Dealer by me let me take 116 out by myself. My wife was waiting for me to get back. First thing she told me was “don’t even think about it”. I must of gave it away with that happy as kid in a candy store grin.
I like it good choice im thinking about doing the big bore kit for the scout bobber from revolution performance 1300cc (79") Big Bore Service Kit comes with: Overbore cylinder service and powder coating to orginal finish Forged 10.9:1 compression ratio flat-top pistons Cometic head and base gasket kit Scout OEM: 69 cu in (1,130 cc) 99 mm × 73.6 mm (3.90” × 2.90”) Scout Sixty: 60 cu in (980 cc) 93 mm × 73.6 mm (3.66” × 2.90”) Revolution Performance Big Bore Kit: 79 cu in (1294cc) 106 mm x 73.6 mm (4.17” x 2.90”)
Not sure i would spend the money on an after market 116 kit but glad you like it. I am really thinking hard about the Indan Challenger that goes out on the 29th but considering i have 8 bikes now, if i come home with another i may be sleeping with my bikes.
Is this Almaden Valley Calero area? Seems like it, I live right by there. Awesome ride video, I'm getting me a 116 springfield Dark horse, rode the rental one from Spritin San jose, this engine pulls like a sport bike.
Meatball Rebel Yes I heard that it really pairs nice with the 116 kit to have the 585 cams. I noticed that Lloyds has a 121 bore kit they offer and they use your stock 111 heads. But of course they want you to upgrade some other parts, but it sounds like something to check on . There’s no reviews or videos on this kit that anybody’s have done so far. So if you hear anything on the 121 kit , please shed some light. Thank you, and ride safe.
@@MeatballRebel ---> The difference in throttle response with the 585 cams and dyno tuned fuel controller vs the stage one tune, cams supplied in the 116-inch kit is REALLY NOTICEABLE difference !!
@@MeatballRebel If you have FaceBook check out this dyno chart contrast of the stage one mufflers, stage one tune, stage one air filter. 81.17 hp and 107.17 tq. The same engine , but with the cats removed from the head pipes and a dyno tuned Power Vision. 85.98 for hp and 113.58 for tq. facebook.com/TheRunwayPerformancePolarisIndian/photos/pcb.642402506229496/642402419562838/?type=3&theater This is from Runway Performance Indian Face Book page. We were blown away at how bad the tune was in this 116" Roadmaster when it came in! The customer had tried the Indian tune, and several variations of on-line generic tunes, some with customized support, but still the bike ran poorly. I couldn't even make a full pre-run, the bike was so lean! So getting MASSIVE gains in power and runability with our specialized Power Vision (CX) tuning process was just that much easier! There was no parts swapping here, just a better tune to give this bike 5 more hp throughout the range, and at least 10 more torque......everywhere! It's a totally different bike! 98.19 for HP and 116.16 for TQ. vs 105 82 for HP and 128.39 for TQ facebook.com/TheRunwayPerformancePolarisIndian/photos/a.289997458136671/626261487843598/?type=3&theater 😁
Meatball thanks for the video! I am a little late on the bandwagon here lol. Debating on the Stage 2 or 116 on my 14 Chieftain with 67k on it. Only thing that worries me is the throttle sensitivity at low speeds. Is it touchy or manageable? Basically is it worth spending an extra 2k on the 116 over the Stage 2?
The 116 was a big boost in power compared to stage 1. The throttle has been fine for me. I would look at the 116 BBK as basically a rebuild with more power. I am happy with mine 👍😎
@@MeatballRebel that is a fair assessment. That is the route I will probably take as it is pretty much a full rebuild. Just have to save up for it now lol. Thanks again for the video and advice.
Unfortunately you can not get the 116 in the UK. I will have to help Dazzle smuggle his bike back to the UK after he gets the 116 big bore kit installed here in the states.
Hmm, how does this kit (part differ) (if any) from the new factory chieftain 116 engine.. I' assuming not difference except the cam(?) When I hear a Stroker Kit, I think it implies longer rods are part of the kit.
