A sadly underrated gem. It's no wonder why Mahler thought so highly of his work. So many interesting textures and orchestral choices, plus it's pretty cool to hear all of the references Mahler made over his career (could even be a fun drinking game!).
This a remarkable work! So sad he died at age 25. How he would have matured and been blessed with his gifts for years to come. Genius and beauty together.
@@snowcarriagechengcheng-hun3454 Same, although most of Brahm's music isn't worth the paper it was printed on. Honestly, the vast majority of the world's most popular composers were competitive, narcissistic assholes and utterly despicable human beings. It's so sad to believe such an empty, evil man could write the opening measures to the G major violin Sonata, or the B Flat Piano Concerto.
Mahler mourned his death and said they were both fruits from the same tree. Mahler truly hit his stride in his late 20's, so we are left wondering what could have been with Rott. 😥
Rott and Mahler briefly roomed together...this symphony was written while Mahler was writing Das Klagende Lied. There are so many similarities in this to Mahler's 1st symphony, that I am sure Mahler had read over the score and taken some influences from it...as someone who has studied composition myself, some things are unmistakable, though I don't have a time machine!
The excellent Mahler-biography by Jens Malte Fischer explores this well, and if I remember correctly, Mahler is known to have studied this score later after Rott's death. And some themes and motives are almost too similar for this to be a conincidence. Like the trumpet motive from the finale of this symphony, and Mahlers second.
I've been a Mahler fan for 25 years and I just now discovered this and Rott in general. How did I not know?? Also, I do hear hints of Scriabin in this.
I love the timpani writing in this piece, I actually laughed out loud when I first heard the timpani barge in at 29:00 after the amazing contrapuntal section, simply incredible!
A musician of genius ... who died unrecognized and in want on the very threshold of his career. ... What music has lost in him cannot be estimated. Such is the height to which his genius soars in ... [his] , which he wrote as 20-year-old youth and makes him ... the Founder of the New Symphony as I see it. To be sure, what he wanted is not quite what he achieved. … But I know where he aims. Indeed, he is so near to my inmost self that he and I seem to me like two fruits from the same tree which the same soil has produced and the same air nourished. He could have meant infinitely much to me and perhaps the two of us would have well-nigh exhausted the content of new time which was breaking out for music. Gustav Mahler I also see from the Wikipedia article that Brahms opinion of the symphony was that Rott had no talent and should stop composing! But Tchaikovsky called Brahms a fourth-rate talent hardly worthy of mention...Wagner ripped on Brahms too, but Brahms liked Wagner's music, secretly...glad that the War of the Romantics is over, and we can just listen to the music!
It's sad to see these petty rivalries among people of genius. There's room for all! It reminds me of the same petty rivalry between 2 great Nobel prize winning physicists: Richard Feynman and Murray Gell-Mann.
I think Brahms' rejection shook Rott to the core. Rott was insecure and emotionally on the edge. He died several years later, age 25, after suffering from severe depression and TB. A real loss.
I have spent the past few months listening (yet again) to Mahler's entire output, and re-reading all the many books I have on him. Listening to (and following in the score - some fine orchestration) the Rott symphony is extremely interesting in that context - yes, clearly Mahler was impressed enough to use some of the material (consciously or not) in his own works: the first two symphonies, and even later works: the 4th movement of the Rott must surely have been in Mahler's mind when he was writing his 7th symphony (look at the warbling figures in the Rott, p.175 et seq.! Note for note): but Mahler apart, this is of course an accomplished and very enjoyable work in its own right: what a tragedy Rott died so young (same can be said of Mahler, of course: and of Hugo Wolf too, come to that). Rott perhaps just needed an 'Alma' to persuade the composer to edit down the percussion a bit. I'm all for a bit of triangle now and then, but here... well, enough said! Rott's love of Wagner shines through of course (and is it possible he knew Dvorak's music well enough to be influenced by it?). Thank you for uploading this (amazing to have the score) - I liked the video editing too, by the way, fading etc.! Very effective. (NB: there is some orchestral music of Hugo Wolf on TH-cam too - rare, and well worth listening to of course).
