Vintage Titus Watch Restoration, a Beautiful Movement Inside!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- In this one I take this complete non running Vintage Titus watch and attempt to fix it. Well I succeed?? watch to find out!
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hi there michael ,i sended you a mail
Such a charming style of video Mike and fair play to you for winning this fight even though you had to go the full 12 rounds. Keep on tinkering mate. Peace and love brother
Hi Joe. I didn’t know you would watch one of mine and pleased you have and took time to comment. This one was a slog that’s for sure.
Watch fair is on Sunday ! (I know but I always ask)
his is what makes your videos so good. were learning with you. the problems are how we learn !!!!! Thank you for sticking to it !!!!!
Thank you Sonny nice to know keeping it real is appreciated
Mike, your perseverance does you credit and that is why I enjoy so much watching your genuine efforts. This watch may have been a real challenge but watching you we all learnt so much and in the end a beautiful working vintage masterpiece.
Thanks for this comment. Not quite a masterpiece just a very stubborn movement. I swear they design them to be as complicated as possible!
How could anyone not like your videos that is interested in watch repair? All are great and inspiring. Never worry if it’s too long or to short, we are all learning something from you. Great job on the watch!
I appreciate that! I say things during filming as off the cuff remarks. Obviously at the time I dont know how well its been captured.. I like to do all my talking as I am filming unlike most other big watch repair channels who add audio overlay in edit which to me is cheating as they know what is coming up and also can edit bits out to make it look more professional.
What you see is what you get with me. Not everyone likes it given my views compared to the big boys but I am not changing!!
Really beautiful old watch. Love that caseback.
These are great to watch while on my elliptical in the morning! Thanks
THIS is the content I appreciate the most. The music during the hairspring adventure was spot on!
Haha thanks!
I'm watching this video in Sept 2023, hope your better by now mike.this Titus was a bit tricky but as usual you get it done.
Good to have you back... I rather enjoyed the epic journey... Stuck with it to the end...
Thanks for tuning in Michael.
LOVED IT. - I stopped breathing for longer stretches than when having my Triple Bi-Pass back in 1990 🙃 Totally captivating and it really showed me that there is a wide chasm between seeing how to do it & being capable of trying .. Cheers Mike. Brilliant.
Man sorry to hear of the triple bi-pass scary stuff. I just have bloody minded determination not to be beaten by a little machine!
@@MyRetroWatches It was easy Mike .. You just got to lie there eh ..
I always thought hobbies were supposed to be relaxing. Maybe you should try something less stressful like cross continent cycling, mountain climbing or bomb disposal! Way to soldier through! It’s good to see I’m not the only one who struggles with these miniature mechanical wonders.
Some things I do to de-stress from watchmaking include trying to demagnetize tools, sharpening screwdrivers, dragging a magnet across the carpet, picking through floor sweepings, and internet shopping for parts I have lost or accidentally broken.
A grate watch, and good to have you back at your desk, 🤙🏻
Thank you kindly
I'm glad I've been a member of your channel because you keep going and persevering despite how often the watch wants to fight you. This watch in particular seemed to want to fight you no matter what you tried to do! Fair play to you and hope your health continues to get better!
Thanks for your confidence in me! I do like to do things the hard way.
@@MyRetroWatches Sometimes that's the only way to learn and test your skills. If it was easy, everybody would do it!
Fantastic video for a beginner like me, keep it coming.
Simon is a gem, as always!
I appriciate very much, that you show the struggle is sometimes real. Especially for us hobbyists. That date spring, is a spring from hell!! I like those movements. One just need to do a cpl, to learn they are built. Have a 2789 chronometre. Runns sweeet!! 1-2 sec aday, while wearing it for weeks.
I think if the spring had not flown off on disassembly , which was my fault for disengaging it I think, I’d have known the placement for assembly. That said where’s the fun in that😂
@@MyRetroWatches There is a reaon I have got a wide magnetic sweeper. And..kneepads...LOL
I stuck to the end! Nice watch. Love the look of the dial. Keep plugging away! I enjoy watching these. I have 3 watches of my own I'm trying to fix.
Great job !!! Nice to see the wristshot at the end.
