'Loaded bones will snap much easier', is an observation I have seen on many occasions. Human thigh bones that are stomping on the brakes during a high speed collision snap very frequently. It is one way to help determine who was driving when both front seat occupants are subsequently ejected.
I think it's the steering wheel as an obstruction that causes the femur of the driver to snap. Your legs aren't meant to bend the way they have to when a driver is ejected during a collision. There's not a much of an obstruction in the passengers seat.
@@PersonalBestOutdoors it is not the steering wheel or both legs would snap. I have observed no indication of contact with the steering wheel in the cases I investigated, many dislocated knees and elbows in passengers that braced, but not broken femurs, on the drivers it is always the braking leg that snaps, usually the right in automatic transmission vehicles
I heard a long time ago that drunk drivers that crash usually don't get hurt as bad because they were so relaxed on impact. I don't know if that's true but it was from a guy that studied car accidents for his job, or he was an EMT, i forget which it was.
@@ArchersAnonymous-nb4ym plenty of them die, some take out others as well. There is some truth to being "less hurt" by being unaware of the impending crash, but it truly cannot be studied. I have awakened drunks that were miles from anywhere, some had parked in the middle of highways, some soft landed down embankments, and they asked me, "Why are you in my driveway?"
I love sparking up a cigar and listening to this because it's like I'm there with Dr. Ed and Ranch Fairy enjoying a cigar over a great discussion. Keep em coming!
At 26 minutes ed talks about the compromise between edge “ sharpness” and the mechanical advantage of the angle of the blade. You can get a really sharp blade that starts off thin, but you’ll have sharpen it frequently. So they are opposing goals of a long bevel to aid in splitting bone vs strength of material of the broadhead. Beautiful concept, it’s all a balance
@@RanchFairy agreed that broadheads need to be sharpened after use/ going through an animal. what data would be useful/ presented in a way that would be helpful?
Bones are dynamic unless loaded. In a stunt where the stunt person is hit by a car they jump just before impact to become dynamic, the force is transferred to movement. If they are standing the force goes through them to ground. Love the content! Have built myself 'adult' arrows
I would love to see some of Edd's archery equipment, some of his older bow and arrows his current gear, it wouldn't matter it would be a popular ether way I'm sure
My hunting doesn't really support shooting arrows over 460 grains. But, I firmly support the Ashby foundation and admire what Troy is doing with Ed. Get as many of these videos as you can!!!
I’ve been saying this for years. You need to know how far it goes in to know what’s “efficient”. I’ve been reducing weight for the last 3 seasons now and still getting pass throughs. This year is the scary test seeing how I’m down to 427 grains and I have a fixed and a mechanical in my quiver. The woods I’m hunting 30 yards is as far as I can shoot.
Iam trying to retaliate all this info to my crossbow it shoots real fast but that being multiplied by 4 on restricted is mind blowing I know equal and obiset force on impact, the very sharp 3 to 1 mech advantage ĺ has to be the only way to go in the real world thanks. MR ED AND TROY THANK YALL.
I tested my arrows yesterday and i had several out serts that were bent and wobbling. Now ive shot the arrows alot, and missed the targets before. Now they make the arrow stronger but they bend.
Something I thought of as I looked at the data sheet. The Tuffhead 300gr had great penetration (pass through). They have a longer cutting edge and a huge mechanical advantage. Does mechanical advantage have a limit? It clearly creates better penetration, but does it trade off tissue damage due to a narrower cutting width? One of the 12 factors is a 3:1 mechanical advantage. Were any 4:1 or 5:1 broadheads looked at? It would be great if Sirius would start making those 300gr tuffheads again! I have the 400gr dangerous game, but 300gr seems to be the sweet spot. I can get my arrows around 660-680 without taking away the structural integrity of the insert.
The bottom line is there are too many variables to say that any one thing is the best thing. The "best thing" in one instance, will be substandard in another instance. I have shot animals with mechanical broadheads that didn't pass through that have ran shorter distances than animals I have put a fixed blade through the heart and both lungs. I can only theorize that the animals with the opened mechanical broadhead experienced more trauma due to having a large expanded blade lodged in their tissue. I have also had shots with mechanicals that didn't pass through, and because of the angle, they were extremely difficult to blood trail. One in particular ran 160yrds. Single lung top down shot, sliced the ventricle. A fixed blade would have been better in that situation, I think, because it would have more than likely passed through, and blood trailed better. The mechanical was poking the hide of the underside of the chest. What I've learned is in thick brush or places where trailing will be difficult, I'm choosing whichever tool will create the greatest best chance for blood trailing. And my experiences have shown e that a proper mechanical is that tool, and I choose Sevr's for that. In situations where I'll have more challenging shot angles, I'm choosing the tool that will provide me with the greatest likelihood of a passthrough and is least affected by bones- a fixed blade. And I choose Toughheads for that.
