Even if not "forced" forced, Ithink it was "called for" in the sense that a normal punch wouldn't necessarily have ended Boros. Serious was unnecessary, so not forced but also not less than 1% or something. What we can be sure about is that it was nothing compared to the Serious Punch(^2 literally or x2 not sure) against Garou. Because if it was the "same" serious punch, it would extend far beyond compared to just the atmosphere. Serious punch^2 might have reached thousands of stars.
@@ayushdeshmukh284 Yeah, but we can also say Saitama himself isn't anywhere near the level he's at during the SP^2 because not only does he naturally grow in power as time goes on, but he was also enraged and possibly bloodlusted when he threw the SP that was part of the SP^2 because.
Saitama has a move where he goes back in time and hits his opponents past self and it is undodgeable that's an instant win for Saitama as he can just go back to when goku was a baby and beat the ever living crap out of him.
Basically, people tend to lowball Goku because most of his feats are visually unimpressive. His absurd power mostly has to be established through statements and scaling. Meanwhile Saitama feels more powerful than Goku to the average anime fan because his franchise generally has way better art quality and fight choreography.
People love to say "Dragonball has no feats its all statements" like no shit otherwise the universe would be destroyed every single battle. But the whole concept with power in Dragonball is controlling your Ki that was the whole point of Goku learning to control SSJ God so he didnt destroy everything
this nigga never broke shit but some bones 🤒🤒 i have never seen goku use a special move, or a punch, or a technique that destroyed a galaxy in one shot. he can be as strong as you want him to be but i have definitely seen superman and thor and saint seiya and all types of powerful characters stronger than saitama do crazy shit. goku has not done anything on panel crazier than saitama. "goku scales higher" i dont give a single flying fucking fadoodle. show me a panel of his destructive capability.
@@fishnutz5196 "controlling your ki" 💀💀💀 you can admit that goku is strong enough to fight and hurt strong people without telling me he could destroy a galaxy with zero *on panel* feats that even come close to that 💀
@@tnsxpm you clearly didnt read or watch the battle of gods arc.... literally stated and SHOWN him mastering the ki control in order to not destroy the universe.
No one in Saitama is at Goku's level. People used to say ssj3 Goku caps at star level and Saitama is equal to him........... People are crazy. Goku's energy while powering up to ssj3 reached and shocked Gohan, Shin and Kibito. They were shocked to see his power can reach there. The otherworld is transcendental to the living world which contains dimensions that cannot be perceived by the human beings. And is completely separate space-time. The kaioshin realm which revolves around the universe 7 as a moon considers living World as a lower realm. And ssj3 power reached the kaioshin realm is crazy. This is Z. I don't get why Goku vs Saitama is a thing at all. The power or AP difference is huge like not even funny. In db verse raw power negates durability and haxes.
@@achiyanmondal5058 I mean we can't know what it will actually be like since we haven't seen Saitama be pushed so far as to get angry or actually serious in a fight. So goku will of course win by feats.
@@SpedSukuna I get ur point. Maybe at the end of series- Saitama could reach universal or multiversal, but u know how Saitama fans are. But the debate between him and Goku isn't even close
Thinking about it. Goku obliterates saitama. Goku can destroy entire galaxies with ease. Saitama to his credit, saitama can rise to unlimited levels. But so can goku.
@@clashroyale-yl4ecI watched the anime and Goku can run out of ki but it takes a long time and Goku almost destroying the universe was real in the battle of gods movie he nearly destroyed the universe by clashing with beerus
I'm glad that you high-balled Saitama because, even when he has the benefit of the doubt, he loses to anything after Z if you low-ball Kid Buu or don't mention Janemba. Also : "I love people that don't read, doesn't everybody?"
Great video, I agree with your points. My only counter point is that Saitama as a parody character seems to be a joke metaphor for wasted limitless potential. In the same way that he grew when fighting Garou, he would also grow while fighting Goku and eventually out-scale him in a few moments. But that's only because the punchline of Saitama, as I interpret him, is that he wins the fight no matter what. Not because of logic or numbers, it's just his character. The author baits the reader by building up the big-bad to be a threat so that the reader wonders "what if Saitama loses?" Only for him to win so they can say "oh yea,of course he does lol what was i thinking?" Goku isn't that. He can lose, he has lost, he has crazy potential but it (usually) requires months of training. He'd probably develop a new form, Super Ultra Instinct or something, and still lose to Saitama. Actually now that I think about it: Goku would consider it a loss period because Saitama is trash at fighting. There would be no fun in it for Goku. Anyway, my two cents on an old video. Cheers.
ofc. problem with goku. but ppl doesnt realize is that, goku needs fo focus his ki. idc how goku is multiversal. but if laser gun can even hurt him, thats a huge problem. because 1. laser is moving at light speed but ppl say base goku is hundreds time speed of light. and ofc he isnt at base form. he is at frekin blue form. that multiplies his power to gajiliooon of speed of light 2. goku durability is questionable. can he face his own attack? saitama doesnt need all of this. even with his base, face seriouspunchx2 to the face, he doesnt even hurt or anything. he also doesnt need oxygen cuz he can breath in space lol. but i do agree that current saitama will lose to goku.
"In the same way that he grew when fighting Garou, he would also grow while fighting Goku and eventually out-scale him in a few moments" This is good. Not in moments, he has never done it, against a single enemy. IF this was the case Garou would have been slapped unconscious 5 times over after less than 10 panels. Saitama grows stronger but not that fast. "But that's only because the punchline of Saitama, as I interpret him, is that he wins the fight no matter what. Not because of logic or numbers, it's just his character." This is bad on the other hand, is bad. Really bad. How exactly does Goku not do the exact same thing as Saitama at that point? Let me rephrase it with your words. My only counter point is that Goku as a shounen character seems to be a metaphor for limitless potential who will always somehow win in the end. In the same way that he grew when fighting Frieza or any of the masters in DB, he would also grow while fighting Saitama and eventually out-scale him in a few moments, as he does against multiple enemies such as Jiren or King Piccolo. But that's only because the punchline of Goku, as I interpret him, is that he wins the fight no matter what. Not because of logic or numbers, it's just his character. The author baits the reader by building up the big-bad to be a threat so that the reader wonders "what if Goku loses?" Only for him to win by training, unlocking a new form or powering up, or still win indirectly so they can say "oh yea, of course he does lol what was i thinking, isn't Goku the strongest fighter of all?" Saitama isn't that. He hasn't always won with one punch, he has never fought an opponent more powerful than himself, he has crazy potential but it (usually) is never shown. He'd probably develop a new serious punch, Super Ultra Fart or something, and still lose to Goku. Goku just wants to fight strong people btw, english and especially Kai Goku aren't his real personality. Most of the enemies he fights have no technique and that psycho still enjoys it and looks to fight some more. Which is why as long as there are no insults powerscaling is fun, and for authors it holds the entire premise of the story together and cannot be ignored.
no offense, but the saitama parody scaling youre interpreting is completely and utterly delusional. eitherway, an a limitless ant can scale itself as much as it wants, its still gona drown against an ocean, and goku is an ocean in comparison. hes barely solar system level while goku is multiversal level. hes literally is just an atom compared to a star.
That pathetic character is not even a solar system level. these pathetic saitamaturds are way insane when it comes to their favorite character. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
about the "deleted the night sky" feat, if it destroyed the distand stars and/or galaxies, it couldnt be noticed until a little over4 years later because the nearest star (proxima centauri) is 4.24 light years away and thats how long it would take the light from those destroyed stars to stop reaching earth
The garou fight has revealed how saitama's powers properly works. Now that his limiter of growth has been removed he can now grow endlessly, and this growth can be exponentially be faster if he get emotional for example in the garou fight where genos' death triggered his exponential growth He's essentially a more consistent version of broly, as saitama retains his growth while broly kinda loses his after he has calmed downed. Now while saitama has the POTENTIAL to reach goku's level power IF goku lets him to, but in a serious fight the huge gap between them from the get go would just be too much resulting with goku blitzing saitama before his exponential growth even kicks in
To be fair the at the rate we have seen OP start to scale is substantially faster than DB as a whole. We just have to wait and see how far they take OP. As of now DB feats are far more and larger. I've got faith tho we'll see.
@@SuperKamiGuruu saying One Punch Man grows stronger during the fight, is a great way to say you don't even understand the most basic stuff about DBZ, and your opinion is insanely invalid.
I like people that don't even read our comments, your point is 100% valid. People who have big egos see that you praise the character that they don't like and those people try to shoot us down without understanding that we aren't downplaying Goku when we say Saitama is Multi-Galaxy level. As if that matters to DBS Goku's power in the slightest. People are illiterate and dumb and I really wish they'd keep to themselves with their illiteracy.
@@Hexis17 Kid I've been on DBZ since before you were born, your opinion is the one that's invalid LMFAO Take them Saiyan testicles out of your mouth and cope that Saitama's shown bare minimum multi galaxy levels of strength with his current power being unknown.
