Sir Bobby has had the most impact here. He convinced Fergie not to retire. He inspired Pep to become a manager. He inspired Jose to become a manager. If it wasn't for him Jose and Pep wouldn't exist and Fergie would have retired earlier winning less. That is the most impact on here.
Completely agree! I feel like they only scratched the service on what makes a manager "impactful" They needed to look deeper and focus not just on winning games and winning titles, but inspiration and as you very rightly said above Bobby Robson is the true king of this! Disappointed to see him at the bottom of the list!
Big Sam was massively impactful in terms of his use of sports science and statistics in the early 00s. Anyone who lazily describes him as a dinosaur is just highlighting their lack of knowledge. Him taking newly promoted Bolton to Europe and almost qualifying for the Champions League in 04/05 is underrated and oft forgotten
Yep, also popularized percentage football - and the trend of signing 'passed it' star players who could still do a great job. Love him or hate him, to claim he has had no impact smacks of bias rather than objective thinking.
How tf is Thomas Tuchel above Big Sam in terms of premier league impact?? Some oversights here for sure. Edit: I just made it to the part where Tuchel got moved down 😂😂
thank god some people still understand this. how do people think he found the likes of Stelios and Jaasekelainen in an era where midtable teams normally just purchased from each other or flopped/old big club players.
Now, this is pure class. What a great way to spend 75 minutes. Excellent guests with measured opinions and no silliness. Other podcasts, please take note.
Just some insight to David Moyes at West Ham. I remember when he joined (the second time) our media team did a sit down interview first day back. He was saying how he isn't interested in just building a team, he is going to build and improve every aspect of the club and the way he was saying it, I believed him. Fast forward and he has done/is doing EVERYTHING he said he was going to do. You have to remember, we were in a terrible mess from top to bottom when Moyes came in. from saving us from relegation to 3 consecutive seasons in Europe, a Europa League semi final and a European Trophy. Quality manager.
Rebuilding that car crash of a stadium would be a good idea. Upton Park was one of best away days. Olympic stadium is not fit for watching football, but all on the taxpayer pound though.
While having a little play on the train, James put it where he would put it anyway. It was long, standing, nuanced, and hard, he thought. Moving bits down near the bottom (to make it look nice), James knew after he did the rounds that they could wiggle. Great pod, needs more innuendo
As a Spurs fan, I honestly do think you came to the correct conclusion with Wenger. Would have liked to have heard a lot more chat on Ferguson though. Felt like he was brushed aside as almost too obvious
Ferguson wasn’t actually that influential. He was just the pinnacle of old-school management. None of his protégés have gone on to achieve managerial success.
Keegan brought up and also kept up both Newcastle and Man City back to the PL... what he went on to do at Newcastle was incredible, finishing 3rd in Newcastle's 1st season in the PL then 6th then finishing 2nd... all in his 1st 3 seasons being in the PL (remembering this is his 1st job as a manager) and being nicknamed THE ENTERTAINERS that people still remember today! NO IMPACT give me a break!!!!
I think managers should be ranked in a similar way to fighters - pound-for-pound. Guardiola may be a great manager, but he has spent his entire career with near-unlimited financial backing to buy whatever dream team he wants. Managerial impact should be judged by results-per-£ as opposed to who gets to spend the most money.
This analogy is used all the time and it's so flawed. Having fewer resources as a manager also means you have far, far lower expectations, less pressure and frankly less nonsense that you have to deal with from both your own players and the media. For example, managing a club like United with the brand they have AND the money they spend is a completely incomparable task to the job that someone like De Zerbi has at Brighton. De Zerbi will never have to deal with shit like the Ronaldo, Maguire, Greenwood, Sancho and Antonty situations. He said something a little controversial about Caicedo in the Summer and nobody cared... Pep or Ten Hag would be slaughtered for doing the same. I understand that you want to shine a light on coaches who achieve impressive feats with less money, and I agree with you. But Pep performs at the highest level of the game and gets tons of resources because he's one of the greatest coaches ever...it's not by luck or chance. Ange could NEVER achieve the same with similar resources.
@@africancoast I just think it's difficult to warm to a manager that's never had adversity. Bringing through youth players aside, the Barcelona squad was utterly ridicolous, then inheriting the Bayern treble team, then joining Man City who after a realtively poor first season with an ok squad, was bolstered with unprecedented amounts of money particuarly on defenders. As you rightfully say there's a different level of pressure and incompetence with Man United for example, do we know for sure that Guardiola has massive success there? I wouldn't be sure.
The Entertainers were literally everyone’s second favourite club under Keegan. A panel this young just doesn’t cut it for such a longitudinally focused discussion.
This is a great format! However in the future I think the guests should be given the names/items featured ahead of time so they can research and form more nuanced opinions. Someone in the comments mentioned Big Sam and his impact on sports science. That’s something I would have never known of going into the conversation, but represents an angle of impact that could’ve made a vast difference in his ranking.
