Kurdistan Explained: The State That Will Never Be a State - TLDR News
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Kurdistan. It might not be a country you’ve thought about much before but it’s a contentious one for sure, in fact it’s not even fully agreed where it is or where it’s borders end. So in this video we’re going to take a look at the country, where it is , who lives there and whether it stands a chance of becoming an officially recognised state any time soon.
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1 - M Izady, Atlas of the Islamic World and Vicinity (New York, Columbia University, 2006-present)
2 - Chaliand, Gerard. (1994). The Kurdish Tragedy. London: Zed. p24
3 - Van Bruinessen, M. (2006). Kurdish paths to nation. In F. A. Jabar & H. Dawod, eds., The Kurds: Nationalism and Politics. London, Saqi, pp.25
4 - Mapping Kurdistan, Kaya, Zeynep N. Chapter 1
5 - Hassanpour, Amir. (2003). The making of Kurdish identity: Pre-20th century historical and literary sources. In A. Vali, ed., Essays on the Origins of Kurdish Nationalism. Costa Mesa, CA: Mazda, pp. 117.
6 - Mapping Kurdistan, Kaya, Zeynep N. Chapter 1
7 - Mapping Kurdistan, Kaya, Zeynep N. Chapter 1
8 - www.edmaps.com/html/kurdistan...
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As a Kurd I'd like to clarify a few points:
1) The majority of Kurds speak the same language, Kurdish, which has three dialects:
1) Kurmanji (Northern Kurdish)
2) Sorani (Central Kurdish)
3) Southern Kurdish
These dialects are sometimes referred to as languages, but they are still part of the Kurdish Languages family, and all Kurdish speakers refer to their dialect/language as Kurdish (Kurdî), not Soranî or anything else.
2) Religion and Kurdish nationalism are unrelated, so belonging to different religions has no influence on Kurdish unity and the likelihood of becoming a state.
3) Dimili and Zaza are interchangeable.
4) Alevi is a tradition, not an ethnic group; Turkish Alevis, Kurdish Alevis, and Arab Alevis are examples.
5) Kaka'i is a religion, not an ethnic group; in fact, Kurds who practice Kakaism (Yarsanism) tend to be the most nationalist.
6) Some Yazidis don’t identify as Kurds but still speak Kurdish.
7) Zazas generally consider themselves as Kurds. Selahettin Demirtaş, the leader of the Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party in Turkey, which is the largest Kurdish political party in Turkey, is an example.
kurdish alevi are not muslims
Kurdish Alevi are not part of Islam and don't consider themselves Muslim. They're closer to Eizidism (Yazdayism). Kurdish Alevis speak Dimli, Kirmanc, or Kurmanji.
@@kucikedinuxemgin2713 im a kurdish alevi and muslim but dont know about others.
@@lavin6119 stop lying we arent muslim
@@kucikedinuxemgin2713 me and my family are.
Very informative. Though I’m surprised you didn’t mention Iraqi Kurdistan declared independence back in 2017 after a referendum only for conflict to break out between the Kurds and Iraq forcing them to backtrack on their declaration of independence
Free kurds from iraq and turkey andbunite them with iran once more
They didn't declare independence.
The results of the vote were "non-binding."
Also the Sryian Kurds that the US was allied with before Trump decided genocide by the turks was better.
The most severe result of KRG independence decleration wasn't the conflict with Iraqi forces rather the fact KRG lost Kirkuk during the conflict!! Almost half of KRG's oil production was happening in Kirkuk so they literally lost half of their income in a single day and had to backtrack on their declaration because KRG can barely cover the needs of 5 million Kurdish people in KRG anymore, in fact they even requested funding from Iraqi government and trying to have a deal with them. To be fair Kirkuk has very large Iraqi and Turkish population, in fact Kurdish population isn't majority rather around 40% so Iraq always refused to accept KRG control over the city and kept demanding Peshmargas to leave so independence declaration was just an excuse to capture the city.
There were also several major mistakes as expected from ''neutral media'' like forgetting to mention PKK is considered as a terrorist organization by 36 countries in the world including US, UK, EU, Australia, Japan etc simply because they targeted civilians literally hundreds of times from public squire, bus, station, stadium bombings to randomly planting mines in rural areas of southeastern Turkey!! Same goes for somehow acting like Kurdish people are treated similarly in all those countries while in reality Syria didn't even give them citizenship for over 50 years rather considered them as illegal population without even basic rights, Iraq committed great atrocities against them including even chemical attacks and they always had limited citizenship and discriminated against, Iran considers them as Iranians and they had much better conditions and rights in Iran than those countries but because Kurdish people are Sunnis Iran doesn't even allow them to operate a political party and join Iranian parliament!! On the other hand Turkey always considered them as full and equal citizens, in fact Turkey doesn't even collect data about who are Kurdish, Turkish or who believes in what religion. For example Turkish army which is ''wickedly targeting Kurds'' according to some is actually a 20% Kurdish force as every male citizen of Turkey has to do his mandatory military service. And there have been many Kurdish parties and politicians representing themselves in the parliament, Turkey even had a Kurdish president called Turgut Özal!! Sure, there were discriminations against Kurdish language such as operating radio channels or publishing books other than Turkish was forbidden so it wasn't exactly against Kurdish rather other minority languages as well like Laz, Zaza etc. Those laws have been changed several decades ago ofc so it is a total nonsense Kurdish people are still ''a persecuted minority'' in Turkey, in fact they are so ''persecuted'' 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not Eastern Turkey while the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj or Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! So Kurdish people don't live as ''a persecuted minority'' in remote locations like Syria, Iraq or Iran rather they live all around Turkey and no lunatic has any right to put Turkey into same bag with those countries...