It lists for $2,799USD and labor can be from $1,100-1,500 from what I have found when researching (mine was$1,340). For 2020 looks like the 116 kit to upgrade a 111 now lists for $2,999USD. I found the dealers in my area would not discount the kit and labor costs varied. Sure is fun twisting that grip tho!
The kit is for a thunder stroke engine in the Chieftain a Dm the Challenger has a water cooled PowerPlus engine. Not sure who can provide an aftermarket tune yet on a challenger. Check @ridingfish and @ beardedbobber channels, they may have info on challenger mods.
@@MeatballRebel yes I got my current upgrade from Ridinfgish. I'm just the lonely Indian owner in a group of HD guys. One has a hopped up 131. So I'm after bragging rights.
I have only ridden Bearded Bobbers Challenger once which is one of my videos and not a review. The Challenger is a lot smoother, a bit faster, and a little less grunt (torque feel). The way the power comes on with the Challenger is really fun.
How is the low end torque? I like the top end but really would miss the torque of the 111. I think if the big bore was more in the HD SE120R , I would be more inclined. th-cam.com/video/BfcbVQkdONM/w-d-xo.html
Low end torque improved from the 111 and top end also. I am running a slightly modified Indian 116 tune that my buddy did and runs a bit better than stock. Totally happy with the 116 kit!
No V-Twin engine bike will be faster than any straight 6 or inline 4 engine. They are made for torque only which is great for 2 up riding and high carrying capacity.
Probably true for most crusiers and touring bikes especially air cooled. Some older v-twin sport bikes like my 2000 Aprilia RSV Mille and Ducatis were in the same power range years ago but, they have switched to V4 engines to keep up now.
@@MeatballRebelNothing wrong with a V-Twin engine at all. My Yamaha Eluder is perfect for crossing state lines. It's just a waste for people to pour money into a bike that's really not made for carving the race track. Money should be spent on making that ride more comfortable and safe.
Meatball Rebel you can make it faster than stock yes. But is the little gain you get worth the cost? I’ve seen guys spend $10k on Harley stage 4 kits, and still get walked by a stock Honda Goldwing.
Personally, I don't see that much benefit to these kit upgrades, all they do is keep your bike on a lift and off the road whether a Harley or an Indian. If you want a bigger motor buy it like that and upgrade your lights, handlebars, and luggage carry capacity. If I want more power I just twist the throttle.
More power is fun and Indian did not start making 116s from the factory till 2020 models. Bike was only down for the upgrade, no issues besides getting a good tune since. I just upgraded everthing you listed also. To each their own is the way I look at bikes.
You would be surprised how fast my 19 year old Aprilia RSV Mille gets to 100 mph. You are comparing a 456lb apple to a 853lb orange so I would except that the lighter bike would be faster.
jim wortham well. That’s what makes the world go round. He took a used bike. Modified it to make it his own. I don’t see anything wrong with that. To each their own. I still love watching
These upgrades videos are so ridiculous. “Look at me I spent 10 grand and my motorcycle gets up to the speed limit a half a second faster than yours, and mine is a lot louder than yours”. GMAFB.
Dealer by me let me take 116 out by myself. My wife was waiting for me to get back. First thing she told me was “don’t even think about it”. I must of gave it away with that happy as kid in a candy store grin.
I know that candy store grin a lot since the upgrade 😃
I just read about that wives feel happy when their husbands are not.
Love those Indian motorcycles!
They just keep getting better and better!
Couldn't agree more! 🤘
Dope set up!!! and lots of info for those looking for the 116 upgrade.
Thanks! I was hoping to provide a little different angle at the 116 Stage 3 kit.
Very nice. Im saving up to get the 116 kit nxt yr. Whats up Brandon
Meatball are you going to have dynoed? What brand of bars did you put on your bike? Im looking at the trask bars
@@mattmason7460 Chilling at work 😂😂
Thinking of having it tuned on a Dyno, maybe after SCMM when the IMW crew goes to Vegas. They are Trask Bro bars with +4' rise, they are nice bars!
