@@joelpetersen2480 Because BBC are establishment propaganda, pushing for more war for weapons company profits, just like they pushed dodgy vaccines for pharma profits, while covering up the whole other side of the story.
@@bensims7501 I think this war is costing Putin a pretty penny and he’ll finally come to realise it’s unsustainable & pointless long term. A rat needs a hole to escape through and Trump could be the man to persuade him to stop.
He's praying Trump can get a deal, as otherwise they are losing the whole country as Russia is winning, then he can also blame Trump why they had to give up territory. Not quite sure how you give away something you dont actually have though.
@Zebedee-o4z I'm clealry English, and you assume Russia would be willing to sell the west energy after we sabotaged the Nordstream pipeline, maybe if the US pays for it to be repaired and Biden is put in jail for it they might.
Instead they lie to everyone in Europe about how the world and Europe has changed over the last 100 years and then they expect a united Europe to work.
No one has claimed they were for at least a year. The Russians have already failed comprehensively in meeting the original objectives fir the invasion. Keep up.
It’s shocking that Ukraine can lose with all the money and arms the world has sent them. Especially as the MSM has been saying Russia ran out of missiles over a year ago and is not using shovels.
I'll tell you one thing for sure, the vast majority of the soldiers fighting and dying want it to end, most left now have been forced to fight at gunpoint.
Putin would full have invaded, because Trump is a useless pussy. Ukraine would still have resisted. But they would not have had sufficient help and Europe would now be either at war or on their knees to Putin.
Maybe because Zelensky was relying on the democrats to fight a war the only way he was able to at the time. With Trump, hes gonna be able to fight economically, rather than militarily. If America increases oil production, russian oil will be worth even less, so their ability to fund the war will evaporate. Zelensky needed to be shown this, its not his fault the democrats didnt take this approach sooner.
@@leonodonoghueburke4276 What's the point of fighting anymore. They are still losing even with massive aid. The only way perhaps is when NATO joins the war but that would mean ww3 which everybody right now does not want.
@@lewisnerOf course Russia is winning. The real war experts such as Scott Ritter and Col McGregor are estimating the loss ratio to be 1:10 in favour of Russia. Sane people like myself I listen to them not fake news news like BBC or a clown like you.
the argument of "at what cost to Ukraine" doesn't make sense when ukraine is losing young soldiers , land and peace. something I don't think the Ukrainian people are happy about. Ukraine can't win this war, they were doomed from the beginning. peace through diplomacy is the only way
@DitchUK Not everyone wants to fight, which is why some countries closed their borders to Russia, just before those same countries joined NATO....and Thailand is very popular too.😉
Well, what has been the price for the war pushed by the USA up to now, while the regions in question have wanted their independence ever since 2014 and NATO (Germany and France) were to guarantee the organisation of their independence from Kiev!
Some land and sea thats currently occupied... as much as i'd love Ukraine to get their land back, it would require much more heavy losses for both sides, and cost the West 100's of more billions dollars, it's just not worth it.
We were ones who convinced ukraine to give up its weapons and then we turn around and walk away? What a disgrace,, and the whole world is watching. No wonder we lost credit around the world.
Ukraine never had nukes like Poland don't have nukes it was Russian nukes placed on their soil please be informed same as Kazakhstan etc..for once plese stop listening to propoganda. all the codes for those missiles were in Moscow
That is how war works. Zelenskyy had the opportunity to have peace at the Istanbul. At that point he would have had the east. All he had to do was agree on neutrality and accept crimea. It was stupid of Zelenskyy to decline that before. Zelenskyy is in denial. Make peace fix relations and for the long term sustained peace will be victorious. Zelenskyy has to stop the ultra nationalist in his country from sabotaging peace. Neutrality is the only way forward.
Let's be honest mate it wasn't in denial.... He stood to gain, everybody involved stood to gain something in such an avoidable war. The issue is, everybody in suits wants fighting to stop when threatened with money, however when it comes to simple soldiers and civilians dying then it doesn't deter these "brave warriors in suits, willing to let their people die for democracy".... It's all bollocks mate
"All he had to do was accept neutrality and accept (give away) Crimea". Oh easy then! May i point out that Russia also wants Ukraine disarmed and defenseless.
Zelensky didn't try to prevent the conflict through diplomacy because he lacks honor and integrity. In 2014 there was a coup. Soon after, there was a massacre in Odessa (dozens of people were burned alive). Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. A civil war broke out due to the rise in ethnic tensions. For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in Donbas. If Zelensky honored the Minsk agreement and pledged neutrality, none of this would have happened. The 8 year civil war would have ended and Donbas would have remained part of Ukraine. War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy. Zelensky, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements. Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April? Hint: someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time Russia's national security was compromised once NATO began to expand eastwards. Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining NATO was a red line (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security. Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable. The Russians have legitimate security concerns. 20th September, 2021: Ukraine launched military drills with US and NATO. NATO is not a defensive alliance. NATO illegally bombed Yugoslavia (a direct violation of the U.N. Charter). We should never forget what they did to Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. Who blew up the pipeline causing an environmental disaster? Zelensky banned all opposition and arrested a leading priest. Zelensky tried to invoke article 5 under false pretenses. Remember the incident in Poland. Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. Poroshenko said, “Our children will go to schools and kindergartens-theirs will hide in the basements”. Russians will never forget the 2014 Odessa massacre. The whole world needs to know about it. Why was Denis Kireev eliminated? He was a member of Ukraine's negotiating team during the peace negotiations. He wanted to help his country. Ukraine has a hit list. They target artists, journalists and ordinary citizens. Hundreds of children are on this list. 13 year old Faina Savenkova was placed on this list. Pink Floyd's Roger Waters is on this list. Jimmy Dore (American stand-up comedian, podcaster) and Aaron Maté (Canadian writer and journalist) are on this list. There is evidence that Ukrainian troops have been indiscriminately shelling civilians in Donbas (they used petal mines and targeted areas where there was no military presence). The azov troops trapped in the azovstal steelworks in Mariupol used human shields. They refused to allow civilians to leave despite of humanitarian corridors being present. Russia held a proposed cease fire in order for the civilians to leave, but azov would not allow the civilians to leave. Ukraine has committed many acts of terrorism (car bombs and other forms of assassination). Darya Dugina (journalist) R.I.P. The first terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed the truck driver and the individuals in the adjacent car (innocent civilian victims). The second terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed two parents and severely injured their young daughter. I have done a lot of research and it took me a long time to write this comment. I have stated a lot of facts and I have given my honest opinion. I have provided a brief summary of events that took place. In order to explain this whole situation in great detail, a book would need to be written. Hopefully someone will write an UNBIASED book, stating facts and allowing the readers to form their own judgments. Everything I said can be fact checked and verified.
