Absolutely brilliant and so very clear. Years ago I used to guide people around Stratford-upon-Avon and saw very clearly the weakness of the view that shakspere could in any way have been the great poet - It is so obvious that he was not. Not least of which is the view almost within living memory, not more than a few generations back, of the goodly people of the town not wanting to have anything to do with a man whose legacy locally they would rather be disassociated with. Having started to read into the alternative views and then much later finding Alexander’s videos here, it’s exciting to learn about this channel, which I will be studying with huge interest. As you said, the fact of this band of “euphuists” at table in a great but short-lived college is just the tip of the iceberg.
I don't need to go into all the reasons, there are numerous books, videos here, conferences etc. that explain why many people have taken this view, which is obvious when you do some thinking rather than jumping to ad hominem remarks. The fact that Will Shaksper was unable to sign his own name is high on the list, along with a house being rebuilt in Victorian times to promote a myth, and having nothing whatever that belonged to the glove-maker's son in it (especially books, that Will never possessed in his entire life). For info, I was not a "tour guide" but enjoyed showing many visitors around the town; I lived nearby, interestingly enough in Rowington, where John and also Will Shaksper lived.
I don't recognise your caricature of Stratford. I worked there for years, and locals turn out in droves when there's some special occasion connected with the work of the talented local boy. Who trained you? You must have been a very inattentive trainee. If you were taking people around the town, you were talking to tourists, you nerk.
@@peterzoeftig2513 Since he couldn't sign his own name, it seems odd that we have six signatures written in good secretary hand, complete with standard abbreviations. So glad you're not working there now. You were clearly an awful tourist guide. And yes, it WAS rebuilt in Victorian times, because by that time it had been through several incarnations, including ale-house and butcher's shop. It's actually not bad as Victorian restorations go, and the decoration is meticulously copied from patterns and styles of the time, complete with accurate period furniture, and guides who (unlike your good self) know what they are talking about. There's pretty good evidence that this WAS the original rather swish (for the time) house where the talented boy Shakespeare lived. Also the Grammar school he attended is still extant, Holy Trinity Church is beautiful, and the Royal Shakespeare Theatre is a thriving cultural centre which produces world-class productions, hosting the greatest actors of their generation. I've seen Alan Rickman, David Tenant, Patrick Stuart, Janet Suzman, Mira Sayal, Sylvester McCoy, Jane Lapotaire ... Maybe you'd have enjoyed your job more if you'd taken more interest.
Re closing comment on Marlowe and the Ed II play, consider Edward de Vere was Edward II’s six great grand-nephew, via the Courtenays- if not even more closely related illegitimately. Similarly, de Vere’s mother’s paternal grandfather was Sir John Donne (AKA John ap Gruffyd Dwnn in Welsh patronymic syntax), whose father Griffith is thought to have fought at Agincourt… with Henry, and THE band of brothers. Many of de Vere’s lineal ancestors feature prominently in the bard’s canon. Where is the best list of them?
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While I love your videos and think that your theories are wonderful I have to disagree about devere being called Apollo more than anyone else I think that Sir Francis Bacon was called Apollo by many many of his peers is this not true?
So Shake-Spear (Oxford) was writing for Britain. But Shake-Spear was Athena, and Athena was Britannia, …she (Athena) is displayed as Britannia on many of our coins. ….so Shake-Spear was a fitting name for the Poet Laureate. R
@@BerkshireBabe I love this idea. Waugh is always saying that stuff. 'Elizabethan poets were very smart and very clever. ' ALL OF THEM???? There were NO stupid poets? Nonsense. But you take it even further. ALL Elizabethans were educated. Well, that's great news. Maybe we need to close down most of our schools apart from a few grammar schools, and rely on fee-paying schools and personal tutors for the rich. Maybe THEN we can catch up with the Elizabethans. This is all such hogwash - an intoxicating cocktail of wishful thinking and snobbery, delivering the standard kick that conspiracy theorists get from thinking they're in on some dark secret. Contrary to popular opinion, there is abundant evidence that the man from Stratford became an actor in London, then wrote some poems and plays. Meanwhile there is literally NO documentary evidence that links the Earl of Oxford with any of the work. And the Earth is a globe. And NASA landed people on the moon. And there is no Q.
Ha ha! Very funny. Just for anybody who is reading this exchange and doesn't know, there is nothing contentious about saying that the Renaissance was a time of great scholarship when the ancient Greek texts were rediscovered and translated into Latin, a language which ALL educated people could read. Gradually the texts were translated into the vernacular languages of Europe. Whether thoutube likes it or not, almost all of the poets mentioned in this video were educated at Oxford or Cambridge and were deeply immeresed in the classics. In fact, George Chapman, a poet in De Vere's circle did the first translation of the Homeric Hymns into English. Here's the quote from a later translation about how Athena sprang out of the head of Zeus fully armed, shaking her spear: "Wise Zeus himself bare her from his awful head, arrayed in warlike arms of flashing gold, and awe seized all the gods as they gazed. But Athena sprang quickly from the immortal head and stood before Zeus who holds the aegis, shaking a sharp spear".
