I like how they simplified everything from the router jig to just leveling where the legs go. Shame that they didn't use the rest of the slab they cut off though. Goes to show you don't need to entirely spend hours flattening or filling all the voids to get good results.
I like to leave the bark and pour epoxy over it to seal it, especially into the gap between the bark and the wood to glue it on. Comes out beautifully. Without the bark, it’s kinda not really a live edge anymore. Though I probably wouldn’t do it for something like a dining table.
With such new pieces of wood, I'd be concerned of after leveling the leg holes with the router, that the tabletop would warp, and wobble in just a few months. Is 2 slabs the way they have it (one flipped) enough to combat the warping issue?
My dad has made a few tables like this. He likes to put some steel in a dado in the bottom of the slab. It seems to do a really good job of keeping the wood from warping.
Nick G perhaps it did not cost more, however, he did purposely by consecutive cuts on purpose. It just seems odd, not bad, that he did not take advantage of that match. Otherwise, the episode was very good and useful.
If Kevin and Tom actually made this whole thing that's pretty impressive. Usually the hosts let other guys do it off camera then film themselves doing the finishing work.
Its a question of craftsmanship. And if the wood is not dry it will still warp and then not sit flat. I would be the time it took to fiddle with the recesses would be the same to flatten the bottom, which would also look more professional.
I would've just sent it through the thickness planer a couple of times. The routed slots for the legs might make it sit level, but now you got a cupped table that will shed spills and cause things to roll/slide down.
@@KewlCrayon a thickness planer will not take the curse out of it. Assuming the planer is wide enough (most are 12") it will only flatten the surface. It won't take the warp out
What type of Router Bit did you use for this? I have a slab of Silver Maple I want to make into a table, about 4ft Diameter Circle, but needs to be leveled.
Nice work. But, agreed, that finish was not the best choice. Rubio Monocoat would have made this fire, and done it a whole lot quicker/easier than that two-step....
Man he really left almost nothing of that 2nd piece on. Surprised he didn't just use one slab as his tabletop, except for the slope going the other way on the other side it looks to be almost the same width as a single plank.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Waste of time and material. But I guess the point was the educational aspect for us. Still, I totally agree. Basically the same size as a single original slab.
Not as long as the wood is dry to start out with. If it's wet, yes the wood will twist as it dries and might cause splitting - just not likely at the glue joint. Wood glue is stronger than the wood around it.
Agree, a light stain to bring out the cathedraling of the maple and a few coats of polyurethane would have been a better choice from my perspective. Could be less noticeable in person though, who knows.
I'm a noob woodworker, I thought shellac was for specific applications...isn't it out of favor relative to tung oil or danish oil or primer/stain/polyurethane?
Wasted two thirds of the second board and then completely removed the "live" edge. Why even bother? And the finish was horrible. How about you bring Norm back for woodworking and leave Tommy to do framing!!!
Sorry but this is ugly, no thought put into it and a few of the steps in the process were done in reverse... more like chasing to fix mistakes. I am a big fan of these guys but this is not up to their usual standards
I am a fan of the show but this segment was a total disappointment. I design and build furniture including designs with live edge lumber and this piece might as well have come from Ikea. No thought as to the function or design of the base - just buy some common metal bits so it looks like every other piece out there. You lost the beauty of the book matched faces by joining the slabs together then not even showing the most interesting face. Take the time to make sure the moisture content of the wood is low otherwise your trick to recess the leg flanges will not hold as the slab will still warp as it dries. Take the time to flatten both sides of the slab, show some craftsmanship! The finish did not look close to anything natural. Guys, you could have done a whole lot better.
D Tom, not everyone has the same taste. I think Tom S./TOH was keeping it simple because it's meant to be a DIY project where the hobby builder can customize it to their liking. Anyone who's that worried about warping can either 1) buy dried lumber and/or 2) select a species and cut with less warping, and/or 3) reset the legs after however many years it takes the slab to completely dry all the way through.
Nah, dude. Kevin just narrates the average persons thoughts. He knows exactly what he is doing. His toolbelt and hammer on the arts and crafts house episodes speaks volumes about him.
Leveling just the leg area and not the whole slab....mind blown. THANK YOU!!!!
Greatest show created
I like how they simplified everything from the router jig to just leveling where the legs go. Shame that they didn't use the rest of the slab they cut off though. Goes to show you don't need to entirely spend hours flattening or filling all the voids to get good results.
I like to leave the bark and pour epoxy over it to seal it, especially into the gap between the bark and the wood to glue it on. Comes out beautifully. Without the bark, it’s kinda not really a live edge anymore. Though I probably wouldn’t do it for something like a dining table.
Tommy's jigs are nicer looking than most of my finished projects, hahaha
Great ideas as always, love watching these videos!