5:33 I wonder if Mahler remembered that when he composed the finale for symphony no.7. Besides, I was forwarded to this from the comments of Bruckner symphony no.7 and was shocked by how closely this resembles that.
Most of the comments highlight the similarity between the Scherzos of this Rott Symphony and Mahler's Titan. Well, I also see an enormous similarity in the treatment of the brass in pianissimo at the end of the Adagio of this Symphony, including the orchestral outburst that precedes it, with the end of Mahler's Adagio of the Third. And at the end of the Scherzo Trio from Rott's Symphony I also see some foreshadowing of the beginning of Mahler's Finale of the Resurrection.
In a way, Mahler reinterprets not only timbral passages but also structural schemes of this Rott Symphony in E Major, which are obvious even in his Fifth Symphony (especially in its formidable Scherzo). Starting with his Sixth Symphony, I think Mahler has already turned the page with respect to Rott, at least the timbral evidence and not to mention the structural ones, at most, can be coincidental. To Caesar what is Caesar's. But yes, Rott's shadow over Mahler was quite long.@@patrickstults3132
Interesting style. It is expansive, majestic and glorious. (Not sure if this is the right words) Reminds me of Wagner quite a lot. Pity he died so early, what he could have achieved later on
The middle section of the scherzo is one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard. Mahler basically absconded with Rott's style when he died in 1884. When Titan comes out in 1888, who was the wiser as Rott's score was unperformed until 1989. Mahler was a great admirer of Rott, but in my view he was virtually a plagarist when you hear the harmonic language, the orchestration, the expression and even the content itself. almost every one of Mahler's characteristic traits are evident here. Mahler was 8 years from completing his 1st symphonie. Just saying...talk about the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. Still Mahler did him proud...took off where Rott left off and made some earth shattering music.
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. I don't consider taking influences a bad thing, both composers styles are unique enough. To say this is plagiarism is a gross exaggeration
If you like this music you might also like Hugo Wolf‘s „Penthesilea“, Rudi Stephan‘s orchestral music, Zemlinsky‘s „Eine Florentinische Tragödie“, Schönberg‘s „Pelleas und Melisande“ and „Six Orchestral Songs op. 8“, Schreker‘s Chamber Symphony (1916) and Louis Spohr‘s symphonies. O, did I forget to mention Mahler?! No, I didn‘t.
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@@CK-kd5pn Come on, stop only taking in count the Symphonies! Mahler's Das Klagende Lied is from 1880, the same year. They were friends and lived in the same room. And if you listening Das Klagende Lied you'll heard that Mahler has already it's own style, Rott's one is much more closer stylistically to Wagner and Bruckner. Tired of seeing always the same false comments everywhere on this symphony.
@@rossini9mozart10 Mahler and Rott lived together briefly during their studies, Rott graduated in 1878 and had the first movement of this symphony ready by then, we know this because he submitted it to a commission awarding prizes for composition students, which included his teacher Bruckner, who was very supportive of the work - unlike the other members. While the style of orchestration used by Hans Rott might be closer to Bruckner and Wagner's than that of Mahler (is it though?) they employed highly similar composition styles and there's passages in here which are literally mimicked by Mahler in his symphonies. Rott was 2 years older and had finished a significant amount of orchestral music prior to 1878, including a symphony for strings, 2 overtures, and a suite, as well as several works which remained unfinished, so to me it's clear who influenced who.
Recently a friend introduced me to this symphony by playing the opening build-up and climax. I told him with all seriousness that I would be emotionally satisfied if the piece simply ended there, by which I mean the sudden C major chord is replaced with an E major chord where it would end. While I don’t mean that the rest of the symphony isn’t awesome, I wasn’t kidding.
@@benrubin8624 That's exactly what I thought when I compared these 3 pieces the first time. Brahms "quoted" Beethoven. Rott "quoted" Brahms (& Beethoven). If I was Brahms, I'd feel honoured by this. Apart from this, Rott made several references to music of his predecessors in this symphony anyway, especially in the 3rd movement.
@@rossini9mozart10 please read Rotts biography, they were no close friends and this symphony was created from 1778-1880. Mahler is it who took ideas from this symphony later and said they're fruits from the same tree when he did read this score after Rotts death
What you mean is that you prefer this music to that of Brahms, fair enough. However your statement is foolish and not well informed. Sure Brahms was stupid to write this young man off as a serious composer, that didn’t do him any favours.