About if Kurdish people will have an independent country or not, even if i support a Kurdish country in Iraq (Also Syria if they could expel PKK terrorists from their ranks same as Kurdish regional government of northern Iraq did) because they suffered greatly in past decades but i still doubt there will be ever a Kurdish country. There are many reasons for this that some of them mentioned correctly in the video like Kurdish people don't have an unity at all and their political beliefs are severely changing according to their regions. But perhaps the biggest reason there aren't enough resources in their majority lands, for example Kurdish regional government has significant oil fields and earning like 90% of their income from oil but even then it barely covers the needs of 5 million Kurdish people in KRG alone then how come those oil fields can cover the needs of 30 million Kurdish people??? Perhaps they could do agriculture instead right but sadly without dozens of dams Turkey constructed in eastern Turkey it isn't possible to do even agriculture and worst of all the region is becoming more of a desert every day thanks to climate change!! If you don't know anything just open google earth and check out the difference between southeastern Turkey and Syria that Turkish side is full of farms while literally few hundred metres away inside Syria it is desert. Sadly it is just a lost cause and only offering more suffering for Kurdish people which is exactly why vast majority of Turkish Kurds don't support an independent country while Syrian and Iraqi Kurds want an independent country indeed as they faced severe discriminations and even atrocities in the past. So this is just another example wicked politics that ''westerners saving lives'', ''westerners distributing justice and freedom'' therefore they greatly support a Kurdish state but no worries even if their ''saving Kurdish nation'' operation fails same as Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc they could just blame Kurdish refugee wave on Turkey and claim wicked Turkish politicians are deliberately sending them into Europe, right??..
Where was the informative part ? From religion to political situation to langueages spoken.. not even close to reality
Ask what the British would do...then do the opposite. Only way to ensure peace.
Britain did nothing wrong.
I laughed out fucking loud hahahaha
@@vulkanofnocturne they literally splitted up kurdish land lol
@@Engifarting456 They just defeated the Ottoman Empire, and had a few Empires in Europe left to fight, so it makes sense they'd want to prevent another threat forming after the work of defeating the Ottomans. It turns out the Kurds were a good countermeasure. It was a practical solution at a time where resources were pressed. Anyone in Britains position would do the same.
@@vulkanofnocturne Well, considering the Kurds were an ally to the British (and the French) and were essential defeating the Ottoman Empire, they could've installed a Kurdish democracy that would be preventing other threats from rising in the region. With support of the British, this would certainly be a possible option, though turkey had the last say for some reason.
In Iraq, Kurdistan runs as a Autonomous region not province, it has its own parliament, own president, prime minister, and independent trade exports and imports to its own regional borders, Kurdistan region also have a different visa to Iraq its self and they also have their own official army, you could argue that it pretty much is its own country, they also held a independence referendum which supports the right for self determination for the people of Kurdistan in that region, just because Kurdistan didn’t declare it’s independence doesn’t mean it won’t do it, many countries we see on the maps today didn’t declare independence straight away either, Kurdistan also have representatives in 14 countries that pretty much runs like an embassy. This autonomous region itself was seemed impossible dream decades ago, it is a great achievement from the Kurds, which will eventually declare its independence rightly so as it is the will of the people, and many major countries including regional countries like turkey will have to support the declaration as it is not benefiting from Iraq anymore.
Thinking Turkey will support the Kurds is foolish of you. Kurdistan independence will unleash hell from Iran and turkey.
Well at least Turkey Trade with Iraqi Kurdistan much more than with Iraq
@@muysli.y1855 because they have no choice its landlocked country
@آشوربانيبال ملك آشور we are not against Iraq. I’m Kurdish and I love the Iraqi people and welcome you like my brothers in Kurdistan, but being a Kurd first and foremost I do love to live in an independent and sovereign Kurdistan someday. Just like you as an Iraqi Arab have the right to live in your own country named Iraq, so do I have the right to live in my own country named Kurdistan.
I support more personal freedoms and less corrupt governments. Nationalist ideas whether Arab, Kurdish or Turkish are very destructive and they cause wars. Foreign countries are supporting Kurds to blackmail Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran and subsequently Kurds get killed. This is stupid and sad.
What wasn't mentioned and really should have been is that Kurdish fighters in Iraq and Syria were hugely involved in the fight against ISIS and provided much-needed intelligence and resources to Western forces. And yet, as has become par for the course for the US, when they left they didn't hold up their end of the deal in terms of aid and just left the Kurds to continue the fight alone. After everything they've done the very least the international community could do is recognize their sovereignty at least in Iraq
true. The USA left and let the Kurds face the Turkish military...