@@BerkshireBabe Funny you choose the LATER translation. Because Chapman's Homer (the first to be translated to English from the original Greek) puts it like this: "Her birth gave way to, that abroad she flew, And stood, in gold arm’d, in her Father’s view, Shaking her sharp lance." Lance, not spear. It's not a fine distinction. A lance is a pole weapon, too big to throw. And if that's the way the Greek word was translated AT THE TIME, then that's the way classicists AT THAT TIME would have seen it. The works were never published under the name of 'Shakelance'.
@@BerkshireBabe It's hardly surprising that most of the poets had been to Oxford or Cambridge. But I'm not sure they learned things that would have helped them to be poets or playwrights. Interestingly, Ben Jonson had NOT. Nor had many other playwrights, and equally interestingly, there's a bit of dialogue in the Parnassus plays which yokes Jonson and Shakespeare together as successful writers who hadn't been to university. Marlowe HAD been to University in theory, but spent so much time spying for the government that the University had to be coerced into awarding him a degree. But the big problem for people who want Oxford to be the writer is that William Shakespeare of Stratford was. Similarly, if only George Lucas hadn't written 'Star Wars' it could have been me. Problem is, George beat me to it. How do we KNOW that the boy from Stratford wrote the work? Well, it's like this: 1 In the case of Bellot v Mountjoy, which was heard in a London courtroom, WS was recorded as 'William Shakespeare (that spelling) Stratford upon Avon in the county of Warwick'. You can see the original here: shakespearedocumented.folger.edu/resource/document/bellott-v-mountjoy-first-set-depositions-bellotts-behalf-including-shakespeares. 2 So Shakespeare OF STRATFORD was in London. But was he the actor? Well, William's father John had attained the rank of gentleman. Thus Shakespeare is listed by the college of arms. As it happens, they LISTED Shakespeare of Stratford as 'Shakespeare the Player'. You can find the evidence here: shakespearedocumented.folger.edu/repository/college-arms 3 William Shakespeare is also listed in his collected works by Ben Jonson as one of the 'principal tragedians'. You'll find the original documents here: shakespearedocumented.folger.edu/resource/document/works-benjamin-jonson-shakespeare-included-two-cast-lists We also have evidence of a payment made for a court performance, and Shakespeare's name being listed on the Letters Patent given to the King's Men company. Exchequer, Pipe Office, Declared Accounts: Listing Shakespeare as a leading player of the Lord Chamberlain’s company | Shakespeare Documented (folger.edu) Exchequer, Pipe Office, Declared Accounts: Listing Shakespeare as a leading player of the Lord Chamberlain’s company | Shakespeare Documented (folger.edu) Now let's look at the evidence that this actor was also the writer. 1Francis Meres listed him in 1598 as writer. Oddly enough, he also mentions the Earl of Oxford. he clearly sees them as two different people: shakespearedocumented.folger.edu/resource/document/palladis-tamia-one-earliest-printed-assessments-shakespeares-works-and-first 2Shakespeare's name appears on a list of plays performed at court during the winter of 1604-5. It ascribes SEVEN canonical plays to him: shakespearedocumented.folger.edu/resource/document/account-edmund-tylney-master-revels-listing-plays-performed-year-1604-5 3 Here is a list of the people who made it quite clear that they thought William Shakespeare was the writer of the plays and poems: Ben Jonson (both in his elegy and in his prose memoir) John Webster (a writer who acknowledged Shakespeare's influence on him). Francis Beaumont - another playwright, who wrote: "Here I would let slip (If I had any in me) scholarship, And from all learning keep these lines as clear As Shakespeare's best are, which our heirs shall hear Preachers apt to their auditors to show How far sometimes a mortal man may go By the dim light of Nature." William Davenant wrote an elegy in which he evoked Stratford upon Avon in connection with the writer. John Davis of Hereford wrote an epigram in which he made it clear that Shakespeare was both writer and actor. This is just a sample. Many of the elegies also make it abundantly clear that they are talking about Shakespeare AS WRITER. The evidence is so abundant, it's EMBARRASSING. Whereas the evidence for Oxford is ... er .... Not sure. Something to do with pirates?
Edward Devere - The great elephant in the room that Stratfordians seemingly never see. At the highest levels they must know surely! That cannot be fools. At that level are they gatekeepers? Are they paid to keep this from the world? If so, by whom? Who is so powerful that they would want this kept secret?