Nice color , good tip with the sliding router jig .
Thanks for showing that router trick! I have to remember that
Great job Tom and kevin, looks awesome
With such new pieces of wood, I'd be concerned of after leveling the leg holes with the router, that the tabletop would warp, and wobble in just a few months. Is 2 slabs the way they have it (one flipped) enough to combat the warping issue?
My dad has made a few tables like this. He likes to put some steel in a dado in the bottom of the slab. It seems to do a really good job of keeping the wood from warping.
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A table with a truss rod. That’s different, but I’m sure it’s very effective.
Nice project, hope to see more like this one!
Spend extra to get book matched planks. Cut off book matched portion. Make it look like two unrelated planks. Hmmmm!
This was very odd. When it started it looked great so it makes you wonder if he screwed up however mistakes don't happen on tv
I dont think he spent extra to have the piece sawn in half....
Nick G perhaps it did not cost more, however, he did purposely by consecutive cuts on purpose. It just seems odd, not bad, that he did not take advantage of that match. Otherwise, the episode was very good and useful.
Was thinking the same thing!
I wish I had an uncle Tommy!
Cool project and demonstration.
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A thing of beauty.
If Kevin and Tom actually made this whole thing that's pretty impressive. Usually the hosts let other guys do it off camera then film themselves doing the finishing work.
With 45+ years of experience.. someone else might need practice haha
How do you know?
Why put oil over the shellac if the shellac seals the wood? If the oil doesn't change the color, what does it bring to the final look of the wood?
holy crap no dust collection on the circular saw :)
So many professional furniture maker commenters.
Looked easy, let me go shopping for some live edge wood..... saw price...... well, never mind then!!
Use a draw knife instead of hammer and chisel to remove the bark.
Routing only where the legs are is a smart move.
I would have routed flat the whole thing top and bottom wasting lots of hours.
Its a question of craftsmanship. And if the wood is not dry it will still warp and then not sit flat. I would be the time it took to fiddle with the recesses would be the same to flatten the bottom, which would also look more professional.
I would've just sent it through the thickness planer a couple of times. The routed slots for the legs might make it sit level, but now you got a cupped table that will shed spills and cause things to roll/slide down.
@@KewlCrayon a thickness planer will not take the curse out of it. Assuming the planer is wide enough (most are 12") it will only flatten the surface. It won't take the warp out
What type of Router Bit did you use for this? I have a slab of Silver Maple I want to make into a table, about 4ft Diameter Circle, but needs to be leveled.
I use a carbide tipped flattening bit made for a CNC. You can turn the tips as they wear out which makes it practically a forever tool !
Simply loved it...
2:57 Never learned about the bark in woodworking class
Smart, I would have leveled the whole bottom not even thinking about just doing where the legs are.
Mr Tommy rocks
Just curious but why use a router over a planer
What kind of wheel did you have on your grinder?
Nice work. But, agreed, that finish was not the best choice. Rubio Monocoat would have made this fire, and done it a whole lot quicker/easier than that two-step....
Can anyone explain shellac? I thought that was going out of style and mainly used for antique reproductions?
Loved it!
Man he really left almost nothing of that 2nd piece on. Surprised he didn't just use one slab as his tabletop, except for the slope going the other way on the other side it looks to be almost the same width as a single plank.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Waste of time and material. But I guess the point was the educational aspect for us. Still, I totally agree. Basically the same size as a single original slab.
Made me hungry for mustard pretzels
A draw knife works *way* better for removing bark.
I love it
Does anyone have a link for the hairpin legs that he used?
Good thing he checked for WOP on the wood first.
Nice coffee table
Amazing what can be done with just a circular saw and few hand tools....
Question: Isn't the flat glue joint in the center liable to split and fail? Why not use dowels or biscuit joints in addition to the glue?
Not as long as the wood is dry to start out with. If it's wet, yes the wood will twist as it dries and might cause splitting - just not likely at the glue joint. Wood glue is stronger than the wood around it.
Barring outdoor exposure, wood glue's bond is generally stronger than the wood itself unless you're gluing endgrain which they're not.
Biscuits aren't really good for providing strength but they're decent at aligning the tops of the boards so you don't have to sand as much
The glue is stronger than the wood itself and it would be fine on its own.biscuits don’t add any strength the basically just line it up
You forgot the blue epoxy
.Great job
Neat
So, this old house doesnt have a planee they could gave run that through? Those areas they made for the legs look terrible.
"Modern legs...". Hahahahaha! We had a pink kitchen table with those exact style legs back in the late 50's early 60's! Uuuuugly.
That's a special project, Nice!
Anyone in trades knows exactly who makes that saw, Tom..you cant kill those things. And that diablo blade too ;)
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nice man vare good
is it truly still a live edge if you sand off everything that made the edge alive? I think not.
