Actually, it's well established that the Borg "proper" survived the events of "Endgame" but the loss of their Transwarp Hubs set them back quite a bit.
To quote from Picard, the original Borg were “functionally hobbled” by Janeway’s neurolytic pathogen. Essentially kneecapped for the past 30 years, at least as far the Federation is concerned.
Honestly the Bounty might be the most important ship in that museum. Saved the whales, earth and starfleet headquarters. Not saying voyager betting the crap out of the borg wasn't more important. Just that voyager may never have happened without star trek 4....or maybe🤷♂️And I could watch the defiant fight all day 🖖🙂 awesome as always my friend 🖖
That’s a good point. Never thought of it that way. We all love a good whale story 😂. It’s hilarious how a Klingon Bird of Prey ended up saving Starfleet 🖖
That was a really amazing video 2 of the greatest Starships in combat against each other really amazing I'd love 2 C the USS Defiant vs the Devore Imperium
The key to fighting any ship with pulse weapons is to either keep your distance so you can evade their weapons, or get in their tight inside the weapon arcs. Because Sisko likes to swing for the fences.
Agreed. Peace with the Klingons saved the Federation as seen in Yesterday's Enterprise and kept the Romulans at bay in the TNG cold war and saved the Federation in the Dominion War.
In relation to the Borg Queen I theorise that there are 2 Borg queens, 2 factions, the one seen in Star Trek: Picard is now the peaceful Borg and the other one in the Delta Quadrant.
@@derekdiltz5978 I’m not forgetting them, when I wrote this I was thinking about them but as far as know they don’t have a Queen they are a cooperative, just as you said. There might be only 2 Borg queens. I wonder though if say in the 32nd century that cooperative is part of the federation, what do you think their future could be especially as they are located in the delta Quadrant, they are vulnerable as they don’t have a ship to protect them, what do you think, will we ever see them again?
Good video. What I gathered from the latest Picard episode is, it does in fact confirm that the Defiant (Sao Palo) did not have cloak... Why? Because why would they have taken the cloak from the Bounty, which is at the very least a century old and not from the Defiant which more then likely had a more newer and advanced cloak? I loved that episode by the way... It also, sadly, confirms that the Enterprise E was in fact destroyed... So I am sad about that... The Enterprise E wasn't in the museum, unless, it was literally inside the station and we simply haven't seen it yet.
i theorize that the cloaking device was returned to the Romulans at some point prior to it being decommissioned or perhaps never was given a cloaking device as the original purpose was for intelligence sharing from the Gamma Quadrant. with the war raging in the Alpha/Beta quadrants and subsequent end of the war, no need to loan Starfleet another cloak
Ya the Sao Paulo when they renamed her Defiant didn't have a cloaking device like the original. The Romulans loaned the Federation a cloaking device only for use in the Gamma Quadrant and to gather intel on the Dominion. In the episode "Way Of The Warrior", Sisko used it in Federation space to get to Dukat to escort his ship out of the war zone when they were at war with the Klingons because of the idiot Gowron. Anyways Bashir reminded Sisko that their use of the cloaking device in the Alpha Quadrant was strictly prohibited with their agreement with the Romulans. He acknowledged that but then reminded him there were hundreds of Klingon ships between them and Dukat and he wanted to make the rendezvous in one piece. I agree the most important ship to the fleet museum was Voyager. I think the second most important was the Enterprise-A, simply because Kirk commanded it.
This was great both ships hold a special place in my heart and for me are the warrior arm of Starfleet. Is it just me or do the pulse phaser take to long to "reload"
Yea there are two different Borg collector, but the other one was crippled that want Agnes said in season two episode one of Star Trek the Picard and seven agreed too
I don't think Voyager would be the most important ship in the fleet museum. It might be the most popular and the most visited but as for most important that would easily go to one of the Entetprise's.
I have to disagree about Voyager being the top dog at the Museum. Maybe for recency bias, but several ships have had more of an impact on the history of the Federation. The most impact? NX-01 probably. So many human firsts, so many first contacts and above all the ship responsible for the birth of the Federation. Also saved Earth, and put an end to the destructive conflicts between Vulcan and Andor. After that, the Enterprise-A by virtue of being Kirk's ship, and responsible for peace with the Klingons.