Kevin Keegan saves Newcastle from the lower leagues. He also created a team known as 'The Entertainers' during Man Utd's spell of domination. He brought in Shearer who is still the Prem's all time top goalscorer as well as people like Ginola who are still important to the game to this day.
Mourinho was learning his trade as a manager under Robson while Guardiola was a player when Robson was manager of Barcelona. They have both said in several interveiws that Robson has had a big impact of their managerial careers. So you could argue that, Robson and Mourinho´s impact on the premier league, was in some ways down to the impact of Robson.
Ask Mourinho where he would be without Sir Bobby taking him under his wing and then add how fun that Newcastle team was with back to back FA cup finals. He's got to be better than no impact. Plus the 86 and 90 world cup performances basically helped get the Prem off the ground in the first place.
Love this video, such a good concept and everyone gave great insight. One point I'd make on Jose, he came in and started using a 433 over the favoured 442. Fergie switches his system to a form of 433 to counter this and Man Utd go and have their unrivaled dominance domestically which includes leading to another UCL win...over Chelsea who had sacked Jose that season. Ripples baby
Bobby Robson had no impact? Forget just his accomplishments as a manager, he's also directly responsible for other faces in this list even being managers or them staying as managers to achieve what they eventually did. I believe that's what they call impact.
Think it should also be noted that Moyes was a huge proponent of data lead scouting before it was as big as it is today. In 2008 at Everton he signed an agreement with Football Manager to use their database for scouting which was pretty unheard of at the time
Im disgusted to see where Sir Bobby is. His impact far outstretches that of what he did at newcastle (getting champions league etc). As others have mentioned he mentored both Guardiola and Mourinho. Mourinho was nothing more than a translator when Sir Booby picked him up
Brendan Rodgers was one of the first managers at a mid table lower relegation club to play actual football. His impact was huge. Before him everyone else generally just played boom ball. These kids no respect.
18 mins in and it’s strayed away from the most impact into what managers have won the most with teams that were bought to win the league, but I’ll play on to see if common sense arrives
Really enjoyed this. Lot's of good talking points. But you really did Sir Bobby Robson dirty. From his time at England and the impact he had on the first generation of EPL stars, which through Lineker we still experience it through, to his time at Barca heavily impacting Pep and Mourinho, two of your top 5 prem managers. Not to mention he was idolised by Sir Alex.
There were genuinely about 10 words said about Sir Alex in this entire video which tells you everything. He speaks for himself, no arguments need to be made about nonsense like creating AFTV. He's clearly number 1 and it's not even very close.
Fergie was the pinnacle of old-school management. His impact was exclusive to Man U. None of his coaching protégés have gone on to achieve success. He was a successful staple of the Premier League for most of its existence and is undoubtedly its greatest manager, but he is not its most impactful manager.
TONY PULIS HAS TO BE IN THIS LIST. A wet windy night at stoke the brexit football, there is no Sean Dyche without Pulis. Also has a very respectable record at avoiding relagation. I had years of his awful football at West Brom and I didn’t know how great it was until it was gone. COYB 🔵⚪️
You can't put pep in S-Tier while putting Klopp two tiers below.. Pep is great and all and revolotionized the game, however City was winning titles before him and they have all the money in the world. The belong in the same tier IMO
They definitely don’t compare. As you stated, Pep has not only won titles he’s revolutionized the game. Managers that can build a legacy beyond trophies deserve to be in the top category above anyone else. Klopp is a great manager but he hasn’t had anywhere near the same impact Pep has had on the sport. Also, I think it’s quite interesting that his Liverpool side have really only contended for the title in 3 seasons out of his 8 years with the club.
City finished 4th in the league on goal difference the season before Pep, had never defended the title and had never looked convincing in the CL before Pep. We'd also never cracked 90 points in the league. We now routinely get 90+ pts, have won the league back-to-back on 4(?) separate occasions and are one of the best performing CL teams since 2019. It's incomparable. And that's without talking about Pep's achievements pre-City. With that being said I'd have Klopp a tier below or on the same tier.
Who you moving down then? Klopp is a great manager but in this format you have to move someone else down then. Klopp isnt bigger in the prem than Wenger or Ferguson, thats undisputable
Not sure why Ferguson is so high. He has been the most successful manager but his impact is much less than Pep (showing that tiki taka could not only work in England, but dominate and as a result is copied up and down the league), Wenger (revolutionised nutrition and off field preparation, moved away from drinking cultures, plus European youth scouting) or even Mourinho (with his turning the league into a sprint and 433 tactics).
They didnt even mentioned SAF, the biggest ripple effect is that he bought CR7 from Sporting... This alone should be most impactful without even mentioning his success...
@@Max-kx9wy if I’m correct in saying that Rodger’s is the only other British manager bar Ferguson to win the Fa cup in a while. I think he’s had more impact than you think. And how is Thomas Tuchel in average impact is beyond me 😂. I welcome your thoughts on Thomas Tuchel.
not only did he get us relegated he made us bottle the top 4 twice lol. that is some going , considering he took over a very good side when he came here. huge credit for the fa cup win tho
I remember watching Wenger's Arsenal in 1996/97 and thinking this football is different to anything I've seen in England before. Absolutely loved the beautiful way his Arsenal teams played. Far more impact than Fergy or Pep who won more but never changed anything...
