The only explanation for no one coming out to claim it is that it was possibly a one-man band (which is really common) and the guy has passed many years ago, and if he had a band mate, he just does not use internet, as many people still don't do, especially older people, and thus cannot be reached to claim and explain the song.
@@EdwinJanssen1991 at least we have the complete song to listen to and admire, and it being a sad post-punk song with unknown origins just adds a true aura of post-punk melancholy to it, unlike the other lost song known as Everyone Knows That, that only a few seconds exist and everything regarding it is a complete dead end.
I don't agree. This song is way too complex and thought through. It's technically on professional level of complexity. It's impossible it was some amateur. It must have been some collab between bands that is yet to be discovered among those trashy german EPs that are sold by volume.
@@kubastachu9860 ?!? So a one-man band can't be complex, well thought and technical? Dude, there are so many one-man bands in metal with better songs, have more professional and well-produced songs and sound than famous big bands. Some of the best bands I've listened to back in the day were one-man bands, and some of the most beloved too. What are you talking about? lmao
the thing about the lead singers is that the vocal style is extremely common for 80s new wave bands, so just going by "this guy has a similar voice" isn't really much of a lead EDIT: I'm writing this the week the band was finally found. It's been amazing watching the search and getting not only a good conclusion, but also knowing that the band members are doing fine, embraced their status and are re-uniting to make a re-recording of the song. Thank you to FEX for making such an incredible tune, for being awesome guys and thanks to everyone who were part of the search, covered it or simply followed it and spread the word to the Internet and beyond, you'all are awesome!
@@MrLapapa5 All bands sound the same in any particular time period. That's why you can say you like let's say 60's rock or rap from the 90's because every artist sounded similar at that particular time. And on the other hand, if you tell someone to listen to anything and tell them how this sounds so similar to something else, human brain automatically starts to find similarities. It's a common phenomenon so it's not really a solid proof.
@@olliegoria You can do that on TH-cam. You might not win the case, but you can cause the uploader a lot of grief until they settle. I suppose you can do that in other environments, too. They've ruled out Ronnie on the TMS subreddit, for some very good reasons that I don't know.
I was a musician in Vienna in the 1980's, here are a few thoughts: - The song itself: it uses a very common chord progression that was repeated on many songs of that time, over and over again. It is what an amateur band of the time in Austria or Germany etc. would likely have used. There is a second part in the song, not really a bridge though, so this sounds like the "flagship" song of some unknown band that never made it. However, the scraped enough money together to pay for a recording studio. That was quite common at the time, and since studios were expensive, it is possible that they recorded two songs only for the front and back of a single. Or, another thing that wasn't uncommon, this could have been their only song, which was released on a sampler LP. If it is the latter, it is probably next to impossible to find it, at least without skimming through endless records and reading the fine print. - Production quality: it sounds like it was recorded in a proper studio, as opposed to a basement or garage. As for the synth, that might have been there in the studio, for rent. The drums are definitely not top notch, just listen to the hi-hat. The mixing is also not great, which points to the band doing everything themselves (you could hire a sound technician as well... then it would probably sound better). - Musicians: these are most likely not professionals, at least not anywhere close to high-end. Think about the elaborate guitar solos common in the 1980's, and their guitarist just strums the same notes. It's probably the best he could do. Same with the synth, a hallmark of the 1980's, there is so much more that a professional band could and would have done with this synth. - Recording technique: one thing that is mentioned in the video is that back then, each track was recorded individually. So I think it is possible that a drummer would not recognize or remember a song after he recorded his part (happened to me too). That is not proof, of course, but something to keep in mind. Sometimes bands would break up before the record was finished. - NDR1 "Musik für junge Leute": some episodes are up on youtube; their focus seems to have been to play underground music and/or unknown artists. The production quality of most songs was mich higher than for the "mysterious song", as well as the musical complexity. Since the song was played on radio only once (?), it is possible that someone asked a favor from his or her cousins or friends, or through some other connections (we did that too). Then the band split up, people got real jobs, and they stopped thinking about this song. So it could just be that they haven't watched this video... :)
This is pretty much what I’ve been thinking too. Most likely some friends somewhere in Europe back in the early to mid 80s got together and made a band for a while, recorded a track or two, split up after not very long, moved on with their lives, and forgot about most of it. Any tracks they made/songs they wrote faded into obscurity, and it was just by some fluke that the internet happened to find one of their songs and make it blow up online, decades later. I’m ok with never knowing who made this song, we now have the full track and that’s good enough for me, because it’s a great song!
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I think it's just CF being overly cautious? I saw a similar vid abt TMS a couple weeks ago that played the song in full nesr the beginning and afaik that's still up
I think he was referring to the song he was comparing it to. I've seen multiple videos playing the whole song, and they've never been claimed. Even sparking jokes about how you know it's mysterious when even TH-cam doesn't give you a strike on behalf of Sony or Warner Chappell.
I rented a DX7 for a weekend in 1984 to record some songs with some friends. And we weren't any known band. In that time period it was pretty easy to get access to a DX7 without having to have been a well known band.
I think the price of the DX-7 is over emphasized. Every musician knows someone who spends all of their money on better gear. More importantly, the keyboard parts are not especially complicated nor are they essential to the song. It's very possible the DX-7 was something owned by the studio where they cut the song.
You seem to have missed the point. It’s not that you couldn’t put your hands on it if you weren’t famous, but, rather, WHEN. I also raised this point back when Whang did a video about this song. While the DX7 was released in 1983, at first it was only available in Japan. There was an insane amount of demand for it from all over the world, and even if you were famous, you were part of a line. It took until 1984 for the DX7 to finally be readily available elsewhere - and THEN you may have had the chance to put your hands on one. Therefore, it’s unrealistic to consider that this song is from 1983, when even some iconic names from the industry weren’t easily getting their units. THAT was the point.
Radio stations have been archiving their music since they began. They know its most likely at NDR. Surely someone currently working there would be curious enough to start digging around those dates. It's there somewhere.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they taped over it, it seems like a relatively small and unknown song so there would be no reason to keep the master tape for a small artist
@@GladeSwope looks like it was both "Between approximately 1967 and 1978, large quantities of videotape and film stored in the BBC's Engineering department and film libraries were wiped or destroyed to make way for newer programmes.[1] This happened for several reasons, primarily the belief that there was no practical value to its retention."
Awesome video and very up to date. Considering how old this song is, we might be running out of time, but I hope we get to know the answer. Thanks for the shout-out!
😂😂😂 I thought joy division as well!!!! Then put it to my google music player and solved that mystery super fast!!! Debunked! Statues in motion Alvin Dean Next mystery please!!!
That's the thing I don't get. If a copyright claim gets filed, it includes the copyright owner and the song title. So either someone's trolling the copyright (which can be disputed and is illegal to do, not that there's even any punishment for it) or...this isn't a mystery.
After r/TheMysteriousSong search members kept contacting Billy Knight he realised the song was actually popular, so he registered the (english) song to Statues in Motion. Same thing happened with Ronnie Rocket, he registered the German version of it.
that Ronnie dude might be a bit of an asshole but that doesn't mean he can't be our guy. Same thing happened to Feels Like a Wish (former "Fond My Mind"). The composer was found but refused to cooperate, and we could only REALLY find the song cus some other dude who worked with him in the 80s had a copy of it. If we were relying on Edde (the composer) wanting to help, that song would have never been solved.
I'm not familiar with the story but that's very strange that he wouldn't want to cooperate.. did he have something against the artist? Otherwise that makes no sense to me.
I’m not familiar with that particular lost song either but the Ronnie Rocket guy sounds less like an asshole and more… unstable imo. I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re right though.
@@Deutritium93 The EKT writer was ecstatic to learn about the popularity of his song, so much that he's going to re-record it because he can't find the original. Not all the singers in the 80's were like that haha
I think the biggest problem is that no one from the German TH-cam or generally social media scene is talking about this. I’ve only ever heard about it from English creators. If anyone is gonna find this song it’s trough someone’s parents who knows the local band. I’m convinced it could be found if some German influencers brought some traction into the topic within Germany.
As a native Greek speaker i believe that the song's lyrics sounds like "english with greek accent to me" just like their album SIM. Very normal for some boys back in 83 to not have perfect english accent. The story about George Dalabiras moving to Germany bringing the tms song there sounds posible, but onli him, Dalabiras , can confirm or deny it. If he is alive. From your communication with Bily, did he told you if they are still on touch? If he knows where he lives?