Go happy medium and you can’t go wrong , go light and you’ll deflect on occasion , go too heavy and only a 1’ matters . Stick with 480 -500 gr arrow and you own the field
I’m curious why you guys don’t talk about the structural integrity of a tapered shaft arrow vs just a straight shaft arrow? I believe having a tapered shaft arrow is one of the 12 factors but it never gets discussed.
Question? Dr. Ed said 100% pass through rate with the perfect 12 factor arrow. Is this just through ribcage, or does this include heavy bones. Like 100% pass through, through both heavy bones in the front shoulder?
Hey ranch fairy i need help i cant seem to get my arrows flying where i want them to go took it to get tuned paper an they said it looked good but im new to bow hunting been watching alot of ya videos and subscribe 😅 i need help
th-cam.com/video/EtLx_PWO9zs/w-d-xo.html Where Target Archer and not "real" hunter Chris Bee shoots a Water Buffalo and it doesn't go down despite being burried up to the fletching. He used a 440 and by his own admission the Outfitter was supprised. He used the near pass through as justification that it "was the right arrow" to harvest the animal. This is not unlike using a .17 Hornaday or 22 MAG to harvest a deer. Sure you can... but your shot placement will matter so much more. It's stupid and unethical.
If RF makes money from ads on YT... AND a G5 commercial comes up while watching the video..... Does that count as "being supported by the industry" ? Keep it up, we will need this data... the anti-hunting community are actively taking away your rights, history and culture as a hunter.
Yes. We take all test shots within 30 minutes of the animal's expiration. Early on, test data indicated that shots taken after more than 45 minutes of the animal's expiration showed a noticeable difference in outcomes. To minimize any effect from rigor mortice, we set the maximum time limit for testing at 30 minutes. This time limit has been in place in the testing protocols since 1987.
No pressure, but do you know how the archery community would freak out if RF went and killed, ethically, a cape Buffalo with a 12 factor arrow. Following the Chris "twit" Bee incident!
The stupid thing on the CB vid was his first shot on the 'pin cushion' was a good shot on the 'sweet spot', I saw another vid where a guy hit the same spot & the Buff went 50 odd meters & dropped, whereas C saw it move & kept flinging arrows at it, once the optimum side shot was gone his arrows had a hard time penetrating, as far as RF taking a Cape Buffalo, absolutely no reason he won't, he'll have the arrow & bow weight for that game size sorted.
@RanchFairy Whew! At that rate, we just might have to be satisfied knowing you're right for a while. I'd love to see it nonetheless. I've got a new fun piece of terminology for you. I've taken to referring to the popular market 100g broadheads as having Exacto knife blades. I think that's an original thought. Feel free to use.
To put it simply a pass through means no significant structures were encountered going through the animal. The best data comes from when the arrow makes contact with something like bone. That's the only way to see what it's really capable of in a real world situation. And it WILL happen.
'Loaded bones will snap much easier', is an observation I have seen on many occasions. Human thigh bones that are stomping on the brakes during a high speed collision snap very frequently. It is one way to help determine who was driving when both front seat occupants are subsequently ejected.
I think it's the steering wheel as an obstruction that causes the femur of the driver to snap. Your legs aren't meant to bend the way they have to when a driver is ejected during a collision. There's not a much of an obstruction in the passengers seat.
@@PersonalBestOutdoors it is not the steering wheel or both legs would snap. I have observed no indication of contact with the steering wheel in the cases I investigated, many dislocated knees and elbows in passengers that braced, but not broken femurs, on the drivers it is always the braking leg that snaps, usually the right in automatic transmission vehicles
I heard a long time ago that drunk drivers that crash usually don't get hurt as bad because they were so relaxed on impact. I don't know if that's true but it was from a guy that studied car accidents for his job, or he was an EMT, i forget which it was.
@@ArchersAnonymous-nb4ym plenty of them die, some take out others as well.
There is some truth to being "less hurt" by being unaware of the impending crash, but it truly cannot be studied. I have awakened drunks that were miles from anywhere, some had parked in the middle of highways, some soft landed down embankments, and they asked me, "Why are you in my driveway?"
Best two sources in bow hunting. Thank you both and good hunting gentleman.
I love sparking up a cigar and listening to this because it's like I'm there with Dr. Ed and Ranch Fairy enjoying a cigar over a great discussion. Keep em coming!
Facts. They are both really educated on the topic and seem like fun to be around.
