Hi all, I hope you enjoy the podcast. It was first aired on 13 April 2022, please keep that in mind as you're listening. Thanks, Zoe (Community Manager) quillette.com/2022/04/13/frances-widdowson-on-the-questions-canadians-arent-supposed-to-ask-about-unmarked-graves/
None of the deaths date to the middle of the 20th century. Theyre all before 1892. None after antibiotics were invented and made commercially available in the 1930's. 75% of children had TB in Saskatchewan census in 1921. We only discovered germs were cause of illness in 1860's with Pasteur, Koch and Lister. The Kamloops band chief fought to have the school there. But the Kamloops people did not stay at the school. They went home at night. Their families were right there. The children buried there died of natural causes and were buried bec there was no time to wait for their family and notify them in a time of no phones and instant communication because they had to contain TB outbreaks. Residential schools remain the recommended course of assimilating indigenous populations around the world as recommended recently by the United Nations special committee on this issue which proceeded to condemn the United States, Canada, and Australia, and then provided examples of the same exact thing and same exact method in China, Vietnam and elsewhere and lauded them. Canada has treated the indigenous people terribly. They were dishonored, spoken down to, not consulted, were displaced, and their cultural heritage was suppressed and beat none of them. They deserve better and it is up to us to make it better. Having said all that, the missing and murdered indigenous women inquiry is a complete joke. In the period of the examination by the inquiry, approximately 4,000 indigenous women were killed, the vast majority of them killed by indigenous men. In the same period of time, four times as many men, some 17,000 indigenous men, were also murdered, and nobody gives a shit about that. Finding of the inquiry that the missing women were missing because of Canadian genocide is totally irrational, because if Canada is responsible, then whose responsible for the missing and murdered indigenous women in the United States and Australia? Did Canada travel there? In other words, I sympathize completely with the fight for justice by these people and they do deserve Justice, but the absurdity of not being able to have an argument, and yielding to whatever demand and contradictory paradoxical claim is being made at any given time is not good for anyone.
It's a shame that it had to get exaggerated, because that distracts from what actually happened. The truth is that indigenous children died at these schools died at higher rates than white children at the same time.. but that does not mean they were outright murdered. They were neglected more, put under unhealthy conditions, sick children were not quarantined from healthy children, etc. It is definitely a tragedy but there is no need to lie and claim children were murdered.
Even when the anthropologist reduced the number of unmarked graves in Kamloops Residential school grounds, mainstream media refused to change the number. I was called a "racist" because I told someone what I had read in the Globe and Mail about the reduction in number of alleged unmarked Graves.
The Quillette podcast needs an update in the light of the move to discredit and oust the Quesnel Mayor, Ron Paull.because his wife was distributing copies of the book "Grave Error".
I think its disgusting that the woke can call this speaker a rascist and would not let her speak at the U of L. Asking important questions is not rascist. Truth is subjective.
@@Glacialspring I think your very wrong on that. Freedom of speech is everyones fundamental right. I guess you havent noticed how free speech isnt so free anymore. Bill C16 is a prime example. Yes who is prime minister has a very drastic effect on your life. What Trudeau has done to our nation, our generation, and my kids generation will be paying for it. The fluidity for what is considered socially exceptable is deeply troubling.
I think Widdowson would argue the truth is not subjective. Rather the woke mob is using subjective "knowing". I'm not sure she is arguing any absolute, exactly. But, she is certainly advocating in support of objective evidence. Objective evidence is verifiable (or not) and might be revised on the basis of other objective evidence. However, subjective evidence, although not invalid, cannot stand alone. This "knowing" that there are murdered children's remains there is subjective evidence. It doesn't mean it's wrong, but it does need to be supported, and so far it is not. It continues to flourish in the realm of urban legend. If it is to be anything other than that, it requires objective evidence to support the stories.
As this interview was done in April 2022, it would be interesting to hear an update on what it covers. Has there been any further investigations done, for example?
i have listened to many interviews with and presentations by Frances widdowson. This one involves the interviewer interrupting Ms. Widdowson. So it was more her adding a few corroborating words to his point of view.