Brahms' assessment of this work was wrong, as it in fact was a masterpiece, but so is your statement. The 2nd piano concerto, the violin concerto, the 4 symphonies, and the Deutsches Requiem are all among the greatest works ever composed. Brahms was, due to his conservatism, a polarising figure, but one should not forget that a. he was not alone (many German and Austrian composers rejected the Neue deutsche Schule of Wagner, Liszt and Bruckner) and b. it was not his fault that Hans Rott was prone to mental illness and not able to handle harsh criticism and c. what would he have expected from the composer most vehemently opposed to the musical style of his own teacher and stylistic forebearer? Brahms bears 0 responsibility for Rott's untimely death. It was TB that killed him, and it wasn't even Brahms' fault that he had a mental breakdown leading to his institutionalisation, as normal people would be able to deal with harsh criticism or at the very least not seek it out on purpose by submitting a radically innovative work to a composer known for his musical conservatism.
I said what I said. The beginning of this symphony is so naturally beautiful, something Brahms couldn’t achieve in any of his works. All of his qualities are theoretic, but there is no real flow of soul.
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A sadly underrated gem. It's no wonder why Mahler thought so highly of his work. So many interesting textures and orchestral choices, plus it's pretty cool to hear all of the references Mahler made over his career (could even be a fun drinking game!).
Very, very underrated. This masterpiece of music should be performed way more nowadays.
This a remarkable work! So sad he died at age 25. How he would have matured and been blessed with his gifts for years to come. Genius and beauty together.
Brahms was very harsh with this young gentleman and told him that he couldn't compose. He was so wrong.
There's no doubt that J. Brahms fucking murdered a young genius with his fucking words; I have changed my view to him.
@@snowcarriagechengcheng-hun3454 But never mix the art and the artist.
@@porkyminch5131 Thanks for your kind reminder. Strangely I still can't deny/reject all of J. Brahms' music.
@@snowcarriagechengcheng-hun3454 Same, although most of Brahm's music isn't worth the paper it was printed on. Honestly, the vast majority of the world's most popular composers were competitive, narcissistic assholes and utterly despicable human beings. It's so sad to believe such an empty, evil man could write the opening measures to the G major violin Sonata, or the B Flat Piano Concerto.
@@erika6651Schubert wasn't, Bruch wasn't, many others weren't
The greatest “undiscovered” symphony of all time. What could have been if Rott lived longer…
Mahler mourned his death and said they were both fruits from the same tree. Mahler truly hit his stride in his late 20's, so we are left wondering what could have been with Rott. 😥
That beginning sounds like a warm blanket being put over the whole world.
Magnificent. Transcendent. Utterly masterful. Let us encourage others to hear his music.
The ten seconds after 16:23 always blows my mind. So ahead of it's time!
Reminds me of the climax of Mahler 10 adagio
Rott and Mahler briefly roomed together...this symphony was written while Mahler was writing Das Klagende Lied. There are so many similarities in this to Mahler's 1st symphony, that I am sure Mahler had read over the score and taken some influences from it...as someone who has studied composition myself, some things are unmistakable, though I don't have a time machine!
The excellent Mahler-biography by Jens Malte Fischer explores this well, and if I remember correctly, Mahler is known to have studied this score later after Rott's death. And some themes and motives are almost too similar for this to be a conincidence. Like the trumpet motive from the finale of this symphony, and Mahlers second.
@@arwedrv7125 I'm not so familiar with Mahler to recognize the themes and motifs but I recognize the harmonic similarities.
I'm sure having studied composition helps you to get deep into the topic. But to hear the influences one only needs to listen.
If only Hans Rott lived a successful life like Mahler did...
@@Wandelbart Absolutely!
2023 and still listening to this masterpiece quasi-nonstop! Severly underrated symphony. Currently my favourite without question.
I've been a Mahler fan for 25 years and I just now discovered this and Rott in general. How did I not know?? Also, I do hear hints of Scriabin in this.
I love the timpani writing in this piece, I actually laughed out loud when I first heard the timpani barge in at 29:00 after the amazing contrapuntal section, simply incredible!