Dates make sense too. And i say that as a fellow greek. Greek rock music like this started to be made in Greece at the time. I think they resemble Trypes a bit. I believe Billy. I think the guys that made this simply don't give a damn anymore.
Tbf I was a heavy drug user when I was musician and I forgot a lot of things I did when I was a drug addict that decades later remembered when people told me about it
Makes sense. I mean, just look at David Bowie. Because all the stuff he was doing he didn't even remember having recorded Station to Station. Just, memory-holed out
If you got a DMCA strike - wouldn't that tell you who *filled* the claim, and therefore who owns the rights to the song? I mean you can't get a DMCA strike from no one.
@ChadWSmith I uploaded it to my channel and got a copyright claim, but it doesn't give you information on who owns the copyright. You could go ahead and try it yourself and see what happens. A claim is not the same as a strike. In a claim, the owner allows you to use the song. I kept the video private but the AI found out there was a claim on it.
@@Psalm1267 Maybe it's an anonymous copyright troll making false claims without providing any information, because based of what I know so far, YT's automated copyright ID system can't just simply generate any copyright claims out of thin air because the artist or the label needs to submit all their copyright files in order to be verified by YT, and it can be easily exploited by any trolls pretending to be the original artist. Remember that invisible unicode letters actually exist and it's commonly used to make "blank" video title or "channels with no name". I'm pretty sure the troll uses that kind of invisible letter to "blank out" the artist name
That Ronnie fellow who claims to have co-written and co-performed the song was totally coked up while sending those emails. No normal person types like that, even if they're angry or otherwise worked up over something. He very well might have something to do with the song, but his head is screwed up beyond all belief from all the drugs he's presumably taken over the course of his life.
I like the way you talk so calmly, and I did not know about the 2 specific dates yet! I just finished my 25 year search for my personal music mystery (which turned out to be much more "trivial"/well-known than I thought and was solved by searching a little differently than I used to...), so I am "hungry" for new interesting facts about TMMS!
I called it the Cantering Notes but it is really Ayacucho by James Last/originally by Los Chaskis. 25000 clicks on TH-cam and no one could connect the dots until now... So I wish us all good luck connecting the dots right for TMMS
The radio channel nrd where it come from was contacted, and a mystery show from germany went and talked about it, seemingly being THE ONLY song they don't remember playing
that's it, I believe this came from a parallel universe. There's too many things changing in our timeline, even the fucking place we are in in the milky way galaxy, and people wanna say "nah everyone is just having the same exact false memory, they misremembered" I would like you to remember the false memory theory was created by a bunch of abusers trying to silence their victims by saying all their trauma is just a false memory and that they shouldn't be mentally ill whatsoever.
I read a comment under one of the videos about this song which really fits. It went something like: "If the Internet ever ends (probably along with the whole world), this song will be the ending credits song to The Internet. ". The mood of the song really fits lol.
Everyone Knows That/Ulterior Motives is another famous lost song, but we only have a tiny snippet of that one. these situations can be pretty discouraging :/ edit: well... maybe this song is from an 80s porno too lol
It’s on iTunes. It sounds great, I added it to my KTSW playlist, but iTunes gave credit to Alvin Dean and Statues in Motion, but that’s not who created it.
I'm so glad there's a full length remaster of this. I love lost songs! My current favorite is a lost late 80's song called Without you solved on reddit. I can't stop listening! I'm compiling as many of these lost gems as I can!
The end of the video makes it sound like this song is ancient. If it was recorded in 84 and the band members averaged 20 years old (a fair presumption) they're only just now turning 60. They're not in the grave just yet.
@@MRed0135I could be wrong, but a lot of youtube commenters post nonsense and stereotypes, you know. (It's easy to write a stereotype as if it's fact.)
@@Darxide23 I mean the Brandl guy who may be involved in it died over 30 years ago and also just because it is a stereotype doesn't mean that there isn't some basis in fact. Also even if they are alive that does not mean that they even are on social media or can be contacted.
This being from a yugoslavian band makes surprsingly much sense since the main singer seems to have a slavic accent.Also the style is very similar to other bands in that genre that were popular in the area such as Kino
Thanks for including me in your video at 18:58! The Yamaha DX7 was quite popular back then and basically every synth player owned one, so I think the chance that the band used it on TMMS is high. Although I used the VST version here and not the hardware itself, it does sound very close to the synth in the original record.
Finding "hard evidence" for authorship of a song that was, in all likelihood, neved published, 30-40 years later is a tough ask of any creator. Why would anyone have kept anything - probably deemed worthless - for this much time? I mean, I wrote a couple of song ideas for the band of a friend some 25 years ago (none would eventually be developed into songs). If that demo surfaced on the internet today, I could give you no "hard evidence" that I wrote it, because the notepads I wrote the lyrics in are long gone, the computer I used to hammer together a good enough demo (certainly unenjoyable by today's standards) is also long gone... I could not even produce emails, as back then we kept contact in person and via phone... Now, why would the alleged author of the song have any "hard evidence"? And let's not forget, this "most mysterious song" was made in a time when recordings were kept on large roll tapes or cassettes. Even floppy disks are not really an option, let alone CD-s... (All in all, the most likely answer to the mystery is an unknbown but aspiring German band managing to sneak a demo in to the radio station hoping to get picked up by someone in a recording studio - which never happened, and so the band moved on, maybe disbanded... And if so, if any member of that band ever sees a video like this and learns of this "most mysterious song" thing, the mystery community may be lucky enough to have a band member who can, indeed, produce some hard evidence - if not, it'll be another "we did it, but I can't prove it" case...
It remains possible that someone who WAS involved in the recording (but has no hard evidence in hand) could finally come out and genuinely recount the story of the song... how it was written and by whom, what inspired it, who played the parts, where and how it was recorded, plus any interesting anecdotes that describe things that happened during the process. This would unearth a treasure trove of details that could be verified, especially the location of the studio. For either of the two discredited characters to claim that they "don't remember" but then change their story only to become difficult about it, not sharing unique details about the recording, certainly seem fishy to me. Yeah, maybe there were memory-fading drugs involved at the time, but I stand by the belief that someone who was truly part of the song's birth could provide unique details to prove their story.
@@KOZMOGRAFX I hear you - the problem is that this song got so famous that it is easy to imagine musicians wanting to be associated wth it, even if they are really not. And it's not hard to sound genuine. And to reveal details that are actually traceable... yeah, that would go a long way towards establishing genuine ownership... but once again: what are the odds of any musician keeping anything related to a song made about 40 years ago and, in all likelihood, never actually released as a complete song on a record, single or compilation? Sure, it's in the realm of possibilities (I quite recently found a school copybook of mine from my elementary school years from roughly the same are as the song was born...) - but it's just not really likely. But hey, I for one am sure rooting for you to be right at the end of the day ;)
@@bioLarzen Finally someone making sense among this trainwreck of a mystery. I've been trying to track down a copy of a certain demotape made in 1991 with roughly 30 copies made and while I've managed to track down a large portion of it, it was quite a ride with more being revealed by chance/luck than structured searching. Funnily enough I played back one of the songs to the known, original author who was like "oh, I'd have to check my copy ... no idea what song this is ... possibly ".
Funny thing, I did and posted a cover on TH-cam (see my channel) and when I posted it, it said copyright material was detected, but that the owner allows free use. Seems strange.
I don’t know if it’s a symptom of the internet specifically. Lots of people enjoy not only reading mystery novels, but also enjoy working to solve open mysteries. The internet is just a tool to help facilitate that.
I wonder if a language expert has been engaged to determine the lead singers accent. I know, probably German, but maybe the region could be narrowed down.
Georgios (George) Dalambiras, aka Alvin Dean, sang this song. Doesn't everyone know this by now? After Statues in Motion broke up, he went to Germany, recorded his music, also made a demo with Yannis Beltekas. His song was played on the radio as a way of undercutting the producer that didn't feel it was ready. The rest is history. But, for some reason, people still feel the need to keep the mystery alive. It is his song and his voice.
The song itself is a banger. The guitar, synth, vocals and bass parts are fine could be modernised with better drumming and a more varied bridge. If an EP with different versions EDM, metal etc was made I'd buy it.
Funny thing, I did and posted a cover on TH-cam (see my channel) and when I posted it, it said copyright material was detected, but that the owner allows free use. Seems strange.
@@TheDeadEndFriendsSound I see that on a lot of my videos. It's relevant if you monetize, because if it's copyright claimed, you are not allowed to allow embedding, and they get the ad revenue from it. If you don't monetize, you still aren't allowed to allow embedding. but otherwise it's no big deal. In any case, you have to keep an eye out all the time for take-down requests.