The anti-Shakespearean faction certainly spend considerable time and effort - and obtain great satisfaction - from trying to prove Shakespeare was not written by Shakespeare. William Shakespeare was born in the small town of Stratford, Warwickshire, and his childhood was spent in a crowded household. In his dramas there are images of stopped ovens and smoking lamps, of washing and scouring, dusting and sweeping. And to boiling and mincing, stewing and frying, badly prepared cakes and un-sieved flour, along with other household work like knitting and needlework. Also carpentry, hooping and joinery, which was carried out in the back yard of the house. No other Elizabethan dramatist employs so many domestic allusions. Being a farmer’s son, he knew of grafting and pruning, digging and dunging. In his works he alludes to more than one hundred different plants. He uses local Warwickshire names for the flowers of the meadow, such as Ophelia’s crow-flowers and Lear’s cuckoo-flowers, also love-in-idleness for the pansy, bilberry for the whortleberry, honey-stalks for stalks of clover and golden lad for the dandelion. Shakespeare knew the rich folklore of his native Warwickshire from childhood. He learned of the witches who create storms and the Welsh fairies that hide in foxgloves. He knew of the toad with the medicinal jewel in its head and of the man in the moon who carried a bundle of thorns. In the Forest of Arden there were ghosts & goblins and the plots of these fairy stories can be glimpsed in his adult dramas. Pericles was one of the old tales told round the hearth and ballads and folk tales charge the plot of The Taming of the Shrew. Rural traditions were deeply embedded in his mind and he understood the country very well, with what Edgar in King Lear calls its ‘low fermes…poor pelting villages, sheep coates and milles’. He saw the sheep-shearing feasts at Snitterfield and resurrected one in The Winter’s Tale. The May-games of his youth return in A Midsummer Night’s Dream and stray details of his rural youth emerge in a hundred different contexts. Real places and people are enlisted in his dramas. The names of two business associates of his father, George Vizer of Woodmancote and Clement Perkes of Stinchcombe Hill, reappear in Henry IV, Part Two. The words and phrases of Shakespeare’s childhood are recalled in his writing. He uses ‘fap’ to mean drunk, ‘third-borough’ for constable, ‘aroynt’ for leave, and many others besides. The language spoken by Shakespeare in his native Warwickshire was nearer to Saxon than to Norman French, seemingly little affected by the foreign culture of the conquerors. Extra consonants were added to lend emphasis to certain words, vowels were lengthened too, making it sounded thicker and more resonant than the language of London. This was how Shakespeare spoke as a child and Stratford idioms were used in his writing, although the fussiness of successive printers and editors has curbed and flattened his native sonority. It seems, to say the least, something of a puzzle - more realistically an impossibility - that Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford, could become familiar with all the above, which would be a closed book to somebody not native to Warwickshire. Let alone somebody in his position with a retinue of servants to meet his every need, relieving him of any thoughts (or knowledge) of mere everyday matters. It would, however, be second-nature to a farmer’s son raised in a rural environment. How could this aristocrat have become familiar with common dialect words from a different part of the country - and a very different strata of society - then substitute them in place of his own more refined language? More to the point, why would he want to do that anyway?
The entire play-writer scene met under Realigh on Friday nights while Shakespeare never appeared nor was he physically met in London although he was well known in Stratford off-season time. This is because the Derby’s (Stanleys) kept the only troop of actors whom Shakespeare worked for, but “William Stanley “ always presented the in-town presence of the author. in-town Shakespeare never existed and was simplify a name assigned to the group whom formed around Edward DeVer until DeVer died in 1604. The physical imposter in all of the was William Kyes, the son of Thomas Kyes and Mary Grey,, who was, therefor, a heir to the English crown whom assumed the identity of William Stanley in the late 1680s. This seems on absurd contention we’re not for the fact that William Stanley has to Perdue three years litigation to be recognized as Willam Stanley. What I would argue that William Kyes brought up in Stratford as William Shakespeare While William Stanley was making a positive mess up his life in London with actions that bordered on the psychotic. The simple answer was to let the cousins Kyes and Stanley loose in Europe in the Europe and the Middle Seven years on a series of insane adventures that the real Stanley did not service leaving Kyes to assert himself as the cousin whom was only two older than himself. Through various machinations, Kyes was financially accepted into Derby family to play a secondary role to DeVer and as the go between with the, now, nonexistent Shakespeare.
I've a;ways thought "Shakespeare" was an ever-changing group of writers and actors headed by someone like de Vere (and then someone else after he died). I'd be curious to find out who was behind grafting the pen-name personality of William Shakespeare onto the glover's son William Shakspere. It is clear under the legal concept of qui bono that Stratford-upon-Avon misappropriated the playwright as their native son and have profited greatly in the past 400 years. I have no doubt if there had been an alternate William Shaksber or William Shaxpere in some other place, like Somerset or Yorkshire, we would have seen a battle to claim the rights to the alleged playwright.
It wasn't a pen name. It's an actual name. It appears in the birth and death records of holy trinity. And in the case of Bellot v Mountjoy, he appeared as a witness. The clerk recorded his name as 'William Shakespeare of Stratford upon Avon in the county of Warwick'. So the Shakespeare of London was also the Shakespeare of Stratford. He is listed as an actor in the plays of Ben Jonson, and received payments for court performances for Queen Elizabeth. As a member of the King's Men, he was issued with cloth to make doublet and hose for the coronation of King James. He is also mentioned on MANY documents in connection with the King's Men theatre company, including the official letters patent. He received a bequest from actor Augustine Philips, and made bequests to Burbage, Heminges and Condel. Other playwrights identified him as author, including Ben Jonson, Francis Beaumont and John Webster. He is ASTONISHINGLY well documented for a man of his time. You are just wrong. This is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of cold hard documentary fact. Therefore be out of hope, out of question. The boy from Stratford wrote the plays.
If you checkout Alexander Waugh's channel: th-cam.com/channels/HN7SCKlsa9lPYJmqqQ2uIg.html You'll find he comes at the authorship question from all the angles. The Shakespeare Oxford Fellowship is also a good port of call. Successful browsing and stay safe in these difficult times.
There are two documentaries. One is called _Last Will. & Testament_ 2012 and the other is much more recent and called _Nothing Is Truer Than Truth_ and can be seen online in pay-per-view or streaming for free on some platforms. There is also the film "Anonymous" which takes liberties to postulate on possible scenario, and it's entertaining enough, even if it's not the most memorable film.
