The fun thing with Keep Up Appearances is, Rage is an emotion effect, so you can have a Barbarian that never actively looks like it's raging, so suddenly the meek noble casually throws a table can totally happen
@@ProbablyEzra Reactions are totally usable on your turn, they just refresh on your turn. For example, if I raise my shield, then stride up to the enemy, and they have AoO, I could shield block their attack, and I don't see why I couldn't.
@@ShuraEssays Yeah, I just didn't know the system and was wrong, RAW reactions can be used on your own turn. I was just confused because the kinda main idea of reactions is that they allow you to act outside of your turn
Be me, Versatile Heritage Human > Get Adopted ancestry for dwarf > Get fighter class > select dwarf weapon familiarity > have access to dwarven war axe > it's treated as a martial weapon for me because of the feat > Get fighter specialization for axes at level 5 > I now have an advanced weapon at Master Proficiency at level 5
Actually Nonat, Errata did hit human when it comes to Languages: "Common Additional languages equal to 1 + your Intelligence modifier (if it's positive)."
The haughty obstinacy is another way to represent the notion of the human spirit. Not every human is such, but there are definitely the Captain Americas, John McLains (as someone mentioned), your One Punch Mans, who make it through on will alone. It lines up with the human zeal to create and conquer.
Multitalented is even better than you think for Half-elves. The ability to take a spell casting dedication without having to meet the stat requirements is amazing and lets you make some very interesting builds.
Technically, you could use Sense Allies to detect illusion effects of enemies who can disguise themselves as an ally. Like if a doppelganger was pretending to be someone, you likely aren't their ally, and you would detect that
I came from 5e D&D and through that, I learned VERY quick how good Variant Humans are, and finding out the absolute smorgasboard of feats that exist in Pathfinder for various things was like a sign from the heavens once we finish our campaign of Tomb of Annihilation, I am ABSOLUTELY going to take a dive into PF2E
Human half-elf with elf atavism to take a versatile heritage. Then go ancestor oracle. Use it to be adopted by another ancestry. For when you want to select from too many ancestry feats.
Humans decided to live where the air is so cold it literally freezes our lungs in deserts so hot it scorches our flesh and climbed a mountain so high we can't breathe just to say we did if that isn't a ego trip idk what is also haven't I dare you to throw the first punch
So, the thing is... Humans are endurance hunters. We can, and have, followed our prey for days to wear them down. That's where the durability stuff comes from
I think you misunderstood the Half-Elf and Half-Orc alternatives. They weren't for "Half-Human, Half-Dwarf" or what have you. They were for any ancestry to take Half-Elf or Half-Orc. It even lists the examples of Half-Elf Gnomes and Halflings, and Half-Orc Goblins and something else I couldn't see because it was off screen. Lol, you suggested what the book actually said anyways, so it all works out. But custom Half-Ancestries are a great idea. I just want to see a group that is entirely Goblin, but with all the Versatile Heritages and Half-Elf/Half-Orc.
@@youcantbeatk7006 In the Core Rulebook, in the Human entry. Page 55, right next to the Half-Orc entry: "Other Halves By default, half-elves and half-orcs descend from humans, but your GM might allow you to be the offspring of an elf, orc, or different ancestry. In these cases, the GM will let you select the half-elf or half-orc heritage as the heritage for this other ancestry. The most likely other parent of a half-elf are gnomes and halflings, and the most likely parents of a half-orc are goblins, haflings, and dwarves."
I deeply despise the Monstrous Peacemaker feat because it ties back into the racist stereotypes of all "marginalized people" getting along with each other which is such an ironic stereotype because the people who always use it are the ones who pretend to be against discrimination. "All monsters get along because monsters are just like minorities and all minorities get along because they're all the same right my fellow victims?"
Honestly, of Ancestries outside the Core Rulebook and APG, I'm most looking forward to seeing your overview on the Leshy and the Shoony. Plant and Pug people.
In regards to the feats that talks about humans endurance and resistance and where it talks about them being particularly enduring: the entry into home in the core rulebook. "Humans have exceptional driver and the capacity to endure and expand"
I'm actually going to be playing my first Pathfinder game as a Half-Orc Farmboy Champion with the Monstrous Peacemaker feat. *Yes, practically the most generic character ever, and I love him!
Just for anyone to see this in the future, the reason some feats have 'if you increase in profiency in one weapon group, you do for this group as well' stuff, it lets you get multiple masteries/legendary with fighter. Like if you're a dex fighter with a rapier for melee and a bow for range.
