with how little screen time Bill gets
WTF, SHE'S NOT A VICTIM???? bruh Hollywood weird af, beyond the gothic lit etc. there's obvious SA coercion and manipulation
I think she just means that Ellen tries to resist Orlok. She doesn't just despair.
Where can I watch the full interview
Did you find out?
she said you know you know you know you know so many times i started dissociating 😭
People does that in stressful situations.
Agree
She has a medieval beauty about her. Very old school face
I find her reading of her own starring role to be remarkably shallow. Of course she's victimised. Even from the standpoint of a reading that says the ultimate arc is empowering, she is repeatedly drugged into unconsciousness, and tied up against her will. She is fed on and killed by a monster of her own making, and even though this is her choice and it represents a kind of "integration of the shadow", that shadow nonetheless kicks her all over the canvas for the majority of the film. "She's empowered" is just lazy, corporate feminism, and the film deserves far better. In the context of her career, her statements become especially troubling. She has been repeatedly excessively sexualised by male directors, not to mention a system that is known to be predatory and exploitative, and that sells objectification in the guise of empowerment. Does she have a need to view the themes of this story through such a lens?
thats ur opinion and thats ur reading though. it's art
I don't buy that she IS a victim. It's more complex than that- as with most human beings there are a whole range of power dynamics at play. If we go down the route of "women should never play characters who express vulnerability or are victims but instead are always empowered and calling the shots" it makes for terrible art. Emily Blunt says that the phrase that tends to turn her off a new script is "strong female lead". It's about ideology rather than reality: ergo it is bad art.
@ Blunt is correct, and Depp is engaging in that very thing by reducing the character to an empowered figure immune to victimization.
@@MOLLOYALLOY Blunt is correct, and Depp is engaging in that very thing by reducing the character to an empowered figure immune to victimization.
Your bias is clouding your perspective on the film. She willingly sacrifices herself at the end. By definition that’s not being a victim. You can twist it and say, “she never had a choice to begin with.” But I think that’s just sexism. She had a choice… Everyone almost needs to see women as victims right now, even when they willingly sacrifice themselves for others. It must suck to be an adult woman, whose trying to be taken seriously, when there are feminist dudes declaring they’re only being taken advantage of. Stop the infantilization of women.
"you know... you know... you know..." hahahaha she keeps saying "you know"
parce qu'elle est bilingue. Cela reflète celle du français
I loved her in this film - absolutely incredible
She kinda looks like Faye Dunaway to me.
Definitely...
Meh sorta kinda. I dunno she has an bewildering resemblance to Captain Jack Sparrow to me.
Interesting. I can see that.....
@@Riflefairy she's very pretty, in a unique and different way ..
@@PodieM18like my hamster 🐹. My hamster has 4 colors , blue , green, white and Kuloshi. Kuloshi is a mix between purple and pink ❤
In one of the final scenes when facing Orlok She reminds him that she was just a girl when he force on her. So I think Ellen indeed was a victim of a non dead entity even if she has the courage to deal with him.
LILY WAS SO GOOD IN THIS OMG
Then you know it's funny cuz I do the same thing she seems pretty cool and did a great job acting
Which text is she talking about? I couldn't understand the name :(
The story is “Péhor” by Remy de Gourmont and translated to english in ''The Angels of Perversity''
@@izcote thank you so much!!
@@izcoteyes thank you!
@@izcote I didn’t see that this had already been answered and spent the better part of thirty minutes trying to find it, before I finally just typed Lily’s description into ChatGPT and it came up with it.
I think the character was still a victim. Nosferatu was persuading her by unaliving people around her and she’s an empathic human and gave in, to save everyone else
she also was the reason he came to the city to begin with. Had she not reached out to the spirits at the beginning of the film, none of that would have ever happened.
So empathetic by insulting her husband and doing the dirty with a creature that put an end to her friends.
The original 1922 character was empathetic, not this one.
Would love to check out that text! Anyone catch the name?
I spent too long trying to find it with Google and ultimately had to employ ChatGPT, but I found it. It’s “Péhor,” by Rémy de Gourmont.