I wonder if Marlowe was a proto-Shakespeare who was cut loose, especially after the Martin Marprelate episodes. It almost seems like all these writers were part of a brotherhood, almost like the Brotherhood of the Rose Cross.
Marlowe was a character invented by Bacon. They had to fake his death to avoid trial. Then the shakespeare team invented the guy from Stratford. All devised by Baron Verulam 😄
@@ExxylcrothEagle Here's a deeper dive into Francis Bacon's relationship to the First Folio.sirbacon.org/downloads/The_1623_Shakespeare_First_Folio_A_Bacon.pdf
Once Stratfordian, now confirmed Oxfordian. Moderns forget that Tudor England was a highly censured policed state. DeVere’s class bought him license that a glover could not touch.
It is interesting how, in these discussion, we have real people sharing ideas and pseudonyms haughtily throwing insults yet sharing none of their purported knowledge.
Glad you asked, because I'm sure you really want to know. In about 1618, a poet named John Weever visited Stratford-upon-Avon and copied down the inscription of Shakespeare's funerary monument. Next to the entry in his notes, he wrote "Willm. Shakspeare the famous poet". Two decades earlier, when both were living in London, Weever published an epigram to "Honie-tong'd Shakespeare", so he knew who the poet was, and identified him as the man from Stratford only a couple of years after his death. That's only one. I can present at least a dozen more contemporaries who identified Shakespeare as the Stratford man. Let me know if you are interested.
@@jamesbassett1484 And my name is Jeffrey Meade. I'm a retired police officer from California. Coriolanus is one of my favorite plays, hence the username. There's no attempt to hide my identity.
Yes, your description almost sounds like the old masters of painting whose apprentices would sometimes do parts of the work which the master was known for.
I personally would really like to know if Elizabeth had a son or offspring and if so who is the father or fathers..ie some of the sonnents seem to be written to her.
The work is there and it's brilliant uplifting and educational = whether created under pseudonom or even a group of writers collectively called Shakespeare = It was the utube of the day
Regret, Oxfraudians seek fame via controversy. The aim is not about authorship of a body of work 400 years ago but rather self promotion and self importance in today's world. However, RIP Waugh with respect.
brilliant ... yet another way to attack this issue is to delve into why acting or theater was not something a noble duke could be directly associated with, actors are lying and skilled at lying after all and its partly that but also bc there was sexual ton to things and christianity was very serious in many ways during that time
John Heminges, Henry Condell, and Richard Burbage, three actors of The Lord Chamberlain's Men, a famous acting company that included William Shakespeare, were given money by William Shakespeare of Stratford in his Last Will and Testament in 1616. Two of these actors, John Heminges and Henry Condell, were responsible for having 36 of Shakespeare's plays published in the First Folio in 1623. Ben Jonson's eulogy in the First Folio clearly praises Shakespeare as a great writer and refers to him as the “Sweet Swan of Avon.” This obviously designates Shakespeare as from Stratford upon Avon. Furthermore, Jonson states that "thy writings to be such, /As neither Man, nor Muse, can praise too much." Heminges and Condell also praise Shakespeare as a writer, stating that "he thought, he uttered with that easinesse, that wee have scarse received from him a blot in his papers. But it is not our province, who onely gather his works, and give them you, to praise him." These are "his works" and "his papers" that they are publishing. He is clearly presented as the writer of these works in the First Folio. The Last Will and Testament of William Shakespeare of Stratford clearly connects him with the 1623 First Folio through Heminges and Condell and it is clear that Shakespeare is presented as the author of the plays.
This is interesting, if it can be verified--a wax seal ring with Edward de Vere's likeness(?), portrayed as a king: th-cam.com/video/u1rNXZimbDs/w-d-xo.html
Well so it comes down to copyright and trademarks...lol selling your soul to be able to live and eat..of course it does..go figure..greed..how brittish
You’re correct about understanding the period. Those who think an illiterate commoner wrote the plays are saying, in my opinion, that everyone received the same education at that time. They must believe that public libraries existed in Elizabethan England also or that he used Elizabethan Google. It flies in the face of common sense.
this guy seems to know the mind of ben jonson and why would i ever question any of his interpretions [hint : you need to look a little deeper into what im saying ; ) ]
Absolutely breath-taking. This presentation is essential for understanding Oxford's role in promoting writers in the 1580s.
I have only just realised that plays and masques were the internet' of thise days.. A much bigger deal than I hitherto thought...
Absolutely brilliant and so very clear. Years ago I used to guide people around Stratford-upon-Avon and saw very clearly the weakness of the view that shakspere could in any way have been the great poet - It is so obvious that he was not. Not least of which is the view almost within living memory, not more than a few generations back, of the goodly people of the town not wanting to have anything to do with a man whose legacy locally they would rather be disassociated with.
Having started to read into the alternative views and then much later finding Alexander’s videos here, it’s exciting to learn about this channel, which I will be studying with huge interest. As you said, the fact of this band of “euphuists” at table in a great but short-lived college is just the tip of the iceberg.
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I don't need to go into all the reasons, there are numerous books, videos here, conferences etc. that explain why many people have taken this view, which is obvious when you do some thinking rather than jumping to ad hominem remarks. The fact that Will Shaksper was unable to sign his own name is high on the list, along with a house being rebuilt in Victorian times to promote a myth, and having nothing whatever that belonged to the glove-maker's son in it (especially books, that Will never possessed in his entire life). For info, I was not a "tour guide" but enjoyed showing many visitors around the town; I lived nearby, interestingly enough in Rowington, where John and also Will Shaksper lived.