Oh... The one that was different. VS SAITAMA! Putting Goku up with some people are fun. Wish Sprite battles like Mario or Sonic would be put up with some. "Can he beat Goku tho?" Kid Goku vs Pre Training... ~~ Early Chapter vs 23. Ooh Early Z. Now how far does he go up. Buu Saga. ~~~ Once it becomes Super it's over. ~~~~ Why... Sad Music... The pain...
One small thing about the Cell saga being solar system level. Though its a fair place to scale them, you also can't forget that the canon guidebooks describe solar systems a bit different than real ones. They are described as galactic nebulae that contain innumerable stars (the page is actually brought up in the video). Essentially yes, you could scale Cell saga characters to solar system level, which Saitama would casually manhandle. You could also take that cosmology statement into account, and say that "innumerable" by the standards of cosmological phenomena (such as the number of stars in a galaxy, or number of galaxies in a universe.), would easily equal upper trillions, putting them well into galaxy level, which puts Cell saga characters well above what is literally shown in the OPM manga (16,500 stars destroyed.). You could also interpret "endless" to be more literal, in which case even a high balled Saitama is obviously falling short.
yeah, Death battle really doesn't like getting into the facts because they choose who wins based on the more popular character half the time, just look at Asta vs Deku, every statement that Asta had was really bad and sometimes not factual, they didn't even get into his strongest feats either, but with Deku, he was given noncannon feats and brand new scaling
I dont know where they got the db universe being 13 times the observable universe this includes afterlife and kai relams with demon realm when it has been stated to be infinite realities ontop of ininfite realities
There are many videi total that says "Final debate of goku vs saitama" but new fans keeps reigniting the flames and old flames also keeps joining that new flame so unless everyone wake up the fire is gonna keep burning
Besides saitama vs goku, I think sonic the hedgehog vs goku was and still is one of the most explosive and talked about debates over that past decade, Even now, you still have people debating wither the fastest thing alive can beat the saiyan with a pure heart awakened by rage.
It's currently probably going in Gokus favor, albeit Sonic has more hax. But they're extremely comparable in power now Until the ToP Sonic probably slams any cannon version of Goku
@@TheRealGuyThatHasAMoustache are you refering to Sonic Generations right? Well technically he didn't react to it and he only reacted to the time eater's physical form, not his ability to travel and destroy timelines. But if you're talking about 06, Shadow and Silver used the chaos emerald to create a portal to travel to the points in time, which gave them the ablity to destroy Solaris' physical form binding him to the 3rd dimension plane, meaning Sonic and Co wouldn't scale to the time hax, because they didn't run through time and space, but rather travelled with a portal. Although, even if he did, Goku does have scaling to moving faster than time, Goku black's attacks were shown to damage trunk's time machine (who travel multiverses, not universes like Solaris) in the middle of travel and not just the startup time. Furthermore it's stated that Goku surpassed Hit's timeskip which skips time by freezing a tenth of a second, then hit performs an action causing him to skip ahead to when that action occurs, so Goku would also have immeasurable speed anyway.
Really feats come down to how they disperse energy. Saitama only disperses energy in an explosive way while goku can do the same amount of energy, but not in an explosive way.
I think the most important thing that you don't take into account with this video is just the general nature of Saitama's abilities. He seems to have the ultimate form of "breaking limits" that saiyans have. We've seen saiyans get a good amount stronger in a short time (over hours and even minutes) but when Saitama starts to get stronger its exponentially faster than anything we've seen the saiyan's achieve at any point. The source of his ability seems to be the god of creation and existence itself giving him however much power he needs to win and sometimes way WAY more than he needs which is always hilarious. The more Garou grew during their fight the FASTER Saitama grew and the harder he outclassed him. So really the question is how strong is the god of everything in the OPM universe. We've seen Goku max out but we've never seen Saitama/his god patron max out so who knows. I personally lean towards Saitama being the winner with Goku coming back to challenge him again and again mostly because that would be the ultimate happy ending for them both in a way. Goku has the kind of growth that could give Saitama hope for a good fight and maybe pull him out of his depression and Goku would be hype for having an eternally stronger guy to fight. The perfect rivals
You do know that Goku went from getting no diffed by Jiren to being blatantly stronger than him in a few minutes. And at the time, Jiren was blocking multiverse power with a finger. The gap of of growth is immeasurably larger than the adaption Saitama has shown. Relatively, Saitama moves at a snail's pace
Nope.Relative to Goku’s speed of growth while in battle,Saitama’s growth rate is much slower.You could argue that even sayian saga Gohan has a faster growth rate than current saitama.Yeah there goes your argument,Goku slam.
Xeno can erase the whole universe (and so anyone in it) and gave Goku a button to summon him anytime. Doesn't matter how strong you are if you are erased from existence. You usedd a god in your argument so it's a fair move.
@@Am-fp7pn Nah, Saitama's journey is more internal, he will forever be the strongest, it doesnt matter what we learn the practical reality is that he will never loose. Which i interesting for it's own reasons, but I still have more fun watching Goku's journey.
The main thing I think is Saitama's best ability is his power growth, but going by what we have seen Broly from the super movie does goes unable to catch base Vegeta to needing gogeta blue to beat him, and he was untrained with little experience fighting other people rather than animals, That's anywhere below universal(assuming Vegeta absorbed the power of ssg like Goku did) to multiversal and possibly stronger in the span of around half a day
Multi-galaxy level would put him above anyting before SSG Gokū. But NOTHING he does could compare to the absolute insanity that is ALMOST DESTROYING THE ENTIRE MACROCOSM. A MASSIVELY high balled Boo arc Gokū would be equal to this high-balled Saitama, but only if we use the absolute dogshit that is the Boo arc anime power scaling. If we use a conservative scaling for Gokū and we high-ball Saitama, we would get Saitama beating the absolute piss out of everyone in the original Dragon Ball manga, but he loses instantly to SSG Gokū from Battle of Gods.
they punched multiple times and the macrocosm was fine the statements made about it destroying the universe are purely knowledge claims made by the characters who arent even all knowing and even then if you use those statements at face value you have to realize that its also stated that both beerus and goku would perish in their resulting effects meaning that they dont scale to it whatsoever so its more akin to a chain reaction the waves themselves get more powerful over distance
@@Am-fp7pn The macrocosm was on the verge of collapsing after 3 punches in which Gokū had to struggle to hold back his power. Him HOLDING BACK still almost destroyed Universe 7. It was not fine.
@@Am-fp7pn In the anime version? Yeah, the depiction was shit. But you gotta look at the manga. The shockwave were far more violent and the Kaiōshin realm was shaking the entire time.
Oh yeah absolutely. The first fight we see Goku in SSG where he threatened the very being of the infinite Dragon Ball universe into his base form! Saitama is absolutely not beating Goku.
And then Saitama one punches the infinite math whatever tiering you use multiverse in a fight against Super God and the cosmology suddenly gets buffed and Saitama destroys that too. Imagine how funny that’ll be.
Opm fans don't realize Goku has became an eteriel. In the end Goku's story will continue even after Saitama is done. I don't see him winning against Goku unless the creator makes him infinite at the end if his story. But we all know he losses all his powers at the end according to Morada
I don’t know bout the ending but for now saitama literally can adapt to anything and become stronger than that thing. He can even see and touch thing that should not be seen or touched
the difference is that opm is a new anime so they cant show the full extent of saitmas power. But i know in the near future, we are gonna see better feats from saitama, that will conclude the fight. It's crazy enough that he doesn't have a limiter.
Goku in battle of gods threatening a universe, in top beating a dude who surpassed his god of destruction,in manga fought moro who devours planets and drains his enemies energy. Goku in pui easily overpowered him and beat him so bad he begged for mercy. After goku gave him a senzu bean morot tried to stab him in the chest but ended up breaking his arm on goku's hardened body,gas who was the strongest in the univese held his own against ultra ego vegeta and pui goku. Goku gaining a new form of ultra Instinct true ultra Instinct became slightly stronger than gas stated by goku himself. The the best saitama would get is z goku from cell to buu saga and that's it. Super goku negs saitama so tired of the opm fanboys.
Idk what death battle is smoking but id like them to watch tour video so they can pull back on the wacky saitama gag feats. They may just do it for entertainment sake but i cant know for certain. Thank you for the video and cleaeing up misconceptions on where saitama scales to goku.
Saitama is multi-galaxy at the very highest, you literally have to be universal to even stand a chance against Goku. Goku pimp slaps the verse in SSJG.
You know what now when I come too think about it? How do form like gokus that could destroy universes in there sleep (like ultra instinct) didn’t destroy a universe by unlocking the form and fight at “full power” against jiren or even Gast in the manga does that mean they have too suppress there power too basically an infinite amount too just not obliterate a universe like what’s up with that?