Bill looking very confused lol.
Ugh I can't wait to watch this freaking movie.
It's merely okay.
She definitely doesn’t call the shots for most of the film.
She calls out to him because she has no choice in the end. Its pretty safe to say that her involuntary spasms, fear and sleepless nights are not of her 'agency'. Shes been haunted since a young age and Orlok can infest her presence whenever he chooses . She is most definitely the victim in the movie for around 90% of the time. But thats the point. She goes from being completely powerless, to having control in the end.
Making a claim that her character is not a victim is not the case at all. Theres a literal turning point in the movie where Dafoes character reveals that only she can defeat him, because only she can lure him out with her presence. She goes from being a complete victim, to understanding in the end there's no alternative (spoiler) ... Than to self sacrifice whilst killing him.
“She’s not a victim” (proceeds to describe someone who absolutely is a victim)
I'm saying, if the take away was that Ellen was not a victim or somehow wanted everything that happened to her, I fear we missed the mark lol
💯.
Loved that! Wish we’d seen even more of Ellen evoking a spirit.👻
Nosferatu is a simple German adoption of Bram Stokers Dracula which had a lot of 19th Century European romance combined with the horror of seeing a loved one transformed into something that has to be destroyed. Victorian romance is all about the traditional love and relationships between men and women not these things Hollywood actors like to talk about.
Amen!!!
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If bill would stare at me like this I would also start saying you know hysterically
I’m gonna take a shot for each time she says “you know” lol I love her
Lily such a typical gemini, can’t stop talk.
Nutty Gemini like wild dad . Gemini is a cursed sign but all the best for her !
I really think this is lilys Fresh starting point in her career. She needs to be cast in many more horror movies and especially she needs to be in one of Tim burtons movies. i really see a great future from now on for her if she keeps continuing acting more and picking her roles carefully. I loved her acting on the Idol even if the series was controversial i didn’t rly care bc being an actor means u gotta prove something and she delivered it on that. Nosferatu Unbelievable Gorgeous setting loved her acting even more. She is so cool
She says “you know” too much but I do love her.
Also she said 'its like...' too many times
Valley girl
c'est parce que c'est ce qu'on dit en français !
Truly did not like the movie for reasons I will avoid because spoilers BUT she was wonderful in it and will be a huge star going forward.
21 "you know"
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She young, give her time, the “you knows” will soon become “I knows”.
Sounds like success to me 💯
The amount of times she says "you know" and "like" is astonishing.
Your point being
People keep commenting things about how she talks, I don't really understand because maybe it's nerves? People just aren't compassionate at all anymore. Everyone can stutter or repeat words when doing a speech, for example. Interviews are public speaking on a grand scale. I would probably do the same.
@@elle7856 if she can learn to read lines, she can learn to speak. It has zero to do with being nervous. It's the vernacular of her generation. It's lazy.
She has a bit of a valley accent, you know.
she talks like the kardashians 😂
She says herself that she is half valley girl and half parisian girl 😅 And indeed when she speaks in french, her accent is pure parisian 😂
Daughter of Hollywood royalty. You wouldn't know she's a valley girl in the movie with her English accent. That's props to her in that respect.
The sexual dynamics were very disturbing
yes, welcome to gothic literature
I dont agree with her. Visuasilly this film is amazing but eggers representation of women is a dark thing for me as watcher, in a wrong way. Woman are always extremely thin, beautiful, problematic and useless like Elena in Nosferatu. She prays for an angel and she likes what she gets, how can not be a victim? Orlok is a non dead magical thing using awful technics to push her, i totally disagree with her and directors vision of her character
Agreed, it's actually kinda sick how he's trying to claim that a woman who gets manipulated & used throughout the entire film is "empowered."