I’m sure this has been brought up already, but in the US, radio stations have to keep logs of the songs they air and submit that list to ASCAP. In Germany they have two companies: GEMA and SUISA. Perhaps they could provide a lead or two to follow.
i thought i was suffering a case of Mandela Effect as i swore i saw a video about this before... oh yeah. the channel All Things Lost covered THIS EXACT SAME STORY less than a month ago!
I have reason to believe that The Mysterious Song was made by a well-known band that people are overlooking, and that when it IS found, it will be in the most unexpected place and unexpected way. Many of the largest lost media searches ended up being found in rather unconventional ways, like fellow lostwave song "Ulterior Motives" (aka. "Everyone Knows That") being found in an adult film of all places, or the original Backrooms photo being found on the archive of a website for a random thrift store in Wisconsin. There's a big reason I don't believe in either the Statues in Motion or Ronnie Rocket leads. Ronnie comes off like a blatant con artist who's just using the search for attention, and the same goes for Billy Knight because I doubt a major radio station would play an unreleased song from an obscure one-album band most people have never heard of, especially since most of the songs from the NDR playlists are from well-known bands, while Statues in Motion is so obscure they're not even on Spotify or Last FM while countless "One-hit-wonder" artists from the same era are. Going by all the playlists and mix tapes, it just feels odd for an unknown or lesser-kown artist to be on the same playlist with largely several well-known artists. That's the part that gets me most, TMS just feels like an outlier, it feels very out-of-place. That's why I'm convinced that a more well-known artist made it, and that it most likely originates from some sort of B-sides album. When the song IS eventually found, I imagine it will be in the last place anyone would look.
I've been convinced on alvin dean since it was brought up but i dont find the voices that much similar anymore, who knows maybe someone will randomly solve this one too one day.
Around 2007 I changed the name of my MySpace-music to "Red Jumpsuit Aparatus" (because they were #1 on MySpace at the time). I got 10s of thousands of plays downloads in a couple days, and then the account was completely erased. I hope those songs are a mystery for someone someday.
My best friend done this remix slowed down version of Goodbye Horses by Q Lazzarus at one point. Q Lazzarus died a couple of years ago and is now getting loads of hits and royalties from it, which is kind of cool. Kind of not cool. He's called Skat Injector if you want to hear it. His other songs are nothing like this. Be warned..
I wonder how many songs have been played in radios over the years with no one recording them and they were lost forever with no one having any idea they ever existed.
It was claimed in an older video that someone who has access to the archives of NDR was contacted, but didn't have the time to skim through that mass of audio to find it. Sadly I can't find the video where I have heard that claim. Does anybody know what I am talking about?
So really what's going to be needed is either they need to have the time to go through it themselves which is unlikely or someone with trustworthy credentials being able to set aside time and get permission to go through it themselves.
That’s not true. NDR has no audio archives of their 1984 shows. What they do have, and provided to the r/TheMysteriousSong mods on Reddit was the playlists. These are paper files containing all tracks played on a particular show.
Basically the title of the song has always been taken for granted, and presumed only by reaching the 'chorus' section, plucking out a whimsical sentence that 'might' identify it. The reality is that the song was written with a more obscure epitaph. When someone comes forward and automatically claims that they penned this track they always fall into the trap of accepting the makeshift title, which alone makes it suspicious. So, if this was a 'B-side' single, hurriedly recorded and sent to the Radio Station it was pure 'pot luck' to gain any air play and obscures perhaps the true identity a little further. If the original Band are not hopeful in being traced then we could also assume that a sound engineer/producer of the original Demo will actually remember filing it and working on the project. It may be still hidden in some can on a shelf just collecting dust with their other recordings, and yes, there has to be more material by this artist, somewhere ? Other than that, we can also imagine that this Band may have appeared in some venue and being promoted on a poster, where obviously they must have attracted a following and felt the necessity to produce a record in the first place. It's hard to believe that they spent their entire existence just parading around a basement and taping obscure music just for the fun of it, there was a definite purpose for their being. Young music followers would have witnessed them at some stage. The answers are out there as memory serves a greater tool than just reliance on cyber searching alone. Some food for thought.
Listening to the amateur drumming on the song, it makes me think it was someone's high school band or something and was unlikely to be an established band that was out there touring or whatever. I'm guessing someone who worked on the radio station was acquainted with someone from that band, got asked to play it, and just did it once as a favor. They probably didn't want to list it in the logs since technically they shouldn't have been playing it. They may not have even announced the song after it played.
The voice kinda sounds like the lead singer from Alphaville which is a German band that was extremely active in the time frame of the broadcast. Maybe it was theirs and they just didn't really go anywhere further with the song, abandoned it or something. Anyone try to see if it was from them?
@TheShattenjager "Anyone try to see if it was from them?" The best way to find out is to go the subreddit r/The MysteriousSong and search first, and if you don't find anything, post your question. They don't want anyone to just go and bother someone without asking first, because they might have been inundated with questions already.
NDR's 10khz line is believed to be caused by a standard piece of equipment. This doesn't confirm NDR as the broadcaster but it makes them very likely. The "drift" in the line is more likely to be caused by the tape running at different speeds in the machine than the tower. Unfortunately the Yugoslavian lead was disproven as quickly as it came up. You're also wrong about all of the songs being found on the playlists Madam Butterfly ( ver Maxi) was never found on the radio playlists. This is of course pedantic.
I might be a bit off but it hear "Blind the wind You came here running Take your consequence of living There's no space There’s no tomorrow There’s no sense of dedication Check it in, Check it out Or the sun will never shine Better not, Any way Fill the somber of your mind Blind the wind You’re gonna suffer There’s no sunny hill avail There’s no place There’s no sorrow In the arms of your sweetheart Check it in, Check it out Or the sun will never shine Better not, Any way Fill the somber of your mind -musical break- Check it in, Check it out Or the sun will never shine Better not, Any way Fill the somber of your mind Check it in, Check it out (Cause the sun will move) Check it in, Check it out (It's the reason) x5-6"
Hey guys, my father claims it could be the former Czechoslovak band that he used to listen to at smaller underground music gigs. They were active during the late 80’s and early 90’s and often changed names and singers. In the 90’s they moved from the eastern block post-punk sound to more electronic sound and after that he hasn’t heard of them anymore. But about a year ago he discovered a YT channel called ARS Studio Productions and discovered their songs there. Here is a link to one of their songs sounding very similar to this one called Free: th-cam.com/video/yQIAhihNJIM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=2Ic7zfmYtVD-H_cN
Oddly similar personal situation. Ripped a song off Myspace as a kid in the early 2000s. Found it over a decade later on a burnt CD. No clue what it is. Not sure what the accept is or even if the entire song is in English. Never been able to identify it. Hopefully 40 years from now I won't still be searching.
Here is what I think happened with the song; If this song was produced in east Germany, then it's highly likely that the tapes or disks simply werent preserved once they had played it on the radio enough times. And the band more than likely didnt even have the rights to their own song to begin with, so what motivation did they have to keep their demo tapes?
Maybe whoever made the song had a friend at the radio station or just casually knew someone working there. Maybe this person simply handed over a tape and asked him to play it as a favor? Or someone at the station just played it because he thought it was interesting or just wanted to try something different?
speaking of mysterious media although what I'm about to talk about isn't as mysterious but I looked nonstop for about a week before giving up both because I felt like I couldn't and because I was sick of losing sleep over something so pointless. It was a youtube series. I can't remember what any of the videos were titled, any of the characters, or the name of who made it. Now all I do is leave comments hopping someone knows what I'm talking about. But writting these comments takes 10 minutes so I'm not gonna say anything unless I know someone is listening
It looks a lot like the hypergraphia type of writing that you see in people with schizophrenia. Not saying he's schizophrenic, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was.
This whole idea of a DX7 being premium and not used by bands is completely ridiculous. It was incredibly common in 1984. The middle school where I volunteer taught music had a dX7 sitting around. No one really liked it. It became legendary much later when 80's synth trash became kitsch. People liked moogs and such back then - like Rush
If You check out the internet, Rick Moore & the Hypocrites play a cover version of this song that sounds very close to the version all of us have heard for many years on the internet. The song is live and it is in German.