Great Vid man! She sounds HEALTHY!
Thanks! Yup, enjoying the new roar!
The one thing I wish I had when I took out the chieftain 116... more road lol
Sounds great and the power looks like a blast.
Where we're going we don't need roads! 😂
It is putting a big smile on my face!
wow, thats definitely got a beautiful sound
Kevin Hobson You will year in person soon when you guys get to California 😎
ughhhhhh I love it so much. God, I want a 116 bike.
If you save, it will happen 👍
Finally someone that rides like me lol. Thanks for twisting that throttle to show us what its got!!
So you like to have fun riding also! I have a hard time not cracking that throttle 😆
review done right! :) Thanks
Georgie O. Thanks 😁
Yes finally . All we need now is some smack down.
Finally a proper test..
Braaaappppppp!!!!!!!
That was my goal but, I think I could go a little faster 🤔
I like it good choice im thinking about doing the big bore kit for the scout bobber
from revolution performance
1300cc (79") Big Bore Service Kit comes with:
Overbore cylinder service and powder coating to orginal finish
Forged 10.9:1 compression ratio flat-top pistons
Cometic head and base gasket kit
Scout OEM: 69 cu in (1,130 cc) 99 mm × 73.6 mm (3.90” × 2.90”)
Scout Sixty: 60 cu in (980 cc) 93 mm × 73.6 mm (3.66” × 2.90”)
Revolution Performance Big Bore Kit: 79 cu in (1294cc) 106 mm x 73.6 mm (4.17” x 2.90”)
I think Jay Fast was looking at that. It would make Scout quick!
@@MeatballRebel I agree i just dont have the funds or it would be done already lol
Keep saving, make it happen 👍
Meatball Rebel maybe...
The scout 69 is a savage stock 😆
Not sure i would spend the money on an after market 116 kit but glad you like it. I am really thinking hard about the Indan Challenger that goes out on the 29th but considering i have 8 bikes now, if i come home with another i may be sleeping with my bikes.
I admit the price was a bit steep. Think the Challenger will be a blast to ride 🤔
Lovin the hair haha. Dope setup
Haha! Thanks buddy!
Love it!
kencolle1 So do I 😜
Damn !!! sounds and runs sweeeeeeeet !!!!
Thanks! The added power makes it really fun to ride!
Is this Almaden Valley Calero area? Seems like it, I live right by there. Awesome ride video, I'm getting me a 116 springfield Dark horse, rode the rental one from Spritin San jose, this engine pulls like a sport bike.
Yes it is. I bought both of my Indians from Spirit and they installed my 116 big bore kit 👍
If you wanted to do the 585 cams first just to see if you would be happy, would they be compatible to stay in for the 116 kit ?
You could do the 585 cams first and then the 116 kit with the 585 cams with a proper tune or just use the kits cam.
Meatball Rebel Yes I heard that it really pairs nice with the 116 kit to have the 585 cams. I noticed that Lloyds has a 121 bore kit they offer and they use your stock 111 heads. But of course they want you to upgrade some other parts, but it sounds like something to check on . There’s no reviews or videos on this kit that anybody’s have done so far. So if you hear anything on the 121 kit , please shed some light. Thank you, and ride safe.
The Lloyd's 585 cams are a much better choice for the 116 inch kit.
They do produce more power but, I felt not enough to add to the kit at this time. Maybe in the future you never know…..
@@MeatballRebel ---> The difference in throttle response with the 585 cams and dyno tuned fuel controller vs the stage one tune, cams supplied in the 116-inch kit is REALLY NOTICEABLE difference !!
It's no slouch now so I could only imagine.