Saitama vs Goku is a preheated debate but let me scale them pretty quick. Base Goku should be low complex multiversal,Or 5 to 6d. Saitama is only like what is Multi Galaxy.
tashy feats is wild considering dbz only has one instance of a character destroying a galaxy ON screen the rest of the scaling is fully contingent on character statements which you guys will take for granted
@@Am-fp7pn look at the explosion that it made it was so big that it can be seen from outside the galatic nebula amd each galaxies in dbz hold innumerable stars
@@lazerbreaker4758 its just a weird transition where the close-up of the explosion is being faded in you can literally see the rubble flying off from the planet in the explosion which wouldnt make sense unless you think namek is almost the size of a galaxy just slow down the video to 0.25
The reason Saitama does not use serious punch very often It's because serious punch at the end of his fight with cosmic It's so powerful At the beginning of the At the beginning of the At the beginning of the fight serious punches used At the beginning of the fight serious punches used Series punched in the beginning
I havent given much thought about this, and my take could be a little biased since I have never watched dragon ball but I have done a little bit of research into it. Heres my take, neither would win. let me start by talking about what Saitama can do since I am more familiar with his feats. I say this because despite what people may say about saitama he is at the end of the day a gag character and his gimmick is that he can defeat any enemy in one punch (this has been confirmed by both authors!! therefore it is not a valid argument to say that he is not a gag character). Now for fights like boros we see that it takes multiple punches in order to defeat him, here is where my own theory takes place on the matter: Saitama controls his strength. We saw in season one and in the manga that saitama was not adapting to boros like he did with cosmic fear garou and he was not in any way shape or form trying, so why would he not try against boros I mean he threatened to destroy the earth well what I think is that saitama was gauging his strength as saitama never really fought back and only threw the occasional punch while dodging blocking and weaving through boros' attacks which is not something he did with Garou as he was very offensive during that fight, now yes boros is significantly weaker than dragon ball opponents however, we also see in season one that Saitama can one punch snek (the A-class hero who has wall level feats) and snek survives. considering that lowballing it boros is 1000x stronger than snek, saitama would have to heavily restrain himself in order not to kill snek. So what do I think what happened in the garou fight? well as we know Saitama is the only thing in the one punch man universe that has broken the limiter placed on him by god (who is believed to be the main antagonist of the one punch man series), however if you take this at face value then saitama is always growing, however this appears to not be the case as he never adapts to his opponent. What I believe is saitamas strength plateaus at an unbelievably high point and only when facing god level threats (I.e. monsters that threat the extinction of the human race) his base offensive capabilities become outclassed and he must grow in order to defeat his opponent. Garou is known in the series as being able to adapt to anything and in his new god form adapts to saitama in hopes of creating a fair fight however saitama surpasses Garous adaptability despite not knowing anything about martial arts (Garou is a martial arts prodigy) and exponentially grows. Okay I talked about saitamas true strength (IN MY OPINION) enough now here is my take on why neither would win and it comes back to saitama being a gag character in a way. Saitama has never taken damage. Say what you will about goku but his series has ended and he doesn't always win like Saitam, and one punch man is still continuing but as it stands Saitama has never taken damage (actually there is one instance where a cat scratches saitama and you could argue he drew blood but it striked me as a not serious moment so yeah) anyways I believe that goku would probably be able to attack saitama for, well, forever basically. And this is giving both characters the benefit of the doubt like with saitama basically being immortal and goku not being able to kill a gag character which I have heard he has done before. Another thing is, Saitama just has more niche powers up his sleeve that goku doesn't have like being able to breathe in space or being able to fight against fourth dimensional beings, not like that last one would particularly help saitama in a 1v1 but... At the end of the day this debate will never have a clear answer because it is almost entirely up to speculation. does gokus brute force win? Or maybe saitams exponential capabilities will give him the win. but yeah, this is all my opinion so feel free to debunk this but if you want to debunk this then please use real argument instead of "goku beats saitama" or "saitama beats goku" it's kinda immature and not what I was going for.
@@HorrorGameFanatik I have a really short attention span and I read it at night, I could only go in like 1 paragraph. I tried to read it, I just couldn’t
THINK ABOUT THIS IM A UNIVERSAL + BEING I THROW A UNIVERSAL + BLAST AT YOU YOU AND THE UNIVERSE IS NO MORE AND IM NOT EVEN SCRATCHED…… THESE OTHER FOOLS DO NOT STAND A CHANCE
Goku legitimately cannot beat Saitama, because they're not playing by the same rules. Goku may have larger feats but he's also bound by the logic of his universe, whereas Saitama is not. It's like comparing the best player of a competitive video game against a dude with cheats. It doesn't matter how good the first guy is. He never had a chance against the guy who breaks the game just by existing. He never has and he never will. He just gets defeated in One Punch, man.
it because of the flashy and destructive animation of opm why they keep comparing him to goku but the fact is that goku wins and people who cant see beyond the flashy and intense animation of opm and look at the statistics will never understand
@@Tamakkiscales well i ask the question since if we say goku and vegeta scale to outerversal their base and final forms are both outerversal as the multipliers for the transformations are finite thats why i ask with saitama his potential is easy to calculate as we have a finite scale to work off of thats why this is not broly vs saitama as broly wins ez this is equal stats so im not comparing their feats just growth
stop talking about other series i havent watched yet damnit (that time i got reincarnated as a slime, etc) let me experience the characters on my own. thought this was about saitama and goku and got a long ass intro about superman gojo and slime
Before I watch the video, I'm going to say goku beats current saitama before saitama can scale to his level of power. Maybe in the future saitama can beat goku.He'd have to scale faster than the dragonball series to catch up though... lol
Yeah but to be fair Saitama during his final fight with Garou definitely outstripped the speeds we've seen Dragonball characters grow at. They break their limits and get stronger sure but Saitama was not only getting stronger but accelerating with how much faster he was getting stronger every second. Which to me indicates his ability to grow was just getting warmed up. I think they'd just end up outmatching each other forever. Its way more fun that way anyways
At the current power level we have seen Saitama, his absolute highball scales above the entire Buu Saga minus Buuhan beinf able to collapse the universe, so everyone beloe Super Vegito and enraged Buuhan would be beloe Saitama, and given his growth he should be able to clear the Buu Saga. BVS though jumps straight to universal+ so Saitama probably can't beat that xd. So above Buu Saga but below all of Super. Also damn you really understimate most of One Punch Man huh xd
Saitama is made to be the strongest...according to opm logic saitama had potential to surpass any opponent , no matter how strong the opponent.We are forgetting why writters of one punch man name it "one punch" man If somebody wants to debate with me then reply...but don't go rude or toxic😊
He is called caped baldy not one punch man and he is written to be the strongest within his verse not fiction as a whole. If an author of a series say my character can beat this character from another series, this does not automatically make them right. Robert Kirk man once said that invincible could beat hulk and a lot of people believed him meanwhile fans who read about the hulk and scaled him know that is BS and an author writing a character to be the strongest in their verse does not mean all of fiction because it is a no limits fallacy and headcanon. Anybody who claims this character is the strongest in fiction is automatically seen as an illiterate who only reads one thing. And in case people try to say 'saitama is the embodiment of all shonen tropes, therefore he is the strongest' is the dumbest thing to ever come out of a human being because breaking a trope means nothing. And people who assume one punch man is what started the parody shit have not watched gintama. That show has so much parody that it easily outplays one punch man and it has way more jokes in it and it was released before the one punch man web comic but even gintama is not considered a gag manga. And having jokes in your series does not make it a gag series.
you cant compare them because saitama is on the black list. he hasnt shown a limit, but that doesnt mean he hasnt got one. till now we know his power continues to grow, but we dont know if its infinite or if it has a limit. That is why there cant be a winner by power, although there can be a winner in feats (goku). Theoretically saitama could become 10x stronger than goku, but by current known feats goku wins.
I think buu saga goku could lose only if goku does goku things like only uses base then super saiyan and so fourth and on but the increase in power from ssj3 to ssj god would allow him to 1 tap saitama considering 50 x 50 x 50 is the power output being 125,000 and ssj 4 is 6,250,000 and ssj god is 312,000,000 only if you think a super saiyan is another 50 times then ssj blue would be 15,625,000,000 then kioken x 20 is 312,500,000,000 and super saiyan god evolved is 781,250,000,000 even with a base power of one your broken and beating super buu absorbed Gohan Piccolo Trunks Goten but if you really want it to be a douche use ui omen fights over
@lucifer61479Kid Buu is stronger than buuhan who threatened to destroy the living universe by collapsing an alternate dimension on top of it and vegeto is still stronger than him. And Goku in battle of gods is stronger than that vegeto
@Vihaan8888buu saga goku is absolutely universal. Just ss3 powering up was felt at the realm of the Kai’s, a parallel world outside the universe 7 macrocosm. Also, the guy that ss3 is going toe-to-toe with screamed out of a dimension.
They might have infinite potential but growth speed also matters. Saitama Growth speed is something That no one match. For ex Goku is saiyan he has infinite potential but his speed is fast during fight against strong enemies which when compared to Saitama is much less.
