When we learned this method in second grade at Catholic School I remember doing WEEKS of the line and circle drills. The nuns said it helps to connect the mind, eyes and hand. Lines need to be tighter and an infinite number of pages of tight loops and tight strokes before even one letter is done. Then pages and pages of one letter before moving to the next one. New letters added and ones mastered honed more. We spent an entire half year doing drills before moving to formal use of the technique in regular studies. How the pen is held affects the angle of the letters and also helps to reduce tiring of the muscles in the hand. Also angles the nib to the page correctly by using the actual Palmer hand’s pen position. Poster and the arm to the desk relationship matters. Remembering that SPACE is as essential as the letters themselves. Also Palmer was a stickler for letter hugging the base-line. Being graded helps hone the method. I loved learning this method. It gave me the Foundation to learning every new script/method after it. On occasion, before Covid, I taught private lessons to small groups interested in learning to improve their penmanship. I miss those days. Tails of word endings must always go upwards. No flailing in this method. Discipline was the rule. Though I must say that my grandmother started teaching me Spencerian when I was 5 because I showed passionate interest in it. I think I was born a Scribe by nature, as I learned to print by age 2, and I continue to learn more writing methods/techniques in various languages now. But, Palmer’s method is a Foundation to all those you are presented with. Enjoy the process. Well worth the time. Thanks for the memory revisit. Write on!
I learned how to write cursive in grade school using the Palmer method. We were also taught with fountain pens specifically the Sheaffer Student fountain pen. Nice video and thanks for the link to the pdf.
I have been following your channel for a long time and have learned quite a bit from watching your videos on TH-cam. There are a lot of people out there with beautiful handwriting but yours is the best. From the moment I saw your writing, I was completely blown away! I will keep watching your videos because each time I do, I learn something new. Thank you ever so much. JRA 😻👍
In my opinion, you have the most beautiful handwriting among the followers of the Palmer Method. Even considering that you allow movement with your hand, not just with your hand.
This method was taught to us in elementary school by a lovely lady who popped in now and again. Then in high school Art Class I taught myself Calligraphy with a basic Speedball dip pen kit and bottle of India ink.
Funny first thing we do to 3rd world countries is to teach basics like reading, writing, arithmetic. Here in Canada many kids cannot do these basics with any sort of proficiency. Last time I wrote script on a note it was regarded as some sort of hieroglyph lol. The dumbing down is on purpose.
It's so awesome !!! I love and admire people who generously spread their arts. Thank you very much !!! God bless your art and you !!! Michel PS. If you don't believe in God, forgive me for my expression. I just meant nature's intelligence ... :)
I have one of those old Palmer books, but it's not "fancy enough". I prefer doing my "freestyle copperplate" using an oblique pen, Hunt Imperial 0 nib, and black ink!
Trying to find a fountain pen to use for the Palmer Method, i prefer a wet consistent pen. i have used the TWISBI ECO which basically fell apart due to the piston mechanism becoming loose. Can you recommend any with consistent ink flow and with a finer nib under $50 USD.
I really admire your dedication. If you could, mind sharing some tips on learning new letter variations? I'm at the end of The Art of Cursive Penmanship by Michael Sull, and there are a ton of stylized fancy capital letters. It's intimidating to learn them all.
Nobody would dare be allowed to use the third finger on the pen. Only thumb, leaning on inside of index finger, with the thumb and index finger tips holding the pen. The third finger was curled with the pen resting against it. If we were sloppy, we had a certain amount of pages of practice at home. Until it looked like the book examples.
I now and then sit with similar exercises. I try to get the right curves and connective strokes for the Spencerian writing, but it's not easy. Do you use wrist-hand movement, or do you do the entire arm movement described in these books? I'm trying to get the basic right and haven't even moved on to the business or decorative style. Your writing is very easy flowing and true to the script.
@@somerandomperson467 I have improved a bit. The situation hasn't been ideal since I haven't had time to sit down and write a bit on a daily basis. If it's been a while, I have to practise strokes, do some cirles and ovals. Lately I have had too much work on me, but I continue to focus on Spencerian and Copperplate.