i think political has changed Donald trump is gone with Arab ,Russia, king Jung Wong , India and china if you look at the map all the big country is outside of the NATO and NATO countries is in the middle of the map looks so small and an Asian is dominating the world economically and politically and business wise so Donald trump is with them so world has changed now from this wars.
Europe has contributed more money than the US though… We can keep pumping money to our hearts content. Our economies dwarf Russia. The EU + UK economies are only slightly behind the US as it is. We could buy Russia over ten times over.
Will it dry up to Israel though? I think not. If you think Trump isn't a war hawk you're delusional and don't even remember what he did during his 4yrs previously. He dropped the MOAB, he assassinated a high ranking Iranian leader which could have escalated their nuclear ambitions (and probably did), he moved the USAs embassy to Jerusalem which was a provocation, he didn't leave Afghanistan, drone strikes were higher than under Biden. I swear it's incredible how many people really only pay surface level attention to politics (unless it's culture war rubbish) and don't understand what they are cheering for. Also if you're American expect a lot of money to be spent on deporting immigrants, a huge reduction in healthcare, more money going to the top meaning a wider gap between the rich and lower middle class and working class and a tariff war which will hurt your pocket and small businesses. If you're not American then naturally that won't affect you though
@adriansheldon7778 Like: 1. Never be used by the US. Europe should know that the Ukraine war benefits the US more than it benefits Europe. Looks like Europe has no policy and strategy of its own on Ukraine, and had been blindly following the US. This has made European countries not US allies but US vassals. 2. Never poke the Bear unnecessarily. Russia is not Libya or Iraq. They will humble you and force you to eat the humble pie. Scholz is from doing that with Putin. 3. Handing Russia a strategic defeat on the battlefield is impossible especially using a proxy war. If NATO has balls, let it confront the Bear one on one. But we know who fears who by now and definitely it is not Russia that fears NATO but the other way round. 4. NATO & Zelensky should realise that well-staged press conferences don't win wars; actions on battlefield do. Russia spoke through actions while Europe was busy with propaganda. Luckily, the world audience is no longer stupid consumers of news without analyzing. 5. The next time NATO decides to take on Russia for whatever reason, NATO countries must ensure to be reasonably self-sufficient in key areas like energy and agriculture. You cannot fight a country that supports the quality of your food and life in general. 6. This world is too small for conflict but big enough for cooperation.
That Ukraine is a great nation is way, way over-stated. Before the conflict the nation was not only failed and divided, but also the poorest in Europe. Had Russian speaking population been happy staying in Ukraine, the conflict would have broken out.
Rapidly growing and integrating with the EU and after Russia invaded in 2014 onwards, most Ukrainians were uniting in opposition. Notice how no Ukrainians of any language or community defected to Russia post Invasion. Ukraine was rapidly becoming one of the fastest developing places in the world. Russia just couldn't bear to see a growing democracy on its doorstep. But even if not true, being a failed state doesn't allow you to invade, murder thousands of civilians, illegally annex territory, and literally steal children from their families...
Putin stated his conditions for even starting negotiations on the basis of Istanbul quite clearly. 1. Full Ukrainian withdrawal from the regions that are included in Russian constitution; 2. Recognition and acceptance from Ukraine that these regions are Russian; 3. Acceptance of Ukraine's neutral status. Istanbul also included restrictions on Ukrainian army armaments and a number of personal. Russians categorically rejected any freeze of the conflict Korea-style. These conditions can get only tougher by the time. Even Trump wouldn't be able to accept these conditions explicitly without a coup attempt against him, but he could do it implicitly by cutting Ukraine's sustenance and turning the page.
I think it entirely possible that Trump will be able to sneak something like the Istanbul solution past the American public. The gung-ho, pro-Ukraine sentiment was part and parcel of the hysteria created by the woke warmongers of the Democrat faction, now conclusively overthrown. They will scream and shout about it, but of course they are going to scream and shout about everything he does.
Trump can certainly accept these conditions. Why not? And its not up to him. Ukraine is LOSING. They better accept before they loose their entire country. It was clear from the start, they cannot win. So many lives lost needlessly.
To achieve peace, Western countries should support Ukraine’s transition to a neutral state. While this path may seem contentious, it presents the most viable solution to end the war and foster long-term regional stability. If there’s no neutrality, it’s hard to imagine any kind of good-neighborly relations between Russia and Ukraine.