Omfg! Did he just say you couldn't play an Elf or Dwarf in OD&D?!?!? He doesn't realize the delicious strangeness that is playing an Elf PC and telling your DM you're a fighter one session and a mage the next? Nerd rage! Rabble rabble rabble! Rabble rabble rabble! Rabble... rabble... rabble.............
If humans weren't haughty and obstinate, we probably wouldn't be the dominant ancestry in Golarion. We have the most kingdoms cause we like ordering people around. (And also cause humans enjoy the fond company of anything with a pretty face.)
For unconventional weaponry. Sword and Board Champion(paladin) with Ranged Reprisal, wants the Gnome flickmace. That’s the only one handed reach weapon in the game and will give you your full 15’ range on your reaction. Also great for any other S&B class build. Love your vids.
haughty obstinacy makes a lot of sense to me. if you think of a race to start a project and continues doing that project even when other races tell them to stop or even attack them to stop what race do you think of? because i think of humans. humans will move forward in the name of progress against the advice of anyone. if i think of a race with ego, not pride but ego, i think of humans.
I posted this on your 2021 video Human->Half-elf->Elf Atavism->Cavern elf ... gives you darkvision ... I made a rogue and this works really well. I get to annoy everyone by reminding DM that they have miss chance on a roll of 5 because of dim light ... and that I can hide because I'm concealed in dim light.
I made a human wit swashbuckler with the cooperative nature feat and the One for all feat. So I get a +4 bonus to aid which I can do with a 30 foot range and a good chance for panache. Agressively supportive swashbuckler
sense allies would be good in a few instances, i had a group of 4 players in path 1st ed that were all hidden and in stealth, they begin discussing how they were going to approach a gate until i REMINDED them that they didnt see each other, AND didnt know where each other were in relation to themselfs.
Well, humans tend to vary in any setting. Would be interesting to see homunculi as an ancestry. Imagine being an artificial human created via alchemical and occult means. Yet just imagine the various human half-ancestries that pop up. Yet I wonder how orcs compare to humans given that they are playable in the APG.
I absolutely love to play barbarians and at least once per game session the referee will throw some sort of charm at me trying to get me to attack the other players it happens all the time
Um 1st edition dnd - dnd with the effrite on the dmg cover -let you play many races. Dnd basic also did. HUMANS though were not limited ever in level. SEE? Are you talking about chain mail? That' wasn't really dnd. :)
Funnily enough Humans would probably be anything but versatile individually; collectively they are versatile because there are usually so many of them but due to their shorter lifespans each individual Human would have to be very focused in one particular field in order to be powerful. Is this stuff still comparable to the special treatment Humans get in other editions? Multi-talented seems strange as a Human feat to me; it would make sense for Elves in my personal opinion because I feel they would be more prone to multi-classing but to each their own My Three-Quarter Elf from D&D 5e is already looking at Pinch of Time in case she ever gets translated into Pathfinder 2e
Correction NoNat: @19:00 when discussing Adaptive Cantrip (as well as similar feats within the Bard, Sorceror, etc classes that are spontaneous caster with a repertoire), you state that the spell gained from this feat romances one in your repertoire: WRONG. It ADDS it to the repertoire, just that same as Cantrip Expansion ADDS two cantrips to your repertoire, and other feats ADD spells to the repertoire. NOWHERE in ANY of the fest descriptions does it EVER say it replaces one, it’s ADDED to your repertoire “You gain the spell, ADDING it to your spell repertoire”. Why the hell would you be telling people these feats replace their repertoire choices? As a GM and as a player both, you really should know better and shouldn’t be giving people watching your videos the wrong ideas about spontaneous casters. It drove me nuts when you did it with Bard and especially with the Sorcerer. The way you describe the granted spells, for example from the Undead bloodline, made it sound like the 1st level granted spell replaced one of their choices, rather than being an extra spell added to the spells the get to choose from (which they get to choose 2 spells, so Fear would be added to their repertoire as a third 1st level spell). For the love of all that is great in gaming, please quit telling people (in future videos, or if you update older videos) that feats that grant spells replace their spell choices, and actually they ADD to their available/known spells. I play a Dhampir Elf Undead(Vampire) Bloodline Sorceror, and the sorcerer feats that allow me to add the spells granted by my racial Dhampir feats to my spell repertoire, I would be incensed if my GM tried telling me they replace my spells gained regularly from leveling up instead of adding to what I already have. (BTW, anybody want to play a vampiric character without the drawbacks and hassle of being an actual vampire with the archetype feat, I highly recommend going this route, as it lets you (with proper feat selection) effectively gain all the abilities of a vampire without the drawbacks of actually being undead) 😊
I always rule Humans getting the language of their Ethnicity just because it seems dumb to have a raise and born Keleshite who knows Taldan (Common) but doesn't know Kelish. Ethnicity languages are not that useful (almost every human speaks Common after all) so it seems balanced. Tho it makes Taldan worst for having his language as Common, I usually just give them another language spoken in their homelands.