@@somerandomperson467 It is normal. It all depends upon the individual and amount of practice. To get the strokes right, slants, slants, ovals, etc. needs regular practice and upkeep. It does`t have to be a lot of time every day, even 5 or 10 minutes make a difference. We are all individuals, some seem to have very even accurate hand movements effortlessly. Decent Spencerian should not be too difficult, but more elaborate versions of it and flawless copperplate is a level up. Spencerian is a flowing, not very demanding style of writing, but it can be more decorative when needed.
Hi Schin, how do I know when I have practiced the oval drills correctly? I feel like despite doing these drills, my ovals are still crap. Also, it takes me a few revolutions to get it to the oval state that I want. Sometimes it comes out as a circle or wobbly circle then a few revolutions later, I get an oval that I want. Then when I proceed to go make the O capital, the drills seem to have no effect. I get about 30% success rate and I have no idea why. The O at the bottom seem to be pointy. I also find pushing up on ovals with arm movement super difficult.
You're drawing the ovals clockwise and then drawing the letters counterclockwise. Do you understand why the ovals are drawn before drawing the letters?
looks like any other cursive "r" here, but just had an argument with my wife where she said she learned a different shape of lower case "r" not shown here. I'm confused.
Does anyone else have issues with the video and audio not syncing up right and the video being choppy? I have never noticed this in the previous videos of hers that I watched.
You can download the worksheet PDF of here: www.iampeth.com/pdf/palmer-method-business-writing The blank book is made by my friend Kalo: kalomakeart.com/
There are a couple of kindle versions. The photographs of proper position are terrible in the cheapest kindle version but you can look at the PDF online to see the photographs and use the kindle version just to have a reference of the drills and lessons.
Hi! Just discovered your channel and have instantly become your fan. Am 54, but it is never too late too learn BTW do you have a Twitter account where one can ask questions and clear doubts?
chère prf comment est ce que l'encre reste sur la plume durant l'ècriture de au moins trois mots; parce que l'encre se termine sur ma plume après écrire seulement deux lettres du mot .. d'autre part est ce que vous pouvez traduire vos leçons en français .. Merci bien
And you move the paper, not your arm. Clearly you are fantastic, but would you be on an entirely u touchable level if you used the techniques Palmer recommend?
@@OpenInkStand thank god. I've been struggling with this whole arm movement thing. and find it super difficult with a thicker book. good to know that you can break out when it makes sense.
@@L4v4molly I always wondered if she writes with her fingers or arm as books says or combo I still can't figure it but her writing is at another level So I keep coming here
@@sudir_ebi likewise I wondered. But she does show some wrist movement and then full arm movement for major strokes. You can say she created her own style to her comfort.
When we learned this method in second grade at Catholic School I remember doing WEEKS of the line and circle drills. The nuns said it helps to connect the mind, eyes and hand.
Lines need to be tighter and an infinite number of pages of tight loops and tight strokes before even one letter is done. Then pages and pages of one letter before moving to the next one. New letters added and ones mastered honed more. We spent an entire half year doing drills before moving to formal use of the technique in regular studies. How the pen is held affects the angle of the letters and also helps to reduce tiring of the muscles in the hand. Also angles the nib to the page correctly by using the actual Palmer hand’s pen position. Poster and the arm to the desk relationship matters.
Remembering that SPACE is as essential as the letters themselves. Also Palmer was a stickler for letter hugging the base-line. Being graded helps hone the method.
I loved learning this method. It gave me the Foundation to learning every new script/method after it.
On occasion, before Covid, I taught private lessons to small groups interested in learning to improve their penmanship. I miss those days.
Tails of word endings must always go upwards. No flailing in this method. Discipline was the rule.
Though I must say that my grandmother started teaching me Spencerian when I was 5 because I showed passionate interest in it. I think I was born a Scribe by nature, as I learned to print by age 2, and I continue to learn more writing methods/techniques in various languages now.
But, Palmer’s method is a Foundation to all those you are presented with. Enjoy the process. Well worth the time. Thanks for the memory revisit. Write on!
Monsieur Dignard, Could we talk about how to learn the Spencerian penmanship that you were taught by your grandmother?
THIS IS THE METHOD WE LEARNED AND USED IN CATHOLIC SCHOOL
I also attended Catholic school and the first thing the nuns taught us was how to hold a pen correctly.
