Yes - you have to match up the starting current of the sump pump motor. In my case, the starting current of the motor peaked at under 10 Amps. That meant a 15 Amp breaker is fine, and also a 22 kVA UPS can handle it easily.
Great job! My wife tolerates me, but you are on a whole different level! We just had 6 inches of rain in 48 hours. My single pump was getting rid of 1600 gallons per day. But homes with sump pumps, 1) keep a backup pump on the shelf 2) water alarm with sensor just above the high water point 3) run water into it every 3 or 4 months to test 4) flashlight hanging in the area. Now I need to play this video to my wife and say, "SEEE... I could be worse." :)
Finally a kindred spirit! My sump pit is 48" deep and 24" across. Different than your's, mine was built to be air-tight because I have an air-tight home built to the passiv-haus standard. My cap is also bolted on , but doesn't have any penetrations. Aside from the 2 pipes that dump water collected into the sump, the 2" pipe coming out goes through the sidewall, under the slab, then up and out. Because the vessel itself is air-tight, we needed to supply make-up air to avoid vapor locking. There's a 4" pipe that goes under the slab, then up outside the building. (We had considered extending that under the siding, up to the roof, in the event that we needed radon remediation, but ultimately chose not to. Finally, there's a 1" (maybe 1 1/2") pipe that comes from the sump, up through the slab through which we feed required wiring. We have only a single 1/2 HP Zoeller M95 pump in the pit. Sensitive to the fact that one of the common points for failure is the switch, we have strapped the float in the on position, and installed an HC6000-PRO to control the pump. As a fully electronic item, UL considers the HC6000 capable of 1,000,000 cycles or more. Also, to reduce pump start-up frequency (the hardest part on the pump) we set the sensors 12" apart, which equates to 24 gallons, rather than the 13 gallons the original float would have provided with 6.5" from start to stop.. The HC6000-pro generates statistics about run time, fill time (ie time between runs), total number of cycles as well as performing weekly self tests. Faults are both displayed an accompanied by an audible alarm. Also within the pit about 8" above the start we have a float sensor, which is tied into our central alarm system, sounding both in the house, as well as alerting our monitoring service. The circuit for the sump pump, along with a few other critical circuits, are on a resiliency panel managed by our solar panel system, which includes 10KW of battery backup for critical systems. Similar to you, for back--up I keep the 4 year old 1/3 HP Pro-Flo pump I proactively removed and cleaned standing by. That pump is already attached to a measured discharge pipe, so in the event of an emergency replacement need, it can be dropped in and connected to the bottom of the check valve with the rubber sleeves already in place. I had contemplated including an outdoor camera with infared light source tied into our home surveillance system, but I may have already gone too far, according to my wife. Your system is stellar!
This is freaking legendary. I thought I was pretty over the top with this stuff, having had contractors think I'm nuts for perfection on various projects. But my friend, you have me beat. This is amazing. Please keep being you.
Thanks, Justin! You'll be reaping the reward for your perfectionism - it has both a direct and indirect effect. Many people don't realize that last part.
Spectacular! A great addition would be a water sensor attached to your alarm system and put the sensor inside the pit above the normal water line. Then in the event one or both pumps dont work, you will get a water sensor alert to your phone or alarm system
Perfect. The lid is so great. There is pump spy Gel battery.I use it. I use a small utility pump with garden hose incase. I just use garden hose to fill it to test. Yours is best.
Too bad I'm discovering this a year and three months later but man, That's hi-performance! All bases covered and then some! If there's a magazine for sump pump installs, this oughta make the cover big time! Great job! If I wasn't renting, I'd try to build a system like that (or similar).
Omg, this is true best I’ve seen. Could you do a video that covers the discharge side? Would be great if it could be silent and still provide freeze jams
Great setup. If a water line busted in the basement, could water get into the sump pit with the sealed lid? If so, do the sump pumps have a flow rate greater than the flow rate of your water supply?
And here I am patting myself on the back for installing a M98 zoller and and a clear spring loaded check valve. Plus, the M98 pulls way too much inrush current to work on my SMT2200 :/ Amazing setup btw
Thank you for posting and providing product information? Do you have any complete DIY how to video or write up for this project? I’d like to try it myself if given enough information not to screw up.
Definitely sweet. A little overkill with the lights and clear tubing... Lol. However, if that helps with peace of mind, then kudos for building all that!!
This set up is awesome. I am in the process of putting in two stand alone pumps. My question is can I use pumps with the same horse power( 1/3hp). I was told if they do it will affect the water flow slowing the water pumping out if they both are on at the same time.
Thanks! Both pumps being the same HP is perfectly fine. One will not affect the other, unless they are both on the same circuit, in which case, they may trip the breaker if both come on at the same time.