Thanks 👍
I stumbled on this by pure accident when I was looking for the oiling chart to this movement. I serviced this movement a few times over the years and my first experience was nothing short of a nightmare especially calendar works! Similar to eta 2452. As one gets familiar with different movements, they all become service friendly. This is not an easy movement for a hobbyist or even a new professional. Your approach and modesty towards getting the final result is beyond applaudable . Also makes this video a true example of inspiration & encouragement to anyone who loses confidence in any field, regardless of watchmaking or not. Thumbs up from Australia!!!
Thanks. Yes this one caught me out and I think that had my head have been where the camera was then I may have seen the slot for the date wheel teeth to fit through. At least now I know that when I come up against one of these in the future I will know how to approach it.
Way to stick with it, Mike! Love how you always keep it real.
Nice looking watch.
You lived the saying “If you get tired, learn to rest, not to quit.” Bravo for a job well done.
Good job! Way to persevere!
I really enjoyed this because it reflected some of the real life frustrations and challenges of a hobby watchmaker.
Good to see you back at the bench Michael. The old adage "use it or lose it" came to mind watching this! I've had some challenges as of late and haven't done much more than battery changes. You jumped right back into the deep end and your persistence payed off. Good for you.
I think you mean use it or lose it, surely ?
@@kingsnurglegurglesonthevik4517 Hah, yes I did. Fixed thanks.
Thanks. I lost it years ago when I decided to do this as a hobby!
Nice! very long battle! but winning always!
Mike
Great video and good to see you back at the bench. Your comments as usual are iconic!! Keep it real
Thanks! Iconic comments, does that mean my ability to refrain from swearing in a video😂😂
I send you a hug to restore your nerves ... congrats mate - love your videos! 👍
Haha thanks
Welcome back, all healthy and smiles again. 😎👍 Despite your challenges, it was a fun video to watch.
Thanks pal
Don't knock yourself you have the skills this repair was not easy but you figured it out and stayed with it watching your videos I think you are an excellent watch maker.
Mike, I must say that your dedicated perseverance is an inspiration! All the best. 🤩
Just watched the whole video, and quite liked such truthfully made video. Learnt a lot from your works, thanks very much for your effort and time!
Well done Mike - I'm sure everyone who enjoys this hobby has had at least one movement they've worked on at some time that has been a total pig and been enough make make you want to give up, chuck it in the "spares bin" and move onto another watch (I know I have). But that perseverance can teach so much and I'm glad you battled through it.
And as much as I like your reviews, it's great to see you back, brining another retro watch back to life.
Thanks Jon. I’m just stubborn and don’t like to be beaten by any watch if I can help it. I think I could have Googled the date assembly and found the easy way but where is the fun in that.
Watch repairs will always be the core of the channel. I took a break in part due to pain I’m getting from a hernia when I sit in that leaning forward position for long but also because I just needed it. For every video I was also repairing watches for others up to 2-3 a week and it was just becoming a chore rather than enjoyment.
I’ve now cancelled all other peoples work so I can make videos and actually work on my own watches and get the enjoyment back.
Reviews are just a sideline that I’m enjoying, they bring in new subscribers even though they are not watched as much and any new sub means a potential new hobbyist!
Gosh - I had no idea. I hope you're on the mend. I do find it hurts my back a fair bit having to bend over the desk that much but I had an idea to get one of those standing desk attachments; not the full (and expensive) desk, but a surface you put on a normal desk that can be raised up by 12-18 inches.
I've only been doing this for the past 18 months or so and did get to a point where I found myself trying to do too many watches over the course of a week and also lost a bit of enthusiasm for it. I've cut back and am focusing on fewer and more interesting watches for myself. It seems to be working!
Thanks for all your hard work and content - I always look forward to a new episode. Glad you're getting your mojo back! 😀
What I learned from this video...patience pays off, new tools are cool, the t-shirt is awesome, long videos by Mike DO NOT bore me, AND never buy a Titus movement for a fun repair challenge (at least until I get much better ;-))! Thank you!
haha, well I can't say all Titus have this movement inside but I guess the only way to tell is for me to buy another one!
I always learn new things here. Thanks for puzzling out this movement. This stuff takes a whole lot of patience I find your videos helpful. Good Fortunes and Great Successes Mike 🤝
@@amphibiousone7972 thank you for your compliment
If you looked very closely at the calendar wheel that was trapping the date ring, you'll see a very small indentation in the wheel. Rotating the wheel until the indent cleared the teeth on the date ring would have enabled a safer removal. Love watching your videos even though I don't have a functional watch at the moment ( needs a new strap and I can't afford one!)