@@idraote *trump
@Jean Sanchez rojava isnt marxist or leninist nor even comunist or socialist
@Jean Sanchez Libertarian socialists? In a Western European perspective, the Democrats in the USA are comparable to the right-wing people's parties, the EPP in the EU Parliament, while the Republicans are comparable to the ultra-right, the ECR and ID in the EU Parliament. There are no real leftists in the USA. That is why the political system in the USA is so criticized and the population so incredibly divided.
Oh no. I'm so sad that the cop-killing communist terrorists won't be able to establish a race-based regime inside the territory of several internationally recognized sovereign states including a NATO ally
TLDR: Unless you have console commands, it’s a no.
"release kur"
@@mangonel which mod ?
@@mangonel I agree fellow TommyKay viewer, that's probably the easiest way to get the achievement
@@youtubenotifications2150 do you guys have link to video?
@@mangonel thank you
Much love to our kurdish brothers from bosnia 🇧🇦❤☀️
are u a Muslim?
@@arolemaprarath6615 yes, but it doesnt matter because tolarance is something everybody should do more often
@@kingdedede584 It means u are not European. Bosnia is Arab like Kosovo and Albania.
@@arolemaprarath6615 ???? Better start making sense, will ya?
@@kingdedede584 Of course. Muhammad had 13 wives including 6 years old A'isha. Bosnia is as backward as Saudi and Afghanistan. You are not a Slav nor European. We dont claim you, Arabs wannabe!
Great topic idea. Genuinely impressed.
Really enjoyed the video but surprised the Republic of Marhabad (1946) was not mentioned further. Still a lot of good info. Keep up the great work!
Mahabad*
@@WallyZamwa ✌️❤🌹
Soviet back fake communist state that lost control the moment soviet leave Iran.
Funny how during the ISIS war everyone supported Kurds and Kurdistan. Now the same people don't even remember what Kurds are figting for
This is a Turkish channel
They’ve always hated kurds and let ISIS do whatever it wanted until they started losing and they are currently protecting Al Qaeda forces
I support my Kurdish bros ❤️
@@jonathanwilliams1065 No, it isn't. It's British. You're confusing it with TRT.
@EpsilonDeltaCriterion absolutely no we promised ourselves for either kurdistan or execution
@@jonathanwilliams1065 i was already expecting that this is a turkish channel, nobody would talk about kurds like turks do
LOVE KURDISTAN FROM BRAZIL 💛🇧🇷
@آشوربانيبال ملك آشور Are you from Syria ???
@آشوربانيبال ملك آشور Assyria is iraq or syrian City????
We love BRAZIL 🇧🇷
What can your country do about it?
Netherlands: watch, observe and ultimately do nothing.
This comment made me chuckle. Thanks :-).
There were several major mistakes as expected from ''neutral media'' like forgetting to mention PKK is considered as a terrorist organization by 36 countries in the world including US, UK, EU, Australia, Japan etc simply because they targeted civilians literally hundreds of times from public squire, bus, station, stadium bombings to randomly planting mines in rural areas of southeastern Turkey!! Same goes for somehow acting like Kurdish people are treated similarly in all those countries while in reality Syria didn't even give them citizenship for over 50 years rather considered them as illegal population without even basic rights, Iraq committed great atrocities against them including even chemical attacks and they always had limited citizenship and discriminated against, Iran considers them as Iranians and they had much better conditions and rights in Iran than those countries but because Kurdish people are Sunnis Iran doesn't even allow them to operate a political party and join Iranian parliament!! On the other hand Turkey always considered them as full and equal citizens, in fact Turkey doesn't even collect data about who are Kurdish, Turkish or who believes in what religion. For example Turkish army which is ''wickedly targeting Kurds'' according to some is actually a 20% Kurdish force as every male citizen of Turkey has to do his mandatory military service. And there have been many Kurdish parties and politicians representing themselves in the parliament, Turkey even had a Kurdish president called Turgut Özal!! Sure, there were discriminations against Kurdish language such as operating radio channels or publishing books other than Turkish was forbidden so it wasn't exactly against Kurdish rather other minority languages as well like Laz, Zaza etc. Those laws have been changed several decades ago ofc so it is a total nonsense Kurdish people are still ''a persecuted minority'' in Turkey, in fact they are so ''persecuted'' 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not Eastern Turkey while the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj or Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! So Kurdish people don't live as ''a persecuted minority'' in remote locations like Syria, Iraq or Iran rather they live all around Turkey and no lunatic has any right to put Turkey into same bag with those countries...
About if Kurdish people will have an independent country or not, even if i support a Kurdish country in Iraq (Also Syria if they could expel PKK terrorists from their ranks same as Kurdish regional government of northern Iraq did) because they suffered greatly in past decades but i still doubt there will be ever a Kurdish country. There are many reasons for this that some of them mentioned correctly in the video like Kurdish people don't have an unity at all and their political beliefs are severely changing according to their regions. But perhaps the biggest reason there aren't enough resources in their majority lands, for example Kurdish regional government has significant oil fields and earning like 90% of their income from oil but even then it barely covers the needs of 5 million Kurdish people in KRG alone then how come those oil fields can cover the needs of 30 million Kurdish people??? Perhaps they could do agriculture instead right but sadly without dozens of dams Turkey constructed in eastern Turkey it isn't possible to do even agriculture and worst of all the region is becoming more of a desert every day thanks to climate change!! If you don't know anything just open google earth and check out the difference between southeastern Turkey and Syria that Turkish side is full of farms while literally few hundred metres away inside Syria it is desert. Sadly it is just a lost cause and only offering more suffering for Kurdish people which is exactly why vast majority of Turkish Kurds don't support an independent country while Syrian and Iraqi Kurds want an independent country indeed as they faced severe discriminations and even atrocities in the past. So this is just another example wicked politics that ''westerners saving lives'', ''westerners distributing justice and freedom'' therefore they greatly support a Kurdish state but no worries even if their ''saving Kurdish nation'' operation fails same as Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc they could just blame Kurdish refugee wave on Turkey and claim wicked Turkish politicians are deliberately sending them into Europe, right??..
