Math Olympiad | Can you find the Radius of the circle? | Three identical squares

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  • @ramanivenkata3161
    @ramanivenkata3161 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excellent explanation 👍

    • @PreMath
      @PreMath  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you liked it!
      Thanks for your feedback! Cheers! 😀
      You are awesome, Ramani. Keep it up 👍

  • @harikatragadda
    @harikatragadda ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Using the Intersecting Chord Theorem at P,
    1*1 = {r -(2+1/√3)}*{r +(2+1/√3)}
    1 = r² -4 -1/3 - 4/√3
    r = 2√{4+√3)/3}

    • @PreMath
      @PreMath  ปีที่แล้ว

      Excellent!
      Thanks for sharing! Cheers!
      You are awesome. Keep it up 👍

  • @rockylux9127
    @rockylux9127 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm in my 50's and love watching your teachings with my son. Its always first class.
    We found an alternative method without using trig and only using Pythagorean Theorem:
    Since CF=√3, then OF= √((√3-OF)² - 1²) = 1/√3 = 0.577
    OP = 2 + 1/√3 = 2.577
    r² = OP² + PD²
    r² = 2.577² + 1²
    r² = 6.6409 + 1
    r² = 7.64
    r = √7.64 = 2.76

    • @PreMath
      @PreMath  ปีที่แล้ว

      Excellent!
      Thanks for sharing! Cheers!
      You are awesome. Keep it up 👍
      You are a great role model for your son 😀

  • @unknownidentity2846
    @unknownidentity2846 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    There is another justification for the length OF to be (√3/3)cm:
    In an equilateral triangle every height is given by (√3/2) times the side length, so every height in the triangle ABC is (√3)cm. In an equilateral triangle every height also corresponds to a median line and O, which is the point of intersection of the median lines and the heights as well, does divide the median lines with a 2:1 ratio. So, OF is the height, divided by 3.
    Best regards from Germany

    • @PreMath
      @PreMath  ปีที่แล้ว

      Great!
      Thanks for sharing! Cheers!
      You are awesome. Keep rocking 👍
      Love and prayers from the USA! 😀

    • @SkinnerRobot
      @SkinnerRobot ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've found this proposition to be very useful in many geometry puzzles.

  • @ИванПоташов-о8ю
    @ИванПоташов-о8ю ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Let's connect the points O and A, O and E. Then we can find that OA=1/cos 30⁰= 2√3/3. Using the law of cosines in the triangle OAE, we'll find OE

  • @KAvi_YA666
    @KAvi_YA666 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for video.Good luck sir!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @PreMath
      @PreMath  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you too, dear
      Love and prayers from the USA! 😀

  • @raya.pawley3563
    @raya.pawley3563 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you

    • @PreMath
      @PreMath  ปีที่แล้ว

      You are very welcome!
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  • @ghhdcdvv5069
    @ghhdcdvv5069 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    تمرين جيد. رسم واضح مرتب. شرح واضح مرتب. شكرا جزيلا لكم والله يحفظكم ويحميكم ويرعاكم جميعا . تحياتنا لكم من غزة فلسطين

    • @PreMath
      @PreMath  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank dear🙏

  • @bigm383
    @bigm383 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great solution!❤🥂😀

    • @PreMath
      @PreMath  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad you think so!
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  • @marioalb9726
    @marioalb9726 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Side of square = 2 cm
    Half side of square = 1 cm
    a = Apothem of eq. triangle
    tan 30° = a / 1
    a = 0,577 cm
    tan α = 1 / (2 + 0.577)
    α = 21,206°
    sin α = 1 / R
    R = 1 / sin α
    R = 2,7645 cm (Solved √ )

  • @Yrs4ke
    @Yrs4ke 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Solved it with Heron's formula: The area of the triangle ABC:
    A = √(s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)) = √((s(s-a)^3) , with s being the semiperimeter of the triangle and a, b, c its sides.
    =√ ((3a/2)*(((3a/2)-a)^3))
    = √ ((6/2)*((6/2)-2)^3)= √((3 * (1)^3) = √3
    The area of the triangle ABC is equal to 3* the area of the triangle ABO: A = 3* (1/2)* 2*h= 3h , which is equal to √3
    h= (√3 )/3
    And from the Pythagorean theorem:
    r² = OP² + PE² = (a+h)² +(1/2)a)²= (((√3 )/3)+2)² + ((1/2)a)² = (((√3 )/3)+2)² + ((1/2)*2)²
    = 2.577² + 1²
    = 7.64
    r = √7.64
    = 2.76

  • @JLvatron
    @JLvatron ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When I realized the diagonal was a radius, ...
    I realized that I realized how to solve it!

