Epic interview! So nice to see and hear from Dan about this unique and special design. CG did great and touched on all the important questions about this board. (Endorfin medium front fins with Tomo quad twin-tip hatchet rears is the perfectttt set up! 👌)
Interesting, from the clips I've seen of the revo and evo, seems like everyone is riding as a thruster. Even Tomo is on a thruster for all the evo vids. Taking out my revo for the maiden voyage on Sunday and can't decide between quad and thruster....
@@spiffjiff05 Quad for sure. But, maybe switch to a thruster half way in the session and feel the difference. I've found that the Vee down the middle has a lot of directional control as it is, so quad is much better on this model. More control, more drive and feels more solid overall.
I would not ride this board as a thruster. Like you mentioned the V acts a small stabilizer already. I would definitely try it as a 2+1 set up and a quad never a thruster though.
Thanks Daniel! Had a Revo for about a month now and really enjoying it. Revo has more tail rocker than Evo and the vee quad concave which for me makes it want to get on rail and turn a lot more in the pocket. In comparison, the Evo's quad inside single concave makes it ride crazy fast even when just trimming and Revo doesn't feel like that, it wants to be on rail turning much more for me. Revo is my new go to board as I really like that it wants to be on rail, but I think of it more as filling in the Tomo lineup between Evo and Cymatic rather than version 2 of the Evo. I think Evo is still great beginner/intermediate board and would recommend Revo for more solid intermediate surfers. Early to say for sure but I like the new construction. It is almost as floaty as the Helium, but flex feels more like PU than usual epoxy. I'm 5'10" 185lbs surfing a 5'9" Revo at 34.7L in a 4/3 wetsuit. Currently I'm liking Revo as a quad with Legacy F6 Future fins, but only surfed it up to head high waves.
After having some back issues i have been trying a few midlenghths , lower volume tends to arch my back in the water and I cant last as long, all the mids I found were too flat and yes a bit boring. So I took the gamble on a 40 liter 6 foot revo. Normal short board was about 33 liters. I love it!! still quite easy to turn, paddles like a dream. Started with quads then on a smaller day wacked in some bigger twins and they haven't come out. Really zippy with the twins! don't know if that's just on a bigger size but I'm going to find out , Going to get a smaller one for when my back is in order. .I've had a lot of the Tomo models over the years and have never been disappointed , just hate them going brown, I hope they have fixed that!!!! Dont be scared to go bigger if you need too.!!!
Clear Epoxy goes brown, so what? Unlike PU-Polyester it doesn´t get bridlle, it even gets more elastic, meaning it doesn´t desintegrate like PU-Poly does, sending those way to earlier into the dumpster. Only way to protect is putting UV-blocking paint or pigments on top, but surfers think a good board has clear laminate and white foam inside, so stupid. As long as this dumpness is not solved, sustainable surfboard construction will not happen. You are also part of this problem, complaining about non white boards.
So incredibly fast and loose it's made me a better surfer! I'm surfing it as a quad and it blows my mind how loose it is but how incredible it is at holding a rail. Honestly it's made surfing really fun again for this 58 year old!
What quad fins you running in your Revo? I'm going to purchase one soon, I've got a Slater designs FRK ibolic that board is absolutely amazing my current favourite performance board.
@@X2UKeith may I ask what weight you are riding M. I am similar age ... I sit around 195pounds/88+kg and wondering whether M or L by comparison for endorfins quad set?
Just had my first surf. Average lumpy head and a bit conditions. This board is all tomo. I’ve had most of them and if you like them this will rock. Takes off in that I tomo way, where you think I’m not going fast enough to plane and gonna have to drop, then bang your off. Really loose feeling and the v seems to make it even stable in white water as you head in. Surfed in my usual volume, one volume size up from my evo. I think another size up would also work nicely in bigger stuff
My new Revo shipped from Galicia, Spain to Portugal. It just arrived today! I can't wait to ride it. I'll try it with a quad setup first. Will be interesting to see how it feels compared to the Cymatic, Omni and Sci Fi 1.0.
@@firewiresurfboards Thx, just waiting for the swell to come up from a 5 second interval and lake like conditions to a 10 second ocean swell to have my first ride on it.
Beautiful talk, inspiring! This board use to be in 6'2 but seems is not more in display, there is a technical reason behind? Or simply market demand based decision?