Totally…..such a loss that Public Schools do not teach this. See my post.
That’s beautiful! Thank you for sharing. I don’t know which method to learn and may just learn this one as I am Catholic
I learned how to write cursive in grade school using the Palmer method. We were also taught with fountain pens specifically the Sheaffer Student fountain pen. Nice video and thanks for the link to the pdf.
Just a point, when you talk its a much more enjoyable ASMR. You have a wonderful calm and relaxing voice :-)
it's true. Your voice is almost hypnotic
I have been following your channel for a long time and have learned quite a bit from watching your videos on TH-cam. There are a lot of people out there with beautiful handwriting but yours is the best. From the moment I saw your writing, I was completely blown away! I will keep watching your videos because each time I do, I learn something new. Thank you ever so much. JRA 😻👍
In my opinion, you have the most beautiful handwriting among the followers of the Palmer Method. Even considering that you allow movement with your hand, not just with your hand.
I'm impressed by the quality of your content.
This method was taught to us in elementary school by a lovely lady who popped in now and again. Then in high school Art Class I taught myself Calligraphy with a basic Speedball dip pen kit and bottle of India ink.
Funny first thing we do to 3rd world countries is to teach basics like reading, writing, arithmetic.
Here in Canada many kids cannot do these basics with any sort of proficiency. Last time I wrote script on a note it was regarded as some sort of hieroglyph lol. The dumbing down is on purpose.
It's so awesome !!!
I love and admire people who generously spread their arts.
Thank you very much !!!
God bless your art and you !!!
Michel
PS.
If you don't believe in God, forgive me for my expression.
I just meant nature's intelligence ... :)
I have one of those old Palmer books, but it's not "fancy enough". I prefer doing my "freestyle copperplate" using an oblique pen, Hunt Imperial 0 nib, and black ink!
Trying to find a fountain pen to use for the Palmer Method, i prefer a wet consistent pen. i have used the TWISBI ECO which basically fell apart due to the piston mechanism becoming loose. Can you recommend any with consistent ink flow and with a finer nib under $50 USD.
Have you ever tried Clairfontaine ‘French lined’ paper? It has helped me a lot. Writing letters I use onion skin paper over a French lined template.
Wait, they make paper out of onion skin? xD
Amazing cursive you have !!!!
Very useful for me and infact for all who want to learn
I really admire your dedication. If you could, mind sharing some tips on learning new letter variations? I'm at the end of The Art of Cursive Penmanship by Michael Sull, and there are a ton of stylized fancy capital letters. It's intimidating to learn them all.
That's a great book! Just try them and pick a few that you like. You don't have to use or memorize them all. Variations are just suggestions.
Brava !!
Nobody would dare be allowed to use the third finger on the pen. Only thumb, leaning on inside of index finger, with the thumb and index finger tips holding the pen. The third finger was curled with the pen resting against it. If we were sloppy, we had a certain amount of pages of practice at home. Until it looked like the book examples.
GREAT VIDEO!
Yey! You're back!
I now and then sit with similar exercises. I try to get the right curves and connective strokes for the Spencerian writing, but it's not easy. Do you use wrist-hand movement, or do you do the entire arm movement described in these books? I'm trying to get the basic right and haven't even moved on to the business or decorative style. Your writing is very easy flowing and true to the script.
I’m glad that I’m not the only one struggling. How’s the progress so far?
@@somerandomperson467 I have improved a bit. The situation hasn't been ideal since I haven't had time to sit down and write a bit on a daily basis. If it's been a while, I have to practise strokes, do some cirles and ovals. Lately I have had too much work on me, but I continue to focus on Spencerian and Copperplate.
@@turtlefromthenorth
I don’t know if I’m just slow at learning, but is it normal for it to take a while to get good or decent at Spencerian?
@@somerandomperson467 It is normal. It all depends upon the individual and amount of practice. To get the strokes right, slants, slants, ovals, etc. needs regular practice and upkeep. It does`t have to be a lot of time every day, even 5 or 10 minutes make a difference. We are all individuals, some seem to have very even accurate hand movements effortlessly. Decent Spencerian should not be too difficult, but more elaborate versions of it and flawless copperplate is a level up. Spencerian is a flowing, not very demanding style of writing, but it can be more decorative when needed.