No way Voyager would had beat the USS Defiant. Remember it was purely a war ship ("escort vessel"), extremely maneuverable, the quad phasers were her biggest weapon, and if you got into range to them, say goodbye.
Your dreaming Voyager was a match for the Enterprise E with her upgrades could beat 2 Defiants at once the Defiants cloak wouldn't hide her at close range Voyager had the best sensor's in the fleet and could configure her defectors to emitter Tachyon pulses when they collide with a solid object they reflect back allowing triangulation of the cloaked ships position only Thelaron which inhibits Tachyons and Phased cloaks are immune.
Your right! It doesn’t make sense. The Navy would never do that. For all they knew those ships would go on to save the Earth or something. I can understand with Voyager, maybe for research purposes 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Realistically, considering the sheer amount of older ships (Mirandas, Excelsiors, etc. that were probably destoryed during the Dominion War, the fleet would have to be rebuilt. However, I don't see them being able to afford or logistically be able to replace effectively the entire fleet. If anything we should see numerous Akiras, Sabers, Norways, Defiants, Prometheuses, Intrepids, Sovereigns, etc. as they were the most modern tech that existed immediately after the war. I could see a few newer ships, but they would be vastly outnumebred. Sort of how like during the Battle of Wolf 359 with the exception of the Galaxy and Nebula Class ships, everything else was TMP era or at least a few decades old. If they did this, it would have made people happy thanks to nostalgia and would have made more sense.
Voyager has a more powerful phaser, no, the Uss Defiant has 4 type 11 Pulse Phaser Cannons but Voyager had the standard type 10 Linear Phaser Strips, but ok if you mean actual raw ship power well yes maybe, Voyager might have had a more powerful Warp Core but I cannot confirm this, maybe someone else might be able to enlighten us.
Voyager had a class 9 warp drive that utilised tricylic imput mantel would put out twice the power output of the Defiants the Defiant had 4 Type XII pulce Phaser cannons 3 Type XII Phaser arrays and 6 Type 2 Mk 75 direct burst fire torpedoe launcher but would lose hands down to Voyager she only just beat the refitted Lakota.
I am sorry but uf the AI was any good the Defiant shoukd have won that. Its like they stopped bothering trying to win after a while. For me, the Defiant in the right hands is the stronger ship.
@@RetroBadgerGaming it was never shown in Canon but was mentioned in several comics. But in Jonathan Dax's timeline every starfleet starship has a cloaking device.
OMG Badger did not think that was possible WOW, "F the stupid Star Wars Ship Defiant" i can stand that ship Sir...yuck indeed, its so un-Star Trek. Well done Badger 😃.
Actually, it's well established that the Borg "proper" survived the events of "Endgame" but the loss of their Transwarp Hubs set them back quite a bit.
Shaw specifically said in Picard S3 that the Borg were still out there and specifically discounted the Borg from S2.
To quote from Picard, the original Borg were “functionally hobbled” by Janeway’s neurolytic pathogen. Essentially kneecapped for the past 30 years, at least as far the Federation is concerned.
I really enjoyed that haha. Battle of the relics of the fleet. Nothing beats the Star Trek of the late 1990’s. TNG, DS9, VOY
Agreed 🖖
Honestly the Bounty might be the most important ship in that museum. Saved the whales, earth and starfleet headquarters. Not saying voyager betting the crap out of the borg wasn't more important. Just that voyager may never have happened without star trek 4....or maybe🤷♂️And I could watch the defiant fight all day 🖖🙂 awesome as always my friend 🖖
That’s a good point. Never thought of it that way. We all love a good whale story 😂. It’s hilarious how a Klingon Bird of Prey ended up saving Starfleet 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming exactly how i feel about it to lol
I've seen a lot of ships get a refit, but I can't remember ever seeing a defiant refit...
That was a really amazing video 2 of the greatest Starships in combat against each other really amazing I'd love 2 C the USS Defiant vs the Devore Imperium
Ooooofff ty for the video bridge command give a nicer closer look at the ships at the fleet museum! LLAP!