This is the rubber stopper: www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0163E8SGO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 This is smaller bulkhead: www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0002DKANM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1 The 2 larger ones are from Wolseley. I believe part # 42-38050 which is a 1.5" polyprop bulkhead fitting. Try here: www.wolseleyinc.ca/
There's no mud in the system really - rain water through grass, then soil, then clay, then 2' of crushed rock into plastic perforated weeping tile. Although sometimes the water is brown.
Cool setup. Any videos of this working in the heaviest rains? I'm curious how much flow you get from all of those pipes. I have seen some videos on youtube with horrific flows - I know of one where they have one massive pump that does about 300GPM and other smaller ones that pump about 30-50GPM and they keep 4-5 pumps (including the huge pump that is intermittent) on during the heaviest snow melt days or rain days. They had a crappy builder. Their flow rates were in the hundreds of gallons per minute coming into the sump. Another had a continuous single sewage pump for about 3 months of the year and pumped somewhere around 1.5+ million gallons due to their house being on top of an aquifer. Scary stuff.
@@Bill-gl3oo awesome system / video! can you please clarify the connection points / fittings used from the pumps up until the clear pvc? I can see the flex fitting and bulkhead on glass, but unsure how you connected the rest
Great setup...couple of questions. Is there a way to get the lid off easily for maintenance? I want to straight copy this but would like to incorporate a way to get in the pit from time to time to clean the mud. Also, any tips on how to do the lights? I'm not familiar at all with how to do that...
Yes - you unscrew the screws and take it off, but it really shouldn't need any maintenance - the only "maintenance" is I will change out the pumps after 5-7 years. LEDs are custom - I bought the LEDs, soldered them together with resistors, wired them to a 9V DC adapter, and taped the harness to the ceiling of the sump pit.
@@Bill-gl3oo can you explain step-by-step how you’d get that lid off? I’m trying to conceptualize how to put a sealed lid on with union connections. At some point don’t you have to unscrew the pipe coming from the pump itself? Is the pump heavy enough to allow the pipe to screw off without spinning?
@@TENTHIRTYONE It starts by loosening the compression joints that hold the section of clear pipe. Then you can unscrew the 1.5" bulkheads, then unscrew the lid hold-down bolts and the lid comes off.
@@tombryant4518 Good question - I've never timed it - It's possible to calculate it based on the Ah of the batteries - I'd say at least 30 min of continuous pumping.
@@Bill-gl3oo Ok, Thank you for taking the time to answer! I’ve often won what I should get for my house since I’m screwed when the power goes out during a heavy rain
What is the duty cycle during a storm? 30 minutes continuous doesn't sound confidence-inspiring. Curious why you didn't go with a waterjet backup. Seems like you've got the room (and supply plumbing!) to put one in as a tertiary.
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15 Amp braker, I was looking for that data. Thank you.
Yes - you have to match up the starting current of the sump pump motor. In my case, the starting current of the motor peaked at under 10 Amps. That meant a 15 Amp breaker is fine, and also a 22 kVA UPS can handle it easily.
You ever sit in there with a beer during heavy rain and just admire this work?
Great job! My wife tolerates me, but you are on a whole different level!
We just had 6 inches of rain in 48 hours. My single pump was getting rid of 1600 gallons per day.
But homes with sump pumps, 1) keep a backup pump on the shelf 2) water alarm with sensor just above the high water point 3) run water into it every 3 or 4 months to test 4) flashlight hanging in the area.
Now I need to play this video to my wife and say, "SEEE... I could be worse." :)
“We also put a stereo in the sump pit”
it also mows your lawn
Please make more videos of things you’ve built around your house!! This is amazing!!
Finally a kindred spirit! My sump pit is 48" deep and 24" across. Different than your's, mine was built to be air-tight because I have an air-tight home built to the passiv-haus standard. My cap is also bolted on , but doesn't have any penetrations. Aside from the 2 pipes that dump water collected into the sump, the 2" pipe coming out goes through the sidewall, under the slab, then up and out. Because the vessel itself is air-tight, we needed to supply make-up air to avoid vapor locking. There's a 4" pipe that goes under the slab, then up outside the building. (We had considered extending that under the siding, up to the roof, in the event that we needed radon remediation, but ultimately chose not to. Finally, there's a 1" (maybe 1 1/2") pipe that comes from the sump, up through the slab through which we feed required wiring.
We have only a single 1/2 HP Zoeller M95 pump in the pit. Sensitive to the fact that one of the common points for failure is the switch, we have strapped the float in the on position, and installed an HC6000-PRO to control the pump. As a fully electronic item, UL considers the HC6000 capable of 1,000,000 cycles or more. Also, to reduce pump start-up frequency (the hardest part on the pump) we set the sensors 12" apart, which equates to 24 gallons, rather than the 13 gallons the original float would have provided with 6.5" from start to stop.. The HC6000-pro generates statistics about run time, fill time (ie time between runs), total number of cycles as well as performing weekly self tests. Faults are both displayed an accompanied by an audible alarm.