I didn't think she had that much agency to be honest. Being possessed, toyed with, and manipulated doesn't sound like she's in control at least to me. Sure, sacrificing herself is HER choice but that's ultimately because she didn't really have one.... so. Really, at the end of the day who has the power?
you missed the whole point of movie, Ellen had the power to resist the external evil that orlok represents. She might be influenced to be evil but internally she is not evil, she manipulated orlok into believing he won and kept him busy till sunrise. Her power represents the choices she makes and she sacrificed herself to end orlok and save the city.
I think you completely misunderstood the character and the film. Highly disagree
@@DocPatriotI never said she was internally evil. And yeah I get she sacrificed herself to save everyone and the town. But that’s largely due to the fact that had she not done that…. Her loved ones and everyone would have died. So while OF COURSE she has a choice to let that happen… it isn’t a great choice leaving her to not really have one other than TO sacrifice herself. When someone puts you between a rock and a hard place that makes me feel quite powerless.
@@bvandyke10 They are reaching quite a bit when they say she had all the power and control--she VERY clearly did not. She was in over her head when she called out to the darkness, she was in over her head when he answered back, and nothing changed until the very end of the film when she keeps him busy till sunrise. I think our society is so wrapped up in notions of "patriarchy" that any little thing becomes some grand symbol of feminine revolution. Its beyond silly and contrived at this point.
@@bvandyke10 I completely get what you're saying, and I've been thinking about these two perspectives about her character, and I think ultimately it is not all one or the other, but somewhere in between. You're right, she is given an ultimatum and has to decide, but at the same time she does not just give in to him submissively, and Orlok does not end up victorious in the end. She uses the choice she's presented to take back some of her agency, and uses it against her oppressor. Ultimately, she has to be courageous enough to keep him with her long enough, the effort of which kills her (and I think she was aware of this future), but she does so knowing it will completely end his power. I characterize it as a tragic but heroic sacrifice.
What is this text she’s talking about???
someone said the book is called ''the angels of perversity''
The story is “Péhor,” by Rémy de Gourmont. It’s not that easy to find but it appears in an English translation in the anthology “The Second Dedulus Book of Decadence,” ed. Brian Stableford.
I’ve spent thirty minutes researching this because I can’t stand the idea of a book I haven’t heard of.
Yeah.. That's the aspect that ruined the film for me. Just an unnecessary layer.
Her performance was good but the whole story felt messy.
Why would any talented young woman even audition anymore when the parts automatically go to the established star’s kids?
Trust me, she earned this part from her own merit. Eggers cares too much about the storytelling, he’s not going to cast a nepo baby for clout or views
@@hannahkinney9979 Not true. Financing for movies like this is cast dependent. He was given a list of names, and got to pick one.
Exactly 💯..Nepo can't even act!
She's a great actress, just like Mckenna Grace
I always expected Lily Rose would have a French accent. Guess she spent too much time in America
she's perfectly bilingual, that's it.
That’s Christina Ricci’s child 😂
She is great actor
Please,😅😅
"You know"
How many times
as her dad😊
“ Ya know “
“You know”
I hate it when they made this movie a channel for vomiting Feminist narrative which has already been refuted by anti-Feminism since long time ago.
This was literally the dumbest aspect of the movie.
What was literally the second dumbest aspect
The aspect that was the dumbest.
The you knowssssdd
😍😍😍
A ridiculous take.
Agreed!
If i had a dime for every time she said "ya know....". Good lord woman, gather your thoughts before you do a interview.
I wish Anya Taylor Joy was the leading lady. Lily acting wasn't good.
No fr there was no depth to her performance
Hairline pushed back more than Lebron
Lol.
😂😂😂
you know?
She says interesting things, but YOU KNOW... :)
I've lost count on around 15.
You know? 🧐
I thought her acting was superb . Depp Genes are playing here
Sounds deeply demonic.
Demons aren't real you know
Like the next trump term? Scary😢
@@jesperjee
They are real
Literally the worst actress of all times.
You know, you know you know, you know. You know
Like, ya know, whatever.
Like you know. You know, like... you know, you know like. Like. You know.
Big forehead but beautiful woman
Maybe her sister is Christina ricci or Reese Witherspoon 😂
I'll watch any flick Willem Defoe is in