She's an expert in ornamental penmanship. So she uses what she knows
Thanks ❤️❤️❤️ it was very helpful 😊
love🥰
Hi Schin, how do I know when I have practiced the oval drills correctly? I feel like despite doing these drills, my ovals are still crap. Also, it takes me a few revolutions to get it to the oval state that I want. Sometimes it comes out as a circle or wobbly circle then a few revolutions later, I get an oval that I want. Then when I proceed to go make the O capital, the drills seem to have no effect. I get about 30% success rate and I have no idea why. The O at the bottom seem to be pointy. I also find pushing up on ovals with arm movement super difficult.
Slow down a bit... the lines were more difficult for me though
39:17 I
18:52 M N
25:45 L
55:30 S
59:30 P
59:45 R
You're drawing the ovals clockwise and then drawing the letters counterclockwise. Do you understand why the ovals are drawn before drawing the letters?
Need Palmer book for 9 year old....not teen or business....I learned with nuns too...Any suggestions????!!!
Link for PDF file doesn't work anymore, any mirror? Thanks!
Maravilloso.
how long does it take to learn this way of writing?
49:20 (to help me write the r)
looks like any other cursive "r" here, but just had an argument with my wife where she said she learned a different shape of lower case "r" not shown here. I'm confused.
Does anyone else have issues with the video and audio not syncing up right and the video being choppy? I have never noticed this in the previous videos of hers that I watched.
Great tutorial! I need to practice. Is that book still awailabke? What paper is it you use here please? Thank you! Stay safe!
You can download the worksheet PDF of here: www.iampeth.com/pdf/palmer-method-business-writing
The blank book is made by my friend Kalo: kalomakeart.com/
@@OpenInkStand
Thank you so much! 😀👍
Thank you!!!
There are a couple of kindle versions. The photographs of proper position are terrible in the cheapest kindle version but you can look at the PDF online to see the photographs and use the kindle version just to have a reference of the drills and lessons.
@@carolmelancon
Thank you for the information. 👍
So good. Thank you. This is really useful to me. ~ \😃😄/
I thought Palmer method didn’t use movement in the fingers or wrist but pivots at the forearm.
That's true but you do not see as much movement while she does it.. Look at how she glides the hand across
Manic but dedicated
Hello, Can I learn the dimensions of the book? I will also print out from the pdf version. Could you measure the book if I would like?
Hi! Just discovered your channel and have instantly become your fan. Am 54, but it is never too late too learn BTW do you have a Twitter account where one can ask questions and clear doubts?
Sorry I do not use Twitter... it's never too late to learn, you can do it!
I dunno. The way you write makes me want to speak French. 😂
chère prf comment est ce que l'encre reste sur la plume durant l'ècriture de au moins trois mots; parce que l'encre se termine sur ma plume après écrire seulement deux lettres du mot .. d'autre part est ce que vous pouvez traduire vos leçons en français .. Merci bien
Remember doing this as a kid with a shitty gel pen ruining all the pages with the ink lol
Thank you for your videos. just a bit ruined by the background noise.(I hope I don't sound rude).
Thanks again, bye
3:02
Can’t argue with results but your fingers should not be moving at all.
And you move the paper, not your arm. Clearly you are fantastic, but would you be on an entirely u touchable level if you used the techniques Palmer recommend?
I think I would use more arm movement if I wasn't using a thick book that was kinda obstructive to my movements..
@@OpenInkStand thank god. I've been struggling with this whole arm movement thing. and find it super difficult with a thicker book. good to know that you can break out when it makes sense.
Based on other videos I’ve watched, you aren’t holding your pen correctly…….you are misleading all the beginners…….
She's also not using the muscular movement. But she's only doing the drills. Those that study should do as the book says anyway.
@@L4v4molly I always wondered if she writes with her fingers or arm as books says or combo
I still can't figure it but her writing is at another level
So I keep coming here
@@sudir_ebi likewise I wondered.
But she does show some wrist movement and then full arm movement for major strokes. You can say she created her own style to her comfort.
@@L4v4molly she writes at God speed too
@@sudir_ebi yeah... I'm trying to achieve the beauty and the speed like her.
Too far away! Can't see your writing clearly!!!