@@ggoddkkiller1342 Yes, it really do be like that sometimes. The Netherlands calls upon all parties to work towards a peaceful solution.
well the kurds make up about 9% of the population of syria, but 50% of the syrians in the netherlands are kurds, half of the syrian refugees in the netherlands are kurds , so the netherlands is actually doing something .
😅😅
Newly subscribed, very impressive and neutral videos. I applaud you. Regarding the Kurds, right now there can be two Kurdish majority states, one in Iraq and another, Rojava, in Syria. In both cases, their respective territories are more stable than those controlled by the central governments, they are more democratic and inclusive. In any case, it's not what the other players think, it's up to the Kurdish people themselves to decide. If they decide to be independent, then they should be recognized as such, they deserve it.
If the Kurds declared a state tomorrow, turkey would invade under some bullshit excuse and it would just be a disaster
@@kanalsiliniyor73 depends on who´s in power.
@@kanalsiliniyor73 like how they didnt allow us to enter northern syria xD
@@xeon39688 we aint weak
@@MoonIronTR yes take credit for invading a bunch of civilians for no reason, taking a bunch of casualties and then leaving😂😂
I'd be cool with the Kurds not getting bullied by every other power in the region. As a Polish descendent, I know how that feeling is....
Wow ur from Poland and u want sympathy so typical of polish people
There were several major mistakes as expected from ''neutral media'' like forgetting to mention PKK is considered as a terrorist organization by 36 countries in the world including US, UK, EU, Australia, Japan etc simply because they targeted civilians literally hundreds of times from public squire, bus, station, stadium bombings to randomly planting mines in rural areas of southeastern Turkey!! Same goes for somehow acting like Kurdish people are treated similarly in all those countries while in reality Syria didn't even give them citizenship for over 50 years rather considered them as illegal population without even basic rights, Iraq committed great atrocities against them including even chemical attacks and they always had limited citizenship and discriminated against, Iran considers them as Iranians and they had much better conditions and rights in Iran than those countries but because Kurdish people are Sunnis Iran doesn't even allow them to operate a political party and join Iranian parliament!! On the other hand Turkey always considered them as full and equal citizens, in fact Turkey doesn't even collect data about who are Kurdish, Turkish or who believes in what religion. For example Turkish army which is ''wickedly targeting Kurds'' according to some is actually a 20% Kurdish force as every male citizen of Turkey has to do his mandatory military service. And there have been many Kurdish parties and politicians representing themselves in the parliament, Turkey even had a Kurdish president called Turgut Özal!! Sure, there were discriminations against Kurdish language such as operating radio channels or publishing books other than Turkish was forbidden so it wasn't exactly against Kurdish rather other minority languages as well like Laz, Zaza etc. Those laws have been changed several decades ago ofc so it is a total nonsense Kurdish people are still ''a persecuted minority'' in Turkey, in fact they are so ''persecuted'' 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not Eastern Turkey while the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj or Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! So Kurdish people don't live as ''a persecuted minority'' in remote locations like Syria, Iraq or Iran rather they live all around Turkey and no lunatic has any right to put Turkey into same bag with those countries...
About if Kurdish people will have an independent country or not, even if i support a Kurdish country in Iraq (Also Syria if they could expel PKK terrorists from their ranks same as Kurdish regional government of northern Iraq did) because they suffered greatly in past decades but i still doubt there will be ever a Kurdish country. There are many reasons for this that some of them mentioned correctly in the video like Kurdish people don't have an unity at all and their political beliefs are severely changing according to their regions. But perhaps the biggest reason there aren't enough resources in their majority lands, for example Kurdish regional government has significant oil fields and earning like 90% of their income from oil but even then it barely covers the needs of 5 million Kurdish people in KRG alone then how come those oil fields can cover the needs of 30 million Kurdish people??? Perhaps they could do agriculture instead right but sadly without dozens of dams Turkey constructed in eastern Turkey it isn't possible to do even agriculture and worst of all the region is becoming more of a desert every day thanks to climate change!! If you don't know anything just open google earth and check out the difference between southeastern Turkey and Syria that Turkish side is full of farms while literally few hundred metres away inside Syria it is desert. Sadly it is just a lost cause and only offering more suffering for Kurdish people which is exactly why vast majority of Turkish Kurds don't support an independent country while Syrian and Iraqi Kurds want an independent country indeed as they faced severe discriminations and even atrocities in the past. So this is just another example wicked politics that ''westerners saving lives'', ''westerners distributing justice and freedom'' therefore they greatly support a Kurdish state but no worries even if their ''saving Kurdish nation'' operation fails same as Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc they could just blame Kurdish refugee wave on Turkey and claim wicked Turkish politicians are deliberately sending them into Europe, right?..