@@MeatballRebel If you have FaceBook check out this dyno chart contrast of the stage one mufflers, stage one tune, stage one air filter. 81.17 hp and 107.17 tq. The same engine , but with the cats removed from the head pipes and a dyno tuned Power Vision. 85.98 for hp and 113.58 for tq. facebook.com/TheRunwayPerformancePolarisIndian/photos/pcb.642402506229496/642402419562838/?type=3&theater
This is from Runway Performance Indian Face Book page. We were blown away at how bad the tune was in this 116" Roadmaster when it came in! The customer had tried the Indian tune, and several variations of on-line generic tunes, some with customized support, but still the bike ran poorly. I couldn't even make a full pre-run, the bike was so lean! So getting MASSIVE gains in power and runability with our specialized Power Vision (CX) tuning process was just that much easier! There was no parts swapping here, just a better tune to give this bike 5 more hp throughout the range, and at least 10 more torque......everywhere! It's a totally different bike! 98.19 for HP and 116.16 for TQ. vs 105 82 for HP and 128.39 for TQ facebook.com/TheRunwayPerformancePolarisIndian/photos/a.289997458136671/626261487843598/?type=3&theater 😁
Meatball thanks for the video! I am a little late on the bandwagon here lol. Debating on the Stage 2 or 116 on my 14 Chieftain with 67k on it. Only thing that worries me is the throttle sensitivity at low speeds. Is it touchy or manageable? Basically is it worth spending an extra 2k on the 116 over the Stage 2?
The 116 was a big boost in power compared to stage 1. The throttle has been fine for me. I would look at the 116 BBK as basically a rebuild with more power. I am happy with mine 👍😎
@@MeatballRebel that is a fair assessment. That is the route I will probably take as it is pretty much a full rebuild. Just have to save up for it now lol. Thanks again for the video and advice.
Maybe if I get the chance to bring my bike for a US tour in the next few years I could get the 116 upgrade whilst I'm there! 🤔
Sounds like a plan, they won't even now when you bring t back.
You can't get that in the UK?
Unfortunately you can not get the 116 in the UK. I will have to help Dazzle smuggle his bike back to the UK after he gets the 116 big bore kit installed here in the states.
@@MeatballRebel send him the parts maybe.
Not sure if you can buy it without a dealer install but if you could 😝
Hmm, how does this kit (part differ) (if any) from the new factory chieftain 116 engine.. I' assuming not difference except the cam(?) When I hear a Stroker Kit, I think it implies longer rods are part of the kit.
Only difference I know of is the heads are a better flowing design.
Bike sounds great and runs fast........How much for the upgrade?
cb750k1974 It will cost about $4,000 depending on labor charges. I found labor costs vary by dealer when I was getting quotes.
@@MeatballRebel I found that the kit cost about 2K........lots of work to tear all that down.
It lists for $2,799USD and labor can be from $1,100-1,500 from what I have found when researching (mine was$1,340). For 2020 looks like the 116 kit to upgrade a 111 now lists for $2,999USD. I found the dealers in my area would not discount the kit and labor costs varied. Sure is fun twisting that grip tho!
Hey Meat, are you using stage 1 Indian pipes on your bike?
I am running Bassani True Duals which have shortened baffles for the flamethrower exhaust.
I've deleted flashed and cams. Can I do this kit on my 21 challenger?? Gain much more??
The kit is for a thunder stroke engine in the Chieftain a Dm the Challenger has a water cooled PowerPlus engine. Not sure who can provide an aftermarket tune yet on a challenger. Check @ridingfish and @ beardedbobber channels, they may have info on challenger mods.
@@MeatballRebel yes I got my current upgrade from Ridinfgish. I'm just the lonely Indian owner in a group of HD guys. One has a hopped up 131. So I'm after bragging rights.
Awesome riding roads. Where at?
D R South San Jose, CA. It is nice backroads there 👍
I know the kit is about 2k. But do you mind sharing what the installation cost was?
It was $1,340 which was the fewest hours but highest labor rate.
How many hours of labor were you charged? Do you remember?