The election of Trump, who has voiced skepticism about continued involvement in Ukraine, highlights a broader discontent within Western democracies. To avoid political turbulence, leaders should prioritize domestic challenges rather than extending significant resources to external conflicts. Politically, the cessation of active hostilities in Ukraine would relieve the West of the extensive financial and logistical support it has provided since the SMO began. This shift would allow Western nations to allocate their resources to domestic and global challenges. Addressing internal economic strains and public discontent could help avert potential political crises within Western democracies. The economic benefits of ending the conflict would also be significant. Europe, in particular, has faced major challenges due to the conflict, including energy shortages and soaring prices. Supporting Ukraine’s neutral status may be difficult to reconcile with the initial goals of defending its full sovereignty, but it’s a pragmatic solution that aligns with current realities. A neutral Ukraine would contribute to regional stability, reduce military and economic strains on the West, and allow all parties to pivot toward peace. This is a strategic move that brings tangible benefits to all sides, including the West.
so essentially that encourages Putin to move into other ex-soviet bloc countries as he did with Georgia in 2008. Putin said the greatest tragedy of the 20th Century was the breakup of the Soviet Union. You really think he is going to be satisfied with a few Ukraininan regions. How naive.
😂😂😂. You mean territories that wanted their independence since 2014 and that NATO (France and Germany) were meant to guarantee the organisation of their independence from Kiev!
Zelensky is the dictator, he hasnt allowed an election where the people can vote theyve had enough of throwing away their lives for an unwinable war for the West's proxy war on Russia.
This fella is so negative on Ukraine and thinking that Russia can maintain Putin's War when it's interest rates skyrocketed to 21%, inflation at 8.5%, the ruble hitting 100:1 US$, 1 million Russians left the country and sanctions biting the country !
London is not an English city anymore . In many civil Institutions white brits are minority . Who will fight for UK ? we expect to see black and Asian pilots and generals, and blacks into highest academic and managerial jobs.
After speaking to Trump in the week Scholz phoned Putin on Friday to learn Moscow's current position on ending the war as there had been no contact for almost two years. Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said "The conversation took place at the initiative of the German side. This is, of course, very important. There are attempts to compare positions, there is a political will to get to know this position first hand.This is something that, of course, cannot but cause satisfaction," Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.
Germany were clearly following orders of the Democrat government to push this proxy war with Russia, now Trump is takingn over suddenly they are back peddling fast, coincidence? I think not.
Unconditional surrender is the only practical solution for Ukraine at this point. Hitler's Germany also refused to admit defeat until Hitler killed himself, then Keitel signed unconditional surrender.
U.S. should continue to support the Ukrainian people in their fight to regain their land and sovereignty back. Ukraine should be free to choose to join NATO.
Why would they negotiate now after the West ignored all their concerns and demonized them, and got involved in basically a civil war thats nothing to do with them? The media will just blame Trump either way, Russia may as well put us in our place and take it all now they've come this far, and we can stop wasting money on a corrupt country.
You know Trump's planning on slashing every form of government spending right? No money is going to be spent on Americans it's all going to tax breaks for billionaires
I would much rather a compromise and peace Vs articles casually writing about nukes. Also people are quick to think 'putin = hitler' while forgetting about the NATO situation and failure of the agreement being the catalyst that Russia speaks of.
Yeah BBC is pure propaganda, with the dumbest argument ive ever heard, "Well, Russia hasnt launched nukes yet every time we've slapped them in the face, so let's keep slapping them, we're only gambling with the destruciton of the planet" While at the same time they tell us we should be worried about disputed climate change in a hundred years making it slightly warmer back to historical levels for the world.
@@sj3530 He didn't deny any negociations. He simply stated the terms were unacceptable because Putin literally wanted to turn Ukraine into a landlocked tiny state near Poland and take most of Ukraine's territory where all the valuable resources are. Stop babbling Telegram propaganda bs.
If they dont give some up they will lose it all as Russia is winning, of course the propaganda media like the BBC will blame Trump which ever way it turns out.
So? Do you expect President Zelensky to have elections during a war? You forgot to state that Putin has FAKE ELECTIONS, where his opponents are not allowed to stand because they are in prison, in exile, or have been murdered by Putin ! Don't you have a conscience ?!
This war should never had happened! A waste of money and lives
And which war isn't?
Blame Ukrainian ultra-nationalism and US interference.
Putin won, he has full control of the US now. Trump is his puppet.
@@guleirono bot, I’ll blame Russian aggression and invasion
@@guleiroI’ll blame russia Ivan.
LOL… BBC must be devastated
Why?
i thought these bots comments are for middle east situ
@@joelpetersen2480 Because BBC are establishment propaganda, pushing for more war for weapons company profits, just like they pushed dodgy vaccines for pharma profits, while covering up the whole other side of the story.
@@nationp7137no it’s for anything which the bbc spreads misinformation about which to be fair is actually just about everything
@@joelpetersen2480bc they are advocats of war...
world needs peace
Cheap words. Easy words.
Everyone wants peace... everyone apart from putin...
Have we learnt nothing... we can't appease dictators
@bensims7501 calm down Pompeo BOT
@bazle64 no idea what thst means! But I assume it's meant to be an insult... wonder why you need to resort to insults? (Rhetorical)
@@bensims7501 okay then. go fight, because thats the only other option
@@bensims7501 I think this war is costing Putin a pretty penny and he’ll finally come to realise it’s unsustainable & pointless long term. A rat needs a hole to escape through and Trump could be the man to persuade him to stop.
The war will stop because he knows that the aid may stop.
