I just used this today with the new Arathi pvp map and only lost once in at least a dozen matches. I'm not super skilled, but I faced most decks and it work great!
I think fury resets after movement. It should just mean stacks 40% higher each time. I would say if you can keep it alive then the level up is worth it like on this build I have a healer. Otherwise in 1 fight the 40% may be stronger
@@MrBrute-WarcraftRumble each time he move, the stacks ir more, wow. I was thinking about keeping him alive with 1 helear but with the other perk it wouldn't give him more dps and almost the same survival, I didn't calculate how much life he gained with those 3/4 lv that he gained
It depends what supporting units they use, this is a beat down deck so you have to take some damage if they play it right IE they go opposite lane. I would let the murlocs lock on tower then use fire hammer to clean up, while triggering the level up. On the other side they would have a hard time defending Drak + shaman push too. If they have polymorph then it’s a hard match up, alternatively run the Blizzard version with whelp eggs. Blizzard + whelp eggs + safe pilot covers all 3 lanes. But yeah you can’t have a favorable match up all the time, fire hammer is to counter the meta (safe pilot and whelps), if you want to deal with murkeye just put in arcane blast instead of chain lightning 2 shots kills murkeye. Chain is there for coverage against banshee and whelp eggs
Bro I played against a deck with something similar but they ran ogre magi instead and I wanted to die. It was so rough to play against as a Rend lol Edit: holy crap…that level up talent is actually insane in pvp😳 that was amazing to watch the level 9 Baron just get stomped haha
Yeah can be brutal, don’t worry you are not alone. First time I saw this was against someone that’s top 10 in the world, I was so not prepared and got clapped
The 40% fury boost is not bad too, but I saw someone use the heightened rage against me, and that’s how I know it goes up multiple levels, it became really hard to deal with. But yeah at first I thought it was only 1 level too
Gaining just 1 level is a 10% damage boost but since she's at 100% attack speed it results in a net 20% damage increase (from 200% to 220%). This also takes effect immediately at 100% fury so comes online earlier than the Fury talent. 40% fury is additive on the other hand so only adds a 40% damage increase (from 200% to 240%). For a single tanky target you can see that Blazing Speed is still better but if you can get at least 2 levels or if the target dies from the 4th or 5th hit then Rage becomes better. Both talents have strengths and uses so I wouldn't write off Blazing Speed entirely I think it's pretty comparable.
I think for 4 gold fire hammer is too squishy and easy counterable ... for me in this deck ogre mage will SHINE SOOO BAD he have high health can resist many more hits and if u pick frostfire talent become god tier in this trio Also think about this... he give bloodlast to drakk and frostwolf And the shaman not only heal 50%more near drakk ... now with bloodlast wil heal faster too OMG i think this trio drakkisat +shaman+ ogre is really god tier I need to try it asap
Sure you can, but you ll need to swap something else out otherwise you only have 1 blackrock unit, the 2nd army slot is vacant. it may only be 1 gold more when you don’t have gold control it could feel like a lot. Fire hammer is a safe pilot bait, it’s designed for that. Most things are squishy compare to orge but it’s not squishy for range units. At the end of the day it comes down to match ups, whether you take bloodlust over fury, I can argue after fury x 3 dps is higher than bloodlust, finally sometimes it’s not good for units to get bloodlust straight up and run too fast, you can’t stack them properly. Nevertheless it ll be a fun combo to try out too👍
@MrBrute-WarcraftRumble I've replaced quillboar with whelp eggs or if i need more gold control i can lose that slot and try to steal a bit more gold with defias bandits or can fit well fire elemental too if you have a good gold control ... Anyway, I have to congratulate you, you make really useful content that inspires new things to try... and the thing I like most is that you reply to everyone, keep it up!😄
@ryanwolfchong i don't know why but near drakkisat seems that the shaman heal more try it yourself ... probably is just my impression 🤣... anyway with ogre near shaman surely will heal more often with bloodlast 😄
Never thought I would see fire hammer in a PvP deck!
I just used this today with the new Arathi pvp map and only lost once in at least a dozen matches. I'm not super skilled, but I faced most decks and it work great!
Really cool seeing you beat level 8 and 9, great showcase of skill and the build.
Love seeing your builds. You never run out of ideas!
Thanks for putting out steady guides for us.
Where do you stream? Twitch vods show a strim from days ago. Would definately watch
Yeah I can’t commit to a set schedule, I just do it when I get a chance
I have been running a similar drakk list with firehammer. Firehammer is so underrated by the community its my favorite mini.
Nice games!
the fire hammer second talen is infinite stack of speed o stacks in 40%? i dont know if fury cap in 30% base or what. Nice video man! love it
I think fury resets after movement. It should just mean stacks 40% higher each time. I would say if you can keep it alive then the level up is worth it like on this build I have a healer. Otherwise in 1 fight the 40% may be stronger
@@MrBrute-WarcraftRumble each time he move, the stacks ir more, wow.