Elvin didn't even need to move to Germany if a producer found a cut track and decided to sell it to a foreign market without knowing who or what it belonged to.
just because ronnie is angry and making threats doesnt mean he is less likely to be the co-author. why would anyone get angry and frustrated over something that's not theirs. if he was lying and trolling, he would be laughing by now. if he is the actual co-author and no one believed him, he has every right to be extremely angry. so angry that he is willing to make threats and go to jail.
It seems to me that we basically have the answer to this big question, but nobody has actually gone to the trouble of getting a solid confirmation from one of the few people who can provide it. The song has Alvin Dean on vocals. That much is obvious to me. A song recorded after Statues In Motion split. Could’ve sworn I saw something about one of the other musicians Dean worked with during that time frame making reference to a dispute with the record label he was signed to at the time, which ended with them not allowing some of his later recorded material to be officially marketed. And that this was one of those songs, and it just somehow made its way into the hands of a radio DJ one day and got played once. Though there has been speculation that Alvin Dean may have passed away, nobody has actually found any documentation of such. If anything, there have been a few hints that he’s still alive, and likely living in Australia. He has a unique real name. Find him. Buy the guy dinner in exchange for talking about his music career to clear everything up. It’s probably that easy. If you can’t find him, several other musicians he recorded with during that period are out there. A similar dinner/conversation with them could lead to some sort of confirmation. Confirmation which… we basically already got, when the last thing Billy Knight said on the subject of the song was that “Alvin made it.” That’s a pretty confident, declarative statement. Though he initially tried to say SIM recorded it as a demo, he eventually conceded that it was actually just Alvin’s project. Someone doing a real, on the record, journalistic interview with Billy may even be enough. Pissing him off on Facebook is all that anyone has really accomplished with him yet. Alvin Dean is the answer. Someone just needs to be the hero in this story and interview him and/or his friends. Who’s gonna follow through?
@@nullinlack585 Let’s think back to the case of Edde Edman for a minute. Lostwave community didn’t believe he was the artist behind Fond My Mind/Feels Like A Wish. People called him a liar. He felt disrespected and got confrontational about it (justifiably so, as he was just trying to provide the answer). He had no “proof” because he recorded the song so long ago. Everyone wrote him off as being “debunked.” Turns out he was telling the truth. He wrote the song. If someone else didn’t eventually find the tape (to provide doubters physical “proof”) he would have been labeled a liar forever. It was such a disappointing story, which the entire lostwave community should LEARN FROM. I feel Billy Knight is the same situation. He has already clarified that he helped write the song we know as Like The Wind, and that Alvin Dean was the artist who made the recording that we have of the song now. If Alvin Dean is in fact dead, and Eli Kane (the guy who wrote the lyrics) is also deceased, that means Billy is one of the only people alive with the answer. Just like with Edde Edman, as soon as people started calling him a liar, he felt disrespected and got confrontational. I don’t blame him. Maybe he’s a liar. Who knows? But to write off the lead completely would be a gigantic mistake. He has nothing to gain financially by telling us the background of the song. We’re honestly a bunch of jerks for treating him like this. Abandoning leads is a huge mistake. Christopher Booth was sitting on Reddit as a lead for months with nobody following up on it until recently. Same with K-Girls. Don’t abandon leads. Investigate them fully. And in the case of Billy Knight, a real RESPECTFUL journalistic follow up with him about it could be the answer. He has absolutely not been “debunked.”
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The only explanation for no one coming out to claim it is that it was possibly a one-man band (which is really common) and the guy has passed many years ago, and if he had a band mate, he just does not use internet, as many people still don't do, especially older people, and thus cannot be reached to claim and explain the song.
Good call, I was thinking the same kind of situation. Who knows how many songs are forever lost to time?
@@EdwinJanssen1991 at least we have the complete song to listen to and admire, and it being a sad post-punk song with unknown origins just adds a true aura of post-punk melancholy to it, unlike the other lost song known as Everyone Knows That, that only a few seconds exist and everything regarding it is a complete dead end.
Yes maybe
I don't agree. This song is way too complex and thought through. It's technically on professional level of complexity. It's impossible it was some amateur. It must have been some collab between bands that is yet to be discovered among those trashy german EPs that are sold by volume.
@@kubastachu9860 ?!? So a one-man band can't be complex, well thought and technical? Dude, there are so many one-man bands in metal with better songs, have more professional and well-produced songs and sound than famous big bands. Some of the best bands I've listened to back in the day were one-man bands, and some of the most beloved too. What are you talking about? lmao
the thing about the lead singers is that the vocal style is extremely common for 80s new wave bands, so just going by "this guy has a similar voice" isn't really much of a lead
EDIT: I'm writing this the week the band was finally found. It's been amazing watching the search and getting not only a good conclusion, but also knowing that the band members are doing fine, embraced their status and are re-uniting to make a re-recording of the song. Thank you to FEX for making such an incredible tune, for being awesome guys and thanks to everyone who were part of the search, covered it or simply followed it and spread the word to the Internet and beyond, you'all are awesome!
Yes exactly
My thoughts too
Absolutely.
oh if you can name at least 5 bands from 1983 to 1985, with the same style and with the identical singer
@@MrLapapa5 All bands sound the same in any particular time period. That's why you can say you like let's say 60's rock or rap from the 90's because every artist sounded similar at that particular time. And on the other hand, if you tell someone to listen to anything and tell them how this sounds so similar to something else, human brain automatically starts to find similarities. It's a common phenomenon so it's not really a solid proof.
It has been found - Subways Of Your Mind by FEX.
Worst part is the song is an absolute banger too, so that makes the mystery even more frustrating
This is a mediocre track at best. Meh.
this song is objectively better than 'everyone knows that' and it should be found and have the attention it has
They're both so dull. Zoomers herding around a topic because others herded around it, again.
nO yOuR tAsTe iN mUsIc SuCkS
@@soulsawyour mom's mediocre
"I can't play too much of the song due to DMCA."
- FROM WHO?
@Siyual
@Siyual "FROM WHO?" From Ronnie Rocket for his song that he used for voice comparison.
@@Psalm1267So some rando waltzed in, said "yeah that sounds like a song I'd write, pay me" and they rolled with it?
@@olliegoria You can do that on TH-cam. You might not win the case, but you can cause the uploader a lot of grief until they settle. I suppose you can do that in other environments, too.
They've ruled out Ronnie on the TMS subreddit, for some very good reasons that I don't know.
@@olliegoria That's what happened on Spotify. So now every time you Shazam it, it gets credited to the moron on Spotify. 😑 I hate being here bruh
What's DMCA?
I was a musician in Vienna in the 1980's, here are a few thoughts:
- The song itself: it uses a very common chord progression that was repeated on many songs of that time, over and over again. It is what an amateur band of the time in Austria or Germany etc. would likely have used. There is a second part in the song, not really a bridge though, so this sounds like the "flagship" song of some unknown band that never made it. However, the scraped enough money together to pay for a recording studio. That was quite common at the time, and since studios were expensive, it is possible that they recorded two songs only for the front and back of a single. Or, another thing that wasn't uncommon, this could have been their only song, which was released on a sampler LP. If it is the latter, it is probably next to impossible to find it, at least without skimming through endless records and reading the fine print.
- Production quality: it sounds like it was recorded in a proper studio, as opposed to a basement or garage. As for the synth, that might have been there in the studio, for rent. The drums are definitely not top notch, just listen to the hi-hat. The mixing is also not great, which points to the band doing everything themselves (you could hire a sound technician as well... then it would probably sound better).
- Musicians: these are most likely not professionals, at least not anywhere close to high-end. Think about the elaborate guitar solos common in the 1980's, and their guitarist just strums the same notes. It's probably the best he could do. Same with the synth, a hallmark of the 1980's, there is so much more that a professional band could and would have done with this synth.
- Recording technique: one thing that is mentioned in the video is that back then, each track was recorded individually. So I think it is possible that a drummer would not recognize or remember a song after he recorded his part (happened to me too). That is not proof, of course, but something to keep in mind. Sometimes bands would break up before the record was finished.
- NDR1 "Musik für junge Leute": some episodes are up on youtube; their focus seems to have been to play underground music and/or unknown artists. The production quality of most songs was mich higher than for the "mysterious song", as well as the musical complexity.