He's praying Trump can get a deal, as otherwise they are losing the whole country as Russia is winning, then he can also blame Trump why they had to give up territory.
Not quite sure how you give away something you dont actually have though.
@Zebedee-o4z I'm clealry English, and you assume Russia would be willing to sell the west energy after we sabotaged the Nordstream pipeline, maybe if the US pays for it to be repaired and Biden is put in jail for it they might.
@Zebedee-o4zSchulz has already spoken with Putin's advisers about energy. So yes.
No money no war
Ukraine would not win anyway even if the aid continued...
Russia has a stronger army.
cry more bbc
Grow up FFS
@@X-boomerGay
The war in Ukraine and Palestine is all b.s. anyway it should have all ended 30 years ago when the soviet union collapsed .
@@GJ-py4xy Ukraine going to join nato
Instead they lie to everyone in Europe about how the world and Europe has changed over the last 100 years and then they expect a united Europe to work.
But the BBC said Ukraine was winning. Poor journalism.
No one has claimed they were for at least a year. The Russians have already failed comprehensively in meeting the original objectives fir the invasion. Keep up.
It’s shocking that Ukraine can lose with all the money and arms the world has sent them. Especially as the MSM has been saying Russia ran out of missiles over a year ago and is not using shovels.
😂😂😂😂😂 @@Zayna-z4s
BBC is just a propaganda machine, there is no journalism.
It is not shocking, the West should have known that Zelensky is stealing the money he was given. Stupid is the West.@@Zayna-z4s
Says Zelensky??
More like: Says Trump!!
Everybody knows this...but do they want the war to really end?
I'd say in front of cameras yes in private no
@@5starlifestyle555 Indeed. Zelensky wants this war to last forever, but he will never admit that.
They get more money without war.
I'll tell you one thing for sure, the vast majority of the soldiers fighting and dying want it to end, most left now have been forced to fight at gunpoint.
@@alexsilent5603 Lol.
Yeah he started this war, he invaded Ukraine 2 years ago.
He thought he could take Kyiv.
Silly Zelensky...
Oh wait...
It wouldn't have started under Trump , everyone knows that.
Putin would full have invaded, because Trump is a useless pussy. Ukraine would still have resisted. But they would not have had sufficient help and Europe would now be either at war or on their knees to Putin.
damn right
BS. Putin isn't scared of 45. He would've still invaded Ukraine nonetheless. In fact 45 wouldn't have funded Ukraine to begin with
You Trump supporters got to stay off his meat😂
Delusional Trump bots. Trump sent Ukraine bigger weapons than Obama. Trump was part of the whole thing.
The BBC hate admitting this.
Trump is genuinely a force for good and peace in the world
Don't kid yourself.
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He switched side and tongue sooner than i thought
Well at least a large part of Ukraine still remains sovereign. Better than a size of the ant
Maybe because Zelensky was relying on the democrats to fight a war the only way he was able to at the time.
With Trump, hes gonna be able to fight economically, rather than militarily.
If America increases oil production, russian oil will be worth even less, so their ability to fund the war will evaporate. Zelensky needed to be shown this, its not his fault the democrats didnt take this approach sooner.
This channel is a joke
And here you are..............Just for the "laughs", right? Thought so.
Ukraine has already conceded a bunch of land because Zelensky is losing badly and refuses peace talks.
Those "peace talks" involve him giving up significantly more land, so I'm not sure what your point is
@@leonodonoghueburke4276I rather give up 10% of my land then letting all the fighting age males die in my country Ukraine is fucked either way
@@leonodonoghueburke4276 What's the point of fighting anymore. They are still losing even with massive aid. The only way perhaps is when NATO joins the war but that would mean ww3 which everybody right now does not want.
@@leonodonoghueburke4276 you will make a lousy diplomat... fitting for zelenskyy's government😂
Why would Putin talk with Zelenskyy? This is Washingtons war, not Ukraines.
Putin uses super big table😂😂
Biggest table in the world.
@@LoveLove-jg9olnevertheless the table is still the same 😅
@@kevfit4333 you never saw the table of King Charles. Then we can talk about biiiiig tables!
Oh am sorry who’s your leader if they so great ? Come on give us a good giggle
Classic Bond Villian!
If Ukraine is a 'great' nation, then Zelensky should end the war , not Trump.
No war, no free money from Biden. Oh wait, sugar daddy will leave, ok ah from other NATO warmongers than
Better for Ukraine now before it's too late. Russia is advancing in all of the direction's so fast 😮
So fast? Really? Do you consider 34kms gained by Russia in Donbass in three years fast?
@@briansmith6862
Zelensky is secret russian supporter he start this nonsense war to giveup ukrainins land to Russia and wast Million lifes 😢
Peace
"so fast" 😂😂😂 tell me you haven't been paying attention to war maps without telling me...
But we are been told by BBC that Ukraine is winning 🤭😂😂
When you look at the casualties on both sides nobody is a winner.
Menang dalam mimpi. Rusia maju terus di donbas😅
No, we aren't. No one is claiming that, or not at least for over 18 months.
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@@lewisnerOf course Russia is winning. The real war experts such as Scott Ritter and Col McGregor are estimating the loss ratio to be 1:10 in favour of Russia. Sane people like myself I listen to them not fake news news like BBC or a clown like you.
Freedom and democracy must prevail!