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I don't recognise your caricature of Stratford. I worked there for years, and locals turn out in droves when there's some special occasion connected with the work of the talented local boy. Who trained you? You must have been a very inattentive trainee. If you were taking people around the town, you were talking to tourists, you nerk.
@@peterzoeftig2513 Since he couldn't sign his own name, it seems odd that we have six signatures written in good secretary hand, complete with standard abbreviations. So glad you're not working there now. You were clearly an awful tourist guide. And yes, it WAS rebuilt in Victorian times, because by that time it had been through several incarnations, including ale-house and butcher's shop. It's actually not bad as Victorian restorations go, and the decoration is meticulously copied from patterns and styles of the time, complete with accurate period furniture, and guides who (unlike your good self) know what they are talking about. There's pretty good evidence that this WAS the original rather swish (for the time) house where the talented boy Shakespeare lived. Also the Grammar school he attended is still extant, Holy Trinity Church is beautiful, and the Royal Shakespeare Theatre is a thriving cultural centre which produces world-class productions, hosting the greatest actors of their generation. I've seen Alan Rickman, David Tenant, Patrick Stuart, Janet Suzman, Mira Sayal, Sylvester McCoy, Jane Lapotaire ...
Maybe you'd have enjoyed your job more if you'd taken more interest.
For me, stunning revelation; and I will be using this information. Mr Waugh; you will be be cited fro credit.
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Absolutely fascinating, wonderful stuff, many thanks.
Cannot wait for chapter two = Fascinating
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Re closing comment on Marlowe and the Ed II play, consider Edward de Vere was Edward II’s six great grand-nephew, via the Courtenays- if not even more closely related illegitimately. Similarly, de Vere’s mother’s paternal grandfather was Sir John Donne (AKA John ap Gruffyd Dwnn in Welsh patronymic syntax), whose father Griffith is thought to have fought at Agincourt… with Henry, and THE band of brothers. Many of de Vere’s lineal ancestors feature prominently in the bard’s canon. Where is the best list of them?
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While I love your videos and think that your theories are wonderful I have to disagree about devere being called Apollo more than anyone else I think that Sir Francis Bacon was called Apollo by many many of his peers is this not true?
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So Shake-Spear (Oxford) was writing for Britain.
But Shake-Spear was Athena, and Athena was Britannia,
…she (Athena) is displayed as Britannia on many of our coins.
….so Shake-Spear was a fitting name for the Poet Laureate.
R
The Elizabethans were educated, and would have recognised this obvious reference to the Homeric hymn to Athena, just like educated people today.
@@BerkshireBabe I love this idea. Waugh is always saying that stuff.
'Elizabethan poets were very smart and very clever. '
ALL OF THEM????
There were NO stupid poets? Nonsense.
But you take it even further. ALL Elizabethans were educated.
Well, that's great news. Maybe we need to close down most of our schools apart from a few grammar schools, and rely on fee-paying schools and personal tutors for the rich.
Maybe THEN we can catch up with the Elizabethans.
This is all such hogwash - an intoxicating cocktail of wishful thinking and snobbery, delivering the standard kick that conspiracy theorists get from thinking they're in on some dark secret.
Contrary to popular opinion, there is abundant evidence that the man from Stratford became an actor in London, then wrote some poems and plays. Meanwhile there is literally NO documentary evidence that links the Earl of Oxford with any of the work.
And the Earth is a globe. And NASA landed people on the moon. And there is no Q.
Ha ha! Very funny.
Just for anybody who is reading this exchange and doesn't know, there is nothing contentious about saying that the Renaissance was a time of great scholarship when the ancient Greek texts were rediscovered and translated into Latin, a language which ALL educated people could read. Gradually the texts were translated into the vernacular languages of Europe. Whether thoutube likes it or not, almost all of the poets mentioned in this video were educated at Oxford or Cambridge and were deeply immeresed in the classics. In fact, George Chapman, a poet in De Vere's circle did the first translation of the Homeric Hymns into English.
Here's the quote from a later translation about how Athena sprang out of the head of Zeus fully armed, shaking her spear: "Wise Zeus himself bare her from his awful head, arrayed in warlike arms of flashing gold, and awe seized all the gods as they gazed. But Athena sprang quickly from the immortal head and stood before Zeus who holds the aegis, shaking a sharp spear".
@@BerkshireBabe Funny you choose the LATER translation. Because Chapman's Homer (the first to be translated to English from the original Greek) puts it like this:
"Her birth gave way to, that abroad she flew,
And stood, in gold arm’d, in her Father’s view,
Shaking her sharp lance."
Lance, not spear. It's not a fine distinction. A lance is a pole weapon, too big to throw. And if that's the way the Greek word was translated AT THE TIME, then that's the way classicists AT THAT TIME would have seen it.
The works were never published under the name of 'Shakelance'.
@@BerkshireBabe It's hardly surprising that most of the poets had been to Oxford or Cambridge. But I'm not sure they learned things that would have helped them to be poets or playwrights. Interestingly, Ben Jonson had NOT. Nor had many other playwrights, and equally interestingly, there's a bit of dialogue in the Parnassus plays which yokes Jonson and Shakespeare together as successful writers who hadn't been to university. Marlowe HAD been to University in theory, but spent so much time spying for the government that the University had to be coerced into awarding him a degree.