Lol he tried to give opm fans hope I'm here so too bad, Firstly if saitama did fight god and destroy the entire universe that's still caped at Universal+ to low multi which would be lower than ssj vegito 😂😂, Here's why buuhan screamed and threatened to destroy the entire universe by stacking realms on top of each other and this was going to be quick and a 1 shot and not over time as vegito was concerned and stopped him immediately, the living world which buuhan was going to destroy comprises of multiple space times making it Low multi but would overall be couple times higher than a normal space time which would be the opm verse at a high ball unless the auther states otherwise, the living world is infinite since there's too many statements to say so, so vegito at that point 1 shots since he couple times stronger and that's ignoring the fact the living world contains realms such as time chamber, dead zone which can actually be scaled to 5D as its a hyperspace, realm where guardians go to after they die which we don't know how far it scales do yh we could be looking at 6D living world the afterlife being 8D as u hav to add time on top of the living world which is an extra dimension and that's ignoring the fact there's super dimensions aswell 🤣
Yes... Buuhan threatened to destroy the universe by distorting space which would cause parallel realms to enter the universe. That's not a quantifiable feat. That's just cartoon magic.
Future saitama and past saitama fused now hrs much weaker compared to the saitama that defeated Cosmic Garou, So technically if Goku Goes Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x20 plus using ether Hakai or Dragon Fist And saitama gets hits by it then he's dead lol, saitama is a character similar to saiyan as he fights he slowly gets stronger but what if Goku Goes Max Transformation plus stacking Techniques to the max and hitting saitama with a Powerful lethal attack from the start of s1 opm then he's totally dead🤣
Saitamas potentia>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Goku Cope he has the potential the surpass goku But currently saitama peaks at buu saga lvl and gets slammed by base super goku
I find this a very good opinion on the matter, but I do believe that if the fight between the two lasted longer than 5 minutes, it would be Saitama's win due to his inherit ability to grow during a fight as shown with the Garou fight. and since Goku is known to let others power up before finishing them, Saitama might actually have ample time. also I don't think Goku and fart Jupiter out of existence
See the problem with the "saitama strength growth" argument, is that in order for Multi-solar/multi-galaxy level saitama to reach infinite-sized-universe destroying Goku he would literally have to get infinitely stronger, something he has not demonstrated the capacity to do.
Come on man. Isn't one punch just a well drawn gag hero. The basis of his power is ridiculous. Comically ridiculous. He's the strongest from such a way makes him a plot armor hero. Here's Goku on the other hand. Dedicated to training and taking savings the world seriously. Saitama's attitude is so I'm playing dumb for no reason. Like he doesn't understand the situation then turns it on like a light switch. I don't like it. Goku in a easy win. Krillen whips Saitama very in a very uneventful way. Now if put together in a anime, you know Goku and him would chill together Goku invites Saitama over for dinner. Then loses a eating contest with Goku woth Goku not even trying.
Nah Man. Don’t think that you can call rational individuals delusional and get away with it 🫵🏼💀 Why is everyone so biased that they fail to realize that Saitama has literally no limits when it comes to scaling? It would only take one punch from MUI Goku for Saitama to overcome Goku’s levels in a matter of seconds, as proven in the manga against Garou. It is simple logic. Y’all just compare feats without realizing that a fight doesn’t depends exclusively by those, obviously Goku in his current state is beyond OPM, but it’s all about who would scale victorious in an encounter You thought that was it 🫵🏼💀 For the argument that Goku would just need a serious blow at the start to destroy Saitama, Garou literally copied Saitama’s strength and landed many blows at him, showcasing that Saitama did not really flinch at his same level of raw power. This means that his durability is an extremely different breed when compared to his strength increase. Now you can argue that Saitama’s durability never faced Goku’s kind of full strength yet, but exactly because we do not know Saitama’s limits, nobody can claim that Goku has the win either
Personally i hate this debate because there is no right answer. Goku wins if you only look at the feats shown in their respective series, however saitama wins if based on writing since saitama has 100% winrate in fighting since is written to always win while goku has lost multiple times. Its literally superman vs goku argument again; Writing vs Feats
Even as a fan of both and more, so an OPM fan... I know Goku wins...(for now 😈 new stuff from the manga 😈)... This was an extremely enjoyable video with very good scaling... Just one mistake... You said Saitama will never have Martial arts... That's a little wrong... Yes, he won't train to have one that he'll then stick to in fights... But from his Garou fight, we are clearly shown that he can deal with characters who possess the best martial arts in the universe created by fusing all martial arts... then later on on i.o the moon of Jupiter... Garou explicitly stated that Saitama had started using his own perfected martial arts against him, as if he were mocking Martial Arts... Which is crazy... So yes, Goku has better abilities and all and could win in an equal stats... but the Martial arts part is not so strong, since Saitama has actual feats and statements of being able to just up and replicate a martial arts created from fusing all over 100 martial arts in OPM plus one with the understanding of all energies in the universe... And he just copied it like it was nothing and started using it to beat the creator. I think that was the only mistake you made... other than that. Everything was accurate... Oh... yea... Saitama can survive in space, breathe, talk, and even sneeze/crack jokes.
I don't think Saitama was forced to use a Serious Punch from what I remember. He still does call Boros "almost a fight" though.
Also goated video.
Even if not "forced" forced, Ithink it was "called for" in the sense that a normal punch wouldn't necessarily have ended Boros.
Serious was unnecessary, so not forced but also not less than 1% or something.
What we can be sure about is that it was nothing compared to the Serious Punch(^2 literally or x2 not sure) against Garou. Because if it was the "same" serious punch, it would extend far beyond compared to just the atmosphere. Serious punch^2 might have reached thousands of stars.
@@ayushdeshmukh284 Yeah, but we can also say Saitama himself isn't anywhere near the level he's at during the SP^2 because not only does he naturally grow in power as time goes on, but he was also enraged and possibly bloodlusted when he threw the SP that was part of the SP^2 because.
Saitama has a move where he goes back in time and hits his opponents past self and it is undodgeable that's an instant win for Saitama as he can just go back to when goku was a baby and beat the ever living crap out of him.
@@TheRealGuyThatHasAMoustache Except Saitama's only ever shown to be able to time travel a very short amount of time.
@@TheRealGuyThatHasAMoustachewhat I thought he went back in time bc of blast wth r u talking abt?
Basically, people tend to lowball Goku because most of his feats are visually unimpressive. His absurd power mostly has to be established through statements and scaling.
Meanwhile Saitama feels more powerful than Goku to the average anime fan because his franchise generally has way better art quality and fight choreography.
Yeah i agree about this
People love to say "Dragonball has no feats its all statements" like no shit otherwise the universe would be destroyed every single battle. But the whole concept with power in Dragonball is controlling your Ki that was the whole point of Goku learning to control SSJ God so he didnt destroy everything
this nigga never broke shit but some bones 🤒🤒 i have never seen goku use a special move, or a punch, or a technique that destroyed a galaxy in one shot. he can be as strong as you want him to be but i have definitely seen superman and thor and saint seiya and all types of powerful characters stronger than saitama do crazy shit. goku has not done anything on panel crazier than saitama. "goku scales higher" i dont give a single flying fucking fadoodle. show me a panel of his destructive capability.
@@fishnutz5196 "controlling your ki" 💀💀💀 you can admit that goku is strong enough to fight and hurt strong people without telling me he could destroy a galaxy with zero *on panel* feats that even come close to that 💀
@@tnsxpm you clearly didnt read or watch the battle of gods arc.... literally stated and SHOWN him mastering the ki control in order to not destroy the universe.
No one in Saitama is at Goku's level. People used to say ssj3 Goku caps at star level and Saitama is equal to him........... People are crazy. Goku's energy while powering up to ssj3 reached and shocked Gohan, Shin and Kibito. They were shocked to see his power can reach there. The otherworld is transcendental to the living world which contains dimensions that cannot be perceived by the human beings. And is completely separate space-time. The kaioshin realm which revolves around the universe 7 as a moon considers living World as a lower realm. And ssj3 power reached the kaioshin realm is crazy. This is Z. I don't get why Goku vs Saitama is a thing at all. The power or AP difference is huge like not even funny. In db verse raw power negates durability and haxes.
And I will get clowned for saying this but whatever. Ignorance is crazy
@@achiyanmondal5058 I mean we can't know what it will actually be like since we haven't seen Saitama be pushed so far as to get angry or actually serious in a fight. So goku will of course win by feats.
@@SpedSukuna I get ur point. Maybe at the end of series- Saitama could reach universal or multiversal, but u know how Saitama fans are. But the debate between him and Goku isn't even close
@@achiyanmondal5058 I have been guilty of being a toxic fan, But I've cleared up.
@@SpedSukuna u don't have to. there are worse fanboys
My soul can now finally rest. Thank you.
Thinking about it. Goku obliterates saitama. Goku can destroy entire galaxies with ease. Saitama to his credit, saitama can rise to unlimited levels. But so can goku.
Goku could run out of ki but I don't watch enough dragon ball to know
@@clashroyale-yl4ecI watched the anime and Goku can run out of ki but it takes a long time and Goku almost destroying the universe was real in the battle of gods movie he nearly destroyed the universe by clashing with beerus
Why this is even a thing at all
So facts
Coz opm fans think their MC solos fiction
This debate sucks. OPM Mosquito VS DBZ Rock is THE battle of the century.
I'm glad that you high-balled Saitama because, even when he has the benefit of the doubt, he loses to anything after Z if you low-ball Kid Buu or don't mention Janemba.
Also : "I love people that don't read, doesn't everybody?"
Great video, I agree with your points.