Pep didn't change anything? Erm, have you noticed that Long Ball Football in the PL has pretty much disappeared and all the best teams now try to dominate the ball?
I despise Sam Allardyce. His time at Newcastle was painful. His arrogance is at Mourinho's level without any of the wins. He’s one of the most impactful managers of the last 30 years. Fully embraced the science behind the sport (yoga introduced into recovery at Bolton way before that was considered normal) set piece coaching and use of technology in the game. Developed a style of football that, whilst aesthetically horrible, kept teams in the league that lacked the on paper quality to be there. Bolton, Sunderland, Blackburn Rovers and Crystal Palace were all teams that survived with him that probably shouldn’t. So yeah him being in no impact is crazy.
Slightly biased as a Stoke fan, but Pulis has to be on this list. Had the division running scared for a few seasons there, and baiting Wenger into trying to get throw-ins banned is a larger cultural footprint than many managers have
One point I want to make. Ultimately I do agree with this tier list I think, but I’d argue that Jose should be higher. Pep cannot operate with a team without having previous generational talents in his squad or spending huge sums. Never managed a side in which he had to work with what he had. His first season at city kind of shows that struggle. Wenger and Fergie to an extent did more for the league itself I think than Pep. I think Jose was able to not only to come into a newly high spending side, but his personality is one of a kind. He brought more than his football to the league and impacted our clubs winning mentality even after his time with us for two decades. Ge ignited that spark for Chelsea. Plus showed he can also to an extent work with what he has in moments too outside of the prem, yes I know this is prem specific tho and I get that. But Jose was the face of football at points cause of his attitude, his football and so on. He even held a long standing record where NO ONE beat chelsea at home under Mourinho. That’s outstanding. 86 game record unbeaten at home. Klopp tried it and got stopped at 68. I mean that’s incredible. Love this video tho and this lineup specifically is great! Keep it coming!
Keegan no impact? Seriously James? Ask anyone if they have heard of the entertainers even if they were never born and they will say yes... took the prem by storm! blew the title after being 12 points clear... enormous impacts good and bad. Sold Cole to Man Utd as well which massively impacted both clubs and propelled them to a long period of dominance. The ripples are huge. Not sure you thought this one through enough.
Signed Shearer under Keegan as well although he left very soon after. World record fee that made headlines world wide and brought eyes to the prem from everywhere. The Impact he made was frankly mind blowing@@NUFCOfficial
I can see some arguments for Wenger at #1 but for me it’s Fergie. Simply the fact then when he was managing the title race every year, when he got it all going, was between his Manchester United vs Arsenal, Newcastle, Chelsea, Man City. They would come to challenge him & when those teams did beat him to a title it wasn’t because his team had an off season (like Pep’s city team when Lpool won the league) it was because the team that won the league was deserving off it & most teams that achieved it have been remembered for the history books .
Keegan, Allardyce and Mancini all had a big impact on the league. At Newcastle Keegan's legacy, perhaps more than the Entertainers, was big money signings and a superstar squad. So much was made of how much the squad cost to assemble under Keegan, it was the first steps of the premier league into being a financial juggernaut. Allardyce trademarked the physical style of play in the 90s and early 00s and in the 21st century has gone on to make the idea of survival specialist managers a thing. Finally, Mancini is the catalyst for everything Man City are. No Mancini means there is no Pep at city.
Change the tiers to have “significant” in front of impact e.g. “no significant impact” instead of “no impact” that way you don’t get clowned (unless getting clowned is part of the goal to boost engagement)
Rodgers helped Liecester get relegated which helped Spurs pick up Madders for a bag of chips. Then he gets put in for the Celtic job. So as a Spurs fan Rodgers has some how directly made it better for us 😅
Kevin Keegan no impact is a travesty when you think about how Newcastle vs Man U title race shaped so much of the 90's, and the playing style he implemented at Newcastle. "The entertainers" gets referenced every bloody season.
Is it the person that throws the rock (Arsenal smoking Chelsea) or the rock itself (Conte therefore changing to a 3 CB system) that is the cause of the ripple and thus causing a lasting impact?
I think the problem with these tier lists is there needs to be a clear definition of what you're ranking. without a clear guiding light, the convo is all over the place and frustrating. For example, there was alot of talk about how these people impacted their club, rather than impacting the league, which in my mind are very different things
I imagine impact on the premier league would be managers that change the PREMIER LEAGUE forever not who was guaranteed to win with owners that would buy a championship. For me impact for me would be things like Managers that voted for a break away super league that kind of thing
Fergy was the more successful but Wenger was on a different level to everyone else when it came to changing how the Premiership was perceived. English football was always looked upon as basic route one, wingers and crosses. Fergy was still part of the old Premiership yet Wenger made it the attraction it is today..Back from 1996 only Wengers Arsenal played progressive football, nowadays most Premiership teams copy that formula..