But the big problem for people who want Oxford to be the writer is that William Shakespeare of Stratford was. Similarly, if only George Lucas hadn't written 'Star Wars' it could have been me. Problem is, George beat me to it. How do we KNOW that the boy from Stratford wrote the work? Well, it's like this:
1 In the case of Bellot v Mountjoy, which was heard in a London courtroom, WS was recorded as 'William Shakespeare (that spelling) Stratford upon Avon in the county of Warwick'.
You can see the original here: shakespearedocumented.folger.edu/resource/document/bellott-v-mountjoy-first-set-depositions-bellotts-behalf-including-shakespeares.
2 So Shakespeare OF STRATFORD was in London. But was he the actor? Well, William's father John had attained the rank of gentleman. Thus Shakespeare is listed by the college of arms. As it happens, they LISTED Shakespeare of Stratford as 'Shakespeare the Player'.
You can find the evidence here:
shakespearedocumented.folger.edu/repository/college-arms
3 William Shakespeare is also listed in his collected works by Ben Jonson as one of the 'principal tragedians'.
You'll find the original documents here:
shakespearedocumented.folger.edu/resource/document/works-benjamin-jonson-shakespeare-included-two-cast-lists
We also have evidence of a payment made for a court performance, and Shakespeare's name being listed on the Letters Patent given to the King's Men company.
Exchequer, Pipe Office, Declared Accounts: Listing Shakespeare as a leading player of the Lord Chamberlain’s company | Shakespeare Documented (folger.edu)
Exchequer, Pipe Office, Declared Accounts: Listing Shakespeare as a leading player of the Lord Chamberlain’s company | Shakespeare Documented (folger.edu)
Now let's look at the evidence that this actor was also the writer.
1Francis Meres listed him in 1598 as writer. Oddly enough, he also mentions the Earl of Oxford. he clearly sees them as two different people:
shakespearedocumented.folger.edu/resource/document/palladis-tamia-one-earliest-printed-assessments-shakespeares-works-and-first
2Shakespeare's name appears on a list of plays performed at court during the winter of 1604-5. It ascribes SEVEN canonical plays to him:
shakespearedocumented.folger.edu/resource/document/account-edmund-tylney-master-revels-listing-plays-performed-year-1604-5
3 Here is a list of the people who made it quite clear that they thought William Shakespeare was the writer of the plays and poems:
Ben Jonson (both in his elegy and in his prose memoir)
John Webster (a writer who acknowledged Shakespeare's influence on him).
Francis Beaumont - another playwright, who wrote:
"Here I would let slip (If I had any in me) scholarship, And from all learning keep these lines as clear As Shakespeare's best are, which our heirs shall hear Preachers apt to their auditors to show How far sometimes a mortal man may go By the dim light of Nature."
William Davenant wrote an elegy in which he evoked Stratford upon Avon in connection with the writer.
John Davis of Hereford wrote an epigram in which he made it clear that Shakespeare was both writer and actor.
This is just a sample. Many of the elegies also make it abundantly clear that they are talking about Shakespeare AS WRITER.
The evidence is so abundant, it's EMBARRASSING.
Whereas the evidence for Oxford is ... er .... Not sure. Something to do with pirates?
Edward Devere - The great elephant in the room that Stratfordians seemingly never see. At the highest levels they must know surely! That cannot be fools. At that level are they gatekeepers? Are they paid to keep this from the world? If so, by whom? Who is so powerful that they would want this kept secret?
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The anti-Shakespearean faction certainly spend considerable time and effort - and obtain great satisfaction - from trying to prove Shakespeare was not written by Shakespeare.
William Shakespeare was born in the small town of Stratford, Warwickshire, and his childhood was spent in a crowded household. In his dramas there are images of stopped ovens and smoking lamps, of washing and scouring, dusting and sweeping. And to boiling and mincing, stewing and frying, badly prepared cakes and un-sieved flour, along with other household work like knitting and needlework. Also carpentry, hooping and joinery, which was carried out in the back yard of the house. No other Elizabethan dramatist employs so many domestic allusions.
Being a farmer’s son, he knew of grafting and pruning, digging and dunging. In his works he alludes to more than one hundred different plants. He uses local Warwickshire names for the flowers of the meadow, such as Ophelia’s crow-flowers and Lear’s cuckoo-flowers, also love-in-idleness for the pansy, bilberry for the whortleberry, honey-stalks for stalks of clover and golden lad for the dandelion.
Shakespeare knew the rich folklore of his native Warwickshire from childhood. He learned of the witches who create storms and the Welsh fairies that hide in foxgloves. He knew of the toad with the medicinal jewel in its head and of the man in the moon who carried a bundle of thorns. In the Forest of Arden there were ghosts & goblins and the plots of these fairy stories can be glimpsed in his adult dramas. Pericles was one of the old tales told round the hearth and ballads and folk tales charge the plot of The Taming of the Shrew. Rural traditions were deeply embedded in his mind and he understood the country very well, with what Edgar in King Lear calls its ‘low fermes…poor pelting villages, sheep coates and milles’. He saw the sheep-shearing feasts at Snitterfield and resurrected one in The Winter’s Tale. The May-games of his youth return in A Midsummer Night’s Dream and stray details of his rural youth emerge in a hundred different contexts. Real places and people are enlisted in his dramas. The names of two business associates of his father, George Vizer of Woodmancote and Clement Perkes of Stinchcombe Hill, reappear in Henry IV, Part Two.