My only counter point is that Saitama as a parody character seems to be a joke metaphor for wasted limitless potential. In the same way that he grew when fighting Garou, he would also grow while fighting Goku and eventually out-scale him in a few moments. But that's only because the punchline of Saitama, as I interpret him, is that he wins the fight no matter what. Not because of logic or numbers, it's just his character. The author baits the reader by building up the big-bad to be a threat so that the reader wonders "what if Saitama loses?" Only for him to win so they can say "oh yea,of course he does lol what was i thinking?"
Goku isn't that. He can lose, he has lost, he has crazy potential but it (usually) requires months of training. He'd probably develop a new form, Super Ultra Instinct or something, and still lose to Saitama.
Actually now that I think about it: Goku would consider it a loss period because Saitama is trash at fighting. There would be no fun in it for Goku.
Anyway, my two cents on an old video. Cheers.
ofc. problem with goku. but ppl doesnt realize is that, goku needs fo focus his ki. idc how goku is multiversal. but if laser gun can even hurt him, thats a huge problem. because
1. laser is moving at light speed but ppl say base goku is hundreds time speed of light. and ofc he isnt at base form. he is at frekin blue form. that multiplies his power to gajiliooon of speed of light
2. goku durability is questionable. can he face his own attack?
saitama doesnt need all of this. even with his base, face seriouspunchx2 to the face, he doesnt even hurt or anything. he also doesnt need oxygen cuz he can breath in space lol.
but i do agree that current saitama will lose to goku.
"In the same way that he grew when fighting Garou, he would also grow while fighting Goku and eventually out-scale him in a few moments" This is good.
Not in moments, he has never done it, against a single enemy. IF this was the case Garou would have been slapped unconscious 5 times over after less than 10 panels. Saitama grows stronger but not that fast.
"But that's only because the punchline of Saitama, as I interpret him, is that he wins the fight no matter what. Not because of logic or numbers, it's just his character." This is bad on the other hand, is bad. Really bad. How exactly does Goku not do the exact same thing as Saitama at that point? Let me rephrase it with your words.
My only counter point is that Goku as a shounen character seems to be a metaphor for limitless potential who will always somehow win in the end. In the same way that he grew when fighting Frieza or any of the masters in DB, he would also grow while fighting Saitama and eventually out-scale him in a few moments, as he does against multiple enemies such as Jiren or King Piccolo. But that's only because the punchline of Goku, as I interpret him, is that he wins the fight no matter what. Not because of logic or numbers, it's just his character. The author baits the reader by building up the big-bad to be a threat so that the reader wonders "what if Goku loses?" Only for him to win by training, unlocking a new form or powering up, or still win indirectly so they can say "oh yea, of course he does lol what was i thinking, isn't Goku the strongest fighter of all?"
Saitama isn't that. He hasn't always won with one punch, he has never fought an opponent more powerful than himself, he has crazy potential but it (usually) is never shown. He'd probably develop a new serious punch, Super Ultra Fart or something, and still lose to Goku.
Goku just wants to fight strong people btw, english and especially Kai Goku aren't his real personality. Most of the enemies he fights have no technique and that psycho still enjoys it and looks to fight some more.
Which is why as long as there are no insults powerscaling is fun, and for authors it holds the entire premise of the story together and cannot be ignored.
no offense, but the saitama parody scaling youre interpreting is completely and utterly delusional.
eitherway, an a limitless ant can scale itself as much as it wants, its still gona drown against an ocean, and goku is an ocean in comparison. hes barely solar system level while goku is multiversal level. hes literally is just an atom compared to a star.
Saitama being around Buu saga goku level sounds pretty reasonable tbh
That's exactly where I would put him. Potential to scale higher as time go on.
That pathetic character is not even a solar system level. these pathetic saitamaturds are way insane when it comes to their favorite character. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Buu saga ssj3 goku is universe level
@lazerbreaker4758 probably ssj1 goku namek saga level
@@Gustavo_The_G.O.A.T weaker but yes he is on that level
Awesome video bro it was great 👍
OPM fans after watching the video: "That doesn't prove anything! 😠"
FR saitama fanboys needa touch some grass tbh
*prove
@@marceljr5081 This is like the pot calling the kettle black
about the "deleted the night sky" feat, if it destroyed the distand stars and/or galaxies, it couldnt be noticed until a little over4 years later because the nearest star (proxima centauri) is 4.24 light years away and thats how long it would take the light from those destroyed stars to stop reaching earth
you proved my point now iam going to send this link to my friends to destroy their believes thanks
The garou fight has revealed how saitama's powers properly works. Now that his limiter of growth has been removed he can now grow endlessly, and this growth can be exponentially be faster if he get emotional for example in the garou fight where genos' death triggered his exponential growth
He's essentially a more consistent version of broly, as saitama retains his growth while broly kinda loses his after he has calmed downed. Now while saitama has the POTENTIAL to reach goku's level power IF goku lets him to, but in a serious fight the huge gap between them from the get go would just be too much resulting with goku blitzing saitama before his exponential growth even kicks in
To be fair the at the rate we have seen OP start to scale is substantially faster than DB as a whole. We just have to wait and see how far they take OP. As of now DB feats are far more and larger. I've got faith tho we'll see.
Dragon ball is gonna get outdated
@@Ctgfsuper good joke
not even close lol. dbz and db super power gaps is laughably larger than anything in OPM.
If your are talking about "who can defeat Goku" then there is only one solid answer that is Chi Chi yes only chi chi can defeat Goku😅
boros is most certainly planet level. saitama is multi galactic as well
He's at best galaxy not multi. Meaning super buu just screaming wins with no effort
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 multi galaxy* plus he continuously grew stronger literally after that post landing on IO.
@@SuperKamiGuruu saying One Punch Man grows stronger during the fight, is a great way to say you don't even understand the most basic stuff about DBZ, and your opinion is insanely invalid.
I like people that don't even read our comments, your point is 100% valid. People who have big egos see that you praise the character that they don't like and those people try to shoot us down without understanding that we aren't downplaying Goku when we say Saitama is Multi-Galaxy level. As if that matters to DBS Goku's power in the slightest.
People are illiterate and dumb and I really wish they'd keep to themselves with their illiteracy.
@@Hexis17 Kid I've been on DBZ since before you were born, your opinion is the one that's invalid LMFAO Take them Saiyan testicles out of your mouth and cope that Saitama's shown bare minimum multi galaxy levels of strength with his current power being unknown.
Oh...
The one that was different.
VS SAITAMA!
Putting Goku up with some people are fun.
Wish Sprite battles like Mario or Sonic would be put up with some.
"Can he beat Goku tho?"
Kid Goku vs Pre Training...
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Early Chapter vs 23.
Ooh Early Z.
Now how far does he go up.
Buu Saga.
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Once it becomes Super it's over.
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Why...
Sad Music...
The pain...
One small thing about the Cell saga being solar system level. Though its a fair place to scale them, you also can't forget that the canon guidebooks describe solar systems a bit different than real ones. They are described as galactic nebulae that contain innumerable stars (the page is actually brought up in the video). Essentially yes, you could scale Cell saga characters to solar system level, which Saitama would casually manhandle. You could also take that cosmology statement into account, and say that "innumerable" by the standards of cosmological phenomena (such as the number of stars in a galaxy, or number of galaxies in a universe.), would easily equal upper trillions, putting them well into galaxy level, which puts Cell saga characters well above what is literally shown in the OPM manga (16,500 stars destroyed.). You could also interpret "endless" to be more literal, in which case even a high balled Saitama is obviously falling short.
4:22 that shows the control
Saitama is just throwing all his power. But goku can concentrate that power and control it to minimise destruction😊😊😊
Death Battle could've given Goku just one win over Superman. But no, they think they know best.
That was prior to Ultra Instinct, THAT Goku, can possibly win against him
That was due to DB doing the stupid thing of fusing every Super Man together rather than picking the strongest super man that isn't using toon force.
They lowballed goku and wanked superman
yeah, Death battle really doesn't like getting into the facts because they choose who wins based on the more popular character half the time, just look at Asta vs Deku, every statement that Asta had was really bad and sometimes not factual, they didn't even get into his strongest feats either, but with Deku, he was given noncannon feats and brand new scaling
I dont know where they got the db universe being 13 times the observable universe this includes afterlife and kai relams with demon realm when it has been stated to be infinite realities ontop of ininfite realities
W Lonk vid the way you covered the Hole Feat was accurate, really good, and probably the best take on said feat I have seen on TH-cam or Tiktok
Cell saga Goku slames Saitama and every one else he mentions in this vid btw amazing vid keep up the amazing work
There are many videi total that says "Final debate of goku vs saitama" but new fans keeps reigniting the flames and old flames also keeps joining that new flame so unless everyone wake up the fire is gonna keep burning
Besides saitama vs goku, I think sonic the hedgehog vs goku was and still is one of the most explosive and talked about debates over that past decade, Even now, you still have people debating wither the fastest thing alive can beat the saiyan with a pure heart awakened by rage.
Its a good debate unless its archie sonic
It's currently probably going in Gokus favor, albeit Sonic has more hax. But they're extremely comparable in power now
Until the ToP Sonic probably slams any cannon version of Goku
Sonic once moved faster then time itself.