😅😅😅😅😅 well freedom and democracy ar dead 😅😅😅 you speak about ghost 😅😅😅
Don't believe vlad.@@Gaia1980-xv1mt
@Gaia1980-xv1mt Yeah, that's what Kremlin always says. 😅
They’re both paper democracies
Yes, like the recent elections in Ukraine when Zells term was up? Oh wait...there were no elections.😅
That guys right eyebrow is going somewhere else
The hair it’s migrating north to the border of his head 😂
It's disgusting on how people make money these days
Agreed corruption is endless in russia.
@@JohnDelmas Not just Russia, though is it?
@@JohnDelmasendless, that putin is continuously in power🤣🤣 cry more. Not corrupted when people actually choose him
Nothing new there at all.
The bbc must be very upset reporting on this, Trump hasn’t even taken office yet, his mere presence is sorting out this mess 😂
When Trump ends the war the BBC will desperately try to spin it as a bad thing.
No Nato just lost
Not really, Ukraine isn't a member and NATO was fighting with one hand behind its back.
How's the ruble comrade?
NATO isn't Ukraine or Russia. Get real.
@@blowfish1702 More excuses. Nato lost in Afghanistan and lost here.
@@TheTruthHz how is your losing weight program? Looks like no more potatoes for you, bye bye mcdonalds.😂
I thought Russia is crumbling with no weapons except shovels and washing machines
NATO lost it was a no win for Ukraine from day one.
Well after NATO got humiliated in Afghanistan I kind of expected it would lose here also.
Ha, do you think NATO had any interest in winning? This is a weapons testing ground.
Instead of arming Ukraine; UK tax payer money should be spent on infrastructure, healthcare, education etc.
the argument of "at what cost to Ukraine" doesn't make sense when ukraine is losing young soldiers , land and peace. something I don't think the Ukrainian people are happy about. Ukraine can't win this war, they were doomed from the beginning. peace through diplomacy is the only way
.... heading into its third year. Would you not be prepared to defend your country?
Russia tried diplomacy, no point talking to the west
@@HymnfortheDudes they are been dragged off the streets of Ukraine to fight.... why is that
@imperatorvespasian3125 No they didn't, they were demanding.
@DitchUK Not everyone wants to fight, which is why some countries closed their borders to Russia, just before those same countries joined NATO....and Thailand is very popular too.😉
Oh noo! That is not a good thing! Boris Johnson and his friends need to make more money!!
At what cost to Ukraine.
Their ego.
Well, what has been the price for the war pushed by the USA up to now, while the regions in question have wanted their independence ever since 2014 and NATO (Germany and France) were to guarantee the organisation of their independence from Kiev!
Their land and ports. All human lives lost.
@@johnmuthan286 They ''wanted'' their independence right after Russia's fighters invaded Ukraine with support of those regions
Some land and sea thats currently occupied... as much as i'd love Ukraine to get their land back, it would require much more heavy losses for both sides, and cost the West 100's of more billions dollars, it's just not worth it.
If Ukraine does not give up Crimea and the Donbass nothing will hold the Russians to move all the way to the Dnipro river
We were ones who convinced ukraine to give up its weapons and then we turn around and walk away? What a disgrace,, and the whole world is watching. No wonder we lost credit around the world.
Nope, Ukraine's president was forced out for being neutral and wanting to keep ties with Russia
Ukraine never had nukes like Poland don't have nukes it was Russian nukes placed on their soil please be informed same as Kazakhstan etc..for once plese stop listening to propoganda. all the codes for those missiles were in Moscow
and the US was the one who engineered this whole mess...the world was watching that too
Next you'll be getting the BBC praising Trump 😂😂😂😂😂
We Are hopeful that this " Senseless War be Stopped " Heart Breaking no need to destroy lives 🇧🇼
Hi
BBC management must be having an aneurysm 🎉👏👏👏👏
That is how war works.
Zelenskyy had the opportunity to have peace at the Istanbul. At that point he would have had the east. All he had to do was agree on neutrality and accept crimea. It was stupid of Zelenskyy to decline that before.
Zelenskyy is in denial. Make peace fix relations and for the long term sustained peace will be victorious. Zelenskyy has to stop the ultra nationalist in his country from sabotaging peace. Neutrality is the only way forward.
Let's be honest mate it wasn't in denial.... He stood to gain, everybody involved stood to gain something in such an avoidable war. The issue is, everybody in suits wants fighting to stop when threatened with money, however when it comes to simple soldiers and civilians dying then it doesn't deter these "brave warriors in suits, willing to let their people die for democracy".... It's all bollocks mate
Yeah, sure.
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He was strong armed by the US with their poodle Boris Johnson.
"All he had to do was accept neutrality and accept (give away) Crimea". Oh easy then! May i point out that Russia also wants Ukraine disarmed and defenseless.
Blessed are the peacemakers ❤
I hope trump stops support to Ukraine and let's see what will Europe do it's gonna be very good
About as vague as a Stump speech
You know Europe has contributed more to Ukraine, right?
Zelensky didn't try to prevent the conflict through diplomacy because he lacks honor and integrity.
In 2014 there was a coup. Soon after, there was a massacre in Odessa (dozens of people were burned alive). Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. A civil war broke out due to the rise in ethnic tensions. For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in Donbas.
If Zelensky honored the Minsk agreement and pledged neutrality, none of this would have happened. The 8 year civil war would have ended and Donbas would have remained part of Ukraine. War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy.
Zelensky, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements.
Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April? Hint: someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time
Russia's national security was compromised once NATO began to expand eastwards. Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining NATO was a red line (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security. Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable. The Russians have legitimate security concerns.
20th September, 2021: Ukraine launched military drills with US and NATO.
NATO is not a defensive alliance. NATO illegally bombed Yugoslavia (a direct violation of the U.N. Charter).