Love this series of videos troy. Good job ed at breaking it all down too
At 26 minutes ed talks about the compromise between edge “ sharpness” and the mechanical advantage of the angle of the blade. You can get a really sharp blade that starts off thin, but you’ll have sharpen it frequently. So they are opposing goals of a long bevel to aid in splitting bone vs strength of material of the broadhead. Beautiful concept, it’s all a balance
@@mattp9574
Send DATA to us.
Broadheads are a one trip deal. Then they have to be resharpend
@@RanchFairy agreed that broadheads need to be sharpened after use/ going through an animal. what data would be useful/ presented in a way that would be helpful?
Bones are dynamic unless loaded. In a stunt where the stunt person is hit by a car they jump just before impact to become dynamic, the force is transferred to movement. If they are standing the force goes through them to ground. Love the content! Have built myself 'adult' arrows
@@crasht8
That will make you say “oof”
Great job on another Dr. Ed discussion!
The smartest thing I did was put plumber tape on the broadhead like Troy was saying. If the head loosen up on impact it going affect the arrow.
I would love to see some of Edd's archery equipment, some of his older bow and arrows his current gear, it wouldn't matter it would be a popular ether way I'm sure
My hunting doesn't really support shooting arrows over 460 grains. But, I firmly support the Ashby foundation and admire what Troy is doing with Ed. Get as many of these videos as you can!!!
What’re you hunting? Cats in Australia?
@@jimmytillman206 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@jimmytillman206 I keep things in America. Alaskan Jack rabbits.
I’ve been saying this for years. You need to know how far it goes in to know what’s “efficient”. I’ve been reducing weight for the last 3 seasons now and still getting pass throughs. This year is the scary test seeing how I’m down to 427 grains and I have a fixed and a mechanical in my quiver. The woods I’m hunting 30 yards is as far as I can shoot.
very interesting and informative, thank you
Iam trying to retaliate all this info to my crossbow it shoots real fast but that being multiplied by 4 on restricted is mind blowing I know equal and obiset force on impact, the very sharp 3 to 1 mech advantage ĺ has to be the only way to go in the real world thanks. MR ED AND TROY THANK YALL.
I tested my arrows yesterday and i had several out serts that were bent and wobbling. Now ive shot the arrows alot, and missed the targets before. Now they make the arrow stronger but they bend.
If you've ever carried a live person vs a unconscious or dead person you know they always feel lighter while they are awake.
What happened to the Rocket Man when are we going to get Daryl Barnett to sit down in one of these podcasts
@@steelereels7500
He has taken a role with a company that manufactures metal.
Something I thought of as I looked at the data sheet. The Tuffhead 300gr had great penetration (pass through). They have a longer cutting edge and a huge mechanical advantage. Does mechanical advantage have a limit? It clearly creates better penetration, but does it trade off tissue damage due to a narrower cutting width? One of the 12 factors is a 3:1 mechanical advantage. Were any 4:1 or 5:1 broadheads looked at?
It would be great if Sirius would start making those 300gr tuffheads again! I have the 400gr dangerous game, but 300gr seems to be the sweet spot. I can get my arrows around 660-680 without taking away the structural integrity of the insert.
The bottom line is there are too many variables to say that any one thing is the best thing. The "best thing" in one instance, will be substandard in another instance. I have shot animals with mechanical broadheads that didn't pass through that have ran shorter distances than animals I have put a fixed blade through the heart and both lungs. I can only theorize that the animals with the opened mechanical broadhead experienced more trauma due to having a large expanded blade lodged in their tissue. I have also had shots with mechanicals that didn't pass through, and because of the angle, they were extremely difficult to blood trail. One in particular ran 160yrds. Single lung top down shot, sliced the ventricle. A fixed blade would have been better in that situation, I think, because it would have more than likely passed through, and blood trailed better. The mechanical was poking the hide of the underside of the chest.
What I've learned is in thick brush or places where trailing will be difficult, I'm choosing whichever tool will create the greatest best chance for blood trailing. And my experiences have shown e that a proper mechanical is that tool, and I choose Sevr's for that. In situations where I'll have more challenging shot angles, I'm choosing the tool that will provide me with the greatest likelihood of a passthrough and is least affected by bones- a fixed blade. And I choose Toughheads for that.
good stuff
That's why you use survival analysis to support the logistic regression. What kind of regression was used in the data analysis?
Idea for a study video
Same bow, arrow, and broadhead
Same medium shot into
Dull broadhead vs sharp using sharpness meter
Compare difference
Go happy medium and you can’t go wrong , go light and you’ll deflect on occasion , go too heavy and only a 1’ matters . Stick with 480 -500 gr arrow and you own the field
Have you been listening to the interviews? You've missed a lot.
I’m curious why you guys don’t talk about the structural integrity of a tapered shaft arrow vs just a straight shaft arrow? I believe having a tapered shaft arrow is one of the 12 factors but it never gets discussed.