No right to win the Champions League in 21??? Chelsea was by far the most dominant team team, tuchel has a huge impact on that. Not saying premier league wise but this narrative that Chelsea had no business winning that is crazy, tuchel tactically was incredible and had a big impact
also arsene wenger is the reasons the pl clubs started signing foreign players from different leagues. he had the biggest impact in development of transfer market and scouting
Not sure how anyone can argue against Klopp being one of the greatest. He's won everything at Liverpool on a fraction of budget compared to his competition and a net spend lower than 9 other teams in the league. Putting him at "Impactful" shows how little you've thought about this and discredits the entire tier list. He literally introduced a new style of playing the PL that everyone is now trying to copy too. He's also done more than Pep in the PL and Pep has spent £1 billion. Lets face facts here, Klopp wouldve won 3/4 PL titles in any other era without a dodgy City corrupting the sport. Klopp just needs to rebuild and win the league again and he tops Fergie for me. Also, Wenger goes down a tier simply for not winning anything significant for like 10/15 years. Yes he changed football, but that was 20 years ago and he struggled for 10+ years and each of those were top 4 finishes too - which they always managed to fuck up and never do anything in the CL. If anything, Wengers time is more of a failure than success if you consider the squad, budget and opportunities they had.
Wow. Keegan is below Redknapp, Moyes, RODGERS, and Conte. As a Newcastle fan, I'll even say Howe shouldn't be above him. James, you made the argument that Benitez should be considered for a higher tier because he kept Newcastle in the Premier League and therefore were able to be taken over by Saudi. Therefore, Keegan must be higher than those mentioned above. Without Keegan, we might not have had a single Premier League season. There's no way there's a takeover. Also, The Entertainers. That team helped massively with the Premier Leagues reputation in the early to mid 90s. Without The Entertainers, does the Premier League become as big as quick? I don't think it does. The landscape of the Premier League could have been vastly different without Keegan's Newcastle side. Winning things isn't the be-all and end all of sport.
I don’t necessarily disagree with the outcome, Wenger came in & changed so many things in the league… but other than when they moved his pic the first time, did they even say SAF’s name again, never mind have an actual proper discussion about his merits for the No 1 spot?
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Sir Bobby has had the most impact here. He convinced Fergie not to retire. He inspired Pep to become a manager. He inspired Jose to become a manager. If it wasn't for him Jose and Pep wouldn't exist and Fergie would have retired earlier winning less.
That is the most impact on here.
Completely agree! I feel like they only scratched the service on what makes a manager "impactful" They needed to look deeper and focus not just on winning games and winning titles, but inspiration and as you very rightly said above Bobby Robson is the true king of this! Disappointed to see him at the bottom of the list!
Hmm. I think Johan Cruyff may have inspired Pep far more to be a manager.
Big Sam was massively impactful in terms of his use of sports science and statistics in the early 00s. Anyone who lazily describes him as a dinosaur is just highlighting their lack of knowledge.
Him taking newly promoted Bolton to Europe and almost qualifying for the Champions League in 04/05 is underrated and oft forgotten
Yep, also popularized percentage football - and the trend of signing 'passed it' star players who could still do a great job. Love him or hate him, to claim he has had no impact smacks of bias rather than objective thinking.
How tf is Thomas Tuchel above Big Sam in terms of premier league impact?? Some oversights here for sure. Edit: I just made it to the part where Tuchel got moved down 😂😂
Not to mention Bolton was a constant thorn in Wenger's Arsenal side for many years under his stewardship.
thank god some people still understand this. how do people think he found the likes of Stelios and Jaasekelainen in an era where midtable teams normally just purchased from each other or flopped/old big club players.
Big Gay brexit football , shit to watch and play against
This isn’t a JAFFN!
absolute HELL ON
Why?
Sir Bobby Robson has to be up with the most impactful! Without him there is no Pep Guardiola or José Mourinho… What a legend.
Even sir Alex looked up to him
Now, this is pure class. What a great way to spend 75 minutes. Excellent guests with measured opinions and no silliness. Other podcasts, please take note.
Measured? I'm not sure that's the best list!
Just some insight to David Moyes at West Ham. I remember when he joined (the second time) our media team did a sit down interview first day back. He was saying how he isn't interested in just building a team, he is going to build and improve every aspect of the club and the way he was saying it, I believed him. Fast forward and he has done/is doing EVERYTHING he said he was going to do. You have to remember, we were in a terrible mess from top to bottom when Moyes came in. from saving us from relegation to 3 consecutive seasons in Europe, a Europa League semi final and a European Trophy. Quality manager.
Rebuilding that car crash of a stadium would be a good idea. Upton Park was one of best away days. Olympic stadium is not fit for watching football, but all on the taxpayer pound though.
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Bobby robson, Keegan, and Howe impacted the city of Newcastle in ways you won’t understand
While having a little play on the train, James put it where he would put it anyway. It was long, standing, nuanced, and hard, he thought. Moving bits down near the bottom (to make it look nice), James knew after he did the rounds that they could wiggle.