We should never forget what they did to Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
Who blew up the pipeline causing an environmental disaster?
Zelensky banned all opposition and arrested a leading priest.
Zelensky tried to invoke article 5 under false pretenses. Remember the incident in Poland.
Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed.
Poroshenko said, “Our children will go to schools and kindergartens-theirs will hide in the basements”.
Russians will never forget the 2014 Odessa massacre. The whole world needs to know about it.
Why was Denis Kireev eliminated? He was a member of Ukraine's negotiating team during the peace negotiations. He wanted to help his country.
Ukraine has a hit list. They target artists, journalists and ordinary citizens. Hundreds of children are on this list. 13 year old Faina Savenkova was placed on this list.
Pink Floyd's Roger Waters is on this list. Jimmy Dore (American stand-up comedian, podcaster) and Aaron Maté (Canadian writer and journalist) are on this list.
There is evidence that Ukrainian troops have been indiscriminately shelling civilians in Donbas (they used petal mines and targeted areas where there was no military presence).
The azov troops trapped in the azovstal steelworks in Mariupol used human shields. They refused to allow civilians to leave despite of humanitarian corridors being present.
Russia held a proposed cease fire in order for the civilians to leave, but azov would not allow the civilians to leave.
Ukraine has committed many acts of terrorism (car bombs and other forms of assassination). Darya Dugina (journalist) R.I.P.
The first terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed the truck driver and the individuals in the adjacent car (innocent civilian victims).
The second terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed two parents and severely injured their young daughter.
I have done a lot of research and it took me a long time to write this comment. I have stated a lot of facts and I have given my honest opinion.
I have provided a brief summary of events that took place. In order to explain this whole situation in great detail, a book would need to be written.
Hopefully someone will write an UNBIASED book, stating facts and allowing the readers to form their own judgments. Everything I said can be fact checked and verified.
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Excellent comment. Very well constructed
i think political has changed Donald trump is gone with Arab ,Russia, king Jung Wong , India and china if you look at the map all the big country is outside of the NATO and NATO countries is in the middle of the map looks so small and an Asian is dominating the world economically and politically and business wise so Donald trump is with them so world has changed now from this wars.
And that's the thanks Biden gets from Zelensky. Go figure.
Zelensky must now look to his future.
Don't worry he has his future sorted a long time now unlike the rest of his country
@@kpcm834 I just wonder where his retirement villas will be, and whether or not he will get a chat show on prime time US TV.
@@kpcm834Based comment
I genuinely thought he would die a hero by fighting on the front lines. Oh well.
Please send more money for his future.
Zelenskyy the clown 🤡
BBC having to report something positive about Trump. They must be devastated.
It’ll end because the money will dry up. GO TRUMP GO
Europe has contributed more money than the US though…
We can keep pumping money to our hearts content. Our economies dwarf Russia. The EU + UK economies are only slightly behind the US as it is. We could buy Russia over ten times over.
Will it dry up to Israel though? I think not. If you think Trump isn't a war hawk you're delusional and don't even remember what he did during his 4yrs previously. He dropped the MOAB, he assassinated a high ranking Iranian leader which could have escalated their nuclear ambitions (and probably did), he moved the USAs embassy to Jerusalem which was a provocation, he didn't leave Afghanistan, drone strikes were higher than under Biden. I swear it's incredible how many people really only pay surface level attention to politics (unless it's culture war rubbish) and don't understand what they are cheering for. Also if you're American expect a lot of money to be spent on deporting immigrants, a huge reduction in healthcare, more money going to the top meaning a wider gap between the rich and lower middle class and working class and a tariff war which will hurt your pocket and small businesses. If you're not American then naturally that won't affect you though
Yeah That's why your German chancellor called Putin 😂@@Alex-ug9wx
Lol Zelenksy is regretting throwing Trump under the bus foyr years ago. The end is near. ....😂
Dear NATO and Ukraine, learn. History is sometimes a harsh teacher.
Learn what ???.
@adriansheldon7778
Like:
1. Never be used by the US. Europe should know that the Ukraine war benefits the US more than it benefits Europe. Looks like Europe has no policy and strategy of its own on Ukraine, and had been blindly following the US. This has made European countries not US allies but US vassals.
2. Never poke the Bear unnecessarily. Russia is not Libya or Iraq. They will humble you and force you to eat the humble pie. Scholz is from doing that with Putin.
3. Handing Russia a strategic defeat on the battlefield is impossible especially using a proxy war. If NATO has balls, let it confront the Bear one on one. But we know who fears who by now and definitely it is not Russia that fears NATO but the other way round.
4. NATO & Zelensky should realise that well-staged press conferences don't win wars; actions on battlefield do. Russia spoke through actions while Europe was busy with propaganda. Luckily, the world audience is no longer stupid consumers of news without analyzing.
5. The next time NATO decides to take on Russia for whatever reason, NATO countries must ensure to be reasonably self-sufficient in key areas like energy and agriculture. You cannot fight a country that supports the quality of your food and life in general.
6. This world is too small for conflict but big enough for cooperation.
Some never lear from their history
lol you should learn history, Trump is new Chamberlain.
@KatyaLishch Hahahaha....
Never mind me Zelenskyy
World of opportunity opens for you
Model , actor , poet , money launderer international speaker
Are you trying to recruit him next 😂😂😅😅😅
Where does the BBC get its never ending supply of creepy looking reporters
Democracy also means elections. Who is Zelensky?
But then what will us Americans cry about ?
Trump is going to save a lot of Ukrainian lives.
He's going to carve up slices of their country and hand it over to Putin, this robbing them of their independence.