@@DoubleAAce what is typical Polish people ? They have stable and fairly normal place live in , cry on somewhere arab
@DeepStateRep what who said im turkish 😂
@@Hezdaro im not arab 😂 kinda racist for u to assume that also most arab countries have a higher gdp than poland :)
Honestly, they are the largest ethnic group without a country and they proved their worth in defeating ISIS to protect their lands so they kind of deserve one. Even according to Islam, it is wrong to force a people to live with you against their own will. I personally support a Kurdistan but i can understand why Syria, Iraq, Iran and Turkey don't want it to happen because they don't want their countries to be split apart.
Only time will tell what the future holds in store for Kurds.
@آشوربانيبال ملك آشور Troll elsewhere, they originate from Northern Iraq and North-Western Iran. The way they are treated in every country they live in, i don't blame them for vouching for independence.
@آشوربانيبال ملك آشور no we don’t have history in iraq… we rather have history in Kurdistan if you think about it
This comment is most logical comment under this video
This comment is the best, it includes both sides in a good way 👍
They don't deserve independence and will never get it
Italy had to wait 14 centuries before finding again its unity after the collapse of the empire and in some congresses in the past this issue of the Italian unity and indipendence was discussed (1856, 1859). I hope the same can happen with the Kurdish nation.
As an Italian, let's hope that IF they get it, the first decades of Indipendence won't be as shaky as Italys.
in 14 centuries I don2t think nationality will even be a thing
Big love to Italy
Massive love to Italians as always.
You can give the Kurds a state in Europe. And they live better there. Don't be a hypocrite and give them a piece of land
Kurdistan will probably never exist, such a state is geopolitically untenable in the currant environment and none of the countries who's borders overlap the area would tolerate the loss of territory or the potential safe haven for nationalist movements an independent Kurdish state would create. The best those people can hope for is local autonomy and gradual assimilation into their host nations.
As a kurd.... Yeah, you're right 😔
Turkey has been trying to assimilate Kurds for a 100 years through some awful means, it’ll never happen and the only peaceful resolution is full Kurdish autonomy and rights
I don't get it why Palestinian should have a country and they don't need to assimilate in to Israel, but to the curds everyone is telling them to give up and only hope at best for an autonomy, this is nonsense
Never give up! Fight for Kurdistan ❤
@@chnsm If anything a Palestinian state (that co-exists with Israel) is even less viable as a country as Kurdistan would be, but the politics around that issue are shall we say "unique"
As a Kurdish citizen in Iraqi Kurdistan, we’ll be an independent country in the nearby future.
At least I hope so.
The strong do as they can and the weak suffer what they must. Make use of the weak Iraqi goverment. Ensure that no one can challenge your power in the region. Maybe take control of the dam controlling Baghdads watersupply.
@آشوربانيبال ملك آشور your country is weak. Saddam kept your country together through fear. Without him there is nothing that keeps it together. Go ahead. Enforce your might in the north as proud Iraqi. You'll see how weak your country really is. If it wasn't for Iran, daesh would be running the show.
@آشوربانيبال ملك آشور Goodluck with waiting for the next Saddam.
I think Iraqi Kurdistan is the closest entity to become the independent Kurdish state and in my humble opinion, that would constitute one of the main pillars of stability in the region. It would also help bring an end to the Kurdish problem in Turkey - provided that a solid border and cooperation agreement is reached.
@آشوربانيبال ملك آشور im pretty sure turkey and iraq has the strongest but alr 💀
"Only the Kurds have been permanent minority" what about the Syriac ( Aramean ,Assyrian , Chaldean) ,people who's blood has been spilled after many genocides.
Well they vanished and turned to be the todays syrian arabs, armenia literally made more losses than them.
Their numbers are too small compared to the Kurdish who are around 30 to 40 million people
@@shersaid7489 What? The Arabs living in Syria are unrelated to Assyrians. Also they still exist, although they have been mostly moved out of their native lands.
@@shersaid7489 They did not vanish and are still present in their homeland however to many conflicts have moved out.
@@__Man__ Nonsense, has the world not learned from the past experiences in creating an ethnic nationalist state is horrible. You think that the Kurds would have learned this themselves first hand since they suffered under Baathist and Turkish regimes.
I fully support the creation of an independent, sovereign Kurdistan. What borders it should have should be a matter negotiated between the various ethnic and religious groups in the region. While I can see the economic and strategic value of access to the Persian Gulf, it doesn’t make sense as the Kurds are a minority along that route. However I don’t feel right about Kurdistan being potentially a landlocked country- if I were a Kurdish statesman, I’d consider advocating for bumping out the western border to the Mediterranean Sea as a means of securing access to oceanic commerce. However, that’s up to them, as I’m not Kurdish myself, just an American dude who has a soft spot for the Kurdish people 😊
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Manny kurds so actually live in lands up the the Mediterranean so this is a possibility.
@@clasicpotato😂 so? Doesn't make the land theirs.
@@skp8748 People don't own their own land?