The words and phrases of Shakespeare’s childhood are recalled in his writing. He uses ‘fap’ to mean drunk, ‘third-borough’ for constable, ‘aroynt’ for leave, and many others besides. The language spoken by Shakespeare in his native Warwickshire was nearer to Saxon than to Norman French, seemingly little affected by the foreign culture of the conquerors. Extra consonants were added to lend emphasis to certain words, vowels were lengthened too, making it sounded thicker and more resonant than the language of London. This was how Shakespeare spoke as a child and Stratford idioms were used in his writing, although the fussiness of successive printers and editors has curbed and flattened his native sonority.
It seems, to say the least, something of a puzzle - more realistically an impossibility - that Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford, could become familiar with all the above, which would be a closed book to somebody not native to Warwickshire. Let alone somebody in his position with a retinue of servants to meet his every need, relieving him of any thoughts (or knowledge) of mere everyday matters. It would, however, be second-nature to a farmer’s son raised in a rural environment.
How could this aristocrat have become familiar with common dialect words from a different part of the country - and a very different strata of society - then substitute them in place of his own more refined language?
More to the point, why would he want to do that anyway?
Exvellent. Thank you
Wonderful. Thank you. Regretfully, the very controversy attracts circus performers like Waugh ..... may he RIP
Most excellently put sir !! The Oxford nonsense is exposed even more by your contribution - please continue !!
The entire play-writer scene met under Realigh on Friday nights while Shakespeare never appeared nor was he physically met in London although he was well known in Stratford off-season time.
This is because the Derby’s (Stanleys) kept the only troop of actors whom Shakespeare worked
for, but “William Stanley “ always presented the in-town presence of the author.
in-town Shakespeare never existed and was simplify a name assigned to the group whom formed around Edward DeVer until DeVer died in 1604.
The physical imposter in all of the was William Kyes, the son of Thomas Kyes and Mary Grey,, who was, therefor, a heir to the English crown whom assumed the identity of William Stanley in the late 1680s.
This seems on absurd contention we’re not for the fact that William Stanley has to Perdue three years litigation to be recognized as Willam Stanley.
What I would argue that William Kyes brought up in Stratford as William Shakespeare While William Stanley was making a positive mess up his life in London with actions that bordered on the psychotic.
The simple answer was to let the cousins Kyes and Stanley loose in Europe in the Europe and the Middle Seven years on a series of insane adventures that the real Stanley did not service leaving Kyes to assert himself as the cousin whom was only two older than himself.
Through various machinations, Kyes was financially accepted into Derby family to play a secondary role to DeVer and as the go between with the, now, nonexistent Shakespeare.
I've a;ways thought "Shakespeare" was an ever-changing group of writers and actors headed by someone like de Vere (and then someone else after he died). I'd be curious to find out who was behind grafting the pen-name personality of William Shakespeare onto the glover's son William Shakspere. It is clear under the legal concept of qui bono that Stratford-upon-Avon misappropriated the playwright as their native son and have profited greatly in the past 400 years. I have no doubt if there had been an alternate William Shaksber or William Shaxpere in some other place, like Somerset or Yorkshire, we would have seen a battle to claim the rights to the alleged playwright.
It wasn't a pen name. It's an actual name. It appears in the birth and death records of holy trinity. And in the case of Bellot v Mountjoy, he appeared as a witness. The clerk recorded his name as 'William Shakespeare of Stratford upon Avon in the county of Warwick'.
So the Shakespeare of London was also the Shakespeare of Stratford. He is listed as an actor in the plays of Ben Jonson, and received payments for court performances for Queen Elizabeth. As a member of the King's Men, he was issued with cloth to make doublet and hose for the coronation of King James.
He is also mentioned on MANY documents in connection with the King's Men theatre company, including the official letters patent.
He received a bequest from actor Augustine Philips, and made bequests to Burbage, Heminges and Condel.
Other playwrights identified him as author, including Ben Jonson, Francis Beaumont and John Webster.
He is ASTONISHINGLY well documented for a man of his time. You are just wrong. This is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of cold hard documentary fact. Therefore be out of hope, out of question. The boy from Stratford wrote the plays.
Is there a single video which lay's out the case for de Vere being Shakespeare?
If you checkout Alexander Waugh's channel: th-cam.com/channels/HN7SCKlsa9lPYJmqqQ2uIg.html You'll find he comes at the authorship question from all the angles. The Shakespeare Oxford Fellowship is also a good port of call. Successful browsing and stay safe in these difficult times.
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@@Stantheman848 bless you!
There are two documentaries. One is called _Last Will. & Testament_ 2012 and the other is much more recent and called _Nothing Is Truer Than Truth_ and can be seen online in pay-per-view or streaming for free on some platforms. There is also the film "Anonymous" which takes liberties to postulate on possible scenario, and it's entertaining enough, even if it's not the most memorable film.
No one will ever know and that is the best way
Why not try video: Shakespeare's Page 1?
I wonder if Marlowe was a proto-Shakespeare who was cut loose, especially after the Martin Marprelate episodes. It almost seems like all these writers were part of a brotherhood, almost like the Brotherhood of the Rose Cross.