Hi Firewire, this board looks sweet but I feel alot of us don't know how to size it compared to our human dimensions and your daily driver traditional short board. Are you able to offer some guidance here please?
I have a similar question, my choices are either my shortboard good wave volume (28.5) or a groveler volume of 29.8. My hydroshort and cymatic are both 28.3 though and i surf terrible huntington beach mush typically so I feel like I should get the 29.8 and use it as my bad/small wave board?
@@JenovaImproved i'm leaning towards just going with the extra liter. i'm sure wave count will go up and 1 l is not a massive difference. also, i'm almost 42, so maybe i need it haha
On a day where you want a round tail, such as pumping day with round faces and throwing lips, possibly. But the REVO is extremely versatile in its MPH design.
Always amazed how little scientific research and computational flow analysis is provided with the myriad of opinions on board/ fin shapes these days. At $1k a pop, I’d say the customer deserves a little more than hand gestures to describe what’s going on in the water
@@firewiresurfboards show us the data! isn't that useful to the end consumer? These underside spines are not super common, relative to what everyone else is riding, especially the massive ridge in the middle. and having watched a few videos on this model, lots of folks are split on the 3 vs 4 fin options. Would probably help them understanding what's going on underneath no?
@@cwr8618 th-cam.com/video/ZrYt5t3qalI/w-d-xo.html They did here with the Omni. But you raise a valid point. I was doing CFD analysis' at college 10 years ago. Back then it took 8 hours x 4 CPU to run a simulation x 16 simulations took me a full week of nothing but doing computer runs and that doesn't take into account building the model. Some students would rent a super computer. For something like a large surf manufacturer, it would make sense. Something I've even looked into as a backyard shaper. The reason they might not be showing it, is it could be releasing IP to the other manufacturers and shapers. In the end, we're trying to engineer the best curves and angles to fit a wave, in which case at any rate of improvement, there's going to be an optimal design for each wave type and surfer.
@@Nick-zy9tx for sure, i'm certain it's labor intensive and takes some G2 to operate the programs. I was an engineer a while back and at my last gig, worked with some aero and mech e dudes on some super advanced govn 'products'. They're so advanced. I figure a big company like firewire has the resources to produce and even dumb down some of the data/models for us. Maybe the industry will go that route - get super technical. And who knows, we might even get to contribute to the CAD of our own custom versions of pro models someday...
Tomo's MPH designs (like the Revo, as well as the prior EVO) naturally work well in weak waves because of the way they allocate such a high percentage of the board's overall volume directly beneath the surfers stance. That said, they go incredibly well when the waves are pumping also.
@@firewiresurfboards You really have no clue about physics and surfboards functioning. It´s not the high volume, it´s the high planning area. A surfboard is a planning hull, not a displacement hull, that is reality before and also after Tomo so called "Planning Hulls". Tomo did not invent any Planning Hull or modern Planning Hull, it has always been a planning hull from the time of haiwains standing on a planning board made of wood on a wave. And sorry small waves and big waves have different speeds, meaning different lift when a planning surface is placed on them, making small lift in small waves, therefore needing alot of surface. Big waves makes a lot lift with surface, therefore needing less surface or control will be lost. Don´t tell surfers who are eventually clueless BS.
Can’t wait to get mine !! I’ve had X 2 Evos while waiting for this to launch …Best shaper in the world - thanks for the interview and insight
Good to see you guys. Very happy. Thank you dan for the new model
Epic interview! So nice to see and hear from Dan about this unique and special design. CG did great and touched on all the important questions about this board. (Endorfin medium front fins with Tomo quad twin-tip hatchet rears is the perfectttt set up! 👌)
Interesting, from the clips I've seen of the revo and evo, seems like everyone is riding as a thruster. Even Tomo is on a thruster for all the evo vids. Taking out my revo for the maiden voyage on Sunday and can't decide between quad and thruster....
@@spiffjiff05 Quad for sure. But, maybe switch to a thruster half way in the session and feel the difference. I've found that the Vee down the middle has a lot of directional control as it is, so quad is much better on this model. More control, more drive and feels more solid overall.
I would not ride this board as a thruster. Like you mentioned the V acts a small stabilizer already. I would definitely try it as a 2+1 set up and a quad never a thruster though.
It’s great to see Tomo well again
Chris Grow…thank you…need more Flowish Fridays and bring back Shred Show pls! We groms need it!