Apologies, just reached the part of the video where you found this during re-assembly.
It is so much fun to watch someone else (besides me) struggle for a change! I really appreciate your humility and perseverance! I sometimes wonder why I love this hobby so much, but then....A HEARTBEAT!! Keep up the great work!
Thank you Brian for such a nice comment. I like to show I’m just a hobbyist and make the same mistakes as everyone else. I could edit to make me look like a pro but what would be the point. I’m only fooling myself.
Absolutely stunningly good-looking watch. Great video.
I don't know anything about watchmaking, but it is joy watching your videos. Oh man I would repair every old watch sitting around house if I had this skills.
Keep up the good work sir!
Thank you so much.
Thanks! Not only was it a cool watch video, you've really conquered the lighting, depth of field etc. You'll get the focus more reliably with time. You're on the way to one of the absolute best and clearest setups on youtube.
Wow high praise. I was not happy with my lighting but that was mainly because despite the lighting and everything in the same position each day I recorded I would have to re-set white balance and mess with the F stop hence some footage being brighter than others. I will get there in the end.
Always suprise me the recovery of this hairsprings bended
Fantastic Video !!!!! Nrrd more like this !!!!!!!
Dear Mike, love your videos, and sometimes thought, you were showing my efforts at the bench as far as flying parts, springs or not knowing anymore, how these were attached are concerned. As Nekkid Watchmaker (one of my favourite watch channels) mentioned, you had to go 12 rounds, and you did it !!! And won, thereby showing us, that the whole thing, not only in regard to watches, is about learning, patience and trying again and again, without ever giving up. All the best !!!
Thank you so much. I love Joe too, he is only in the next town. We have chatted a few times and he is a lovely genuine guy. Head and shoulders better than me but naturally funny on camera which is why he has such a huge following .
I just show I’m one of you , a hobbyist who makes the same mistakes etc.
Hopefully people get that.
@@MyRetroWatches They do, and if not…be it. You and we others go our way. Stay well, my friend !
Well I done for getting through it and persevering. It's funny I really like working on these ETA 24xx, but made a complete dogs dinner of two AS1701s, so much so that I don't want to do another for the foreseeable. Maybe I was lucky with the first couple and now I've learnt the movement I feel confident on it. I've watch plenty of your videos where you've tackled other movements that seem more complicated no sweat. Ones I certainly would not want to tackle let alone on camera. I'm sure the next one will be a doddle for you. 👍.
Thanks for your feedback Thomas. I think it was just not understanding that date setup and also the hairspring issue that just made it all a bit more entertaining. I have a few AS lined up for the channel and some more ETA and soon I think I will do a short video on which watch shall I do next where you can all vote!
Loved the vid! Beautiful watch! I was screaming for you through some of that!
Haha thanks Trev! I got myself in a tangle for a while on this one. I’m always too determined to be beaten.
Thanks for watching. Appreciate it.
Great job, greetings from Mexico!
I always fancied visiting Cairo, I'll try and get the same ticket as your spring
Welcome back Mike! What a beautiful but tricky movement. Good job, hope you're keeping well. Adrian
Thanks Adrian. All okay ...just.
This watch may have been a pain in the neck, but it turned out great. Well done.
this really shows how brave we all should be! Amazing! It is the kind of pain in the eye movement we enjoy to get rid of finally, teaches you a lot, such as: no, don't smash it even if it deserves way worse.. Thank you!
Haha don’t smash it! Was more annoyed at myself I think really. Certainly now know how to handle a 2472 in the future. That is to pass on it!
Thanks for watching!
Great video Mike
Wow !!! A tough one, most important is that you did it !!! Nice video again and very interesting ! You will surely help other hobbyist somewhere !! Thanks for share !! 👌✨
Thanks Alan , I managed to fluff my way through this one. Wearing out my knees in the process looking for that damn spring !
Nightmare just watching you. Very skilled talent you have. What a fantastic watch. If it was me fixing it I would have used a sledgehammer in frustration. What a nice video you made. Sentimental feelings to see this watch tick again.
Glad you enjoyed it I keep the hammer in another room just in case temptation arises!