Widdowson is the sacrificial lamb for the zealots in our midst. The zealot is not interested in the actual, story which is not as interesting as the myth that sustains our indignation.
Guess what? You didn't do research. Indigenous parents had to sign consent to have their children go to residential schools. Many of the schools were located close to reservations and the children often skipped school and went home. If all these things were true it would have been exposed years ago. It has been researched over and over again.
I suppose that he is honest in disclosing, but the podcaster's opinion that "it is entirely possible" that there are likely is at least some murdered children secreted in graves (and some of his other editorial comments) suggest that he would benefit from a broader reading of the evidence and discussions. "From Truth Comes Reconciliation: An Assessment of the TRC Committee Report".
@@The88Cheat None. No physical action taken. Yet more radar returns from a few other places have been publicized. Yet no digging anywhere. Pretty interesting, right?
Excuse me? It is possible, and if you are so convinced all these graves are actual graves, then please lead the charge to have them exhumed......waiting.....waiting. Curious how no one actually want to dig.
@@stevenlightfoot6479 Yeah, I just learned that yesterday. I think it's pretty irresponsible of journalists to perpetuate that "mass grave" and "genocide" narratives despite the lack of hard evidence and call people that point that out "genocide deniers." Ugh.
@@The88Cheat Yes, it is irresponsible, and that is one of the reasons why in Canada especially fewer and fewer people trust or listen to MSM and especially the CBC. On the other hand journo Terry Glavin covered it really well.
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Hi all, I hope you enjoy the podcast. It was first aired on 13 April 2022, please keep that in mind as you're listening.
Thanks,
Zoe (Community Manager)
quillette.com/2022/04/13/frances-widdowson-on-the-questions-canadians-arent-supposed-to-ask-about-unmarked-graves/
How about you let your guests speak for a change instead of constantly interrupting and soliloquying
None of the deaths date to the middle of the 20th century. Theyre all before 1892. None after antibiotics were invented and made commercially available in the 1930's. 75% of children had TB in Saskatchewan census in 1921. We only discovered germs were cause of illness in 1860's with Pasteur, Koch and Lister. The Kamloops band chief fought to have the school there. But the Kamloops people did not stay at the school. They went home at night. Their families were right there. The children buried there died of natural causes and were buried bec there was no time to wait for their family and notify them in a time of no phones and instant communication because they had to contain TB outbreaks. Residential schools remain the recommended course of assimilating indigenous populations around the world as recommended recently by the United Nations special committee on this issue which proceeded to condemn the United States, Canada, and Australia, and then provided examples of the same exact thing and same exact method in China, Vietnam and elsewhere and lauded them. Canada has treated the indigenous people terribly. They were dishonored, spoken down to, not consulted, were displaced, and their cultural heritage was suppressed and beat none of them. They deserve better and it is up to us to make it better. Having said all that, the missing and murdered indigenous women inquiry is a complete joke. In the period of the examination by the inquiry, approximately 4,000 indigenous women were killed, the vast majority of them killed by indigenous men. In the same period of time, four times as many men, some 17,000 indigenous men, were also murdered, and nobody gives a shit about that. Finding of the inquiry that the missing women were missing because of Canadian genocide is totally irrational, because if Canada is responsible, then whose responsible for the missing and murdered indigenous women in the United States and Australia? Did Canada travel there? In other words, I sympathize completely with the fight for justice by these people and they do deserve Justice, but the absurdity of not being able to have an argument, and yielding to whatever demand and contradictory paradoxical claim is being made at any given time is not good for anyone.
It's a shame that it had to get exaggerated, because that distracts from what actually happened. The truth is that indigenous children died at these schools died at higher rates than white children at the same time.. but that does not mean they were outright murdered. They were neglected more, put under unhealthy conditions, sick children were not quarantined from healthy children, etc. It is definitely a tragedy but there is no need to lie and claim children were murdered.
Exactly. The truth was bad enough. I still think that there may well have been 10-20 bodies there, but admit that none are proven.
Even when the anthropologist reduced the number of unmarked graves in Kamloops Residential school grounds, mainstream media refused to change the number. I was called a "racist" because I told someone what I had read in the Globe and Mail about the reduction in number of alleged unmarked Graves.
So not as many kids were killed?