I was thinking about keeping him alive with 1 helear but with the other perk it wouldn't give him more dps and almost the same survival, I didn't calculate how much life he gained with those 3/4 lv that he gained
The portraits look a bit different for units. Is it some mod?
How to get more star to have two talents are free to play
Thank you for the video
This build is so fun!
nice content thanks! Would you try firehammer in other decks or is it only good with drak?
So far just in this deck, could change depending on map settings.
So good❤
One question without AOE damage unit how can you defend old murkeye push?
It depends what supporting units they use, this is a beat down deck so you have to take some damage if they play it right IE they go opposite lane. I would let the murlocs lock on tower then use fire hammer to clean up, while triggering the level up. On the other side they would have a hard time defending Drak + shaman push too. If they have polymorph then it’s a hard match up, alternatively run the Blizzard version with whelp eggs. Blizzard + whelp eggs + safe pilot covers all 3 lanes. But yeah you can’t have a favorable match up all the time, fire hammer is to counter the meta (safe pilot and whelps), if you want to deal with murkeye just put in arcane blast instead of chain lightning 2 shots kills murkeye. Chain is there for coverage against banshee and whelp eggs
Applied to your guild, almost 10k PVP Rating. iMrWicked
Didn’t know we had open space 😮, I accepted but the game is giving me the error
I played against this deck a few times using Charlga. Charlga and Prowler can get good trade against it
Yeah Charlga is good against Drak, but you need a way to kill the Shaman first, he can still attack the prowler while been shackled by Charlga
Shaman will walk in front of Drak when Drak is rooted. So my prowler can kill shaman
Bro I played against a deck with something similar but they ran ogre magi instead and I wanted to die. It was so rough to play against as a Rend lol
Edit: holy crap…that level up talent is actually insane in pvp😳 that was amazing to watch the level 9 Baron just get stomped haha
Yeah can be brutal, don’t worry you are not alone. First time I saw this was against someone that’s top 10 in the world, I was so not prepared and got clapped
18:59 it hit level 12 I didn’t even see it during the game 😂
every time you post new video you advertise new mini that is underlevel in my collection LD
King of drag ? Don't you mean queen ?
Oh no i bough the wrong talent for her i though she just gain only one level only when she reach full fury from the talent so i dont bought it.
The 40% fury boost is not bad too, but I saw someone use the heightened rage against me, and that’s how I know it goes up multiple levels, it became really hard to deal with. But yeah at first I thought it was only 1 level too
Gaining just 1 level is a 10% damage boost but since she's at 100% attack speed it results in a net 20% damage increase (from 200% to 220%). This also takes effect immediately at 100% fury so comes online earlier than the Fury talent.
40% fury is additive on the other hand so only adds a 40% damage increase (from 200% to 240%).
For a single tanky target you can see that Blazing Speed is still better but if you can get at least 2 levels or if the target dies from the 4th or 5th hit then Rage becomes better.
Both talents have strengths and uses so I wouldn't write off Blazing Speed entirely I think it's pretty comparable.
Fire hammer is only great in crowds with flying with a tank and heals
Which is unlikely in pvp
Too squishy even with talents
I think for 4 gold fire hammer is too squishy and easy counterable ... for me in this deck ogre mage will SHINE SOOO BAD
he have high health can resist many more hits and if u pick frostfire talent become god tier in this trio
Also think about this... he give bloodlast to drakk and frostwolf
And the shaman not only heal 50%more near drakk ... now with bloodlast wil heal faster too OMG
i think this trio drakkisat +shaman+ ogre is really god tier
I need to try it asap
Sure you can, but you ll need to swap something else out otherwise you only have 1 blackrock unit, the 2nd army slot is vacant. it may only be 1 gold more when you don’t have gold control it could feel like a lot. Fire hammer is a safe pilot bait, it’s designed for that. Most things are squishy compare to orge but it’s not squishy for range units. At the end of the day it comes down to match ups, whether you take bloodlust over fury, I can argue after fury x 3 dps is higher than bloodlust, finally sometimes it’s not good for units to get bloodlust straight up and run too fast, you can’t stack them properly. Nevertheless it ll be a fun combo to try out too👍
Drakk does not increase shaman healing, it says it increases enemies damage taken from elemental, nothing about allies
@MrBrute-WarcraftRumble I've replaced quillboar with whelp eggs or if i need more gold control i can lose that slot and try to steal a bit more gold with defias bandits or can fit well fire elemental too if you have a good gold control ...
Anyway, I have to congratulate you, you make really useful content that inspires new things to try... and the thing I like most is that you reply to everyone, keep it up!😄
@ryanwolfchong i don't know why but near drakkisat seems that the shaman heal more try it yourself ... probably is just my impression 🤣... anyway with ogre near shaman surely will heal more often with bloodlast 😄