Wow that movement had some challenges not a movement to try first off, will put a beginner off for life I think. Great you gave it a crack and showed warts and all. Well done you deserved a stiff drink after that.
Much alcohol was consumed to prevent explicit profanity!
This effort was just awesome to watch. Really enjoy your videos and how you put the real experience here for us to watch and learn. Cheers.
Bringing back some nice memories of servicing my Grandfather's/ Dad's watch, it is a lovely movement the eta 2472 slow vibration of 18000 but that's fine, i would listen to it for a long time the 18000 vph is great to listen to very soothing, pitty the hair spring was bent on yours but new old stock are still available, cheers Mike loved that, thank you. Dave from UK.
Thanks Dave. Was that date wheel setup that just drove me bonkers. Yeah I should have googled for an easy answer but I like to make things hard for myself!
Absolute beauty of a watch and movement.
Fair play with the date springy heath robinson part. I'd have lost the plot. 😬 Well, more than usual. 😂 I like how you think your way around problems like this. And to see the beating heart going... Great job Sir, as usual.
Thanks. I lost the plot off camera I can assure you of that!
Patience of a bloody saint.... Great to hear you're better.. nice work.
Thanks! It’s just bloody minded stubbornness to not be beaten ! Sadly not that much better just less pain. One of my problems has been diagnosed only yesterday to be a femoral hernia…
@@MyRetroWatches Take it easy mate.. no heavy lifting. You have more time to sit and fix lovely old watches now.. keep positive and use that bloody mindedness👍
Glad you eventually found those notches to insert the date wheel, I noticed them after you had trouble removing it. Must be so satisfying to get a watch going again after a long break, I'm sure!
Thanks. I only wished I’d noticed them sooner. To be honest if the camera is not where my head should be perhaps I would have. When filming I’m at a slight angle for viewing and you can see I can’t see when I’m placing bridges sometimes.
So happy to see a new video! Glad you show your mistakes and the need for patience for this hobby. Cheers!! I’ve learned so much and enjoy your channel 👍
Thank you sir.
What a great video! Yes, it was long...but well worth the viewing time! I love the fact you are honest about the struggles. Keep up the great work!
Glad you enjoyed it! Sorry all my resto videos are long, try as i might after all these years I rarely get sub 1 hour.
great video mike so glad i wasnt the only one to have found this movement a royal pain in the bum lol, and there isnt any videos that go into detail about the assembly with this caliber most of them skip the calander assembly so think you'll find yours is one of the best well done
Thanks, yes at least this is a record now for anyone else struggling with this movement.
I really enjoyed watching ever minute of this video. The new camera and lighting was OK, new equipment always takes a bit of getting used to and the video was completely watchable at all times. Seeing you struggle showed the watch was suffering more from poor design flaws more than anything else. If this watch movement made YOU struggle then this is definitely a movement to avoid if possible.
Thanks for letting me know on the video quality. I do always worry. It’s like learning a whole new skill.
As for this movement at least this video is in the public domain now so anyone in the future gets stuck there will always be this reference.
Thanks for watching.
What a beautiful feisty movement. Great efforts made a very watchable video Mike. Cheers, Howard
Thanks. Was a challenge but I now know for next time how to tackle this date complication.
Thanks Mike, another really enjoyable video. Really nice watch. I learn something new every time.
Glad you enjoyed it, we are always learning.
I have a 2472 with a very stiff balance... thanks for the vid
The ticking was likely the image stabilization or auto aperture.
Image stabilization on the lens can be triggered by vibration, and should always be off on a tripod.
Auto aperture can be triggered by changes in scene brightness.
Manual mode doesn't always mean full manual. Sometimes you will have systems to ensure you don't blow out highlights.
The more I watch, you have some auto exposure going on. Might be in post though.
Thanks. What it was I was in full manual mode but for photos and not video. I did find it strange that either f stop or iso made little difference. Only when the penny dropped that I should be in manual filming mode (lumix G7 on one of the setting wheels) this then changed EVERYTHING!
@@MyRetroWatches my last camera did that. Super annoying to have it reset to auto
Oh Mate its like watching myself!! i have had so many movements kick my butt lately but we keep coming back for more!! Just doing a AS 167 and the calendar works are tricky to say the least😫we will fight the good fight together!!
haha, like I say im just like everyone else. I dont try to be professional or edit to make myself look good. What you see if what you get. Thanks for tuning in.