Since the song was played on radio only once (?), it is possible that someone asked a favor from his or her cousins or friends, or through some other connections (we did that too). Then the band split up, people got real jobs, and they stopped thinking about this song. So it could just be that they haven't watched this video... :)
This is pretty much what I’ve been thinking too. Most likely some friends somewhere in Europe back in the early to mid 80s got together and made a band for a while, recorded a track or two, split up after not very long, moved on with their lives, and forgot about most of it. Any tracks they made/songs they wrote faded into obscurity, and it was just by some fluke that the internet happened to find one of their songs and make it blow up online, decades later. I’m ok with never knowing who made this song, we now have the full track and that’s good enough for me, because it’s a great song!
it was a test pressing, that never released after. Maybe farewell. Test pressing ltd.5
Post punk new wave greek
It's actually drum machine in TMMS!
@@andrewcocos ??? Band ?
It has been found today. It is "Subways of Your Mind" by FEX
@@tomnicholls9016 Canyons of your mind, it's clearly Billy the mountain by Frank zappa
@@Ducatiratigo away troll
@aremelboss2614 MY word , touchy , well one day , when you have listened to some Music , the obvious Joke , won't go over your head , geez , .kids RARARA
@@Ducatirati 😒
@aremelboss2614 Bonzo dog Doo dah band , canyons of your mind , it's supposed to be funny I think , but have a listen, I had my mouth open listening and laughing though it , it's referenced on Billy the Mountain, by Zappa Carnegie hall 35 Min so smile bro , have a listen I try to learn one new thing a day check it out you'll be stunned , I think . R
how does one get DMCAd by the most mysterious unknown song on the internet?
thats what i thought
I think it's just CF being overly cautious? I saw a similar vid abt TMS a couple weeks ago that played the song in full nesr the beginning and afaik that's still up
I think he was referring to the song he was comparing it to. I've seen multiple videos playing the whole song, and they've never been claimed. Even sparking jokes about how you know it's mysterious when even TH-cam doesn't give you a strike on behalf of Sony or Warner Chappell.
I thought that too. Wouldn't getting DMCA'd add to the investigation?
what are you talking about
song writer / composer got DMCA'd by their own song because youtube system is fucked up
I rented a DX7 for a weekend in 1984 to record some songs with some friends. And we weren't any known band. In that time period it was pretty easy to get access to a DX7 without having to have been a well known band.
I think the price of the DX-7 is over emphasized. Every musician knows someone who spends all of their money on better gear.
More importantly, the keyboard parts are not especially complicated nor are they essential to the song. It's very possible the DX-7 was something owned by the studio where they cut the song.
And where were you living in 1984?
@@kolejnytrup Uhh, probably in a house 💀 cornball ass "gotcha!"
You seem to have missed the point. It’s not that you couldn’t put your hands on it if you weren’t famous, but, rather, WHEN.
I also raised this point back when Whang did a video about this song. While the DX7 was released in 1983, at first it was only available in Japan. There was an insane amount of demand for it from all over the world, and even if you were famous, you were part of a line. It took until 1984 for the DX7 to finally be readily available elsewhere - and THEN you may have had the chance to put your hands on one. Therefore, it’s unrealistic to consider that this song is from 1983, when even some iconic names from the industry weren’t easily getting their units. THAT was the point.
Radio stations have been archiving their music since they began. They know its most likely at NDR. Surely someone currently working there would be curious enough to start digging around those dates. It's there somewhere.
10,000 plus records and it even then MIGHT not have been on vinyl format
I wouldn’t be surprised if they taped over it, it seems like a relatively small and unknown song so there would be no reason to keep the master tape for a small artist
No, but maybe scipts of the broadcast, paperwork with notes or other stuff.
Archives get trashed all the time. The BBC tapes over master episodes of Doctor Who
@@GladeSwope looks like it was both "Between approximately 1967 and 1978, large quantities of videotape and film stored in the BBC's Engineering department and film libraries were wiped or destroyed to make way for newer programmes.[1] This happened for several reasons, primarily the belief that there was no practical value to its retention."
Awesome video and very up to date. Considering how old this song is, we might be running out of time, but I hope we get to know the answer. Thanks for the shout-out!
Seeing Whang in other people’s videos is such a cool full circle moment for me.
Now that it's been found we can confirm all the people in this vid that claimed to be a part of it were just trolling lmao
That was Joy Division singing in German.
Hahaha no it wasn’t.
😂😂😂 I thought joy division as well!!!! Then put it to my google music player and solved that mystery super fast!!! Debunked! Statues in motion Alvin Dean Next mystery please!!!
Blind the wind, The Strangers , he sing the opening words , Blind the wind , look it up , Strangers Blind the wind , 82
It is "Subways of Your Mind" by FEX
"I can't play much of the song due to DMCA" Claimed by who? This song has to be copyright-free, right?
That's the thing I don't get. If a copyright claim gets filed, it includes the copyright owner and the song title. So either someone's trolling the copyright (which can be disputed and is illegal to do, not that there's even any punishment for it) or...this isn't a mystery.
Ronnie's song where he was comparing the voices.
He said that likely not for the lost song but for the song he was using as a comparison.
Copyright trolls do be trolling.
After r/TheMysteriousSong search members kept contacting Billy Knight he realised the song was actually popular, so he registered the (english) song to Statues in Motion. Same thing happened with Ronnie Rocket, he registered the German version of it.
that Ronnie dude might be a bit of an asshole but that doesn't mean he can't be our guy. Same thing happened to Feels Like a Wish (former "Fond My Mind"). The composer was found but refused to cooperate, and we could only REALLY find the song cus some other dude who worked with him in the 80s had a copy of it. If we were relying on Edde (the composer) wanting to help, that song would have never been solved.
I'm not familiar with the story but that's very strange that he wouldn't want to cooperate.. did he have something against the artist? Otherwise that makes no sense to me.
I’m not familiar with that particular lost song either but the Ronnie Rocket guy sounds less like an asshole and more… unstable imo. I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re right though.
@@BlackFlagHeathen The 80s were…. Rough on some people. 😅
stg edde eggman was on coke or somthn when we were seein about him.
@@Deutritium93 The EKT writer was ecstatic to learn about the popularity of his song, so much that he's going to re-record it because he can't find the original. Not all the singers in the 80's were like that haha
I think the biggest problem is that no one from the German TH-cam or generally social media scene is talking about this. I’ve only ever heard about it from English creators.
If anyone is gonna find this song it’s trough someone’s parents who knows the local band.
I’m convinced it could be found if some German influencers brought some traction into the topic within Germany.
Song: Crying at the Discoteque (Alcazar)
@@VielenDank literally nothing like it
@@pupdawn the Sound behind it. Is little bit similar.
A german radio station played the song with the aim of getting someone to find out something, but no one came forward with any new information.
There were even TH-camrs from Poland, so it's actually interesting that in the country where the song was found, no one talks...
The search of 40 years has finished, Like the wind has finally solved (its was found at the day of birthday) "FEX - Subways of your mind"
The Song was found. Its called subways of your mind by fex.
The 40 year hunt is over. This year has been a great year for lost media as a whole.
amazing year !
As a native Greek speaker i believe that the song's lyrics sounds like "english with greek accent to me" just like their album SIM. Very normal for some boys back in 83 to not have perfect english accent. The story about George Dalabiras moving to Germany bringing the tms song there sounds posible, but onli him, Dalabiras , can confirm or deny it. If he is alive. From your communication with Bily, did he told you if they are still on touch? If he knows where he lives?
Dates make sense too. And i say that as a fellow greek.
Greek rock music like this started to be made in Greece at the time. I think they resemble Trypes a bit.
I believe Billy. I think the guys that made this simply don't give a damn anymore.
It is not SIM.
As a German I hear an accent closer to Germany so idk what to think
It has been found! Subways of Your Mind by FEX
Tbf I was a heavy drug user when I was musician and I forgot a lot of things I did when I was a drug addict that decades later remembered when people told me about it
A lot of 70s kids were born that way (mostly alcohol one night stands)
@@dertythegrower definitely lol
@@dertythegrowerAh yes the degen generation . Lovely..
Makes sense. I mean, just look at David Bowie. Because all the stuff he was doing
he didn't even remember having recorded Station to Station. Just, memory-holed out
If you got a DMCA strike - wouldn't that tell you who *filled* the claim, and therefore who owns the rights to the song? I mean you can't get a DMCA strike from no one.
@ChadWSmith
I uploaded it to my channel and got a copyright claim, but it doesn't give you information on who owns the copyright. You could go ahead and try it yourself and see what happens.
A claim is not the same as a strike. In a claim, the owner allows you to use the song. I kept the video private but the AI found out there was a claim on it.
In an ideal world, sure, Encyclopedia Brown. However, copyright trolls are a thing, especially since TH-cam doesn't have the most robust DMCA system.