The key to fighting any ship with pulse weapons is to either keep your distance so you can evade their weapons, or get in their tight inside the weapon arcs. Because Sisko likes to swing for the fences.
Mirandas and old excelsiors were the most important. There were hundreds and they were the workhorse of the fleet.
Obviously there's just a little bit of Crazy Janeway in you given that win...good job!
Thanks 🖖
Most important ship? Enterprise-A! 'Nuff said.
Agreed. Peace with the Klingons saved the Federation as seen in Yesterday's Enterprise and kept the Romulans at bay in the TNG cold war and saved the Federation in the Dominion War.
In relation to the Borg Queen I theorise that there are 2 Borg queens, 2 factions, the one seen in Star Trek: Picard is now the peaceful Borg and the other one in the Delta Quadrant.
You're forgetting the Cooperative. There's 3 Borg collectives now.
@@derekdiltz5978 I’m not forgetting them, when I wrote this I was thinking about them but as far as know they don’t have a Queen they are a cooperative, just as you said. There might be only 2 Borg queens. I wonder though if say in the 32nd century that cooperative is part of the federation, what do you think their future could be especially as they are located in the delta Quadrant, they are vulnerable as they don’t have a ship to protect them, what do you think, will we ever see them again?
Fantastic piloting.
Good battles enjoyed u in the intrepid vs defiant & u didn’t use *Tricobalt,s*
Good video. What I gathered from the latest Picard episode is, it does in fact confirm that the Defiant (Sao Palo) did not have cloak... Why? Because why would they have taken the cloak from the Bounty, which is at the very least a century old and not from the Defiant which more then likely had a more newer and advanced cloak? I loved that episode by the way... It also, sadly, confirms that the Enterprise E was in fact destroyed... So I am sad about that... The Enterprise E wasn't in the museum, unless, it was literally inside the station and we simply haven't seen it yet.
i theorize that the cloaking device was returned to the Romulans at some point prior to it being decommissioned or perhaps never was given a cloaking device as the original purpose was for intelligence sharing from the Gamma Quadrant. with the war raging in the Alpha/Beta quadrants and subsequent end of the war, no need to loan Starfleet another cloak
Ya the Sao Paulo when they renamed her Defiant didn't have a cloaking device like the original. The Romulans loaned the Federation a cloaking device only for use in the Gamma Quadrant and to gather intel on the Dominion.
In the episode "Way Of The Warrior", Sisko used it in Federation space to get to Dukat to escort his ship out of the war zone when they were at war with the Klingons because of the idiot Gowron. Anyways Bashir reminded Sisko that their use of the cloaking device in the Alpha Quadrant was strictly prohibited with their agreement with the Romulans. He acknowledged that but then reminded him there were hundreds of Klingon ships between them and Dukat and he wanted to make the rendezvous in one piece.
I agree the most important ship to the fleet museum was Voyager. I think the second most important was the Enterprise-A, simply because Kirk commanded it.
most important? well considering what name and registry is on that connie refit I bet you it's that ship, considering peace with the klingons
Most important is a toss up between the NX-01 for its efforts in the Xindi War and the H.M.S. Bounty for bringing back the whales and saving Earth.
This proves that Captain Janeway should have said, "there's Ratakjino in that nebula!"
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Of course there is the Enterprise NX-01 refit which was barely glimpsed when Soong was talking about....well don't wanna spoil it
This was great both ships hold a special place in my heart and for me are the warrior arm of Starfleet. Is it just me or do the pulse phaser take to long to "reload"
Yea there are two different Borg collector, but the other one was crippled that want Agnes said in season two episode one of Star Trek the Picard and seven agreed too
I don't think Voyager would be the most important ship in the fleet museum. It might be the most popular and the most visited but as for most important that would easily go to one of the Entetprise's.
I have to disagree about Voyager being the top dog at the Museum. Maybe for recency bias, but several ships have had more of an impact on the history of the Federation. The most impact? NX-01 probably. So many human firsts, so many first contacts and above all the ship responsible for the birth of the Federation. Also saved Earth, and put an end to the destructive conflicts between Vulcan and Andor. After that, the Enterprise-A by virtue of being Kirk's ship, and responsible for peace with the Klingons.