It's an age old problem. Boundaries are useful within a state but if you try to carve out a new state from 1 or more old ones then they are going to be inconvenient to some, especially those who will be obligated to take a walk. But it's also bad if the group is divided between states - they want a relationship with their cousins but each state wants them to gravitate to the center. The status quo leads to fewer deaths but leaves people feeling like exiles in their own homes.
The whole 'in their own homes' narrative was actually debunked in this video if you watched carefully. Or simply go to Wikipedia and read them up. The only sources that mention them, actually point out that these folks were inhabiting Zagros mountain. They definitely weren't from the Mesopotamian region or even Anatolia. And that's 💯% reasonable if you think of them as close cousins of the other Iranian folks like the Persians. They shared the same geography without ever being able to establish an independent state for themselves. They invaded what is modern Turkey, Syria and flat regions of Iraq only after Turks and other tribes invaded and obliterated the former states in the region. That was the vacuum they used to settle those regions. If you look up ancient maps, you clearly see those regions were either Roman, Armenian, Assyrian, Aramean or under Arabic rule/inhabitance. With Seljuks in 1020s and following nomadic invasions the region changed its face completely making it possible for Muslim-converted Kurds to actually being allowed to go to these places in large groups.
Now tell me, who is the owner of the house and who is the settler? Armenians and Greeks have both their nations. It's a little bit sad for Arameans, Syriacs, Chaldeans etc but yeah that's life for you. Kurds have definitely no reason to claim ownership on these lands. Which is the reason nobody will budge. The most reasonable way is integration of these folks as all modern nations did with sizable minorities in the 18th-21th centuries of nationalism.
@@minzblattDo you want to see several hundred years old maps showing Kurdistan?
@@minzblattnot true. Kurds were present in 360 AD they were already in modern day cizre
First of all, ignoring any geopolitical limiting factors and just focusing on basic morality, obviously it's best to do what most kurds believe is right. Of course in reality there are many political issues that make this decision not optimal, but regarding the question *should* the kurds have a state in a perfect world, I think that if they want to it is their basic national right, and they should have one.
Tell me you don’t know what geo-politics and national integrity are, without actually telling me you don’t know what geo-politics and national integrity are
@@quartzking3997 first of all, yeah sorry I meant to answer the question on moral grounds, like *should* there be a Kurdish nation rather than is it possible or would it make sense in practice to have one. That is a completely different question, but honestly even to that question the answer might be yes. Anyways, I'll change the comment to make it more clear.
Also by the way, I'm not some political genius or anything but I do not think it's fair to say that I "don't know geopolitics". I understand why you would infer that if you misunderstood my comment, but still that seems like bit of an early judgment, like saying to a professor that he doesn't know mathematics if he did some basic arithmetic error.
ethno states are unethical, also im Iranian lol
Isn't this as stupid as African Americans wanting to carve out land from the US from themselves?
Even talking on moral grounds, what if there are also Turks, Arabs, and countless ethnic groups living in this "greater kurdistan", what of their wishes?
TLDR 7:16 thanks for sharing this important information. You ask a important question.
Kurd ,Kurdi ,Kurdistan ✊
Turkey needs to incorporate Kurds into its government. I am saying this as a Turk. About 5 years ago, the pro-Kurdish party HDP almost won 10% of the Parliament. However, the a-hole Erdogan pulled some shenanigans and kicked out the HDP. As a side note, in order to broaden its base, it championed minority rights and it was popular with the LGBT. It was also Socialist to attract labor voters. Even though I am not a Kurd, I still voted for the HDP, because if minorities do not have a say in government, then democracy dies. Having the HDP in the Turkish Parliament would have went a long way. But if the Kurds do not have a say in government and you severely restrain them, is it any surprise that a portion of them will violently react and become terrorists? (more like freedom fighters) The actions of Erdogan and his government are forcing Kurds to become terrorists.
erdogan is the most pro-kurd president in recent history. kurdish bans by the previous government were lifted. domestic terrorism reached a new low compared to 80-90's... etc. this is also reflected by the millions of kurdish akp voters.
@@melisa.o If what you say were true, then why was the HDP kicked out of Parliament? A-hole Erdogan is pro-Kurdish as long as they vote for him. Look happened when they did not.
@@Tansu_E milletvekilleri var zaten ben mi yanlış anladım?
@@Tansu_E HDP is not pro-Kurdish. It's pro-terrorist.
Also HDP isn't an independent party. It can't even take a piss without asking permission of PKK
@@zarasha2024 My apologies if I have offended, and I am sorry for all the inhumane brutality Kurds have went through and continue to go through. What I am trying to say is, if Kurds do not have a say in Turkey's government, then democracy in Turkey is dead.
As a Kurd I say I want my land and I need a country, thank you so much for your video❤
Jew wanted Land and they stole Palestinian and all Arab Jews that were stablished in the country of origin like Iraque were bombed and forced by Zionists to come to newly created Israel , 75 years later they are still committing genocidas. Why because they acted upon their wants. Muhammad prophet (pbuh) said “ Avoide full filing all your needs because it will bring the envy of others “ in case of Israel is not their needs it is wants , genocidas , apartheid and settler’s colonialism. Who is to say that Kurd will not be doing the same thing once they get there impossible county. I think the Kurdish seprtest in Turku and other counties is the will of west to divid and concur Muslims , we should rise above and do what Allah has said “ hold on to the rope of Allah, Quran and do not be divided. Kurd should be good and equal citizens of whichever country they reside in weather Turkey Iraque or Iran or citizen of this world. At the end of the day “ Allah is the inheritor of heavens and earth”Quran
No, you won't.