Great pod, needs more innuendo
As a Spurs fan, I honestly do think you came to the correct conclusion with Wenger. Would have liked to have heard a lot more chat on Ferguson though. Felt like he was brushed aside as almost too obvious
Ferguson wasn’t actually that influential. He was just the pinnacle of old-school management. None of his protégés have gone on to achieve managerial success.
Sam Allardyce introduced metrics and statistics to PL football management. Vastly underrated in terms of his impact on the game
Keegan brought up and also kept up both Newcastle and Man City back to the PL... what he went on to do at Newcastle was incredible, finishing 3rd in Newcastle's 1st season in the PL then 6th then finishing 2nd... all in his 1st 3 seasons being in the PL (remembering this is his 1st job as a manager) and being nicknamed THE ENTERTAINERS that people still remember today! NO IMPACT give me a break!!!!
Exactly. It's a mess of a tier list tbh.
They clearly are too young to really understand ‘impact’.
I think managers should be ranked in a similar way to fighters - pound-for-pound. Guardiola may be a great manager, but he has spent his entire career with near-unlimited financial backing to buy whatever dream team he wants. Managerial impact should be judged by results-per-£ as opposed to who gets to spend the most money.
That would hurt ange, he has quite a few pounds on him
This analogy is used all the time and it's so flawed. Having fewer resources as a manager also means you have far, far lower expectations, less pressure and frankly less nonsense that you have to deal with from both your own players and the media.
For example, managing a club like United with the brand they have AND the money they spend is a completely incomparable task to the job that someone like De Zerbi has at Brighton. De Zerbi will never have to deal with shit like the Ronaldo, Maguire, Greenwood, Sancho and Antonty situations. He said something a little controversial about Caicedo in the Summer and nobody cared... Pep or Ten Hag would be slaughtered for doing the same.
I understand that you want to shine a light on coaches who achieve impressive feats with less money, and I agree with you. But Pep performs at the highest level of the game and gets tons of resources because he's one of the greatest coaches ever...it's not by luck or chance. Ange could NEVER achieve the same with similar resources.
@@africancoastits how liverpool fans try and get klopp ranked over pep
@@africancoast I just think it's difficult to warm to a manager that's never had adversity. Bringing through youth players aside, the Barcelona squad was utterly ridicolous, then inheriting the Bayern treble team, then joining Man City who after a realtively poor first season with an ok squad, was bolstered with unprecedented amounts of money particuarly on defenders. As you rightfully say there's a different level of pressure and incompetence with Man United for example, do we know for sure that Guardiola has massive success there? I wouldn't be sure.
HAhah.Every manager close to him has the same money.Sir Alex had the biggest budget when he won all the leagues.Mourinho did as well.
The Entertainers were literally everyone’s second favourite club under Keegan. A panel this young just doesn’t cut it for such a longitudinally focused discussion.
It's funny because if you asked Ferguson, Mourinho, and Pep, they'd have Bobby Robson in God tier. You need to listen to their interviews about him
This is a great format! However in the future I think the guests should be given the names/items featured ahead of time so they can research and form more nuanced opinions. Someone in the comments mentioned Big Sam and his impact on sports science. That’s something I would have never known of going into the conversation, but represents an angle of impact that could’ve made a vast difference in his ranking.
Kevin Keegan saves Newcastle from the lower leagues. He also created a team known as 'The Entertainers' during Man Utd's spell of domination. He brought in Shearer who is still the Prem's all time top goalscorer as well as people like Ginola who are still important to the game to this day.
Mourinho was learning his trade as a manager under Robson while Guardiola was a player when Robson was manager of Barcelona. They have both said in several interveiws that Robson has had a big impact of their managerial careers. So you could argue that, Robson and Mourinho´s impact on the premier league, was in some ways down to the impact of Robson.
SDS with James Alcott is just great footy podcast collaboration
Bobby Robson was the manager of many current excellent managers including Pep and Mourinho. Massive premier league impact
Ask Mourinho where he would be without Sir Bobby taking him under his wing and then add how fun that Newcastle team was with back to back FA cup finals. He's got to be better than no impact. Plus the 86 and 90 world cup performances basically helped get the Prem off the ground in the first place.
Had a huge impact on Pep too
Love this video, such a good concept and everyone gave great insight.
One point I'd make on Jose, he came in and started using a 433 over the favoured 442. Fergie switches his system to a form of 433 to counter this and Man Utd go and have their unrivaled dominance domestically which includes leading to another UCL win...over Chelsea who had sacked Jose that season.
Ripples baby
Bobby Robson had no impact? Forget just his accomplishments as a manager, he's also directly responsible for other faces in this list even being managers or them staying as managers to achieve what they eventually did.
I believe that's what they call impact.
Think it should also be noted that Moyes was a huge proponent of data lead scouting before it was as big as it is today. In 2008 at Everton he signed an agreement with Football Manager to use their database for scouting which was pretty unheard of at the time
That’s Me sorted for the next hour 😂
Im disgusted to see where Sir Bobby is. His impact far outstretches that of what he did at newcastle (getting champions league etc).