She's still a beautiful ship that Intrepid Class.
The most important ship is the coffee & gelato dispensing ship
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Shouldn’t Voyager still have the armor plating from future Janeway?
A few people have commented stating, it was most likely highly classified. I think it was stripped off of the ship. 🖖
Starfleet isn't military so thay removed the future tech.
@@DanBen07 Starfleet isnt military? So who fought against the Dominion or the Borg?
I'd say the Defiant, because she did win the Domino War
Serious note " when humanity looses it's morales inhumane acts become the norm ". Real life & sci-fi .
No way Voyager would had beat the USS Defiant. Remember it was purely a war ship ("escort vessel"), extremely maneuverable, the quad phasers were her biggest weapon, and if you got into range to them, say goodbye.
Your dreaming Voyager was a match for the Enterprise E with her upgrades could beat 2 Defiants at once the Defiants cloak wouldn't hide her at close range Voyager had the best sensor's in the fleet and could configure her defectors to emitter Tachyon pulses when they collide with a solid object they reflect back allowing triangulation of the cloaked ships position only Thelaron which inhibits Tachyons and Phased cloaks are immune.
Makes no sense that they retired such new, important ships so soon.
Your right! It doesn’t make sense. The Navy would never do that. For all they knew those ships would go on to save the Earth or something. I can understand with Voyager, maybe for research purposes 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Realistically, considering the sheer amount of older ships (Mirandas, Excelsiors, etc. that were probably destoryed during the Dominion War, the fleet would have to be rebuilt. However, I don't see them being able to afford or logistically be able to replace effectively the entire fleet.
If anything we should see numerous Akiras, Sabers, Norways, Defiants, Prometheuses, Intrepids, Sovereigns, etc. as they were the most modern tech that existed immediately after the war. I could see a few newer ships, but they would be vastly outnumebred. Sort of how like during the Battle of Wolf 359 with the exception of the Galaxy and Nebula Class ships, everything else was TMP era or at least a few decades old.
If they did this, it would have made people happy thanks to nostalgia and would have made more sense.
Voyager has a more powerful phaser, no, the Uss Defiant has 4 type 11 Pulse Phaser Cannons but Voyager had the standard type 10 Linear Phaser Strips, but ok if you mean actual raw ship power well yes maybe, Voyager might have had a more powerful Warp Core but I cannot confirm this, maybe someone else might be able to enlighten us.
@@adamking4538 I was not sure, I appreciate your info, thank you
@Righteous Pursuit thank you, my brain has lots of Star Trek stuff but not everything, so thank you for enlightening me.
Voyager had a class 9 warp drive that utilised tricylic imput mantel would put out twice the power output of the Defiants the Defiant had 4 Type XII pulce Phaser cannons 3 Type XII Phaser arrays and 6 Type 2 Mk 75 direct burst fire torpedoe launcher but would lose hands down to Voyager she only just beat the refitted Lakota.
I am sorry but uf the AI was any good the Defiant shoukd have won that. Its like they stopped bothering trying to win after a while. For me, the Defiant in the right hands is the stronger ship.
It did have a cloaking device. It was just never used in the show.
The Defiant 2? I never knew that. 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming it was never shown in Canon but was mentioned in several comics. But in Jonathan Dax's timeline every starfleet starship has a cloaking device.
Well in the TV show the Second ship never had a cloaking device. Star Trek Armada there's a line about getting the ship a cloaking device.
Should have cobalt them
If you have the only time ship other ships are irrelevant .
Thats basically Armoured Voyager with transphasic torpedoes vs the Saō Paulo 🤫
Voyager would obliterate her but why would they fight each other they are friends and allies and Federation Starships.😮
Why voyager
@@thenibblershow5305 Stronger shielding armour Borg upgrades sub system targeting capabilities Tricobolt devices Gravametric torpedoes ect.
@@jasonwestwood7092 idk man
Does this game(s) run on steam deck?
Good question. I’ve got no idea. It would be ace if it did.
OMG Badger did not think that was possible WOW, "F the stupid Star Wars Ship Defiant" i can stand that ship Sir...yuck indeed, its so un-Star Trek.
Well done Badger 😃.