We do it’s been a while
Thanks Daniel! Had a Revo for about a month now and really enjoying it. Revo has more tail rocker than Evo and the vee quad concave which for me makes it want to get on rail and turn a lot more in the pocket. In comparison, the Evo's quad inside single concave makes it ride crazy fast even when just trimming and Revo doesn't feel like that, it wants to be on rail turning much more for me. Revo is my new go to board as I really like that it wants to be on rail, but I think of it more as filling in the Tomo lineup between Evo and Cymatic rather than version 2 of the Evo. I think Evo is still great beginner/intermediate board and would recommend Revo for more solid intermediate surfers. Early to say for sure but I like the new construction. It is almost as floaty as the Helium, but flex feels more like PU than usual epoxy. I'm 5'10" 185lbs surfing a 5'9" Revo at 34.7L in a 4/3 wetsuit. Currently I'm liking Revo as a quad with Legacy F6 Future fins, but only surfed it up to head high waves.
Chuck - thank you for pitching in, appreciated.
After having some back issues i have been trying a few midlenghths , lower volume tends to arch my back in the water and I cant last as long, all the mids I found were too flat and yes a bit boring. So I took the gamble on a 40 liter 6 foot revo. Normal short board was about 33 liters. I love it!! still quite easy to turn, paddles like a dream. Started with quads then on a smaller day wacked in some bigger twins and they haven't come out. Really zippy with the twins! don't know if that's just on a bigger size but I'm going to find out , Going to get a smaller one for when my back is in order. .I've had a lot of the Tomo models over the years and have never been disappointed , just hate them going brown, I hope they have fixed that!!!! Dont be scared to go bigger if you need too.!!!
Clear Epoxy goes brown, so what? Unlike PU-Polyester it doesn´t get bridlle, it even gets more elastic, meaning it doesn´t desintegrate like PU-Poly does, sending those way to earlier into the dumpster. Only way to protect is putting UV-blocking paint or pigments on top, but surfers think a good board has clear laminate and white foam inside, so stupid. As long as this dumpness is not solved, sustainable surfboard construction will not happen. You are also part of this problem, complaining about non white boards.
Excellent interview guys really a good deep technical dive which is necessary when considering a new Tomo board
Stoked you enjoyed. Thank you from us all.
So incredibly fast and loose it's made me a better surfer! I'm surfing it as a quad and it blows my mind how loose it is but how incredible it is at holding a rail. Honestly it's made surfing really fun again for this 58 year old!
What quad fins you running in your Revo? I'm going to purchase one soon, I've got a Slater designs FRK ibolic that board is absolutely amazing my current favourite performance board.
@@tezf6883 slater endorfins medium.
@@X2UKeith may I ask what weight you are riding M. I am similar age ...
I sit around 195pounds/88+kg and wondering whether M or L by comparison for endorfins quad set?
@@meganandjensspyker5102 167 lbs. 5' 11"
Love the look of this board.
Best size suggestion on someone that’s intermediate level, 6’5 and 220llb
I saw them in my local shop the other day, as soon as I put it under my arm I’m like “yep I’m getting one”; looks epic!
They do feel good. 😀😉
How does your Revo go?
Just had my first surf. Average lumpy head and a bit conditions. This board is all tomo. I’ve had most of them and if you like them this will rock. Takes off in that I tomo way, where you think I’m not going fast enough to plane and gonna have to drop, then bang your off. Really loose feeling and the v seems to make it even stable in white water as you head in. Surfed in my usual volume, one volume size up from my evo. I think another size up would also work nicely in bigger stuff
Shred show! My man!
My new Revo shipped from Galicia, Spain to Portugal. It just arrived today! I can't wait to ride it. I'll try it with a quad setup first. Will be interesting to see how it feels compared to the Cymatic, Omni and Sci Fi 1.0.
Have fun!
@@firewiresurfboards Thx, just waiting for the swell to come up from a 5 second interval and lake like conditions to a 10 second ocean swell to have my first ride on it.
How does your Revo go still have it?
Beautiful talk, inspiring! This board use to be in 6'2 but seems is not more in display, there is a technical reason behind? Or simply market demand based decision?
@chris grow…please do a shred show on the revo 🙌🏻
Great interview- need a bigger size for us big blokes.
If I love the old Nano 5'5 would the Revo be a good replacement? I'm deciding on a Revo or Hydroshort. (Cymatic & Scifi volumes don't work for me)
I miss this guys show because few understand design like he does.
cool interview. Nice when the interviewer knows some technical details
Hi Firewire, this board looks sweet but I feel alot of us don't know how to size it compared to our human dimensions and your daily driver traditional short board. Are you able to offer some guidance here please?