As others have mentioned he mentored both Guardiola and Mourinho. Mourinho was nothing more than a translator when Sir Booby picked him up
Bobby robson managed pep at Barcelona and his assistant was mourinho, surely that's impactful
This is a class episode and concept. Great work Jim
Brendan Rodgers was one of the first managers at a mid table lower relegation club to play actual football. His impact was huge. Before him everyone else generally just played boom ball. These kids no respect.
This was an awesome idea and a great measured discussion. Loved it.
18 mins in and it’s strayed away from the most impact into what managers have won the most with teams that were bought to win the league, but I’ll play on to see if common sense arrives
Really enjoyed this. Lot's of good talking points. But you really did Sir Bobby Robson dirty. From his time at England and the impact he had on the first generation of EPL stars, which through Lineker we still experience it through, to his time at Barca heavily impacting Pep and Mourinho, two of your top 5 prem managers. Not to mention he was idolised by Sir Alex.
There were genuinely about 10 words said about Sir Alex in this entire video which tells you everything. He speaks for himself, no arguments need to be made about nonsense like creating AFTV. He's clearly number 1 and it's not even very close.
Fergie was the pinnacle of old-school management. His impact was exclusive to Man U. None of his coaching protégés have gone on to achieve success. He was a successful staple of the Premier League for most of its existence and is undoubtedly its greatest manager, but he is not its most impactful manager.
TONY PULIS HAS TO BE IN THIS LIST. A wet windy night at stoke the brexit football, there is no Sean Dyche without Pulis. Also has a very respectable record at avoiding relagation. I had years of his awful football at West Brom and I didn’t know how great it was until it was gone. COYB 🔵⚪️
You can't put pep in S-Tier while putting Klopp two tiers below.. Pep is great and all and revolotionized the game, however City was winning titles before him and they have all the money in the world. The belong in the same tier IMO
They definitely don’t compare. As you stated, Pep has not only won titles he’s revolutionized the game. Managers that can build a legacy beyond trophies deserve to be in the top category above anyone else. Klopp is a great manager but he hasn’t had anywhere near the same impact Pep has had on the sport. Also, I think it’s quite interesting that his Liverpool side have really only contended for the title in 3 seasons out of his 8 years with the club.
City finished 4th in the league on goal difference the season before Pep, had never defended the title and had never looked convincing in the CL before Pep. We'd also never cracked 90 points in the league.
We now routinely get 90+ pts, have won the league back-to-back on 4(?) separate occasions and are one of the best performing CL teams since 2019. It's incomparable. And that's without talking about Pep's achievements pre-City.
With that being said I'd have Klopp a tier below or on the same tier.
Pep Guardiola and Klopp are not in the same tier. 😂
Who you moving down then? Klopp is a great manager but in this format you have to move someone else down then. Klopp isnt bigger in the prem than Wenger or Ferguson, thats undisputable
Also Klopp was more influential in pressing football which is the defining defensive meta in the last decade at least.
What an idea and what a video- amazing as usual
Still feel like nathan jones was hard dine by not to be a hounerable mention for stopping the quad
Not sure why Ferguson is so high. He has been the most successful manager but his impact is much less than Pep (showing that tiki taka could not only work in England, but dominate and as a result is copied up and down the league), Wenger (revolutionised nutrition and off field preparation, moved away from drinking cultures, plus European youth scouting) or even Mourinho (with his turning the league into a sprint and 433 tactics).
The disrespect on eddie howe is crazy
They didnt even mentioned SAF, the biggest ripple effect is that he bought CR7 from Sporting... This alone should be most impactful without even mentioning his success...
was very dissapointed they didnt even spend 10 seconds talking about SAF..
Ok he bought a player who turned out to be one of the greats. So? The world doesn’t revolve around CR7. Winning leagues =/= most impact.
Rodger’s made Sterling, Suarez and Henderson. And has given British managers some credit in a sea of underwhelming managers.
He did not Make either Sturridge or Suarez. This is the person that signed Balotelli
@@Max-kx9wy if I’m correct in saying that Rodger’s is the only other British manager bar Ferguson to win the Fa cup in a while. I think he’s had more impact than you think.
And how is Thomas Tuchel in average impact is beyond me 😂. I welcome your thoughts on Thomas Tuchel.
not only did he get us relegated he made us bottle the top 4 twice lol. that is some going , considering he took over a very good side when he came here. huge credit for the fa cup win tho
He made Sturbridge better but Suarez was always going to be a great. His Ajax stats were outrageous
I remember watching Wenger's Arsenal in 1996/97 and thinking this football is different to anything I've seen in England before. Absolutely loved the beautiful way his Arsenal teams played. Far more impact than Fergy or Pep who won more but never changed anything...
Pep didn't change anything? Erm, have you noticed that Long Ball Football in the PL has pretty much disappeared and all the best teams now try to dominate the ball?