Humans persistent in tribulations? No, it's not like they are fragile and unexceptional and they need to be resilient to survive in a fantasy setting. Of coarse not😂.
The fun thing with Keep Up Appearances is, Rage is an emotion effect, so you can have a Barbarian that never actively looks like it's raging, so suddenly the meek noble casually throws a table can totally happen
.... this feels like when Bruce Banner says "That's my secret cap, I'm always angry"
Can you use the reaction on your own turn though? as gm I'd probably allow it either way but RAW I didn't think reactions were usable on your own turn
@@ProbablyEzra Reactions are totally usable on your turn, they just refresh on your turn. For example, if I raise my shield, then stride up to the enemy, and they have AoO, I could shield block their attack, and I don't see why I couldn't.
@@ShuraEssays Yeah, I just didn't know the system and was wrong, RAW reactions can be used on your own turn. I was just confused because the kinda main idea of reactions is that they allow you to act outside of your turn
Be me, Versatile Heritage Human
> Get Adopted ancestry for dwarf
> Get fighter class
> select dwarf weapon familiarity
> have access to dwarven war axe
> it's treated as a martial weapon for me because of the feat
> Get fighter specialization for axes at level 5
> I now have an advanced weapon at Master Proficiency at level 5
“Humans are easy to order around” looks at every example of humans trying to order around other humans that don’t want to be ordered around
I'm just saying, did you see any dwarves or elves building the pyramids in Egypt?
@@Nonat1s lol I’m sure there were some dwarfs
@@tyrellhayward95 you have a point. They are pretty cunning with their stone work...
me singing "fuck you i wont do what you tell me" lmao
@@Nonat1s You know that those were paid workers and not the idiotic stereotype you are trying to perpetuate, right?
Actually Nonat, Errata did hit human when it comes to Languages:
"Common
Additional languages equal to 1 + your Intelligence modifier (if it's positive)."
The haughty obstinacy is another way to represent the notion of the human spirit. Not every human is such, but there are definitely the Captain Americas, John McLains (as someone mentioned), your One Punch Mans, who make it through on will alone. It lines up with the human zeal to create and conquer.
Multitalented is even better than you think for Half-elves. The ability to take a spell casting dedication without having to meet the stat requirements is amazing and lets you make some very interesting builds.
Technically, you could use Sense Allies to detect illusion effects of enemies who can disguise themselves as an ally. Like if a doppelganger was pretending to be someone, you likely aren't their ally, and you would detect that
I came from 5e D&D and through that, I learned VERY quick how good Variant Humans are, and finding out the absolute smorgasboard of feats that exist in Pathfinder for various things was like a sign from the heavens
once we finish our campaign of Tomb of Annihilation, I am ABSOLUTELY going to take a dive into PF2E
Monstrous Peacemaker reminds me of Zangief from Wreck it Ralph "Just because we are Bad Guys doesn't mean we are bad guys."
Human half-elf with elf atavism to take a versatile heritage. Then go ancestor oracle. Use it to be adopted by another ancestry. For when you want to select from too many ancestry feats.
Humans decided to live where the air is so cold it literally freezes our lungs in deserts so hot it scorches our flesh and climbed a mountain so high we can't breathe just to say we did if that isn't a ego trip idk what is also haven't I dare you to throw the first punch
So, the thing is... Humans are endurance hunters. We can, and have, followed our prey for days to wear them down. That's where the durability stuff comes from
I think you misunderstood the Half-Elf and Half-Orc alternatives. They weren't for "Half-Human, Half-Dwarf" or what have you. They were for any ancestry to take Half-Elf or Half-Orc. It even lists the examples of Half-Elf Gnomes and Halflings, and Half-Orc Goblins and something else I couldn't see because it was off screen.