I wonder if Tomo has any idea of changing up the concave with the Cymatic?
Right now no. He thinks both concave variations have their place in different designs.
Anyone have issues w the sizing? Firewire won’t do custom sizing so it’s either .5L less or 1 L more than my ideal volume.
1 L more is best. 😉🙌🏼
I have a similar question, my choices are either my shortboard good wave volume (28.5) or a groveler volume of 29.8. My hydroshort and cymatic are both 28.3 though and i surf terrible huntington beach mush typically so I feel like I should get the 29.8 and use it as my bad/small wave board?
@@JenovaImproved i'm leaning towards just going with the extra liter. i'm sure wave count will go up and 1 l is not a massive difference. also, i'm almost 42, so maybe i need it haha
GREAT BOARD🤙
Very interesting, will I use my Omni again?
On a day where you want a round tail, such as pumping day with round faces and throwing lips, possibly. But the REVO is extremely versatile in its MPH design.
@@firewiresurfboards Eye Bollock Tech:) Who came up with that one. Also if no good people gonna call it Shambolic tech.
Chris is the best!
😢
Always amazed how little scientific research and computational flow analysis is provided with the myriad of opinions on board/ fin shapes these days. At $1k a pop, I’d say the customer deserves a little more than hand gestures to describe what’s going on in the water
We've worked with RED Fluid Dynamics on computational flow models and found it useful.
@@firewiresurfboards show us the data! isn't that useful to the end consumer? These underside spines are not super common, relative to what everyone else is riding, especially the massive ridge in the middle. and having watched a few videos on this model, lots of folks are split on the 3 vs 4 fin options. Would probably help them understanding what's going on underneath no?
@@cwr8618 th-cam.com/video/ZrYt5t3qalI/w-d-xo.html They did here with the Omni. But you raise a valid point. I was doing CFD analysis' at college 10 years ago. Back then it took 8 hours x 4 CPU to run a simulation x 16 simulations took me a full week of nothing but doing computer runs and that doesn't take into account building the model. Some students would rent a super computer. For something like a large surf manufacturer, it would make sense. Something I've even looked into as a backyard shaper. The reason they might not be showing it, is it could be releasing IP to the other manufacturers and shapers. In the end, we're trying to engineer the best curves and angles to fit a wave, in which case at any rate of improvement, there's going to be an optimal design for each wave type and surfer.
@@Nick-zy9tx for sure, i'm certain it's labor intensive and takes some G2 to operate the programs. I was an engineer a while back and at my last gig, worked with some aero and mech e dudes on some super advanced govn 'products'. They're so advanced. I figure a big company like firewire has the resources to produce and even dumb down some of the data/models for us. Maybe the industry will go that route - get super technical. And who knows, we might even get to contribute to the CAD of our own custom versions of pro models someday...
I want one but my tomo evo broke so quickly.
How you breaking a flat blunt epoxy board? Mine has 0 pressure dents even. Must have been something that would break any board
Anyone know how this board might go in weak groveller conditions? Also, Tomo is a ripping bloke.
Tomo's MPH designs (like the Revo, as well as the prior EVO) naturally work well in weak waves because of the way they allocate such a high percentage of the board's overall volume directly beneath the surfers stance. That said, they go incredibly well when the waves are pumping also.
@@firewiresurfboards You really have no clue about physics and surfboards functioning. It´s not the high volume, it´s the high planning area. A surfboard is a planning hull, not a displacement hull, that is reality before and also after Tomo so called "Planning Hulls". Tomo did not invent any Planning Hull or modern Planning Hull, it has always been a planning hull from the time of haiwains standing on a planning board made of wood on a wave. And sorry small waves and big waves have different speeds, meaning different lift when a planning surface is placed on them, making small lift in small waves, therefore needing alot of surface. Big waves makes a lot lift with surface, therefore needing less surface or control will be lost. Don´t tell surfers who are eventually clueless BS.
First
Why the blunt nose ? Wish it had the standard.
Eliminating the pointy nose reduces swing weight and enables you to ride a shorter board.
@@joeblow1942 thanks bro. Have you sampled one yet if so what size?
@@grownnotflown2 No, not yet, but adding the V will definitely loosen it up.