Also within the pit about 8" above the start we have a float sensor, which is tied into our central alarm system, sounding both in the house, as well as alerting our monitoring service. The circuit for the sump pump, along with a few other critical circuits, are on a resiliency panel managed by our solar panel system, which includes 10KW of battery backup for critical systems. Similar to you, for back--up I keep the 4 year old 1/3 HP Pro-Flo pump I proactively removed and cleaned standing by. That pump is already attached to a measured discharge pipe, so in the event of an emergency replacement need, it can be dropped in and connected to the bottom of the check valve with the rubber sleeves already in place.
I had contemplated including an outdoor camera with infared light source tied into our home surveillance system, but I may have already gone too far, according to my wife.
Your system is stellar!
This is freaking legendary. I thought I was pretty over the top with this stuff, having had contractors think I'm nuts for perfection on various projects. But my friend, you have me beat. This is amazing. Please keep being you.
Thanks, Justin! You'll be reaping the reward for your perfectionism - it has both a direct and indirect effect. Many people don't realize that last part.
Spectacular! A great addition would be a water sensor attached to your alarm system and put the sensor inside the pit above the normal water line. Then in the event one or both pumps dont work, you will get a water sensor alert to your phone or alarm system
Also an alarm to let you know if the main sump pump stops working
Any chance you are an engineer ???? WOW, nice job. That setup belongs in the sump pump hall of fame !!!
Thanks, Harrowryan! Yes - you're not wrong.
This is a true work of art! I wish I had your knowledge and skills.
Wow! That's high praise, Flavius! Thanks
That is seriously one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Great ideas, and I love how neat and clean everything is!
Perfect. The lid is so great. There is pump spy Gel battery.I use it. I use a small utility pump with garden hose incase. I just use garden hose to fill it to test.
Yours is best.
Too bad I'm discovering this a year and three months later but man, That's hi-performance! All bases covered and then some! If there's a magazine for sump pump installs, this oughta make the cover big time! Great job! If I wasn't renting, I'd try to build a system like that (or similar).
Wow! Compliment of a lifetime!
Outstanding preparation
Wow. You are super organized and well prepared. Kudos on a great strategy. I need to upgrade my system to something like yours.
Wow! Well done! This is by FAR the BEST setup I’ve ever seen! Cheers!
Omg, this is true best I’ve seen. Could you do a video that covers the discharge side? Would be great if it could be silent and still provide freeze jams
this is the best sump pit I've ever seen.. amazing!
Great setup. If a water line busted in the basement, could water get into the sump pit with the sealed lid? If so, do the sump pumps have a flow rate greater than the flow rate of your water supply?
Those APC UPS systems are 2.2KVA, not 22KVA though
Yep - slip of the tongue/mind
This is amazing! Beautifully done.
This is the best sump pump system i have ever seen
looks like you could bathe in that pit. Kudos!
That is an AWESOME and clean setup!!
And here I am patting myself on the back for installing a M98 zoller and and a clear spring loaded check valve. Plus, the M98 pulls way too much inrush current to work on my SMT2200 :/ Amazing setup btw
Thank you for posting and providing product information? Do you have any complete DIY how to video or write up for this project? I’d like to try it myself if given enough information not to screw up.
Now you need to install a water powered backup for third back up !!!
Preperation is often underrated. If you do it right, it will seem you didn't need to do it at all.
You're bang-on as always, Frosty - I agree entirely!
Very cool. best example I've seen and most redundant system yet.
This is overkill and I freaking love it 😂
Wow, this is amazing; my dream install.
Wow… perfect sump pump system👏🏼
What a nice setup!
Wow, fantastic. I'm going to borrow a few of these ideas.
Definitely sweet. A little overkill with the lights and clear tubing... Lol. However, if that helps with peace of mind, then kudos for building all that!!
This is a proper set up man. Very cool.
No water overflow sensor connected to texting alarm ?
This set up is awesome. I am in the process of putting in two stand alone pumps. My question is can I use pumps with the same horse power( 1/3hp). I was told if they do it will affect the water flow slowing the water pumping out if they both are on at the same time.
Thanks!
Both pumps being the same HP is perfectly fine. One will not affect the other, unless they are both on the same circuit, in which case, they may trip the breaker if both come on at the same time.
Can you please share UPS model numbers and link where did you buy these? Also are these UPS has battery inside the unit? Thanks
Yes, the UPS's have batteries inside. 22kVA UPS's - Go to APC.com
It's not excessive until you have a dashboard with the water level over time and an alarm if the water level gets too high!
What kind of fittings are you using to pass seal the discharge pipes to the cover? What about the grommet for the cords?