@@Psalm1267 Maybe it's an anonymous copyright troll making false claims without providing any information, because based of what I know so far, YT's automated copyright ID system can't just simply generate any copyright claims out of thin air because the artist or the label needs to submit all their copyright files in order to be verified by YT, and it can be easily exploited by any trolls pretending to be the original artist.
Remember that invisible unicode letters actually exist and it's commonly used to make "blank" video title or "channels with no name". I'm pretty sure the troll uses that kind of invisible letter to "blank out" the artist name
i got this upload confused with LEMMINO , but still tho thats like the best compliment ever
how
@@RYRY1002 Lemmino is the goat of youtube documentaries
@@NielsRenkema Lemmino is freakin fantastic! I have seen most of his vids multiple times.
Lemmino is one of the best "documentary" youtubers here tbh. Wish he'd post more though
I clicked for the same reason
. Was expecting that signature voice but then it went south
When the internet dies, this song will be in the credits.
😂😂😂👏
I've seen this same comment copy and pasted on every video on this song.
I thought it will be, “You are my sunshine ☀️, my only sunshine ☺️”.
Nice copy/paste bro
Hear that?? Me neither.
That Ronnie fellow who claims to have co-written and co-performed the song was totally coked up while sending those emails. No normal person types like that, even if they're angry or otherwise worked up over something. He very well might have something to do with the song, but his head is screwed up beyond all belief from all the drugs he's presumably taken over the course of his life.
As in mcgovney?
40 years later, Its FINALLY been found (FEX- Subways of your mind)
On a side-note, Statues in Motion is a totally badass name for a band
Chill Fuel is back baybay!
I stepped away from the research a few months ago, then got curious as to where it's at. Thanks for the updates!
FEX - Subways Of Your Mind (1983)
found today (4/11/2024 / 11/4/2024)
After 40 years it's finally been found. FEX - Subways Of Your Mind (1983).
I like the way you talk so calmly, and I did not know about the 2 specific dates yet! I just finished my 25 year search for my personal music mystery (which turned out to be much more "trivial"/well-known than I thought and was solved by searching a little differently than I used to...), so I am "hungry" for new interesting facts about TMMS!
what was it 🙏
I called it the Cantering Notes but it is really Ayacucho by James Last/originally by Los Chaskis. 25000 clicks on TH-cam and no one could connect the dots until now... So I wish us all good luck connecting the dots right for TMMS
Everytime I listen to this song, I get such an eerie feeling. It actually creeps me out a bit. Don't understand why though.
Same for me lol
Me too, this song is kinda creepy to me.
It has that Molchat Doma vibe about it even though they aren’t even close to the same style or time.
it's like the band has been trapped in a room since 1984 playing the same song over and over until we find out who they are
i get creeped out by listening to any lost/unknown song
The radio channel nrd where it come from was contacted, and a mystery show from germany went and talked about it, seemingly being THE ONLY song they don't remember playing
that's it, I believe this came from a parallel universe. There's too many things changing in our timeline, even the fucking place we are in in the milky way galaxy, and people wanna say "nah everyone is just having the same exact false memory, they misremembered" I would like you to remember the false memory theory was created by a bunch of abusers trying to silence their victims by saying all their trauma is just a false memory and that they shouldn't be mentally ill whatsoever.
I read a comment under one of the videos about this song which really fits. It went something like:
"If the Internet ever ends (probably along with the whole world), this song will be the ending credits song to The Internet. ". The mood of the song really fits lol.
Everyone Knows That/Ulterior Motives is another famous lost song, but we only have a tiny snippet of that one. these situations can be pretty discouraging :/
edit: well... maybe this song is from an 80s porno too lol
They found it in a 80s porno, don’t give up
It was solved today ! Albeit, it to a rather funny and unexpected conclusion lol
@@anxyietoono way
FOUND AND LYRICS CONFIRMED
well
THEY FOUND IT
It’s on iTunes. It sounds great, I added it to my KTSW playlist, but iTunes gave credit to Alvin Dean and Statues in Motion, but that’s not who created it.
What if Alvin Dean sang it alone or he just has a similar singing style?
IT HAS BEEN FOUND! FEX - Subways of your mind (1983)
I'm so glad there's a full length remaster of this. I love lost songs! My current favorite is a lost late 80's song called Without you solved on reddit. I can't stop listening! I'm compiling as many of these lost gems as I can!
The end of the video makes it sound like this song is ancient. If it was recorded in 84 and the band members averaged 20 years old (a fair presumption) they're only just now turning 60. They're not in the grave just yet.
@@MRed0135I could be wrong, but a lot of youtube commenters post nonsense and stereotypes, you know.
(It's easy to write a stereotype as if it's fact.)
@@Darxide23 I mean the Brandl guy who may be involved in it died over 30 years ago and also just because it is a stereotype doesn't mean that there isn't some basis in fact. Also even if they are alive that does not mean that they even are on social media or can be contacted.
This being from a yugoslavian band makes surprsingly much sense since the main singer seems to have a slavic accent.Also the style is very similar to other bands in that genre that were popular in the area such as Kino
Today is a great day for the internet
Thanks for including me in your video at 18:58! The Yamaha DX7 was quite popular back then and basically every synth player owned one, so I think the chance that the band used it on TMMS is high. Although I used the VST version here and not the hardware itself, it does sound very close to the synth in the original record.
It was found!FEX - Subways Of Your Mind. By the way, why is the systemica video now private?
Finding "hard evidence" for authorship of a song that was, in all likelihood, neved published, 30-40 years later is a tough ask of any creator. Why would anyone have kept anything - probably deemed worthless - for this much time? I mean, I wrote a couple of song ideas for the band of a friend some 25 years ago (none would eventually be developed into songs). If that demo surfaced on the internet today, I could give you no "hard evidence" that I wrote it, because the notepads I wrote the lyrics in are long gone, the computer I used to hammer together a good enough demo (certainly unenjoyable by today's standards) is also long gone... I could not even produce emails, as back then we kept contact in person and via phone... Now, why would the alleged author of the song have any "hard evidence"?
And let's not forget, this "most mysterious song" was made in a time when recordings were kept on large roll tapes or cassettes. Even floppy disks are not really an option, let alone CD-s...
(All in all, the most likely answer to the mystery is an unknbown but aspiring German band managing to sneak a demo in to the radio station hoping to get picked up by someone in a recording studio - which never happened, and so the band moved on, maybe disbanded... And if so, if any member of that band ever sees a video like this and learns of this "most mysterious song" thing, the mystery community may be lucky enough to have a band member who can, indeed, produce some hard evidence - if not, it'll be another "we did it, but I can't prove it" case...
It remains possible that someone who WAS involved in the recording (but has no hard evidence in hand) could finally come out and genuinely recount the story of the song... how it was written and by whom, what inspired it, who played the parts, where and how it was recorded, plus any interesting anecdotes that describe things that happened during the process. This would unearth a treasure trove of details that could be verified, especially the location of the studio. For either of the two discredited characters to claim that they "don't remember" but then change their story only to become difficult about it, not sharing unique details about the recording, certainly seem fishy to me. Yeah, maybe there were memory-fading drugs involved at the time, but I stand by the belief that someone who was truly part of the song's birth could provide unique details to prove their story.
@@KOZMOGRAFX The question is who would believe that person - and that's regardless whether or not the claim is true.
@@bioLarzen Again, if they are decent about it, and they reveal details that are actually traceable and make sense.
@@KOZMOGRAFX I hear you - the problem is that this song got so famous that it is easy to imagine musicians wanting to be associated wth it, even if they are really not. And it's not hard to sound genuine. And to reveal details that are actually traceable... yeah, that would go a long way towards establishing genuine ownership... but once again: what are the odds of any musician keeping anything related to a song made about 40 years ago and, in all likelihood, never actually released as a complete song on a record, single or compilation? Sure, it's in the realm of possibilities (I quite recently found a school copybook of mine from my elementary school years from roughly the same are as the song was born...) - but it's just not really likely.
But hey, I for one am sure rooting for you to be right at the end of the day ;)
@@bioLarzen Finally someone making sense among this trainwreck of a mystery.
I've been trying to track down a copy of a certain demotape made in 1991 with roughly 30 copies made and while I've managed to track down a large portion of it, it was quite a ride with more being revealed by chance/luck than structured searching. Funnily enough I played back one of the songs to the known, original author who was like "oh, I'd have to check my copy ... no idea what song this is ... possibly ".