@@arghost9798 free Kurdistan
@@marziaball5089 Israel didn’t stole from nobody what was theirs to begin with. Jerusalem had more hews than muslims until 19th century, Hebron is a Hebrew name and is the second holiest city for jews where jews lived since biblical times. We had two kingdoms in this land, and were exiled by Rome, and colonized by the Arabs. We re-established our national home in what was a back then a backwater region of the ottomans which was sparsely populated and the people there didn’t even call themselves “palestinian”. The whole “palestinian” identity is a mere negation of the jewish state because of envy and feelings of Arab prestige that was lost. Arab muslims of the region have Jordan, Syria, Egypt, and Iraq as Arab conquered failed states to live in, no need to drag down who is better than you.
#freekurdistan
It just amuses me how people from other parts of the world can come up with super good solutions that will work for sure, without the slightest idea on the topic.
My thoughts exactly
Is it about the video or comments?
@@LoveScreamTrue probably both
@آشوربانيبال ملك آشور Could it be your government kind of did not want you to know? :)
They're literally the one of the oldest ethnic group in the regions, older than turks for example. But hey, Im not gonna waste my time talking to brainwashed people on the internet any further, because what you consider as "truth" is way different than the actual truth. Probably. Most likely.
This is so well-made! Thank you so much 🙏🏻
It’s time too become Kurdish country long lived Kurdistan ❤️❤️❤️👍
@@jamesbarack7685 It will never happen
@@ada45169Turkish Riggy be like:
@@ada45169 The lord of light is laughing everything bout to change...
Kurdish people like all others want a better future, having a national state serves only some interests.
Im in favour of a multi ethnic, liberal federal system in the middle east. What we all need is freedom & peace.
@Marcus I agree. Palestine lost a war. So did the rest of the Arabs. Therefore Israel has full ownership of Israel and “Palestine”. If you disagree then you support Kurdistan. If you agree, you support Israel. What’s it gonna be Arabs? Support Israel or Kurdistan, or be seen as hypocritical idiots?
Kurds don't know how to be a Governor of a state too , Kurdish government in Iraq are very corrupted
The fact that neither Turkey nor Iran will ever agree isn't reason enough not to create a Kurdish state.
The borders can be established in a conservative way, only chosing the areas where Kurds are an outright majority and have been for centuries. The territories in Northern Syria and Iraq are right now essentially undisputed, at least if Turkey doesn't interfere (they are, interfering, of course).
Turkey stands to lose a big chunk of its territory and there are apparently many Turkish Kurds who don't want to live in a Kurdish state but prefer things as they are. A UN supervised referendum could establish whether this is true and draw a map, allowing Kurds who want to stay in Turkey to do exactly that.
Aren’t there essentially TWO Kurdish one party states in Iraq now, none of them with rule of law? Add in a couple more from Syria and you’ll have a big mess if you try to create a single Kurdish state...
(And with Turkish Kurdistan you will get yet another single party state...)
@@peterfireflylund Considering that in Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq the rule of law is very wobbly on its feet, this seems to be a rather moot point.
As for the actual shape a Kurdish state(s) will have, there is a huge number of so-called middle-east experts, organisations, initiatives. I am sure the UN can - if they want - create a very competent committee to debate all the issues and solve them before actually creating anything.
Turkey doesn't even do a proper count of Kurds in their census, let alone a referendum
And why would Turkey go along with any of that?
@@landlordize Maybe some nuclear threats should motivate them
If 30 years ago any analyst would suggest that there will be a country with 2 million people called Kosovo that analyst will probably have to change jobs. Now you are saying that 40 million people will not have a country?
Yes
You are smart
I mean yes especially if this “country” was surrounded by Turkey, Iran and Arabs
All the love from South Kurdistan ❤☀️💚✌🏻
@آشوربانيبال ملك آشور Assyria doesn't exist anymore so calling yourself "Assyrian" is silly.
@@GreaterAfghanistanMovement but i see so many kurds accept that area as a kurdish but real owners of most area in middle east is assryans 🤔
@@ERROR-sn7hg Assyrians are a minority in Iraq, you will only find them in small sections of the north but majority have fled to the United States during Saddam's regime. Blame them for leaving their lands behind and letting Arabs & Kurds occupy it.
@@GreaterAfghanistanMovement agree with you but if someone have to say it is my land there is only 1 nation it is asryians but you are right
God how could you get so much wrong, a video on Kurds shouldn’t be so ignorant on the Kurdish issue, the Kurds are a nation the only reason they don’t have a state is only political they have all the right to do so as a nation.
I’m saying this as a Kurd, if you really want to know about us this video really isn’t the best place, it’s the most simplified( and honestly wrong on manny points) explanation you’re getting.