A musician of genius ... who died unrecognized and
in want on the very threshold of his career. ... What music has lost in
him cannot be estimated. Such is the height to which his genius soars
in ... [his] , which he wrote as 20-year-old
youth and makes him ... the Founder of the New Symphony as I see it. To
be sure, what he wanted is not quite what he achieved. … But I know
where he aims. Indeed, he is so near to my inmost self that he and I
seem to me like two fruits from the same tree which the same soil has
produced and the same air nourished. He could have meant infinitely much
to me and perhaps the two of us would have well-nigh exhausted the
content of new time which was breaking out for music.
Gustav Mahler
I also see from the Wikipedia article that Brahms opinion of the symphony was that Rott had no talent and should stop composing! But Tchaikovsky called Brahms a fourth-rate talent hardly worthy of mention...Wagner ripped on Brahms too, but Brahms liked Wagner's music, secretly...glad that the War of the Romantics is over, and we can just listen to the music!
It's sad to see these petty rivalries among people of genius. There's room for all! It reminds me of the same petty rivalry between 2 great Nobel prize winning physicists: Richard Feynman and Murray Gell-Mann.
I think Brahms' rejection shook Rott to the core. Rott was insecure and emotionally on the edge. He died several years later, age 25, after suffering from severe depression and TB. A real loss.
cant get enough of that first movement.
Amazing 🤠👍🙏
17:30 Amazing… a glowing Bruckneresque coda! 🙏
24:00 Like Mahler’s Ressurrection!
38:15 Game of Thrones! 😄
RE: Ressurrection: Only written over a decade earlier!
Remember, this came before Mahler’s symphonies. A shame the composer passed away so young…
Great work. Great composer. Thumbs up. Hats off....
I have spent the past few months listening (yet again) to Mahler's entire output, and re-reading all the many books I have on him. Listening to (and following in the score - some fine orchestration) the Rott symphony is extremely interesting in that context - yes, clearly Mahler was impressed enough to use some of the material (consciously or not) in his own works: the first two symphonies, and even later works: the 4th movement of the Rott must surely have been in Mahler's mind when he was writing his 7th symphony (look at the warbling figures in the Rott, p.175 et seq.! Note for note): but Mahler apart, this is of course an accomplished and very enjoyable work in its own right: what a tragedy Rott died so young (same can be said of Mahler, of course: and of Hugo Wolf too, come to that). Rott perhaps just needed an 'Alma' to persuade the composer to edit down the percussion a bit. I'm all for a bit of triangle now and then, but here... well, enough said! Rott's love of Wagner shines through of course (and is it possible he knew Dvorak's music well enough to be influenced by it?).
Thank you for uploading this (amazing to have the score) - I liked the video editing too, by the way, fading etc.! Very effective. (NB: there is some orchestral music of Hugo Wolf on TH-cam too - rare, and well worth listening to of course).
5:33 I wonder if Mahler remembered that when he composed the finale for symphony no.7. Besides, I was forwarded to this from the comments of Bruckner symphony no.7 and was shocked by how closely this resembles that.
7:50 One of the best things ever written!
It kills me that he died so young.
Absolutely agree. This part gives me goosebumps every time.
It's a shame he was taken so young, this is amazing
This part sounds very brucknerian.
Indeed!! So beautiful!! If I saw a live performance of this symphony I would have cried!!
One of the most tragic composers.
WOW is all I can say.... A TRUE MASTERPIECE. ♥♥♥
27:46 - 28:22. Genius.
I do love the "e" at 29.25 in the violins, and especially the repetition in 29.29 !! Some conductors don't want it to be repeated, so thanks to Järvi!
Ah yes one of my favorite symphonies of all time
Je m'en lasserai jamais! Merci Hans...
16:20 amazing moment
19:13 wow, this scherzo really sounds like Mahler symphonies
Thank you for putting this out with a score. It is a pain in the posterior to get a hold of it physically, and it isn't on imslp.
Un verdadero maestro de su arte.
MY favourite symphony nothing else compares in my view
28:27 reminds me of Mahler's 5th Symphony (third movement).