I thought this channel was dead.. Well this is a nice treat..
How can you be DMCA'd if nobody can prove the actual artist or owner?
@MR0KITTY I think he's more worried about Ronnie's song.
Funny thing, I did and posted a cover on TH-cam (see my channel) and when I posted it, it said copyright material was detected, but that the owner allows free use. Seems strange.
@@TheDeadEndFriendsSound There's talk of whoever is copyright claiming it is doing it is a fraud.
My brother doesn't want this mystery to even be solved.
Its a symptom of the Internet that we think all answers should be available.
I don’t know if it’s a symptom of the internet specifically. Lots of people enjoy not only reading mystery novels, but also enjoy working to solve open mysteries. The internet is just a tool to help facilitate that.
Humans have always been curious and seeking the truth behind mysterious things. It‘s not a symptom of the internet. It‘s just human nature
Well, your brother must be sad now.
Glad to have you back bro
IT HAS BEEN SOLVED
I wonder if a language expert has been engaged to determine the lead singers accent. I know, probably German, but maybe the region could be narrowed down.
Georgios (George) Dalambiras, aka Alvin Dean, sang this song. Doesn't everyone know this by now? After Statues in Motion broke up, he went to Germany, recorded his music, also made a demo with Yannis Beltekas. His song was played on the radio as a way of undercutting the producer that didn't feel it was ready. The rest is history. But, for some reason, people still feel the need to keep the mystery alive. It is his song and his voice.
Source?
@@sya_7489 Sorces(s): Trust me bro....
That’s a theory. It’s never been confirmed.
For a lostwave to be considered solved there must be concrete evidence of who the author is. Speculation alone won't work...
The song itself is a banger. The guitar, synth, vocals and bass parts are fine could be modernised with better drumming and a more varied bridge. If an EP with different versions EDM, metal etc was made I'd buy it.
99% of mystery songs on the Internet are just Sandstorm by Darude.
How is a song without an owner DMCA?
@ryanosborne7534
@ryanosborne7534
I think he's more concerned about Ronnie filing a DMCA.
Funny thing, I did and posted a cover on TH-cam (see my channel) and when I posted it, it said copyright material was detected, but that the owner allows free use. Seems strange.
@@TheDeadEndFriendsSound I see that on a lot of my videos. It's relevant if you monetize, because if it's copyright claimed, you are not allowed to allow embedding, and they get the ad revenue from it.
If you don't monetize, you still aren't allowed to allow embedding. but otherwise it's no big deal.
In any case, you have to keep an eye out all the time for take-down requests.
I’m sure this has been brought up already, but in the US, radio stations have to keep logs of the songs they air and submit that list to ASCAP. In Germany they have two companies: GEMA and SUISA. Perhaps they could provide a lead or two to follow.
Came here from Professor of Rock's Video also covering this song you can hear more of it there and it's from June17th , 2024
I've been interested in this story but not actively following it, so I appreciate this video a lot 🥰
It has finally been found! The song is Subways of your mind by the german band HEX
FEX*
Lolf
i thought i was suffering a case of Mandela Effect as i swore i saw a video about this before...
oh yeah. the channel All Things Lost covered THIS EXACT SAME STORY less than a month ago!
GOOD FAKE SONG
Lots of folks have covered it :)
Right I was like how have I heard all this story and even the song before? 😂
Still good enough to hear again
Seriously, one channel blows up with another repeat retold Reddit thread then all the clout chasers copy it.
@@ivan4087fake? sure bud.
I have reason to believe that The Mysterious Song was made by a well-known band that people are overlooking, and that when it IS found, it will be in the most unexpected place and unexpected way. Many of the largest lost media searches ended up being found in rather unconventional ways, like fellow lostwave song "Ulterior Motives" (aka. "Everyone Knows That") being found in an adult film of all places, or the original Backrooms photo being found on the archive of a website for a random thrift store in Wisconsin.
There's a big reason I don't believe in either the Statues in Motion or Ronnie Rocket leads. Ronnie comes off like a blatant con artist who's just using the search for attention, and the same goes for Billy Knight because I doubt a major radio station would play an unreleased song from an obscure one-album band most people have never heard of, especially since most of the songs from the NDR playlists are from well-known bands, while Statues in Motion is so obscure they're not even on Spotify or Last FM while countless "One-hit-wonder" artists from the same era are.
Going by all the playlists and mix tapes, it just feels odd for an unknown or lesser-kown artist to be on the same playlist with largely several well-known artists. That's the part that gets me most, TMS just feels like an outlier, it feels very out-of-place. That's why I'm convinced that a more well-known artist made it, and that it most likely originates from some sort of B-sides album. When the song IS eventually found, I imagine it will be in the last place anyone would look.
I've been convinced on alvin dean since it was brought up but i dont find the voices that much similar anymore, who knows maybe someone will randomly solve this one too one day.
Around 2007 I changed the name of my MySpace-music to "Red Jumpsuit Aparatus" (because they were #1 on MySpace at the time). I got 10s of thousands of plays downloads in a couple days, and then the account was completely erased. I hope those songs are a mystery for someone someday.
do you have recordings of the songs?
My best friend done this remix slowed down version of Goodbye Horses by Q Lazzarus at one point. Q Lazzarus died a couple of years ago and is now getting loads of hits and royalties from it, which is kind of cool. Kind of not cool. He's called Skat Injector if you want to hear it. His other songs are nothing like this. Be warned..
ekt is 40 years old, this has been searched for 40 years
when ekt was made, this song was being searched for
Not really it has been searched since 2007 but 40 years ago is when Darius recorded the song
@@maumudakhatun9023 close enough
its been mysterious since then anyways
I wonder how many songs have been played in radios over the years with no one recording them and they were lost forever with no one having any idea they ever existed.
Way too many
@@MrTeton This thought causes pain, because art is something that should be preserved...
It was claimed in an older video that someone who has access to the archives of NDR was contacted, but didn't have the time to skim through that mass of audio to find it. Sadly I can't find the video where I have heard that claim. Does anybody know what I am talking about?
Yes, I saw the same video but can't recall the channel😢
So really what's going to be needed is either they need to have the time to go through it themselves which is unlikely or someone with trustworthy credentials being able to set aside time and get permission to go through it themselves.
That’s not true. NDR has no audio archives of their 1984 shows. What they do have, and provided to the r/TheMysteriousSong mods on Reddit was the playlists. These are paper files containing all tracks played on a particular show.
Basically the title of the song has always been taken for granted, and presumed only by reaching the 'chorus' section, plucking out a whimsical sentence that 'might' identify it. The reality is that the song was written with a more obscure epitaph. When someone comes forward and automatically claims that they penned this track they always fall into the trap of accepting the makeshift title, which alone makes it suspicious. So, if this was a 'B-side' single, hurriedly recorded and sent to the Radio Station it was pure 'pot luck' to gain any air play and obscures perhaps the true identity a little further. If the original Band are not hopeful in being traced then we could also assume that a sound engineer/producer of the original Demo will actually remember filing it and working on the project. It may be still hidden in some can on a shelf just collecting dust with their other recordings, and yes, there has to be more material by this artist, somewhere ? Other than that, we can also imagine that this Band may have appeared in some venue and being promoted on a poster, where obviously they must have attracted a following and felt the necessity to produce a record in the first place. It's hard to believe that they spent their entire existence just parading around a basement and taping obscure music just for the fun of it, there was a definite purpose for their being. Young music followers would have witnessed them at some stage. The answers are out there as memory serves a greater tool than just reliance on cyber searching alone. Some food for thought.
Listening to the amateur drumming on the song, it makes me think it was someone's high school band or something and was unlikely to be an established band that was out there touring or whatever. I'm guessing someone who worked on the radio station was acquainted with someone from that band, got asked to play it, and just did it once as a favor. They probably didn't want to list it in the logs since technically they shouldn't have been playing it. They may not have even announced the song after it played.
The voice kinda sounds like the lead singer from Alphaville which is a German band that was extremely active in the time frame of the broadcast. Maybe it was theirs and they just didn't really go anywhere further with the song, abandoned it or something.
Anyone try to see if it was from them?
@TheShattenjager "Anyone try to see if it was from them?" The best way to find out is to go the subreddit r/The MysteriousSong and search first, and if you don't find anything, post your question. They don't want anyone to just go and bother someone without asking first, because they might have been inundated with questions already.