How many teams have adopted Big Sam's approach in an effort to avoid relegation? If your answer is 1 or more, then he has had an impact.
Jurgen klopp single handedly carrying England's eufa coefficient by reaching 3 UCL finals in 5 years
Gotta do it with the owners as well ! Would be banging
I despise Sam Allardyce. His time at Newcastle was painful. His arrogance is at Mourinho's level without any of the wins.
He’s one of the most impactful managers of the last 30 years. Fully embraced the science behind the sport (yoga introduced into recovery at Bolton way before that was considered normal) set piece coaching and use of technology in the game. Developed a style of football that, whilst aesthetically horrible, kept teams in the league that lacked the on paper quality to be there. Bolton, Sunderland, Blackburn Rovers and Crystal Palace were all teams that survived with him that probably shouldn’t.
So yeah him being in no impact is crazy.
Eddie How in Average impact is insane
Slightly biased as a Stoke fan, but Pulis has to be on this list. Had the division running scared for a few seasons there, and baiting Wenger into trying to get throw-ins banned is a larger cultural footprint than many managers have
One point I want to make. Ultimately I do agree with this tier list I think, but I’d argue that Jose should be higher. Pep cannot operate with a team without having previous generational talents in his squad or spending huge sums. Never managed a side in which he had to work with what he had. His first season at city kind of shows that struggle. Wenger and Fergie to an extent did more for the league itself I think than Pep. I think Jose was able to not only to come into a newly high spending side, but his personality is one of a kind. He brought more than his football to the league and impacted our clubs winning mentality even after his time with us for two decades. Ge ignited that spark for Chelsea. Plus showed he can also to an extent work with what he has in moments too outside of the prem, yes I know this is prem specific tho and I get that. But Jose was the face of football at points cause of his attitude, his football and so on. He even held a long standing record where NO ONE beat chelsea at home under Mourinho. That’s outstanding. 86 game record unbeaten at home. Klopp tried it and got stopped at 68. I mean that’s incredible. Love this video tho and this lineup specifically is great! Keep it coming!
Winning the champions league impacts Europe not the premiership
Your disrespect of Kevin Keegan is obscene. It literally makes me question your knowledge of the premier league at the time.
Keegan no impact? Seriously James? Ask anyone if they have heard of the entertainers even if they were never born and they will say yes... took the prem by storm! blew the title after being 12 points clear... enormous impacts good and bad. Sold Cole to Man Utd as well which massively impacted both clubs and propelled them to a long period of dominance. The ripples are huge. Not sure you thought this one through enough.
Yeah It's like I know I'm biased but to say no impact is a bit harsh
Signed Shearer under Keegan as well although he left very soon after. World record fee that made headlines world wide and brought eyes to the prem from everywhere. The Impact he made was frankly mind blowing@@NUFCOfficial
Same with Sir Bobby these guys need to do some serious research before putting these videos out they are clueless at times
Keegans ENTERTAINERS helped build the premier league
As a Chelsea fan, I kind of have to agree with Tuchel, we'll remember him but others will only remember him for the Conte fight
I can see some arguments for Wenger at #1 but for me it’s Fergie. Simply the fact then when he was managing the title race every year, when he got it all going, was between his Manchester United vs Arsenal, Newcastle, Chelsea, Man City. They would come to challenge him & when those teams did beat him to a title it wasn’t because his team had an off season (like Pep’s city team when Lpool won the league) it was because the team that won the league was deserving off it & most teams that achieved it have been remembered for the history books .
This tier list should be renamed “managers who James likes tactically”.
Keegan, Allardyce and Mancini all had a big impact on the league. At Newcastle Keegan's legacy, perhaps more than the Entertainers, was big money signings and a superstar squad. So much was made of how much the squad cost to assemble under Keegan, it was the first steps of the premier league into being a financial juggernaut. Allardyce trademarked the physical style of play in the 90s and early 00s and in the 21st century has gone on to make the idea of survival specialist managers a thing. Finally, Mancini is the catalyst for everything Man City are. No Mancini means there is no Pep at city.
Change the tiers to have “significant” in front of impact e.g. “no significant impact” instead of “no impact” that way you don’t get clowned (unless getting clowned is part of the goal to boost engagement)
That plot twist at the last 5 minutes was crazy! 😂
Sam allardyce. Most known for emphasis into sports science and giving his players freedom in the fibal third to do whatever they wanted
Surely the jingle has got to be “21 Managers to Go” of So Solid sound.
Love it James, but u also took this idea from Bill Simmons. His book of basketball introduced the hall of Fame pyramid concept like 15 years ago lol
Rodgers helped Liecester get relegated which helped Spurs pick up Madders for a bag of chips. Then he gets put in for the Celtic job. So as a Spurs fan Rodgers has some how directly made it better for us 😅
Pretty much a perfect list. There's definitely an argument for SAF no.1 and Mourinho in the top 3 but other than that it's spot on.