Don’t remember the hours but, think it cost $3,500-4,000. Traded the bike in and don’t have the paperwork.
@@MeatballRebel thank you
How is it compared to the challenger as far as speed/power
I have only ridden Bearded Bobbers Challenger once which is one of my videos and not a review. The Challenger is a lot smoother, a bit faster, and a little less grunt (torque feel). The way the power comes on with the Challenger is really fun.
Awesome bike Thanks'
Thank you 🤘
Try the M109R if you want to feel torgue and speed
I will if Brandan Bicasso rides his M109 to Cali for a visit again 🤔
@@MeatballRebel go to the dealership
How is the low end torque? I like the top end but really would miss the torque of the 111. I think if the big bore was more in the HD SE120R , I would be more inclined. th-cam.com/video/BfcbVQkdONM/w-d-xo.html
Low end torque improved from the 111 and top end also. I am running a slightly modified Indian 116 tune that my buddy did and runs a bit better than stock. Totally happy with the 116 kit!
No V-Twin engine bike will be faster than any straight 6 or inline 4 engine. They are made for torque only which is great for 2 up riding and high carrying capacity.
Probably true for most crusiers and touring bikes especially air cooled. Some older v-twin sport bikes like my 2000 Aprilia RSV Mille and Ducatis were in the same power range years ago but, they have switched to V4 engines to keep up now.
@@MeatballRebelNothing wrong with a V-Twin engine at all. My Yamaha Eluder is perfect for crossing state lines. It's just a waste for people to pour money into a bike that's really not made for carving the race track. Money should be spent on making that ride more comfortable and safe.
Who says you can't make it faster, more comfortable, and safe at in one. Your bike, build it they way you want. Thanks for watching!
Meatball Rebel you can make it faster than stock yes. But is the little gain you get worth the cost? I’ve seen guys spend $10k on Harley stage 4 kits, and still get walked by a stock Honda Goldwing.
They're still fun thou!!!
My wife & I love the Stage IV Screaming Eagle upgrade on our HD.
Wish I could spend that amount of money on bikes....
Maybe someday, never know. As long as you are happy riding 👍
@@MeatballRebel
Problem is, I'm not riding.... :(
Well, hope you get on 2 wheels and get a smile on your face someday 👍
Personally, I don't see that much benefit to these kit upgrades, all they do is keep your bike on a lift and off the road whether a Harley or an Indian. If you want a bigger motor buy it like that and upgrade your lights, handlebars, and luggage carry capacity.
If I want more power I just twist the throttle.
More power is fun and Indian did not start making 116s from the factory till 2020 models. Bike was only down for the upgrade, no issues besides getting a good tune since. I just upgraded everthing you listed also. To each their own is the way I look at bikes.
I was surprised to see how slow it gained speed. I can tell you if I laid into my 16 year old V-Strom 1000 that hard I would be at 100 far faster.
You would be surprised how fast my 19 year old Aprilia RSV Mille gets to 100 mph. You are comparing a 456lb apple to a 853lb orange so I would except that the lighter bike would be faster.
yes..they are very fast..
Well , now I have a 111 Chief with 585 cams that has 108hp that is faster 🤘
Said it before mystifies me how some people spend $30,000 on a motorcycle and then five more thousand to make it go lot of good box out there
jim wortham well. That’s what makes the world go round.
He took a used bike. Modified it to make it his own. I don’t see anything wrong with that. To each their own. I still love watching
Nailed it Jay!
@jim worthman It mystifies me how some assume they know all....
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These upgrades videos are so ridiculous. “Look at me I spent 10 grand and my motorcycle gets up to the speed limit a half a second faster than yours, and mine is a lot louder than yours”. GMAFB.
Chance1957 you seem upset? Did he beat you off the line or something?
Jay Fast Your not very bright are you boy?
Chance1957 😘
And yet you are still here to watch these videos. Living in your parent's basement having no friends must suck.
Christopher David Lawson of NEPA hey man. That’s a little off side. I’ll be his friend.