FEX - Subways of Your Mind (1984)
SUBWAYS OF YOUR MIND FEX
NDR's 10khz line is believed to be caused by a standard piece of equipment. This doesn't confirm NDR as the broadcaster but it makes them very likely. The "drift" in the line is more likely to be caused by the tape running at different speeds in the machine than the tower.
Unfortunately the Yugoslavian lead was disproven as quickly as it came up.
You're also wrong about all of the songs being found on the playlists Madam Butterfly ( ver Maxi) was never found on the radio playlists. This is of course pedantic.
Guess what
makes me think about all the other songs lost and forgotten through time
I actually remember hearing this song on the radio, but I had no idea when this must've been a song that sounded similar
I might be a bit off but it hear
"Blind the wind
You came here running
Take your consequence of living
There's no space
There’s no tomorrow
There’s no sense of dedication
Check it in, Check it out
Or the sun will never shine
Better not, Any way
Fill the somber of your mind
Blind the wind
You’re gonna suffer
There’s no sunny hill avail
There’s no place
There’s no sorrow
In the arms of your sweetheart
Check it in, Check it out
Or the sun will never shine
Better not, Any way
Fill the somber of your mind
-musical break-
Check it in, Check it out
Or the sun will never shine
Better not, Any way
Fill the somber of your mind
Check it in, Check it out (Cause the sun will move)
Check it in, Check it out (It's the reason) x5-6"
😂
Put up , or shut up ! Billy Naughty Boy mates band Naughty Boy , cool I liked it .1995 Battle Bands winner Melb Australia,
Hey guys, my father claims it could be the former Czechoslovak band that he used to listen to at smaller underground music gigs. They were active during the late 80’s and early 90’s and often changed names and singers. In the 90’s they moved from the eastern block post-punk sound to more electronic sound and after that he hasn’t heard of them anymore. But about a year ago he discovered a YT channel called ARS Studio Productions and discovered their songs there. Here is a link to one of their songs sounding very similar to this one called Free:
th-cam.com/video/yQIAhihNJIM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=2Ic7zfmYtVD-H_cN
There are no links in the description
this song is literally my goth post punk dream it sucks that no one knows it, would add to my playlist in a heartbeat
You can though, it’s on Apple Music, it’s just called The Most Mysterious Song on the Internet by The Most Mysterious Band.
@@MusicLover-kz6rc yeah i just found out you can add it on spotify a month ago
We did it boys.
We found the Most Mysterious Song on the Internet.
Oddly similar personal situation. Ripped a song off Myspace as a kid in the early 2000s. Found it over a decade later on a burnt CD. No clue what it is. Not sure what the accept is or even if the entire song is in English. Never been able to identify it. Hopefully 40 years from now I won't still be searching.
upload the song
Upload it so maybe someone might recognize it.
Wow you went deep dude, this was interesting. Keep it up
Here is what I think happened with the song;
If this song was produced in east Germany, then it's highly likely that the tapes or disks simply werent preserved once they had played it on the radio enough times.
And the band more than likely didnt even have the rights to their own song to begin with, so what motivation did they have to keep their demo tapes?
You’re clearly not an artist if you don’t understand why they would keep copies of their own work.
Maybe whoever made the song had a friend at the radio station or just casually knew someone working there. Maybe this person simply handed over a tape and asked him to play it as a favor? Or someone at the station just played it because he thought it was interesting or just wanted to try something different?
2:29 That is not how you spell Depeche Mode and Corey Hart. The song is also just called Sunglasses at Night.
speaking of mysterious media although what I'm about to talk about isn't as mysterious but I looked nonstop for about a week before giving up both because I felt like I couldn't and because I was sick of losing sleep over something so pointless. It was a youtube series. I can't remember what any of the videos were titled, any of the characters, or the name of who made it.
Now all I do is leave comments hopping someone knows what I'm talking about. But writting these comments takes 10 minutes so I'm not gonna say anything unless I know someone is listening
There was a a very good version of the song played in its entirety here on TH-cam. Look for the version with a cassette playing as the video.
IT'S BEEN FOUND! It's Subways of Your Mind by FEX
Ronnies email, if it really his email, is trying really hard to be a scam email lol
His attitude is perfactly in line with being an austrian artist from Vienna, tho.
It looks a lot like the hypergraphia type of writing that you see in people with schizophrenia. Not saying he's schizophrenic, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was.
A buddy of mine in a club band had a Yamaha DX7 in 1984
This whole idea of a DX7 being premium and not used by bands is completely ridiculous. It was incredibly common in 1984. The middle school where I volunteer taught music had a dX7 sitting around. No one really liked it. It became legendary much later when 80's synth trash became kitsch. People liked moogs and such back then - like Rush
If You check out the internet, Rick Moore & the Hypocrites play a cover version of this song that sounds very close to the version all of us have heard for many years on the internet. The song is live and it is in German.
Do you have a link to what radio stations broadcasted the song for the search? I can only find the paul baskerville broadcast on TH-cam
Elvin didn't even need to move to Germany if a producer found a cut track and decided to sell it to a foreign market without knowing who or what it belonged to.
I missed the videos from this channel.
Hope you upload more often, it is really good content.
I've seen all the videos.
just because ronnie is angry and making threats doesnt mean he is less likely to be the co-author. why would anyone get angry and frustrated over something that's not theirs. if he was lying and trolling, he would be laughing by now. if he is the actual co-author and no one believed him, he has every right to be extremely angry. so angry that he is willing to make threats and go to jail.
It doesn't help that this sounds like most indie rock from the 80s and 90s
It seems to me that we basically have the answer to this big question, but nobody has actually gone to the trouble of getting a solid confirmation from one of the few people who can provide it.
The song has Alvin Dean on vocals. That much is obvious to me. A song recorded after Statues In Motion split. Could’ve sworn I saw something about one of the other musicians Dean worked with during that time frame making reference to a dispute with the record label he was signed to at the time, which ended with them not allowing some of his later recorded material to be officially marketed. And that this was one of those songs, and it just somehow made its way into the hands of a radio DJ one day and got played once.
Though there has been speculation that Alvin Dean may have passed away, nobody has actually found any documentation of such. If anything, there have been a few hints that he’s still alive, and likely living in Australia.
He has a unique real name. Find him. Buy the guy dinner in exchange for talking about his music career to clear everything up. It’s probably that easy.
If you can’t find him, several other musicians he recorded with during that period are out there. A similar dinner/conversation with them could lead to some sort of confirmation.
Confirmation which… we basically already got, when the last thing Billy Knight said on the subject of the song was that “Alvin made it.” That’s a pretty confident, declarative statement. Though he initially tried to say SIM recorded it as a demo, he eventually conceded that it was actually just Alvin’s project. Someone doing a real, on the record, journalistic interview with Billy may even be enough. Pissing him off on Facebook is all that anyone has really accomplished with him yet.
Alvin Dean is the answer. Someone just needs to be the hero in this story and interview him and/or his friends. Who’s gonna follow through?
You? :) It’s not like Reddit/Discord members haven’t tried to find him.
@@GustavoSantos88I don’t live in Australia. Others involved in the search are.
Debunked
@@nullinlack585 Let’s think back to the case of Edde Edman for a minute. Lostwave community didn’t believe he was the artist behind Fond My Mind/Feels Like A Wish. People called him a liar. He felt disrespected and got confrontational about it (justifiably so, as he was just trying to provide the answer). He had no “proof” because he recorded the song so long ago. Everyone wrote him off as being “debunked.” Turns out he was telling the truth. He wrote the song. If someone else didn’t eventually find the tape (to provide doubters physical “proof”) he would have been labeled a liar forever. It was such a disappointing story, which the entire lostwave community should LEARN FROM.
I feel Billy Knight is the same situation. He has already clarified that he helped write the song we know as Like The Wind, and that Alvin Dean was the artist who made the recording that we have of the song now. If Alvin Dean is in fact dead, and Eli Kane (the guy who wrote the lyrics) is also deceased, that means Billy is one of the only people alive with the answer.
Just like with Edde Edman, as soon as people started calling him a liar, he felt disrespected and got confrontational. I don’t blame him.
Maybe he’s a liar. Who knows? But to write off the lead completely would be a gigantic mistake. He has nothing to gain financially by telling us the background of the song. We’re honestly a bunch of jerks for treating him like this.
Abandoning leads is a huge mistake. Christopher Booth was sitting on Reddit as a lead for months with nobody following up on it until recently. Same with K-Girls. Don’t abandon leads. Investigate them fully.
And in the case of Billy Knight, a real RESPECTFUL journalistic follow up with him about it could be the answer.
He has absolutely not been “debunked.”