Gazprom yesterday stopped gas supply to Austria ! UK must send North sea gas to Austria at cheap prices, as was russian pipeline gas .
Something about non payments. It will soon be back on.
@@Mina-gm3pg stupid Austrians paid for cheap gas and also sued Gazprom for € 250 000 000.00 .
The race is tight 😉😉😉
Ukraine is winning 😉😉😉
BBC reporting news 😉😉😉
In the end bottom 🍌🍌🍌
You guys are sick/lost
Will mrs Z have to give the custom Bugatti Veyron back now?
That Ukraine is a great nation is way, way over-stated. Before the conflict the nation was not only failed and divided, but also the poorest in Europe. Had Russian speaking population been happy staying in Ukraine, the conflict would have broken out.
Rapidly growing and integrating with the EU and after Russia invaded in 2014 onwards, most Ukrainians were uniting in opposition. Notice how no Ukrainians of any language or community defected to Russia post Invasion.
Ukraine was rapidly becoming one of the fastest developing places in the world. Russia just couldn't bear to see a growing democracy on its doorstep.
But even if not true, being a failed state doesn't allow you to invade, murder thousands of civilians, illegally annex territory, and literally steal children from their families...
Actually Trump will make no concessions with Putin. Trump always negotiates from strength .
Haters will find a way to spin this against trump
Ukraine was never going to have total victory.
Oops comment delated in the free west..ha ha ha ...what a charade you are , and liars as well
😄😃😄great to see BBC crying your nation and your prime minister Borris is responsible for this loss of lives and distruction of Ukraine.....
We should stop supporting Ukraine. Like that, they would negotiate really faster
Starting to come to his senses but pride holding him back a little. At least he's become mega rich from all this eh!
For the first time. I agree Russia is Military power .....
I long for the day when all countries work together in peace to make a better world.
well then whats the militayr industrial complex supposed to do? cant have that. they need their money
You will die of old age and never see it.
Putin stated his conditions for even starting negotiations on the basis of Istanbul quite clearly. 1. Full Ukrainian withdrawal from the regions that are included in Russian constitution; 2. Recognition and acceptance from Ukraine that these regions are Russian; 3. Acceptance of Ukraine's neutral status. Istanbul also included restrictions on Ukrainian army armaments and a number of personal. Russians categorically rejected any freeze of the conflict Korea-style. These conditions can get only tougher by the time. Even Trump wouldn't be able to accept these conditions explicitly without a coup attempt against him, but he could do it implicitly by cutting Ukraine's sustenance and turning the page.
I think it entirely possible that Trump will be able to sneak something like the Istanbul solution past the American public. The gung-ho, pro-Ukraine sentiment was part and parcel of the hysteria created by the woke warmongers of the Democrat faction, now conclusively overthrown. They will scream and shout about it, but of course they are going to scream and shout about everything he does.
Trump can certainly accept these conditions. Why not? And its not up to him. Ukraine is LOSING. They better accept before they loose their entire country. It was clear from the start, they cannot win. So many lives lost needlessly.
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Trump will tell Putin what to do and that’s about it. Trump has a $1 trillion war machine and he will use it.
It’s up to Trump to decide now
Be careful what you wish for Zelensky. The end may not be what you expect. DonOLD the felon has shown us, many times, that he's not to be trusted.
When did he show us that?
@@Cruzeoc101 Attempting to overturn the 2020 election without evidence.
@@lentilsoup460The evidence is right there
2020: Biden 81 million-74 million Trump
2024: Kamala 69 million-74 million Trump
So at least this war is going to end soon
This is geuinely the worst, most uninformed comment section I've ever seen, which is quite an achievement
To achieve peace, Western countries should support Ukraine’s transition to a neutral state. While this path may seem contentious, it presents the most viable solution to end the war and foster long-term regional stability. If there’s no neutrality, it’s hard to imagine any kind of good-neighborly relations between Russia and Ukraine.
The election of Trump, who has voiced skepticism about continued involvement in Ukraine, highlights a broader discontent within Western democracies. To avoid political turbulence, leaders should prioritize domestic challenges rather than extending significant resources to external conflicts.
Politically, the cessation of active hostilities in Ukraine would relieve the West of the extensive financial and logistical support it has provided since the SMO began. This shift would allow Western nations to allocate their resources to domestic and global challenges. Addressing internal economic strains and public discontent could help avert potential political crises within Western democracies.
The economic benefits of ending the conflict would also be significant. Europe, in particular, has faced major challenges due to the conflict, including energy shortages and soaring prices.
Supporting Ukraine’s neutral status may be difficult to reconcile with the initial goals of defending its full sovereignty, but it’s a pragmatic solution that aligns with current realities. A neutral Ukraine would contribute to regional stability, reduce military and economic strains on the West, and allow all parties to pivot toward peace.
This is a strategic move that brings tangible benefits to all sides, including the West.
But if everyone wants this????🎉🎉❤
so essentially that encourages Putin to move into other ex-soviet bloc countries as he did with Georgia in 2008. Putin said the greatest tragedy of the 20th Century was the breakup of the Soviet Union. You really think he is going to be satisfied with a few Ukraininan regions. How naive.
@SAB8SAB8 it's better to stop zelenskyy now before he turns full blown hitler
Stopping war is what we humans want.
Trumps an idiot! Slava Ukraine!!!🇺🇸🇺🇦🇺🇸🇺🇦
Cope
Ukraine is idiots
Europe should stand alone.
If the shoe was on the other foot, would TRUMP give up part of the USA to a dictator
😂😂😂.