Rubber stopper for the cords. Bulkhead fittings for the pipes. I had put links in another comment. You can order them from Wolseley.
Will you be notified if the battery in the UPS gets low?
Yep - it beeps very loud
Fantastic design!
Dude! Well done!
This is fantastic! Any chance you could provide a link to the bulk heads you used and maybe the rubber grommet for the electrical?
This is the rubber stopper: www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0163E8SGO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
This is smaller bulkhead: www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0002DKANM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
The 2 larger ones are from Wolseley. I believe part # 42-38050 which is a 1.5" polyprop bulkhead fitting. Try here: www.wolseleyinc.ca/
Top notch job mate - great video too
Whats the size of those UPSs and how long do you think they would run the pump?
How did you make/buy the clear lid? I love this idea.
I made the lid by buying 1/2" acrylic glass, cutting it with a jigsaw and for-metal-blades, and drilling it with for-metal-bits.
@@Bill-gl3oo can you make a video example?
Fantastic work! Quick question, will sealing the pit create vacuum in there and potentially adversely impact the pump function?
No. The earth is crushed rock and sand, so it breathes.
Best one ever
This looks amazing
How does no mud get in? so clear
There's no mud in the system really - rain water through grass, then soil, then clay, then 2' of crushed rock into plastic perforated weeping tile. Although sometimes the water is brown.
Cool setup. Any videos of this working in the heaviest rains? I'm curious how much flow you get from all of those pipes. I have seen some videos on youtube with horrific flows - I know of one where they have one massive pump that does about 300GPM and other smaller ones that pump about 30-50GPM and they keep 4-5 pumps (including the huge pump that is intermittent) on during the heaviest snow melt days or rain days. They had a crappy builder. Their flow rates were in the hundreds of gallons per minute coming into the sump. Another had a continuous single sewage pump for about 3 months of the year and pumped somewhere around 1.5+ million gallons due to their house being on top of an aquifer. Scary stuff.
Bad ass system well done 👏
Do you have special couplings on top of the basin to allow you to take off without cutting the PVC?
Yes - you don't have to cut any PVC to dismantle the entire thing.
@@Bill-gl3oo Us novices need a video on this, please.
@@Bill-gl3oo awesome system / video! can you please clarify the connection points / fittings used from the pumps up until the clear pvc? I can see the flex fitting and bulkhead on glass, but unsure how you connected the rest
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Really though this is amazing. You thought of everything.
Great setup...couple of questions. Is there a way to get the lid off easily for maintenance? I want to straight copy this but would like to incorporate a way to get in the pit from time to time to clean the mud.
Also, any tips on how to do the lights? I'm not familiar at all with how to do that...
Yes - you unscrew the screws and take it off, but it really shouldn't need any maintenance - the only "maintenance" is I will change out the pumps after 5-7 years.
LEDs are custom - I bought the LEDs, soldered them together with resistors, wired them to a 9V DC adapter, and taped the harness to the ceiling of the sump pit.
@@Bill-gl3oo is that tape going to hold for a few years of sump pit humidity?
This is amazing btw. We'd get along great 😊
@@brandonlivingston3032 Thanks, Brandon! Excellent Question! It's waterproof tape, so hopefully! If not, I'll use something else.
@@Bill-gl3oo can you explain step-by-step how you’d get that lid off? I’m trying to conceptualize how to put a sealed lid on with union connections. At some point don’t you have to unscrew the pipe coming from the pump itself? Is the pump heavy enough to allow the pipe to screw off without spinning?
@@TENTHIRTYONE It starts by loosening the compression joints that hold the section of clear pipe. Then you can unscrew the 1.5" bulkheads, then unscrew the lid hold-down bolts and the lid comes off.
It is also has WiFi and Bluetooth and GPS
Where did you get the fittings for the discharge and wires? i can't seem to find them
Genius!!! Did you install this system?
All it's missing are some coy fish. 🤪
Damn good!!!
where can i get that ups backup and what size is the back up and how long will back up run?
It's from APC, and the details are in the description. Google APC.
@@Bill-gl3oo So how long will the pumps actually run off those UPS units if you have a long power outage?
@@tombryant4518 Good question - I've never timed it - It's possible to calculate it based on the Ah of the batteries - I'd say at least 30 min of continuous pumping.
@@Bill-gl3oo Ok, Thank you for taking the time to answer! I’ve often won what I should get for my house since I’m screwed when the power goes out during a heavy rain
What is the duty cycle during a storm? 30 minutes continuous doesn't sound confidence-inspiring. Curious why you didn't go with a waterjet backup. Seems like you've got the room (and supply plumbing!) to put one in as a tertiary.
Love it! Who did the sump pump UPS install for you?
Thanks! I did it myself.
We are not worthy!
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Bra, jaw drop
Where did you get the clear lid?
I made it using acrylic glass - any local plastic supplier. Search online.