Lol, you suggested what the book actually said anyways, so it all works out. But custom Half-Ancestries are a great idea.
I just want to see a group that is entirely Goblin, but with all the Versatile Heritages and Half-Elf/Half-Orc.
Does that half-goblin entail what I think it entails?
Where does it ever mention that?
@@youcantbeatk7006 In the Core Rulebook, in the Human entry. Page 55, right next to the Half-Orc entry:
"Other Halves
By default, half-elves and half-orcs descend from humans, but your GM might allow you to be the offspring of an elf, orc, or different ancestry. In these cases, the GM will let you select the half-elf or half-orc heritage as the heritage for this other ancestry. The most likely other parent of a half-elf are gnomes and halflings, and the most likely parents of a half-orc are goblins, haflings, and dwarves."
I deeply despise the Monstrous Peacemaker feat because it ties back into the racist stereotypes of all "marginalized people" getting along with each other which is such an ironic stereotype because the people who always use it are the ones who pretend to be against discrimination. "All monsters get along because monsters are just like minorities and all minorities get along because they're all the same right my fellow victims?"
Honestly, of Ancestries outside the Core Rulebook and APG, I'm most looking forward to seeing your overview on the Leshy and the Shoony. Plant and Pug people.
In regards to the feats that talks about humans endurance and resistance and where it talks about them being particularly enduring: the entry into home in the core rulebook. "Humans have exceptional driver and the capacity to endure and expand"
I'm actually going to be playing my first Pathfinder game as a Half-Orc Farmboy Champion with the Monstrous Peacemaker feat.
*Yes, practically the most generic character ever, and I love him!
Yes. Monstrous Peacemaker is the best flavor for a half orc champion. Love it.
Just for anyone to see this in the future, the reason some feats have 'if you increase in profiency in one weapon group, you do for this group as well' stuff, it lets you get multiple masteries/legendary with fighter. Like if you're a dex fighter with a rapier for melee and a bow for range.
I built a half elf who was all about going faster and being stealthy. Haven't got to play him yet, but when I do maneuverability won't be a problem.
Omfg! Did he just say you couldn't play an Elf or Dwarf in OD&D?!?!? He doesn't realize the delicious strangeness that is playing an Elf PC and telling your DM you're a fighter one session and a mage the next?
Nerd rage! Rabble rabble rabble! Rabble rabble rabble! Rabble... rabble... rabble.............
I have a half-elf champion in my game. With Pinch Time, she is amazing
If humans weren't haughty and obstinate, we probably wouldn't be the dominant ancestry in Golarion. We have the most kingdoms cause we like ordering people around. (And also cause humans enjoy the fond company of anything with a pretty face.)
For unconventional weaponry. Sword and Board Champion(paladin) with Ranged Reprisal, wants the Gnome flickmace. That’s the only one handed reach weapon in the game and will give you your full 15’ range on your reaction. Also great for any other S&B class build. Love your vids.
The whole stubborn persistent type idea is likly to let player. Recreate the John McLain, and other high will power hero types
haughty obstinacy makes a lot of sense to me. if you think of a race to start a project and continues doing that project even when other races tell them to stop or even attack them to stop what race do you think of? because i think of humans. humans will move forward in the name of progress against the advice of anyone. if i think of a race with ego, not pride but ego, i think of humans.
I posted this on your 2021 video
Human->Half-elf->Elf Atavism->Cavern elf ... gives you darkvision ... I made a rogue and this works really well. I get to annoy everyone by reminding DM that they have miss chance on a roll of 5 because of dim light ... and that I can hide because I'm concealed in dim light.
Loved it sir
WAIT? Shaggy is in the RPG industry now?
Wait... people don't play humans just to get all the General Feats?
I made a human wit swashbuckler with the cooperative nature feat and the One for all feat. So I get a +4 bonus to aid which I can do with a 30 foot range and a good chance for panache. Agressively supportive swashbuckler
Many of these land in that same zone of "flavor that shouldn't really take dedicated resources to have" category for me.
The 9th level feat for sid depends on if you can use it with inspire competency.
@20:00 Also, any type of darkness would make allies hidden.
Best race! :)
sense allies would be good in a few instances, i had a group of 4 players in path 1st ed that were all hidden and in stealth, they begin discussing how they were going to approach a gate until i REMINDED them that they didnt see each other, AND didnt know where each other were in relation to themselfs.