Great video mate. You have the patience of a saint! I could feel your frustration with those springs. Well done.
Thanks
I am a follower of your work. Thanks to you I have serviced my watches. Thank you very much. Maybe fewer fingers on camera changing the angle would be better, cheers!
Thanks. Unfortunately you can’t film without fingers , it’s a common complaint but not easily overcome given how small the object you work on.
Other angles would be nice but it’s difficult for me also. Space on the bench for another camera is limited plus editing is also hard.
I’d be lucky to push a video a month and given I don’t make any real money on videos it’s a big ask.
Had I been one of the big watch repair channels who make $1000 a video then perhaps I’d get a better setup but I need 100,000s of views per video and now I’m lucky to get 7000.
@@MyRetroWatches Do not take my comment in a bad way my friend. Sorry this channel should have all those views you need and more. His work is very educational. Thank you for your contribution. I will be waiting for your next video.
@@Juancho.-. it’s okay. I did not take it the wrong way. Just trying to explain. I am not a film maker so like watchmaking I’m learning by myself as I work.
I hope to improve.
Well done Michael that was hard 👏 🙈 nice watch 👌
Nice to see you back on the bench Mike, after your health issue. 😀👍
Unfortunately my health issues are not resolved at all. Only just got diagnosed for a femoral hernia yesterday …
Well done as usual! Any watch marked ‘waterproof’ by convention is pre 1970/72. The words water resistant was used post 1970/72. Titus and Solvil Titus were well known until the quartz crisis at which time they concentrated on the Asian market. Very popular in Asia to this day. Cheers, Geoff.
I didn’t know this I only thought it was Seiko that changed from proof to resistant in 70. Great to know it was a more broad change.
Nice work Mike! Once again a lesson in perseverance and patience! Another vintage watch lives :) Looking forward to the next one. P.S. I thought the close up camera work was great and got better as time went on.
Thank you Neil. Yes the disassembly was filmed when I had just got the camera. The time in between I had improved the setup a bit and learnt more of the settings.
For me it’s still very much work in progress as I still don’t quite know what the footage looks like until I hook it up to my laptop.
Excellent to see you back Mike and hopefully feeling more your normal self. A new video with your new kit is very good. Interesting watch to see on the table, but think you wished it was not quite so challenging. Have a good rest and you'll soon be firing on all cylinders again. 👍
Thanks. I have my hernia diagnosis now so just waiting on a consultant and then a possible operation date..
@@MyRetroWatches Wow! I hope they get you sorted out quickly as this can be very uncomfortable. I promise not to send any comments that will make you laugh and cause additional pain! Cheers 🍻 Rick.
Love your admission when things go wrong… makes me feel better about not getting frustrated when it’s all going tits up 😱😎
Honesty is the best policy
First off all, welcome back, i hope you're much better.
Thank you for your honest videos.
I found myself saying "oh no!!" Out loud when the spring pinged away. I'm just starting out in this hobby myself after retiring last year. I look forward to watching your other videos, and new upcoming ones too
Keep up the great work.
Thanks. Pings are part of the hobby but just be aware to always work with springs where the movement is facing an area you can search!
I use this roll top desk so aim am mine inside so I have a good chance to catch them. Sadly that strong click one found its way to the floor where I was then on my knees with a magnet until I found it again.
Just finished watching Mike, i was hoping for you to turn the intermediate date corrector wheel round but when working on a movement for the fist time mistakes happen especially when filming, don't think about it, thanks Mike.
Think it’s more a point that I just didn’t see it. Had my head been where the camera is then I may have noticed but when filming I am at a different position to what I normally work in.
Cleaned up nice Mike its a nice looking piece , shame it was such a headache for you but its true reality content mate ,well done for seeing it through 🙏.
Thanks Ted. I try not to let any watch beat me !
Those eta movements are a nightmare. But they are rewarding when done
I am curious now on if other ETA have this date setup. I’ve done a few before but are unlike this one, now going to go through all the projects I have to see what I dan film next.