Marlowe was a character invented by Bacon. They had to fake his death to avoid trial. Then the shakespeare team invented the guy from Stratford. All devised by Baron Verulam 😄
Y'know Masonic Rosicrucians gonna do stuff like that.
@@ExxylcrothEagle Here's a deeper dive into Francis Bacon's relationship to the First Folio.sirbacon.org/downloads/The_1623_Shakespeare_First_Folio_A_Bacon.pdf
Once Stratfordian, now confirmed Oxfordian. Moderns forget that Tudor England was a highly censured policed state. DeVere’s class bought him license that a glover could not touch.
It is interesting how, in these discussion, we have real people sharing ideas and pseudonyms haughtily throwing insults yet sharing none of their purported knowledge.
Glad you asked, because I'm sure you really want to know.
In about 1618, a poet named John Weever visited Stratford-upon-Avon and copied down the inscription of Shakespeare's funerary monument. Next to the entry in his notes, he wrote "Willm. Shakspeare the famous poet". Two decades earlier, when both were living in London, Weever published an epigram to "Honie-tong'd Shakespeare", so he knew who the poet was, and identified him as the man from Stratford only a couple of years after his death.
That's only one. I can present at least a dozen more contemporaries who identified Shakespeare as the Stratford man. Let me know if you are interested.
@@Jeffhowardmeade I'm interested, along with sources.
@@jamesbassett1484 And my name is Jeffrey Meade. I'm a retired police officer from California. Coriolanus is one of my favorite plays, hence the username. There's no attempt to hide my identity.
@@jamesbassett1484 Fourth try. Look for John Weever and antiquarian and the document will come up.
@@jamesbassett1484 It's hosted by the Folger Shakespeare Library.
Yes, your description almost sounds like the old masters of painting whose apprentices would sometimes do parts of the work which the master was known for.
I personally would really like to know if Elizabeth had a son or offspring and if so who is the father or fathers..ie some of the sonnents seem to be written to her.
Questioning the authorship of Shakespeare is much like questioning the authorship of the Bible. It shakes the true believer to the core.
Unless they have the facts at hand, and then they just laugh at you.
The work is there and it's brilliant uplifting and educational = whether created under pseudonom or even a group of writers collectively called Shakespeare = It was the utube of the day
@@valansley Or even if it was created by the guy everyone said it was.
Regret, Oxfraudians seek fame via controversy. The aim is not about authorship of a body of work 400 years ago but rather self promotion and self importance in today's world. However, RIP Waugh with respect.
brilliant ... yet another way to attack this issue is to delve into why acting or theater was not something a noble duke could be directly associated with, actors are lying and skilled at lying after all and its partly that but also bc there was sexual ton to things and christianity was very serious in many ways during that time
John Heminges, Henry Condell, and Richard Burbage, three actors of The Lord Chamberlain's Men, a famous acting company that included William Shakespeare, were given money by William Shakespeare of Stratford in his Last Will and Testament in 1616. Two of these actors, John Heminges and Henry Condell, were responsible for having 36 of Shakespeare's plays published in the First Folio in 1623. Ben Jonson's eulogy in the First Folio clearly praises Shakespeare as a great writer and refers to him as the “Sweet Swan of Avon.” This obviously designates Shakespeare as from Stratford upon Avon. Furthermore, Jonson states that "thy writings to be such, /As neither Man, nor Muse, can praise too much." Heminges and Condell also praise Shakespeare as a writer, stating that "he thought, he uttered with that easinesse, that wee have scarse received from him a blot in his papers. But it is not our province, who onely gather his works, and give them you, to praise him." These are "his works" and "his papers" that they are publishing. He is clearly presented as the writer of these works in the First Folio. The Last Will and Testament of William Shakespeare of Stratford clearly connects him with the 1623 First Folio through Heminges and Condell and it is clear that Shakespeare is presented as the author of the plays.
Very well said.
But Bacon had NOTHING to do with any of this? 🤣
Only if Shakespeare ate it for breakfast.
This is interesting, if it can be verified--a wax seal ring with Edward de Vere's likeness(?), portrayed as a king: th-cam.com/video/u1rNXZimbDs/w-d-xo.html
Sorry, but that's an ancient emperor, most likely Hadrian.
@@Jeffhowardmeade If you say so.
@@theamazingmystico1243 You could just look up a picture of Hadrian, or make note of the ancient radiate crown the figure on the ring is wearing.
@@Jeffhowardmeade Okay.
@@theamazingmystico1243 You're welcome.
''...the vulgar sort...'' = The actual population...
Well so it comes down to copyright and trademarks...lol selling your soul to be able to live and eat..of course it does..go figure..greed..how brittish
The impression I get is it's beyond irrefutable and foolish to think anyone other than de Vere was Shakespeare if you know anything about the period.
You’re correct about understanding the period. Those who think an illiterate commoner wrote the plays are saying, in my opinion, that everyone received the same education at that time. They must believe that public libraries existed in Elizabethan England also or that he used Elizabethan Google. It flies in the face of common sense.
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this guy seems to know the mind of ben jonson and why would i ever question any of his interpretions [hint : you need to look a little deeper into what im saying ; ) ]
de vere highly educated? are you sure about that? please check for yourselves, and youll realise not so educated as you are led to believe here
Nonsense
That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Your comment is therefore dismissed