Because it doesn’t affect the structural integrity.
See the tapered shaft update on our website. Stay tuned. We might have some tapered shaft structural integrity information in a month or so.
Question? Dr. Ed said 100% pass through rate with the perfect 12 factor arrow. Is this just through ribcage, or does this include heavy bones. Like 100% pass through, through both heavy bones in the front shoulder?
Yes, when I say a 100% outcome on any given factor, it includes ALL outcomes in the data.
@@OldDerelict What was the furthest distance that you tested up to? If/when did this 100% outcome change? 30yrds, 40yrds, 100yrds?
@@mitchelpeterson8073 All test shots are taken at a measured distance of 20 yards. This distance must be standardized in order to make comparisons.
@OldDerelict thank you Sir!
I don't bow hunt anymore, go Dr edd people don't understand how much this works with bullets
Ranch any tips for sharpening evo bloodrings?
@@bobalotb6760
I tilt them on the edge of the ring and on a rather smooth stone - LIGHT pressure
Just get them “pretty sharp”
Main blade - razor
36:21 "for whatever reason...." well, that's the nature of sensor ship. Make 1984 fiction again
Hey ranch fairy i need help i cant seem to get my arrows flying where i want them to go took it to get tuned paper an they said it looked good but im new to bow hunting been watching alot of ya videos and subscribe 😅 i need help
@@harleycolberg6758 troy@ranchfairy.com
Send your full current setup
Does Tuffhead make a double bevel broad head?
@@marcodevecchis8145 no
Ranch what video is doc talking about, I want to see it.
@@paulvega9893
One of the other Ed and RF videos I just posted
th-cam.com/video/EtLx_PWO9zs/w-d-xo.html Where Target Archer and not "real" hunter Chris Bee shoots a Water Buffalo and it doesn't go down despite being burried up to the fletching. He used a 440 and by his own admission the Outfitter was supprised. He used the near pass through as justification that it "was the right arrow" to harvest the animal. This is not unlike using a .17 Hornaday or 22 MAG to harvest a deer. Sure you can... but your shot placement will matter so much more. It's stupid and unethical.
Always informative thanks Guys! 😎🏹🦌🐗🫎🦬🐏🦓
If RF makes money from ads on YT... AND a G5 commercial comes up while watching the video..... Does that count as "being supported by the industry" ? Keep it up, we will need this data... the anti-hunting community are actively taking away your rights, history and culture as a hunter.
why did they stop making tuffheads? i know they make the 350 and the 400.
Does anyone know which Chris Bee video is being referred here?
@@jimmytillman206
Chris pulled it down due to the lack of performance and comments
Finally a first comment. 🤙
R u certain?
Ed, what the heck, man? Why isn't your shirt on backwards? I thought you were a trendsetter. 😂
Wearing a shirt backward might be trendsetting...he got your attention by not.
Can rigormortice play a role in dead animals?
Yes. We take all test shots within 30 minutes of the animal's expiration. Early on, test data indicated that shots taken after more than 45 minutes of the animal's expiration showed a noticeable difference in outcomes. To minimize any effect from rigor mortice, we set the maximum time limit for testing at 30 minutes. This time limit has been in place in the testing protocols since 1987.
@@african7498
How’s about that - Dr Ed himself!
No pressure, but do you know how the archery community would freak out if RF went and killed, ethically, a cape Buffalo with a 12 factor arrow. Following the Chris "twit" Bee incident!
The stupid thing on the CB vid was his first shot on the 'pin cushion' was a good shot on the 'sweet spot', I saw another vid where a guy hit the same spot & the Buff went 50 odd meters & dropped, whereas C saw it move & kept flinging arrows at it, once the optimum side shot was gone his arrows had a hard time penetrating, as far as RF taking a Cape Buffalo, absolutely no reason he won't, he'll have the arrow & bow weight for that game size sorted.
@@Iamme0007
Send me $10,000 and I will go
@RanchFairy Whew! At that rate, we just might have to be satisfied knowing you're right for a while. I'd love to see it nonetheless. I've got a new fun piece of terminology for you. I've taken to referring to the popular market 100g broadheads as having Exacto knife blades. I think that's an original thought. Feel free to use.
@@Iamme0007
“Sharp till they hit something!”
"627 animals is not huge sampling..."😮😂😂. More than any "Professional" Ive heard of...😂😂
For the Algorithm
this whole series will shut up the critics and if it doesn't, they just aren't smart enough to understand
@@JTFII
You’d think so. But first order critical thinking has been lost.
Third
2nd 😂
Trump2024
To put it simply a pass through means no significant structures were encountered going through the animal. The best data comes from when the arrow makes contact with something like bone. That's the only way to see what it's really capable of in a real world situation. And it WILL happen.