@@TheRealGuyThatHasAMoustache are you refering to Sonic Generations right? Well technically he didn't react to it and he only reacted to the time eater's physical form, not his ability to travel and destroy timelines. But if you're talking about 06, Shadow and Silver used the chaos emerald to create a portal to travel to the points in time, which gave them the ablity to destroy Solaris' physical form binding him to the 3rd dimension plane, meaning Sonic and Co wouldn't scale to the time hax, because they didn't run through time and space, but rather travelled with a portal. Although, even if he did, Goku does have scaling to moving faster than time, Goku black's attacks were shown to damage trunk's time machine (who travel multiverses, not universes like Solaris) in the middle of travel and not just the startup time. Furthermore it's stated that Goku surpassed Hit's timeskip which skips time by freezing a tenth of a second, then hit performs an action causing him to skip ahead to when that action occurs, so Goku would also have immeasurable speed anyway.
Sonic obliterates
*funny and clever comment*
I laughed at this funny and clever comment
@@No-idea-tbhme too and clever comment
LMAO SUCH A CLEVER COMMENT💀
*funny and clever reply*
What do you think of the most recent chapter of OPM and Void's current scaling? Do you think it changes the Goku vs Saitama debate at all?
To be honest, it does not really change the result
nope.
Really feats come down to how they disperse energy. Saitama only disperses energy in an explosive way while goku can do the same amount of energy, but not in an explosive way.
No
@@shirosatsuma4946 No? Fuck you mean n- bruh you really out here tryna get yo ass beat talking all that shit
@@shirosatsuma4946no what?
@@idk._.636 his comment is just wrong
@@shirosatsuma4946Your comment is even worse
I think the most important thing that you don't take into account with this video is just the general nature of Saitama's abilities. He seems to have the ultimate form of "breaking limits" that saiyans have. We've seen saiyans get a good amount stronger in a short time (over hours and even minutes) but when Saitama starts to get stronger its exponentially faster than anything we've seen the saiyan's achieve at any point.
The source of his ability seems to be the god of creation and existence itself giving him however much power he needs to win and sometimes way WAY more than he needs which is always hilarious. The more Garou grew during their fight the FASTER Saitama grew and the harder he outclassed him. So really the question is how strong is the god of everything in the OPM universe. We've seen Goku max out but we've never seen Saitama/his god patron max out so who knows.
I personally lean towards Saitama being the winner with Goku coming back to challenge him again and again mostly because that would be the ultimate happy ending for them both in a way. Goku has the kind of growth that could give Saitama hope for a good fight and maybe pull him out of his depression and Goku would be hype for having an eternally stronger guy to fight. The perfect rivals
You do know that Goku went from getting no diffed by Jiren to being blatantly stronger than him in a few minutes. And at the time, Jiren was blocking multiverse power with a finger. The gap of of growth is immeasurably larger than the adaption Saitama has shown. Relatively, Saitama moves at a snail's pace
Nope.Relative to Goku’s speed of growth while in battle,Saitama’s growth rate is much slower.You could argue that even sayian saga Gohan has a faster growth rate than current saitama.Yeah there goes your argument,Goku slam.
This is exactly what I think lol
Xeno can erase the whole universe (and so anyone in it) and gave Goku a button to summon him anytime.
Doesn't matter how strong you are if you are erased from existence.
You usedd a god in your argument so it's a fair move.
@@thegreat7878 Arguably, while i agree with this, after the initial power up, it plateaus and doesn't then go up in the same fight. Goku isn't Broly.
Random character: Look how strong he is!
Goku: Look how strong he is becoming!
That's why Goku is more interesting for me.
well that also goes for saitama, we are discovering more about him and his powers as time goes on
@@Am-fp7pn Nah, Saitama's journey is more internal, he will forever be the strongest, it doesnt matter what we learn the practical reality is that he will never loose. Which i interesting for it's own reasons, but I still have more fun watching Goku's journey.
Great video!
The main thing I think is Saitama's best ability is his power growth, but going by what we have seen Broly from the super movie does goes unable to catch base Vegeta to needing gogeta blue to beat him, and he was untrained with little experience fighting other people rather than animals, That's anywhere below universal(assuming Vegeta absorbed the power of ssg like Goku did) to multiversal and possibly stronger in the span of around half a day
Multi-galaxy level would put him above anyting before SSG Gokū. But NOTHING he does could compare to the absolute insanity that is ALMOST DESTROYING THE ENTIRE MACROCOSM. A MASSIVELY high balled Boo arc Gokū would be equal to this high-balled Saitama, but only if we use the absolute dogshit that is the Boo arc anime power scaling. If we use a conservative scaling for Gokū and we high-ball Saitama, we would get Saitama beating the absolute piss out of everyone in the original Dragon Ball manga, but he loses instantly to SSG Gokū from Battle of Gods.
they punched multiple times and the macrocosm was fine
the statements made about it destroying the universe are purely knowledge claims made by the characters who arent even all knowing
and even then if you use those statements at face value you have to realize that its also stated that both beerus and goku would perish in their resulting effects meaning that they dont scale to it whatsoever
so its more akin to a chain reaction
the waves themselves get more powerful over distance
@@Am-fp7pn The macrocosm was on the verge of collapsing after 3 punches in which Gokū had to struggle to hold back his power. Him HOLDING BACK still almost destroyed Universe 7. It was not fine.
@@ChefMonke07 all we saw were some planets getting destroyed so in the grand scheme of things it was more or less fine
@@Am-fp7pn In the anime version? Yeah, the depiction was shit. But you gotta look at the manga. The shockwave were far more violent and the Kaiōshin realm was shaking the entire time.
"Maybe the entire Universe"? Did you watch DBS?
Goku base form slams saitama
Oh yeah absolutely. The first fight we see Goku in SSG where he threatened the very being of the infinite Dragon Ball universe into his base form! Saitama is absolutely not beating Goku.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@qadirnadeem9582 What's so funny about it? It's true based off of the video you're commenting on.
@qadirnadeem9582 disagree? Sure go ahead tell me why you disagree and Ill annihilate your argument
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Saitama solos
And then Saitama one punches the infinite math whatever tiering you use multiverse in a fight against Super God and the cosmology suddenly gets buffed and Saitama destroys that too.
Imagine how funny that’ll be.
that'd be a big F U from One (opm's writer) to all dbz fans, and he might be petty enough to do it 🤣
Opm fans don't realize Goku has became an eteriel. In the end Goku's story will continue even after Saitama is done. I don't see him winning against Goku unless the creator makes him infinite at the end if his story. But we all know he losses all his powers at the end according to Morada
I don’t know bout the ending but for now saitama literally can adapt to anything and become stronger than that thing. He can even see and touch thing that should not be seen or touched
@@royistheboi2638 sure.
@@royistheboi2638saitama is nothing compared to goku base every opm fan has to accept it
@@royistheboi2638And Goku is able to destroy hit's pocket dimension
What the fuck is eteriel
Goss actual scaling but what about the "herp deep gag bla bla 1 punch is literal"
Snark aside great vid man
*I'm a saitama fan bcuz i want it to beat goku* 🤡
*I'm a saitama fan bcuz i love the manga* 🗿
the difference is that opm is a new anime so they cant show the full extent of saitmas power. But i know in the near future, we are gonna see better feats from saitama, that will conclude the fight. It's crazy enough that he doesn't have a limiter.
Goku in battle of gods threatening a universe, in top beating a dude who surpassed his god of destruction,in manga fought moro who devours planets and drains his enemies energy. Goku in pui easily overpowered him and beat him so bad he begged for mercy. After goku gave him a senzu bean morot tried to stab him in the chest but ended up breaking his arm on goku's hardened body,gas who was the strongest in the univese held his own against ultra ego vegeta and pui goku. Goku gaining a new form of ultra Instinct true ultra Instinct became slightly stronger than gas stated by goku himself. The the best saitama would get is z goku from cell to buu saga and that's it. Super goku negs saitama so tired of the opm fanboys.
Base Goku slams. Even Buuhan does.
Idk what death battle is smoking but id like them to watch tour video so they can pull back on the wacky saitama gag feats. They may just do it for entertainment sake but i cant know for certain. Thank you for the video and cleaeing up misconceptions on where saitama scales to goku.
Saitama is multi-galaxy at the very highest, you literally have to be universal to even stand a chance against Goku. Goku pimp slaps the verse in SSJG.
same saitama thats gonna go up against god whos verbatim stated higher dimensional? word
@@Am-fp7pnAnd Saitama has not even faced god yet so what is your point?
You know what now when I come too think about it? How do form like gokus that could destroy universes in there sleep (like ultra instinct) didn’t destroy a universe by unlocking the form and fight at “full power” against jiren or even Gast in the manga does that mean they have too suppress there power too basically an infinite amount too just not obliterate a universe like what’s up with that?