You mean territories that wanted their independence since 2014 and that NATO (France and Germany) were meant to guarantee the organisation of their independence from Kiev!
Yes, definitely. And the dictator will be his best friend.
Zelensky is the dictator, he hasnt allowed an election where the people can vote theyve had enough of throwing away their lives for an unwinable war for the West's proxy war on Russia.
Probably 😅
Alaska belongs to Russia, so yes
Trump: We must give Putin the Sudetenland!
This fella is so negative on Ukraine and thinking that Russia can maintain Putin's War when it's interest rates skyrocketed to 21%, inflation at 8.5%, the ruble hitting 100:1 US$, 1 million Russians left the country and sanctions biting the country !
Russia can maintain the war
London is not an English city anymore . In many civil
Institutions white brits are minority . Who will fight for UK ? we expect to see black and Asian pilots and generals, and blacks into highest academic and managerial jobs.
Sanctions are meaningless when they border a country with a billion+ people (china)
Yawning!! You sound very bitter! 🤣 Russia is winning on the ground and doing just fine. Now take those figures and shove them up ur...!!!😅😂
"Ending" meaning you can forget about him helping you remain free.
Thats not. good.
Thankyou Donald! Best president elect of all time
A backstabber
After speaking to Trump in the week Scholz phoned Putin on Friday to learn Moscow's current position on ending the war as there had been no contact for almost two years.
Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said "The conversation took place at the initiative of the German side. This is, of course, very important. There are attempts to compare positions, there is a political will to get to know this position first hand.This is something that, of course, cannot but cause satisfaction," Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.
Germany were clearly following orders of the Democrat government to push this proxy war with Russia, now Trump is takingn over suddenly they are back peddling fast, coincidence? I think not.
Unconditional surrender is the only practical solution for Ukraine at this point. Hitler's Germany also refused to admit defeat until Hitler killed himself, then Keitel signed unconditional surrender.
Translates to trump is not a war monger
Trump is a no Tolerance Leader who get Results.
Thank you America love from England MAGA America first not last 🏴🇺🇲🙏🏻❤
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Oh how will we ever get ourselves into more debt without sending more foreign aid.
My condolences to the BBC that White men are about to stop dying en masse.
They still have the browns
People of this generation need peace not war every time, we are tired with war
U.S. should continue to support the Ukrainian people in their fight to regain their land and sovereignty back. Ukraine should be free to choose to join NATO.
and what about bombing dombas and banning languages they don't like...that too?
Ukraine should be a neutral zone and Zelensky needs to go back to being a £billionair comedian.
Russia needs to take all of Ukraine
Why would they negotiate now after the West ignored all their concerns and demonized them, and got involved in basically a civil war thats nothing to do with them?
The media will just blame Trump either way, Russia may as well put us in our place and take it all now they've come this far, and we can stop wasting money on a corrupt country.
It turns out that they are fighting while someone from the outside is at the helm?!
The war needs to end, that is why we voted for trump. We want our money spent on American domestic life.
You know Trump's planning on slashing every form of government spending right? No money is going to be spent on Americans it's all going to tax breaks for billionaires
Trump is poison to our country
We do in the UK too, unfortunately our voting system is even more undemocratic than the US.
@@boxingmessaboutwithmydonro3347 You know Trump's planning on slashing all government spending in the US right?
"What did you say? "
-Putin in his last meeting
I would much rather a compromise and peace Vs articles casually writing about nukes. Also people are quick to think 'putin = hitler' while forgetting about the NATO situation and failure of the agreement being the catalyst that Russia speaks of.
Yeah BBC is pure propaganda, with the dumbest argument ive ever heard, "Well, Russia hasnt launched nukes yet every time we've slapped them in the face, so let's keep slapping them, we're only gambling with the destruciton of the planet"
While at the same time they tell us we should be worried about disputed climate change in a hundred years making it slightly warmer back to historical levels for the world.
We love u trump❤
Yeah with no help from the BBC MSM.
Absolute joke of an outfit. Sort out your anti-British stance 🤛🙏🏻🤜
How does it feel to be a puppet and get many killed Zelensky?
How did Zelensky get many killed? By defending a country from an invasion by Russia?
So he should've just let Russia invade his country?
@@truthismycause2800 simply by denying negotiations, which now he'll have to do. That simple fact is too much for the idiots to fathom.
@@lentilsoup460 so, is he changing anything now?
@@sj3530 He didn't deny any negociations. He simply stated the terms were unacceptable because Putin literally wanted to turn Ukraine into a landlocked tiny state near Poland and take most of Ukraine's territory where all the valuable resources are.
Stop babbling Telegram propaganda bs.
Ukraine should admit they are lost this war and should give up all the territory or face the trump music
If they dont give some up they will lose it all as Russia is winning, of course the propaganda media like the BBC will blame Trump which ever way it turns out.
He used to love Biden once! What a joke.
Zelenskiy elected term ended 6 months ago!
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So? Do you expect President Zelensky to have elections during a war?
You forgot to state that Putin has FAKE ELECTIONS, where his opponents are not allowed to stand because they are in prison, in exile, or have been murdered by Putin !
Don't you have a conscience ?!
In case you hadn't noticed, there's a couple of more important things going on in Ukraine than worrying about an election...🙄🙄🤡🙄
@@_Ben4810 So how do the public end a war they dont want then? Oh yeah they cant, so it's no longer a democracy but a dictatorship.
@@_Ben4810 I thought they were "fighting to protect democracy" 😂🤡 you can't have it both ways.
This was clear from the very beginning. It was a pointless act and waste of time.