I am not sure of all of them however 2700 series is very similar to your movement. Definitely a challenge of a movement for sure. @@MyRetroWatches
Did I miss you saying what ETA movement is was? Oh hell it's in the title. Lol had to edit this. Lol I can't believe you got the original hair spring as far as you did. More than I would have gotten for sure. I think I would have even attempted it. Lol. Kudos. It really is a nice watch with the daulphinp handset. Some times we just have to take all the lumps and bumps to learn and this one was a great learning piece. I've got a ladies seiko high beat movement that's been on my bench for a good year. So that's going to be a treat to try and finish. Lol looking forward to more great videos Michael. Cheers keep up the great work sir.
Thanks Jeff. Yes one was a good way to return to the bench…!
The ladies high beats. I have a few of them and still not tackled one shame they have hardly any value. Had it been a man’s high beat they are very desirable.
The ticking noise, was it Image Stabilization?
Not sure the camera was in full manual mode but for photos. I didn’t realise there was a full manual mode for video. Clicking onto this fixed the issue.
I also have similar Titus watch it's bit complicated movement. But one problem with my watch is power reserve, often it stops even under use too.
Another great video Mike - well done! I think you are too hard on yourself mate. Video quality is very good and your skill levels are much higher than you give yourself credit for. Enjoyed the hairspring montage - I was willing you to succeed ! Nice little watch to show for all of your hard work. Well done again.
Hi George . Thanks as always for your support.
Thing is I round up the video before any editing so I have no real clue on what it will turn out like. I figured with all that went on it might have looked a bit of a mess. Nice to hear it wasn’t.
It's definitely not designed by Seiko but I bet you wish it was.
This video will be very helpful for those like me. I have a few etas I'm going to be working on soon.
Glad to see you back ;)
And thank you for the vid'
I think the coolest movement is a old railroad Grade movement Like the old waltham movements.
Its terrible that we can't see it ticking the whole day.
Hi you did well
That's actually a nice little watch. Definitely worth the effort! What do you think they meant by 'Pentastar' on the dial?
What a amazing movement, to jump back in onto! Wow it fought you, but you won the Battle. And made a great job of it. Hope your doing ok. Stay safe fella. When do you want my pocket watch to go through lol😂
ÓTIMO SERVIÇO 👍👍👍 🇧🇷
Nice to get a first like on this entertainment channel.
"That should have only taken a few minutes:" watchmaking in a nutshell. The struggle is real.
At 51.42...could you have put some thick grease under spring to help stop it jumping out ?
Yeah, an impressive show of staunch perseverance over a movement designed by Satan himself.
The manner in which you gave up on the quality of the Timegrapher results was indeed legendary 👍
With myself having just moved into the murky world of ETA and Unitas movements, leaving behind the
relative comfort of the Vostok's with their plentiful supply of cheap spares, I sympathize greatly with your
problem of waiting, searching for spares, having forum sites telling you "LOL Unitas 445 it is obsolete mate,
expect to pay a fortune for every tiny part you need"😱. I've discovered this too, all the while scouring eBay until
the early hours. It's enough to make anyone want to misspell Torture (Torcher) 😂
Someone needs a good Holiday🤔after fixing this monster..
Great Video Mike, we feel your pain here, but at least it ticks now.. 10/10👍
Thanks pal (I think) I’m lost at where I have even used the word torcher …!! It’s messed my mind completely pmsl.
As for parts. I’m fortunate I created a Facebook group with 10k strong now of likeminded people so asking for parts or help in there is a godsend.
I thought this movement was bad but wait for my next video as it puts this movement into the weeds on the bonkers scale!
Not frustrating to watch but did show how frustrating the hobby can be.
Very true. Thanks for watching.
And some say Seiko have bad springs? Well, maybe, but some of the Swiss are pure evil.... heheheh
Swiss like to use springs at any available opportunity. I swear it’s to mes up us hobbyists in the future!
I have one of these but have difficulty setting the date
I am just beginning this and intend to finish so I might add another comment but I agree the case back should be exhi. And your disappointment at that Looney Tunes hairsping was devastating. But I love your perseverance and I just want to know: who is that "Pat Ented" guy anyway??? Lol. Loving the video so far.
Thanks for watching sir.
@@MyRetroWatches I've watched it all the way through now and the degree of difficulty with that particular movement is ... wow! It has a lot of really intricate and nettlesome parts for a rather simple timepiece, esp. one with such an elegant and clean overall look. It took a long time and I think you did a beautiful job overall. That took courage! Now I realize it's not: "Pat Ented" it's "Pat 'en Ted" ... TWO bosses! Lol.