Bobby Robson was a terrible shout, mourinho wouldn’t be who he is without him IMO
This is a great example on people that no a lot about the club they support and almost nothing about football
Kevin Keegan no impact is a travesty when you think about how Newcastle vs Man U title race shaped so much of the 90's, and the playing style he implemented at Newcastle. "The entertainers" gets referenced every bloody season.
Is it the person that throws the rock (Arsenal smoking Chelsea) or the rock itself (Conte therefore changing to a 3 CB system) that is the cause of the ripple and thus causing a lasting impact?
Conte could have chosen a different response but made the conscious decision to go with 3 at-the-back. So it’s him.
Mancini having less impact than Conte or Howe is genuinely ridiculous.
It had to be Arsene. Le Professeur
I think the problem with these tier lists is there needs to be a clear definition of what you're ranking. without a clear guiding light, the convo is all over the place and frustrating. For example, there was alot of talk about how these people impacted their club, rather than impacting the league, which in my mind are very different things
That was amazing
Do we have the theatre around Transfer Deadline Day without Redknapp?
I imagine impact on the premier league would be managers that change the PREMIER LEAGUE forever not who was guaranteed to win with owners that would buy a championship. For me impact for me would be things like Managers that voted for a break away super league that kind of thing
Wenger also paved the way for foreign players to become commonplace in the Premier League.
Just make it "Premier League Managers that won the most trophies"
Fuad kills himself every episode talking about footy😂
I need to know who you were talking about when you made that subtle reference to someone stealing your content 🤔😂
Fergy was the more successful but Wenger was on a different level to everyone else when it came to changing how the Premiership was perceived. English football was always looked upon as basic route one, wingers and crosses. Fergy was still part of the old Premiership yet Wenger made it the attraction it is today..Back from 1996 only Wengers Arsenal played progressive football, nowadays most Premiership teams copy that formula..
No right to win the Champions League in 21??? Chelsea was by far the most dominant team team, tuchel has a huge impact on that. Not saying premier league wise but this narrative that Chelsea had no business winning that is crazy, tuchel tactically was incredible and had a big impact
also arsene wenger is the reasons the pl clubs started signing foreign players from different leagues. he had the biggest impact in development of transfer market and scouting
Not sure how anyone can argue against Klopp being one of the greatest. He's won everything at Liverpool on a fraction of budget compared to his competition and a net spend lower than 9 other teams in the league. Putting him at "Impactful" shows how little you've thought about this and discredits the entire tier list. He literally introduced a new style of playing the PL that everyone is now trying to copy too. He's also done more than Pep in the PL and Pep has spent £1 billion. Lets face facts here, Klopp wouldve won 3/4 PL titles in any other era without a dodgy City corrupting the sport.
Klopp just needs to rebuild and win the league again and he tops Fergie for me. Also, Wenger goes down a tier simply for not winning anything significant for like 10/15 years. Yes he changed football, but that was 20 years ago and he struggled for 10+ years and each of those were top 4 finishes too - which they always managed to fuck up and never do anything in the CL. If anything, Wengers time is more of a failure than success if you consider the squad, budget and opportunities they had.
This is most impactful, not the greatest
Sir Alex needs an own tier just for himself
Sir Bobby Robson, no impact? Mourinho learnt from him. Pep played under him. So did Peter Reid, Stuart Pearce and Bryan Robson.
Sorry but poor show for me. The panel didn’t have historical experience and also used pro arguments for some whilst dismissing others with the same.
Had a mare lads
Where's Flav?
shocking tops from lawrence and the top right
I feel Fuad and sharky list would be very different to this like Mancini definitely would of been higher
There should be Bielsa tier above the Very impactful tier
7:12 wrong show Jimmy lad 😂
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Brendan Rogers ahead of King Kev is outright scandalous Jim.
WENGER MASTERCLASS!!!
Wow. Keegan is below Redknapp, Moyes, RODGERS, and Conte. As a Newcastle fan, I'll even say Howe shouldn't be above him.
James, you made the argument that Benitez should be considered for a higher tier because he kept Newcastle in the Premier League and therefore were able to be taken over by Saudi. Therefore, Keegan must be higher than those mentioned above. Without Keegan, we might not have had a single Premier League season. There's no way there's a takeover.
Also, The Entertainers. That team helped massively with the Premier Leagues reputation in the early to mid 90s. Without The Entertainers, does the Premier League become as big as quick? I don't think it does. The landscape of the Premier League could have been vastly different without Keegan's Newcastle side.
Winning things isn't the be-all and end all of sport.
The absolute disrespect shown to SIR Bobby here is shocking, No impact! Come on boys, you’re all better than that.
Hoddle was playing 3 at the back from 98
Swap Allerdyce for King Kenny and I think you're good
Coleman has played under 9 different Everton Managers not 12, Duncan Ferguson, David Unsworth and Joe Royle were never permanent managers
I don’t necessarily disagree with the outcome, Wenger came in & changed so many things in the league… but other than when they moved his pic the first time, did they even say SAF’s name again, never mind have an actual proper discussion about his merits for the No 1 spot?
Wenger above Klopp? You guys are nuts. And you put Sir Bobby WHERE?