19:23 Mahler’s first symphony
Thanks for posting this video! I love this symphony (^: I hope more people will know Hans
Thank you so much for posting! An extraordinary piece!
Most of the comments highlight the similarity between the Scherzos of this Rott Symphony and Mahler's Titan. Well, I also see an enormous similarity in the treatment of the brass in pianissimo at the end of the Adagio of this Symphony, including the orchestral outburst that precedes it, with the end of Mahler's Adagio of the Third. And at the end of the Scherzo Trio from Rott's Symphony I also see some foreshadowing of the beginning of Mahler's Finale of the Resurrection.
Mahler obviously used this piece as a blue print for just about everything he wrote.
In a way, Mahler reinterprets not only timbral passages but also structural schemes of this Rott Symphony in E Major, which are obvious even in his Fifth Symphony (especially in its formidable Scherzo). Starting with his Sixth Symphony, I think Mahler has already turned the page with respect to Rott, at least the timbral evidence and not to mention the structural ones, at most, can be coincidental. To Caesar what is Caesar's. But yes, Rott's shadow over Mahler was quite long.@@patrickstults3132
Eine Triangel-Sinfonie. :D
4:38 ... Meistersinger anyone?
Yeah.
Yess
Yes.
I was looking foward to this score.
Interesting style. It is expansive, majestic and glorious. (Not sure if this is the right words) Reminds me of Wagner quite a lot. Pity he died so early, what he could have achieved later on
I am getting Mahler 2 vibes in that Scherzo
We can also hear echoes of the scherzo of the 5 ° and also harmonies of the 7 °
More Mahler 5
It's more the other way around...
@@kahaake This was composed before anything Mahler wrote
@@bennyksmusicalworld No, he wrote Das klagende Lied from 1878 to 1880, and several other works before that.
The middle section of the scherzo is one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard. Mahler basically absconded with Rott's style when he died in 1884. When Titan comes out in 1888, who was the wiser as Rott's score was unperformed until 1989. Mahler was a great admirer of Rott, but in my view he was virtually a plagarist when you hear the harmonic language, the orchestration, the expression and even the content itself. almost every one of Mahler's characteristic traits are evident here. Mahler was 8 years from completing his 1st symphonie. Just saying...talk about the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. Still Mahler did him proud...took off where Rott left off and made some earth shattering music.
Well Mahler himself showered praise on Rott and did say that their approach to music was basically the exact same
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. I don't consider taking influences a bad thing, both composers styles are unique enough. To say this is plagiarism is a gross exaggeration
49:57 Eargasm until the ending.
Welch ein Meisterwerk....
As far as first symphonies go, this is right up there with Shostakovich 1.
Obra impresionante de un autor que murió demasiado joven.
If you like this music you might also like Hugo Wolf‘s „Penthesilea“, Rudi Stephan‘s orchestral music, Zemlinsky‘s „Eine Florentinische Tragödie“, Schönberg‘s „Pelleas und Melisande“ and „Six Orchestral Songs op. 8“, Schreker‘s Chamber Symphony (1916) and Louis Spohr‘s symphonies.
O, did I forget to mention Mahler?! No, I didn‘t.
THANKYOU very much !
Not to forget about Marx' Herbstsymphonie.
Louis Spohr, like for real ?
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Where did you find this score?
Apart from the obvious Mahler and Bruckner references, the ending absolutely SCREAMS Walküre
wow dude... you need to learn to just like good music...
@@nickb220 w... what do you think I'm doing, dude?
Well actually, it would've been Mahler making Rott references if you consider the timeline.
@@CK-kd5pn Come on, stop only taking in count the Symphonies! Mahler's Das Klagende Lied is from 1880, the same year. They were friends and lived in the same room. And if you listening Das Klagende Lied you'll heard that Mahler has already it's own style, Rott's one is much more closer stylistically to Wagner and Bruckner.
Tired of seeing always the same false comments everywhere on this symphony.
@@rossini9mozart10 Mahler and Rott lived together briefly during their studies, Rott graduated in 1878 and had the first movement of this symphony ready by then, we know this because he submitted it to a commission awarding prizes for composition students, which included his teacher Bruckner, who was very supportive of the work - unlike the other members.