Love my human witch
On haughty obstinacy, you ever met a snob?
How about trading away a level 3 general feat for a level 1 ancestry feat for a level class feat?
Human witch taking Witch Warden feat:Madoka Magica anime. But what kind of patron would that smug backstaber be?
Wintertouched Humans, aka the Finns
Well, humans tend to vary in any setting. Would be interesting to see homunculi as an ancestry. Imagine being an artificial human created via alchemical and occult means.
Yet just imagine the various human half-ancestries that pop up. Yet I wonder how orcs compare to humans given that they are playable in the APG.
sense allies might make sense if your ally is invisible or something.
I absolutely love to play barbarians and at least once per game session the referee will throw some sort of charm at me trying to get me to attack the other players it happens all the time
You’ve always thought the humans were the easiest to order around? I guess you’ve never had the misfortune of running into a Karen
Human sticks together
Um 1st edition dnd - dnd with the effrite on the dmg cover -let you play many races. Dnd basic also did. HUMANS though were not limited ever in level. SEE? Are you talking about chain mail? That' wasn't really dnd. :)
Why do you not have more subscribers?
I'm not a human, but I decided to hit "Like" anyways.
You know, I like to give human ancestry feats to all other accessories at my table. They just feel very general. (From the CRB and APG only)
Funnily enough Humans would probably be anything but versatile individually; collectively they are versatile because there are usually so many of them but due to their shorter lifespans each individual Human would have to be very focused in one particular field in order to be powerful.
Is this stuff still comparable to the special treatment Humans get in other editions?
Multi-talented seems strange as a Human feat to me; it would make sense for Elves in my personal opinion because I feel they would be more prone to multi-classing but to each their own
My Three-Quarter Elf from D&D 5e is already looking at Pinch of Time in case she ever gets translated into Pathfinder 2e
I'm just going to assume that you were being facetious about not knowing any humans who preserve your.
Correction NoNat: @19:00 when discussing Adaptive Cantrip (as well as similar feats within the Bard, Sorceror, etc classes that are spontaneous caster with a repertoire), you state that the spell gained from this feat romances one in your repertoire: WRONG. It ADDS it to the repertoire, just that same as Cantrip Expansion ADDS two cantrips to your repertoire, and other feats ADD spells to the repertoire. NOWHERE in ANY of the fest descriptions does it EVER say it replaces one, it’s ADDED to your repertoire “You gain the spell, ADDING it to your spell repertoire”. Why the hell would you be telling people these feats replace their repertoire choices? As a GM and as a player both, you really should know better and shouldn’t be giving people watching your videos the wrong ideas about spontaneous casters. It drove me nuts when you did it with Bard and especially with the Sorcerer. The way you describe the granted spells, for example from the Undead bloodline, made it sound like the 1st level granted spell replaced one of their choices, rather than being an extra spell added to the spells the get to choose from (which they get to choose 2 spells, so Fear would be added to their repertoire as a third 1st level spell). For the love of all that is great in gaming, please quit telling people (in future videos, or if you update older videos) that feats that grant spells replace their spell choices, and actually they ADD to their available/known spells. I play a Dhampir Elf Undead(Vampire) Bloodline Sorceror, and the sorcerer feats that allow me to add the spells granted by my racial Dhampir feats to my spell repertoire, I would be incensed if my GM tried telling me they replace my spells gained regularly from leveling up instead of adding to what I already have. (BTW, anybody want to play a vampiric character without the drawbacks and hassle of being an actual vampire with the archetype feat, I highly recommend going this route, as it lets you (with proper feat selection) effectively gain all the abilities of a vampire without the drawbacks of actually being undead) 😊
whose goblin art is that?
1:34 this is plainly false. Both ODnD and ADnD have Races, with B/X having Race-As-Class
I always rule Humans getting the language of their Ethnicity just because it seems dumb to have a raise and born Keleshite who knows Taldan (Common) but doesn't know Kelish. Ethnicity languages are not that useful (almost every human speaks Common after all) so it seems balanced. Tho it makes Taldan worst for having his language as Common, I usually just give them another language spoken in their homelands.
Wait... Are you playing a F I G H T E R ?
Wtf sober Nonat1?
humans just like dnd are broken
Humans persistent in tribulations? No, it's not like they are fragile and unexceptional and they need to be resilient to survive in a fantasy setting. Of coarse not😂.