Saitama vs Goku is a preheated debate but let me scale them pretty quick. Base Goku should be low complex multiversal,Or 5 to 6d. Saitama is only like what is Multi Galaxy.
goku is just multi, nothing in the series suggests 6d thats xeno goku territory
Multi galaxy is very HIGH ball
OPM fanboys literally repeat the same trashy feats a trillion times over and over again lol
tashy feats is wild considering dbz only has one instance of a character destroying a galaxy ON screen
the rest of the scaling is fully contingent on character statements which you guys will take for granted
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Isn't the namik explosion bigger then what saitama and garou did
its not, the galaxy was still in one piece
@@Am-fp7pn look at the explosion that it made it was so big that it can be seen from outside the galatic nebula amd each galaxies in dbz hold innumerable stars
@@lazerbreaker4758 its just a weird transition where the close-up of the explosion is being faded in
you can literally see the rubble flying off from the planet in the explosion which wouldnt make sense unless you think namek is almost the size of a galaxy
just slow down the video to 0.25
@@Am-fp7pn debri can get flung you know
The reason Saitama does not use serious punch very often It's because serious punch at the end of his fight with cosmic It's so powerful At the beginning of the At the beginning of the At the beginning of the fight serious punches used At the beginning of the fight serious punches used Series punched in the beginning
Good video but why last part was so dramatic 😂
I havent given much thought about this, and my take could be a little biased since I have never watched dragon ball but I have done a little bit of research into it.
Heres my take, neither would win. let me start by talking about what Saitama can do since I am more familiar with his feats. I say this because despite what people may say about saitama he is at the end of the day a gag character and his gimmick is that he can defeat any enemy in one punch (this has been confirmed by both authors!! therefore it is not a valid argument to say that he is not a gag character). Now for fights like boros we see that it takes multiple punches in order to defeat him, here is where my own theory takes place on the matter: Saitama controls his strength. We saw in season one and in the manga that saitama was not adapting to boros like he did with cosmic fear garou and he was not in any way shape or form trying, so why would he not try against boros I mean he threatened to destroy the earth well what I think is that saitama was gauging his strength as saitama never really fought back and only threw the occasional punch while dodging blocking and weaving through boros' attacks which is not something he did with Garou as he was very offensive during that fight, now yes boros is significantly weaker than dragon ball opponents however, we also see in season one that Saitama can one punch snek (the A-class hero who has wall level feats) and snek survives. considering that lowballing it boros is 1000x stronger than snek, saitama would have to heavily restrain himself in order not to kill snek. So what do I think what happened in the garou fight? well as we know Saitama is the only thing in the one punch man universe that has broken the limiter placed on him by god (who is believed to be the main antagonist of the one punch man series), however if you take this at face value then saitama is always growing, however this appears to not be the case as he never adapts to his opponent. What I believe is saitamas strength plateaus at an unbelievably high point and only when facing god level threats (I.e. monsters that threat the extinction of the human race) his base offensive capabilities become outclassed and he must grow in order to defeat his opponent. Garou is known in the series as being able to adapt to anything and in his new god form adapts to saitama in hopes of creating a fair fight however saitama surpasses Garous adaptability despite not knowing anything about martial arts (Garou is a martial arts prodigy) and exponentially grows.
Okay I talked about saitamas true strength (IN MY OPINION) enough now here is my take on why neither would win and it comes back to saitama being a gag character in a way. Saitama has never taken damage. Say what you will about goku but his series has ended and he doesn't always win like Saitam, and one punch man is still continuing but as it stands Saitama has never taken damage (actually there is one instance where a cat scratches saitama and you could argue he drew blood but it striked me as a not serious moment so yeah) anyways I believe that goku would probably be able to attack saitama for, well, forever basically. And this is giving both characters the benefit of the doubt like with saitama basically being immortal and goku not being able to kill a gag character which I have heard he has done before. Another thing is, Saitama just has more niche powers up his sleeve that goku doesn't have like being able to breathe in space or being able to fight against fourth dimensional beings, not like that last one would particularly help saitama in a 1v1 but...
At the end of the day this debate will never have a clear answer because it is almost entirely up to speculation. does gokus brute force win? Or maybe saitams exponential capabilities will give him the win. but yeah, this is all my opinion so feel free to debunk this but if you want to debunk this then please use real argument instead of "goku beats saitama" or "saitama beats goku" it's kinda immature and not what I was going for.
add a tl;dr please my eyes hurt 😭
@@TheGrimReaper19 yeah I guess I did make it a little long, my apologies. But if you don't want to read it then don't respond.
@@HorrorGameFanatik I have a really short attention span and I read it at night, I could only go in like 1 paragraph. I tried to read it, I just couldn’t
One goofy ninja boi with uni+ feats out here destroying powerscaling in a single manga issue lmao
Yeah. Fits them right
THINK ABOUT THIS IM A UNIVERSAL + BEING I THROW A UNIVERSAL + BLAST AT YOU YOU AND THE UNIVERSE IS NO MORE AND IM NOT EVEN SCRATCHED…… THESE OTHER FOOLS DO NOT STAND A CHANCE
with equal stats saitama would eventually win due to his growth mid battle, but with how things are right now in scaling, saitama lacks too much stats
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Goku legitimately cannot beat Saitama, because they're not playing by the same rules.
Goku may have larger feats but he's also bound by the logic of his universe, whereas Saitama is not. It's like comparing the best player of a competitive video game against a dude with cheats. It doesn't matter how good the first guy is. He never had a chance against the guy who breaks the game just by existing. He never has and he never will.
He just gets defeated in One Punch, man.
HE SAID THE LINE 15:31
it because of the flashy and destructive animation of opm why they keep comparing him to goku but the fact is that goku wins and people who cant see beyond the flashy and intense animation of opm and look at the statistics will never understand
Its simple. OPM fans are hard headed.
Broly vs saitama equal stats who has the most potential that be a cool video
Broly wtf without a doubt
@@Tamakkiscales well i ask the question since if we say goku and vegeta scale to outerversal their base and final forms are both outerversal as the multipliers for the transformations are finite thats why i ask with saitama his potential is easy to calculate as we have a finite scale to work off of thats why this is not broly vs saitama as broly wins ez this is equal stats so im not comparing their feats just growth
increase volume next time please
Correct answer✅️
stop talking about other series i havent watched yet damnit (that time i got reincarnated as a slime, etc) let me experience the characters on my own. thought this was about saitama and goku and got a long ass intro about superman gojo and slime
I think kid buu is stronger then Saitama because kid buu has destroyed galaxys when Saitama can destroy suns
Before I watch the video, I'm going to say goku beats current saitama before saitama can scale to his level of power. Maybe in the future saitama can beat goku.He'd have to scale faster than the dragonball series to catch up though... lol
Yeah but to be fair Saitama during his final fight with Garou definitely outstripped the speeds we've seen Dragonball characters grow at. They break their limits and get stronger sure but Saitama was not only getting stronger but accelerating with how much faster he was getting stronger every second. Which to me indicates his ability to grow was just getting warmed up. I think they'd just end up outmatching each other forever. Its way more fun that way anyways
true but i think we can all agree that starting the debate in the first place was stupid
At the current power level we have seen Saitama, his absolute highball scales above the entire Buu Saga minus Buuhan beinf able to collapse the universe, so everyone beloe Super Vegito and enraged Buuhan would be beloe Saitama, and given his growth he should be able to clear the Buu Saga. BVS though jumps straight to universal+ so Saitama probably can't beat that xd. So above Buu Saga but below all of Super. Also damn you really understimate most of One Punch Man huh xd
Let’s not forget that Saitama cannot fly so how does he even compete with Z fighters.
Goku solo😊
heres the right response to "saitama slams goku"
ok
real vid, y do i still see ppl saying saitama can destroy galaxies. where tf does it show him destroying a galaxy
Saitama is made to be the strongest...according to opm logic saitama had potential to surpass any opponent , no matter how strong the opponent.We are forgetting why writters of one punch man name it "one punch" man
If somebody wants to debate with me then reply...but don't go rude or toxic😊
He is called caped baldy not one punch man and he is written to be the strongest within his verse not fiction as a whole. If an author of a series say my character can beat this character from another series, this does not automatically make them right. Robert Kirk man once said that invincible could beat hulk and a lot of people believed him meanwhile fans who read about the hulk and scaled him know that is BS and an author writing a character to be the strongest in their verse does not mean all of fiction because it is a no limits fallacy and headcanon. Anybody who claims this character is the strongest in fiction is automatically seen as an illiterate who only reads one thing. And in case people try to say 'saitama is the embodiment of all shonen tropes, therefore he is the strongest' is the dumbest thing to ever come out of a human being because breaking a trope means nothing. And people who assume one punch man is what started the parody shit have not watched gintama. That show has so much parody that it easily outplays one punch man and it has way more jokes in it and it was released before the one punch man web comic but even gintama is not considered a gag manga. And having jokes in your series does not make it a gag series.
This shit fire asf bro I’m high asf rn eating panda and god these videos are like what watching lion fights in a colosseum are to Romans is to me
My opinion is that Goku looses but Vegeta and other cruel characters, especially freeza wins due to fighting style
I think this because I'm pretty sure Punch guy Gaines exponential power as he fights
If Goku were to fight with food motivation punch guy dies
you cant compare them because saitama is on the black list. he hasnt shown a limit, but that doesnt mean he hasnt got one. till now we know his power continues to grow, but we dont know if its infinite or if it has a limit. That is why there cant be a winner by power, although there can be a winner in feats (goku). Theoretically saitama could become 10x stronger than goku, but by current known feats goku wins.