@@Jfre2 ahh it seems that you don’t believe the people that were actually there. Is that right?
@@Jfre2 Saskatchewan Star Blanket Cree Nation found a human Jaw bone 125 years old approx. That’s confirmed and that’s enough.
@@Jfre2 Actually it was nowhere near a known grave site. I’d say think on that. But you probably wont.
@@Jfre2 Those children were murdered. And the killers got away with it.
We self-silence, speaking only after first making sure that it is safe. 🇨🇦
The Quillette podcast needs an update in the light of the move to discredit and oust the Quesnel Mayor, Ron Paull.because his wife was distributing copies of the book "Grave Error".
Jonathan Kay is an excellent interviewer. Very good at context and clarification and putting things in perspective
I think its disgusting that the woke can call this speaker a rascist and would not let her speak at the U of L. Asking important questions is not rascist. Truth is subjective.
@@Glacialspring I think your very wrong on that. Freedom of speech is everyones fundamental right. I guess you havent noticed how free speech isnt so free anymore. Bill C16 is a prime example. Yes who is prime minister has a very drastic effect on your life. What Trudeau has done to our nation, our generation, and my kids generation will be paying for it.
The fluidity for what is considered socially exceptable is deeply troubling.
Its okay MIke we all think you're disgusting too.
I think Widdowson would argue the truth is not subjective. Rather the woke mob is using subjective "knowing". I'm not sure she is arguing any absolute, exactly. But, she is certainly advocating in support of objective evidence. Objective evidence is verifiable (or not) and might be revised on the basis of other objective evidence. However, subjective evidence, although not invalid, cannot stand alone. This "knowing" that there are murdered children's remains there is subjective evidence. It doesn't mean it's wrong, but it does need to be supported, and so far it is not. It continues to flourish in the realm of urban legend. If it is to be anything other than that, it requires objective evidence to support the stories.
As this interview was done in April 2022, it would be interesting to hear an update on what it covers. Has there been any further investigations done, for example?
totally
The religious fervor is maddening.
Thankyou
The last few years have taught us to pay attention to those they seek to cancel.
The fact that there are only 53 likes is quite telling. I researched the issue.
i have listened to many interviews with and presentations by Frances widdowson. This one involves the interviewer interrupting Ms. Widdowson. So it was more her adding a few corroborating words to his point of view.
Yeah he's got a long way to go to be half as good as a cbc reporter huh?
Canadians gone bonkers?
Quite some time ago, in fact.
Widdowson is the sacrificial lamb for the zealots in our midst. The zealot is not interested in the actual, story which is not as interesting as the myth that sustains our indignation.
What do people on reservations do for work?
Lots of things actually.
Guess what? You didn't do research. Indigenous parents had to sign consent to have their children go to residential schools. Many of the schools were located close to reservations and the children often skipped school and went home. If all these things were true it would have been exposed years ago. It has been researched over and over again.
What's the research? I'd like to know.
I suppose that he is honest in disclosing, but the podcaster's opinion that "it is entirely possible" that there are likely is at least some murdered children secreted in graves (and some of his other editorial comments) suggest that he would benefit from a broader reading of the evidence and discussions. "From Truth Comes Reconciliation: An Assessment of the TRC Committee Report".
I've only just learned about this issue. What is the evidence currently?
@@The88Cheat None. No physical action taken. Yet more radar returns from a few other places have been publicized. Yet no digging anywhere. Pretty interesting, right?
Excuse me? It is possible, and if you are so convinced all these graves are actual graves, then please lead the charge to have them exhumed......waiting.....waiting. Curious how no one actually want to dig.
@@stevenlightfoot6479 Yeah, I just learned that yesterday. I think it's pretty irresponsible of journalists to perpetuate that "mass grave" and "genocide" narratives despite the lack of hard evidence and call people that point that out "genocide deniers." Ugh.
@@The88Cheat Yes, it is irresponsible, and that is one of the reasons why in Canada especially fewer and fewer people trust or listen to MSM and especially the CBC. On the other hand journo Terry Glavin covered it really well.
Inerupt less please. Some of this was hard to consume.
I agree. The interruptions were not cool.
Digem up