Nice!
I never thought of attaching the router to the sled
With the sled you can flatten anything. With a 3/4" straight bit it'll take a while but still faster than winding sticks and a smoothing plane
@@johnsmith-wc8gs I use a sled regularly and have 3/4"-2" bits but have the sled and router move independently
Urine yellow is a bummer.
I agree. I'm sure it looks a little different in person, and who knows, maybe the right decor/room would really make it pop?
Agree, a light stain to bring out the cathedraling of the maple and a few coats of polyurethane would have been a better choice from my perspective. Could be less noticeable in person though, who knows.
I came here to say this. What in the world?
If you're urine is regularly that yellow, you should probably go visit the doctor.
Or you take a vitamin B supplement...
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If you think about it he cut both of the boards to make one the same width as one of those already you could of had two console tables
Norm makes the furniture
No
I apologize to this channel. i've watched a lot and was too lazy to click the like button.
but you can type out that whole message... >_>
Tommy, there's mustard in your shellac. That's not amber. Looks dyed.
Can I take a downed tree log to a place like home depot or lowes and have them cut them like a live edge?
no
OK.. Here"s my ask..
Why is it called "live edge"?
It is no longer a living tree.. Even the edge..
How did this description take hold?
It's the live edge of the tree when it was living or the natural edge. Sounds better than the dead edge.
Is that a triforce in the background at 0:30?
its a delta symbol, Delta is a machining and woodworking equipment manufacturer
Looked cool... Until the orange finish went on...
That is what you call a high tech cnc machine
Uh, why would anyone put shellac on before tung oil...oh, a varnish that says "tung oil" on the label.
Why not run it through a planer?
Do they even have a planer in that woodshop? I didn't see it in their other videos?
Fucken tight!
I usually like and understand every Tom Silva segment. This one left me flat. I do't get it.
rofl that looks like an ironing board from 1822
8:56 lol
Destroyed the Maple with that shellac
I'm a noob woodworker, I thought shellac was for specific applications...isn't it out of favor relative to tung oil or danish oil or primer/stain/polyurethane?
Theres no way this old guy doesnt own a thickness planer, why are you using a router and a jig to level it off?
because most people don't or can't own a planer, and if someone can't do it themselves its a worthless video
He said Wap
Yea..im sure he went to the store and bought it out his pocket..
I hate it when my wood has a WOP in it.
Wasted two thirds of the second board and then completely removed the "live" edge. Why even bother? And the finish was horrible.
How about you bring Norm back for woodworking and leave Tommy to do framing!!!
I think someone needs to explain what “live-edge” means to you guys.
Did that lady at the end just buy a car from larusso auto group
Stuart C ahh hahaha. I just got done watching season 1. Really liked it.
Sorry but this is ugly, no thought put into it and a few of the steps in the process were done in reverse... more like chasing to fix mistakes. I am a big fan of these guys but this is not up to their usual standards
Rogers getting older so I feel like that he is going to be replaced I think that's why there's been a lady on the show the lady at 9:00
I personally don't like the legs.
Not a leg man are ya?
Looks like something you could by at Ikea. No creativity.
but my legs are very beautiful
finish looks like dried cat pee
Not Fond of The Color At ALL!!!
I am a fan of the show but this segment was a total disappointment. I design and build furniture including designs with live edge lumber and this piece might as well have come from Ikea. No thought as to the function or design of the base - just buy some common metal bits so it looks like every other piece out there. You lost the beauty of the book matched faces by joining the slabs together then not even showing the most interesting face. Take the time to make sure the moisture content of the wood is low otherwise your trick to recess the leg flanges will not hold as the slab will still warp as it dries. Take the time to flatten both sides of the slab, show some craftsmanship! The finish did not look close to anything natural.
Guys, you could have done a whole lot better.
not to mention that this was nothing more than a glorified bench,im sorry,but to MY eyes,that is NOT a table
D Tom Norm would be disappointed.
D Tom, not everyone has the same taste. I think Tom S./TOH was keeping it simple because it's meant to be a DIY project where the hobby builder can customize it to their liking. Anyone who's that worried about warping can either 1) buy dried lumber and/or 2) select a species and cut with less warping, and/or 3) reset the legs after however many years it takes the slab to completely dry all the way through.
Agree. Was so looking forward to a widish table with book match and we got so much less.
Who needs a bench-table when you can have a mountain of complaints to sit on?
First
Kevin has to go. He states the obvious and doesn’t really seem like he knows what he’s doing.
Nah, dude. Kevin just narrates the average persons thoughts. He knows exactly what he is doing. His toolbelt and hammer on the arts and crafts house episodes speaks volumes about him.