    • @PreMath
      @PreMath  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for your feedback! Cheers! 😀
      You are awesome. Keep it up 👍

  • @misterenter-iz7rz
    @misterenter-iz7rz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    First each square is 2x2, especially BD=2, OB is 1/cos 30=2/root3, angle is 120, therefore by cosine rule the radius is the squdare root of 4+4/3+(2)(2)(2/root3)(1/2)=root(16/3+4/root 3)=2.76455approximately. 😊

    • @PreMath
      @PreMath  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for sharing! Cheers!
      You are awesome. Keep it up 👍

  • @svmartins1
    @svmartins1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very biutiful, this one i did not be alble to solve.
    Very biutiful!
    Kind regards from Portugal!

    • @PreMath
      @PreMath  ปีที่แล้ว

      Excellent!
      Thanks for your feedback! Cheers! 😀
      You are awesome. Keep it up 👍

  • @jimlocke9320
    @jimlocke9320 ปีที่แล้ว

    PreMath went in the downward direction but I went upward, and we got the same answer. Here's my solution method: Going clockwise around the square with vertices B and C, label the next vertex as point G. Drop perpendicular from G to the vertical red line and label the intersection as point R. Note that

  • @misterenter-iz7rz
    @misterenter-iz7rz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That interesting🤩

    • @PreMath
      @PreMath  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you think so!
      Thanks for your feedback! Cheers! 😀
      You are awesome. Keep it up 👍

  • @williamwingo4740
    @williamwingo4740 ปีที่แล้ว

    No peeking, but starting out with a more algebraic approach:
    By Pythagoras, altitude of triangle ABC = sqrt(3); Let OF = x; then OC = OA = sqrt(3) -- x.
    Since triangle AOF is 30-60-90, OF = AO/2; so x = (sqrt(3) -- x)/2 = sqrt(3)/2 -- x/2; 3x/2 = sqrt(3)/2; 3x = sqrt(3); and x = sqrt(3)/3.
    From there we proceed the same as you did: OE^2 = 1^2 + OP^2 = 1+ (2+sqrt(3)/3)^2, etc. to get OP = r = 2.7645, approx.
    Cheers, 🤠

  • @Escviitash
    @Escviitash ปีที่แล้ว

    You don't need trig, if you know the fact that on a median the distance from the vertex to the centroid if 2/3 of the entire median
    This mean that CO = CF * (2/3) and OF = CF * (1/3).
    Using the pythagorean theorem on CBF gives CF = sqrt(3), and therefore OF = sqrt(3) * (1/3).
    Same result as with the trig, just using a different piece of knowledge

  • @abstragic4216
    @abstragic4216 ปีที่แล้ว

    I enjoy doing these problems in Excel : =SQRT(1+(2+TAN(PI()/6))^2)

  • @jarikosonen4079
    @jarikosonen4079 ปีที่แล้ว

    One could try filling the circle so that the center area shape is triangle (as here), then square, pentagon, etc and express the resulted series.

  • @juanalfaro7522
    @juanalfaro7522 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The first time I solved the problem I did it by tracing a line from the center of the circle to the circumference through A but found I was wrong. It is because the line from A to the border does not equal 2 as the square border. It is hard to tell the length of the segment from A to the border when it is part of the line from O through A. I believe your method is the best way to tackle the problem, if not the only way. Any other way would involve an exhausting analysis.

    • @juanalfaro7522
      @juanalfaro7522 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Actually, using the Intersecting Chord Theorem at P works too. And tracing the radius through A to the border works as well, if we apply the Intersecting Chord Theorem at the midpoint of the segment between E and the border point of the square at the left. If I call that left square border point G and the midpoint of the EG segment as H, then EG = 2*sqrt (3) so EH = sqrt (3), AH = 2 cos (120/2) = 1, and OA = 2/ sqrt (3). Then OH = 1 + 2/sqrt (3) = (2*sqrt (3) +3)/3 and, by the Intersecting Chord Theorem at H, (R - [(2*sqrt (3) +3)/3]) * (R + [(2*sqrt (3) +3)/3]) = [sqrt (3)] ^2 = 3 --->
      R^2 - [(7+ 4*sqrt (3))/3] = 3 ---> R^2 = [(16 * 4*sqrt (3))/3] and we take the sqrt of the expression.