While the style of orchestration used by Hans Rott might be closer to Bruckner and Wagner's than that of Mahler (is it though?) they employed highly similar composition styles and there's passages in here which are literally mimicked by Mahler in his symphonies. Rott was 2 years older and had finished a significant amount of orchestral music prior to 1878, including a symphony for strings, 2 overtures, and a suite, as well as several works which remained unfinished, so to me it's clear who influenced who.
Recently a friend introduced me to this symphony by playing the opening build-up and climax. I told him with all seriousness that I would be emotionally satisfied if the piece simply ended there, by which I mean the sudden C major chord is replaced with an E major chord where it would end. While I don’t mean that the rest of the symphony isn’t awesome, I wasn’t kidding.
40:02 Beethoven's Ninth and Brahms's First?
Yes. This is one of the reasons which exasperated Brahms himself, who rejected the whole work. Brahms did not have the easy compliment.
@@franckmousset4022 A bit odd of Brahms to be exasperated by this when he did a similar thing with Beethoven’s 9th
@@benrubin8624 That's exactly what I thought when I compared these 3 pieces the first time. Brahms "quoted" Beethoven. Rott "quoted" Brahms (& Beethoven). If I was Brahms, I'd feel honoured by this. Apart from this, Rott made several references to music of his predecessors in this symphony anyway, especially in the 3rd movement.
Os três primeiros compassos do segundo movimento lembram Lohengrin, de Wagner.
As Paavo Järvi stated: "There is something rotten about Mahler." ;-)
Deliciously rotten!
any1 has any idea how to get his piano works on sheet? I even tried his publisher but they did not have a clue… I’d be so curious what they are like
A comment on-line said he "anticipates some of Mahler's musical characteristics." It's clear Mahler was a brazen thief.
@Im Walde Where you did find this score?
During a walk in the woods....
13:52 Mahler 3
extremely mahlerian! what a sad death
40:00 boy I do love Brahms hyuck hyuck
A homage to Brahms
Too young to die 😢
6:30 Bruckner
He looks like a late romantic Beethoven
Poor horns from 210 onwads !
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@@vesteel it is an extremely taxing horn part
Salieri is not a murderer. If you wanna see who the real murderer is, look what Brahms had done to this composer
Mahler everywhere
This came before Mahler.
@@SpaghettiToaster Das Klagende Lied is from the same time, and they were friends.
@@rossini9mozart10 please read Rotts biography, they were no close friends and this symphony was created from 1778-1880. Mahler is it who took ideas from this symphony later and said they're fruits from the same tree when he did read this score after Rotts death
Only the first 2 minutes are better than anything Brahms composed in his whole life.
... indeed!
What you mean is that you prefer this music to that of Brahms, fair enough. However your statement is foolish and not well informed. Sure Brahms was stupid to write this young man off as a serious composer, that didn’t do him any favours.
Brahms' assessment of this work was wrong, as it in fact was a masterpiece, but so is your statement. The 2nd piano concerto, the violin concerto, the 4 symphonies, and the Deutsches Requiem are all among the greatest works ever composed. Brahms was, due to his conservatism, a polarising figure, but one should not forget that a. he was not alone (many German and Austrian composers rejected the Neue deutsche Schule of Wagner, Liszt and Bruckner) and b. it was not his fault that Hans Rott was prone to mental illness and not able to handle harsh criticism and c. what would he have expected from the composer most vehemently opposed to the musical style of his own teacher and stylistic forebearer?
Brahms bears 0 responsibility for Rott's untimely death. It was TB that killed him, and it wasn't even Brahms' fault that he had a mental breakdown leading to his institutionalisation, as normal people would be able to deal with harsh criticism or at the very least not seek it out on purpose by submitting a radically innovative work to a composer known for his musical conservatism.
Both are good composers. I consider Brahms's 2nd piano concerto better, but whatever
I said what I said. The beginning of this symphony is so naturally beautiful, something Brahms couldn’t achieve in any of his works. All of his qualities are theoretic, but there is no real flow of soul.
too many triangle, especially in the last two movements lol
I LOVE the triangle, it's a kind of trademark...
More cowbell !
Well, at least we know Brahms was right.
My faith is slightly restored after seeing your comment. Some pretty horrid counterpoint.