I think buu saga goku could lose only if goku does goku things like only uses base then super saiyan and so fourth and on but the increase in power from ssj3 to ssj god would allow him to 1 tap saitama considering 50 x 50 x 50 is the power output being 125,000 and ssj 4 is 6,250,000 and ssj god is 312,000,000 only if you think a super saiyan is another 50 times then ssj blue would be 15,625,000,000 then kioken x 20 is 312,500,000,000 and super saiyan god evolved is 781,250,000,000 even with a base power of one your broken and beating super buu absorbed Gohan Piccolo Trunks Goten but if you really want it to be a douche use ui omen fights over
buu saga goku is above universal while saitama caps at galaxy
@lucifer61479Kid Buu is stronger than buuhan who threatened to destroy the living universe by collapsing an alternate dimension on top of it and vegeto is still stronger than him. And Goku in battle of gods is stronger than that vegeto
@Vihaan8888buu saga goku is absolutely universal. Just ss3 powering up was felt at the realm of the Kai’s, a parallel world outside the universe 7 macrocosm. Also, the guy that ss3 is going toe-to-toe with screamed out of a dimension.
Do Jesus vs goku
Also people saying saitama has infinite potential when 50% of everyone in dbs has unlimited potential so like what is wrong with these opm fans
They might have infinite potential but growth speed also matters. Saitama Growth speed is something That no one match. For ex Goku is saiyan he has infinite potential but his speed is fast during fight against strong enemies which when compared to Saitama is much less.
Lol he tried to give opm fans hope I'm here so too bad,
Firstly if saitama did fight god and destroy the entire universe that's still caped at Universal+ to low multi which would be lower than ssj vegito 😂😂,
Here's why buuhan screamed and threatened to destroy the entire universe by stacking realms on top of each other and this was going to be quick and a 1 shot and not over time as vegito was concerned and stopped him immediately, the living world which buuhan was going to destroy comprises of multiple space times making it Low multi but would overall be couple times higher than a normal space time which would be the opm verse at a high ball unless the auther states otherwise, the living world is infinite since there's too many statements to say so, so vegito at that point 1 shots since he couple times stronger and that's ignoring the fact the living world contains realms such as time chamber, dead zone which can actually be scaled to 5D as its a hyperspace, realm where guardians go to after they die which we don't know how far it scales do yh we could be looking at 6D living world the afterlife being 8D as u hav to add time on top of the living world which is an extra dimension and that's ignoring the fact there's super dimensions aswell 🤣
Yes... Buuhan threatened to destroy the universe by distorting space which would cause parallel realms to enter the universe. That's not a quantifiable feat. That's just cartoon magic.
Future saitama and past saitama fused now hrs much weaker compared to the saitama that defeated Cosmic Garou,
So technically if Goku Goes Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x20 plus using ether Hakai or Dragon Fist And saitama gets hits by it then he's dead lol, saitama is a character similar to saiyan as he fights he slowly gets stronger but what if Goku Goes Max Transformation plus stacking Techniques to the max and hitting saitama with a Powerful lethal attack from the start of s1 opm then he's totally dead🤣
wtf is this, bait or plain stupidity
Saitamas potentia>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Goku Cope he has the potential the surpass goku
But currently saitama peaks at buu saga lvl and gets slammed by base super goku
2:06 anime fans discovering silver surfer 😂
No, he ain’t beating Goku
It's because of me there's goku vs Saitama debate. I was the first person to started it all.
Goku wins
TIE.
Both would dodge/tank their hits, and nothing would happen ovr
Goku is multiversale not universal
How many times has goku died again? How many times has Saitama been hurt? oh ok.
That is one of the dumbest arguments ever
This the one of the dumbest arguments I have ever read
@ bro can’t handle logic
@@BurningEffigy47 What logic? Your comparing two very different situations they have both been thru
@ point is Saitama clears Goku no problem.
I find this a very good opinion on the matter, but I do believe that if the fight between the two lasted longer than 5 minutes, it would be Saitama's win due to his inherit ability to grow during a fight as shown with the Garou fight. and since Goku is known to let others power up before finishing them, Saitama might actually have ample time.
also I don't think Goku and fart Jupiter out of existence
See the problem with the "saitama strength growth" argument, is that in order for Multi-solar/multi-galaxy level saitama to reach infinite-sized-universe destroying Goku he would literally have to get infinitely stronger, something he has not demonstrated the capacity to do.
@@lonkstakes Very true
@@lonkstakes bruh do you even understand what infinite means.
@@nicogoliath4902 one punch man meat rider mad
@@lolcow6668 take Gokus banana out your mouth before talking to me
Sorry you have to put up with these comments sections. Probably got a lot of kids showing up here making actually talking about this annoying lol
yup
Come on man. Isn't one punch just a well drawn gag hero. The basis of his power is ridiculous. Comically ridiculous. He's the strongest from such a way makes him a plot armor hero. Here's Goku on the other hand. Dedicated to training and taking savings the world seriously. Saitama's attitude is so I'm playing dumb for no reason. Like he doesn't understand the situation then turns it on like a light switch. I don't like it. Goku in a easy win. Krillen whips Saitama very in a very uneventful way. Now if put together in a anime, you know Goku and him would chill together Goku invites Saitama over for dinner. Then loses a eating contest with Goku woth Goku not even trying.
Saitama is not a gag character
Nah Man. Don’t think that you can call rational individuals delusional and get away with it 🫵🏼💀
Why is everyone so biased that they fail to realize that Saitama has literally no limits when it comes to scaling? It would only take one punch from MUI Goku for Saitama to overcome Goku’s levels in a matter of seconds, as proven in the manga against Garou. It is simple logic.
Y’all just compare feats without realizing that a fight doesn’t depends exclusively by those, obviously Goku in his current state is beyond OPM, but it’s all about who would scale victorious in an encounter
You thought that was it 🫵🏼💀
For the argument that Goku would just need a serious blow at the start to destroy Saitama, Garou literally copied Saitama’s strength and landed many blows at him, showcasing that Saitama did not really flinch at his same level of raw power. This means that his durability is an extremely different breed when compared to his strength increase. Now you can argue that Saitama’s durability never faced Goku’s kind of full strength yet, but exactly because we do not know Saitama’s limits, nobody can claim that Goku has the win either
are you serious mate
@@miyahdon7057 Wouldn’t go that far otherwise.
What’s your excuse
@@Mika-vn8bv I just asked if you're serious I didn't know, but if you are, your whole argument is stupid.
Consideringbl the series is still progressing and we have some antagonist like God himself
Maybe another Cosmic buffed character by God ahead
No one cares lil bro goku wins
Saitama is high solar system level
Goku in cell saga is low solar system level
Goku is buu saga is galaxy level
Bro solar system in db are as big as galaxies
@@instantfam1011Actually they are comparable to nebulas which are smaller than galaxies but it doesn't really matter since saitama still gets stomped
Saitama is going to fight God, he will win.
straight butchered gojo’s name☠️
Get Saitama past Krillin first
But now Saitama solos every DB Fan verse
No, that is not true at all
Goku would defeat Saitama, but saying base form Goku is enough is absolutely idiotic.
base goku is enough debate me
@@XenMel typical Goku glazer
@@TheEraser312 debate me about base Goku vs caped baldy, calling me a glazer bc yk ill cook you in this debate
@@XenMel sure bro. Keep that "Goku solos" mentality. I don't need to debate with a person like you. All I can say is Saitama is at least SSJ3 level.
@@TheEraser312 lmao stupid asfk, Goku in Base solos midtama and his verse, get caped baldy past Frieza saga SSJ1 Goku
Personally i hate this debate because there is no right answer. Goku wins if you only look at the feats shown in their respective series, however saitama wins if based on writing since saitama has 100% winrate in fighting since is written to always win while goku has lost multiple times. Its literally superman vs goku argument again; Writing vs Feats
But super man has OP feats many versions
Even as a fan of both and more, so an OPM fan... I know Goku wins...(for now 😈 new stuff from the manga 😈)...
This was an extremely enjoyable video with very good scaling...
Just one mistake... You said Saitama will never have Martial arts... That's a little wrong... Yes, he won't train to have one that he'll then stick to in fights... But from his Garou fight, we are clearly shown that he can deal with characters who possess the best martial arts in the universe created by fusing all martial arts... then later on on i.o the moon of Jupiter... Garou explicitly stated that Saitama had started using his own perfected martial arts against him, as if he were mocking Martial Arts... Which is crazy...
So yes, Goku has better abilities and all and could win in an equal stats... but the Martial arts part is not so strong, since Saitama has actual feats and statements of being able to just up and replicate a martial arts created from fusing all over 100 martial arts in OPM plus one with the understanding of all energies in the universe... And he just copied it like it was nothing and started using it to beat the creator.
I think that was the only mistake you made... other than that. Everything was accurate...
Oh... yea... Saitama can survive in space, breathe, talk, and even sneeze/crack jokes.