  • @MrPaulc222
    @MrPaulc222 ปีที่แล้ว

    I went wrong somewhere. I got to the initial h being 1/(sqrt(3) due to 30-60-90. I then took a different path. I went OA is, therefore, 2/(sqrt(3). I think that is probably correct. My next part was to extend OA outward to the circle and make a triangle of AE and the circumference. I called this another 30-60-90 with 2 (AE) as the hypotenuse so the short side which is the extension of OA would be 1. This gives a total radius of 1+(2/sqrt(3)) which comes to 2.155(3dp). I suspect my error is in calling the second triangle a 30-60-90. The angle at A would be 60 but I suspect the other two are NOT 30 and 90.
    Your explanation makes complete sense, so thank you for that.

  • @AmirgabYT2185
    @AmirgabYT2185 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Radius=2•√((4+√3)/3)≈2,78

  • @quigonkenny
    @quigonkenny 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Let OP be a perpendicular bisector of ED. Let W be the point on BA that intersects with OP. By observation, side length of all squares is √4 = 2 cm and ∆ABC is equilateral, so all its internal angles are 60°. ∠OAW is 30°, and ∠AWO is 90°, so ∠WOA is 60° and ∆AWO is a 30-60-90 triangle and OA = (2)WO. Let the length of WO = x.
    Triangle ∆AWO:
    a² + b² = c²
    x² + 1² = (2x)² = 4x²
    3x² = 1
    x² = 1/3
    x = 1/√3
    Triangle ∆EPO:
    a² + b² = c²
    1² + (2+(1/√3))² = r²
    r² = 1 + 2² + 2(2)/√3 + 1/3
    r² = 1 + 4 + (4√3)/3 + 1/3 = 16/3 + (4√3)/3
    r² = 4(4+√3)/3
    r = 2√((4+√3)/3) ≈ 2.76 cm²

  • @localwisdom9514
    @localwisdom9514 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    how do you conclude the angle of OAF is half of FAC which is 60 degree, is it by the eyes or any mathemtical reason for that?

    • @j.r.1210
      @j.r.1210 ปีที่แล้ว

      Line AO bisects the angle. He kind of glossed over that point quickly, but it could be proved separately if necessary.

  • @j.r.1210
    @j.r.1210 ปีที่แล้ว

    After solving this problem, I was a little surprised that the resulting expression, which includes the sqrt of a sqrt, couldn't be cleaned up further. I thought, "Surely the polynomial with sqrt3 will turn out to be the perfect square of another easy polynomial" -- but no! I couldn't find it. In that respect, I guess this problem is more "realistic," because everything is not exactly configured in advance.

  • @ybodoN
    @ybodoN ปีที่แล้ว

    Generalized: the radius of the circle is _√(S ⅓ (4 + √3))_ where _S_ is the area of one yellow square.

  • @JSSTyger
    @JSSTyger ปีที่แล้ว

    I got r² = [16+4sqrt(3)]/3 = 7.64 and therefore r = 2.76. I presumed the center triangle to be equilateral and that perpendiculars from the center to the sides of the triangle would cut the sides in half.

  • @gelbkehlchen
    @gelbkehlchen ปีที่แล้ว

    Solution:
    4[cm²] = area of a square ⟹ 2[cm] = side of a square = s,
    height of the isosceles triangle = √[s²-(s/2)²] = √[s²-s²/4] = √[3/4*s²]
    = s*√3/2 = √3[cm] = h.
    It is h/3 = √3/3[cm] from O to the next side of the square, and to the oposite side it is √3/3+2[cm].
    Pythagoras:
    r = √[(√3/3+2)²+1²] = √[1/3+4/3*√3+4+1] = √[16/3+4/3*√3] = 2*√[(4+√3)/3]
    ≈ 2,7645

  • @comdo777
    @comdo777 ปีที่แล้ว

    asnwer= 240cm isit my math matter isit

  • @Xyz-sd7ub
    @Xyz-sd7ub ปีที่แล้ว

    2.764 cm

  • @shouryyapratapsingh9831
    @shouryyapratapsingh9831 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is √3/2

  • @davidstecchi9501
    @davidstecchi9501 ปีที่แล้ว

    1+13=14