I’m kurd too I really hope we will be independent
Do a video about the statehood & referendums of Tamil Eelam (previously being de-facto state but it’s currently a strong aspiration of Eelam Tamils on the island & in the diaspora (due to continuous marginalisation and discrimination against Tamils
Kurdistan will be State, I promise you
hmm...no
depends on how much they're willing to sacrifice. Even if they managed to become one, they will still be landlocked and oppressed
@@doctorwhat779 Depends if your talking about iraqi or greater
How
Not in turkiye
This was a really well done video. Well done guys, you did your research on this one
How toxic do you want the comments section to be?
Team TLDR: Yes.
Ah shit your name kills me xD
Why not give the Kurds a portion of Syria/irak? They are a huge minority there, aswell and could help to stabilize the region. Though I am doubtful, that turkey would accept that, as they fear a seperist movement of their own Kurds. Everyone would have to plausibly ty their hands, and probably there would be need for a demilitarized bufferszone.
The Kurdish population in Turkey is at least twice the Kurdish population in Syria+Iraq, just for context.
the Turks invaded Syria because the Kurds had already started to form a functioning society along the border during the ongoing civil war. no way the Turks will allow that to happen for fear of emboldening the PPK and PPY which both started as political parties in Turky but are now designated as terrorisrts and and have had war decared upon them by the Turkish government that is now nearly 50 years old. the sheer closeness they have gotten to controlling the lands in which they live has sparked quite a bit of the instability in the region. they will not be allowed to stabilize the region. Kurds in Iran nearly have an autonomous province? Iran Declares a Jihad. Kurdish forces stabilize a portion of Syria along almost the entire northern border? turky declares war and invades because Syria is too weak to smack the kurds down. the turks eventually end up splitting the controled area in two then driving them eventually up into the north eastern corner you see on this map today while destabilizing and heating up the civil war that had been cooling down and also getting Russia involved. Kurdish state functions better in iraq than the rest of Iraq? litterally put under seige and have the water cut off to bring them back down to the level of everyone else. and yet Iraq's autonomous zone is the closest they are ever likely to get to being masters of their own destiny. and even then active war breaks out between various faction and the Kurdish Autonomous region all the time. when the US gets involved they would take the Kurdish side more often than not as they are particularly hostile to forces like ISIS/ISIL and Al-Queada. however even that relationship was conditional and oft abandoned at a moments notice on both sides. thus it is as it always has been the Kurds have no friends but the mountians.
@@scorpioneldar in short, a huge mess
@@scorpioneldar There were several major mistakes as expected from ''neutral media'' like forgetting to mention PKK is considered as a terrorist organization by 36 countries in the world including US, UK, EU, Australia, Japan etc simply because they targeted civilians literally hundreds of times from public squire, bus, station, stadium bombings to randomly planting mines in rural areas of southeastern Turkey!! Same goes for somehow acting like Kurdish people are treated similarly in all those countries while in reality Syria didn't even give them citizenship for over 50 years rather considered them as illegal population without even basic rights, Iraq committed great atrocities against them including even chemical attacks and they always had limited citizenship and discriminated against, Iran considers them as Iranians and they had much better conditions and rights in Iran than those countries but because Kurdish people are Sunnis Iran doesn't even allow them to operate a political party and join Iranian parliament!! On the other hand Turkey always considered them as full and equal citizens, in fact Turkey doesn't even collect data about who are Kurdish, Turkish or who believes in what religion. For example Turkish army which is ''wickedly targeting Kurds'' according to some is actually a 20% Kurdish force as every male citizen of Turkey has to do his mandatory military service. And there have been many Kurdish parties and politicians representing themselves in the parliament, Turkey even had a Kurdish president called Turgut Özal!! Sure, there were discriminations against Kurdish language such as operating radio channels or publishing books other than Turkish was forbidden so it wasn't exactly against Kurdish rather other minority languages as well like Laz, Zaza etc. Those laws have been changed several decades ago ofc so it is a total nonsense Kurdish people are still ''a persecuted minority'' in Turkey, in fact they are so ''persecuted'' 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not Eastern Turkey while the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj or Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! So Kurdish people don't live as ''a persecuted minority'' in remote locations like Syria, Iraq or Iran rather they live all around Turkey and no lunatic has any right to put Turkey into same bag with those countries...
About if Kurdish people will have an independent country or not, even if i support a Kurdish country in Iraq (Also Syria if they could expel PKK terrorists from their ranks same as Kurdish regional government of northern Iraq did) because they suffered greatly in past decades but i still doubt there will be ever a Kurdish country. There are many reasons for this that some of them mentioned correctly in the video like Kurdish people don't have an unity at all and their political beliefs are severely changing according to their regions. But perhaps the biggest reason there aren't enough resources in their majority lands, for example Kurdish regional government has significant oil fields and earning like 90% of their income from oil but even then it barely covers the needs of 5 million Kurdish people in KRG alone then how come those oil fields can cover the needs of 30 million Kurdish people??? Perhaps they could do agriculture instead right but sadly without dozens of dams Turkey constructed in eastern Turkey it isn't possible to do even agriculture and worst of all the region is becoming more of a desert every day thanks to climate change!! If you don't know anything just open google earth and check out the difference between southeastern Turkey and Syria that Turkish side is full of farms while literally few hundred metres away inside Syria it is desert. Sadly it is just a lost cause and only offering more suffering for Kurdish people which is exactly why vast majority of Turkish Kurds don't support an independent country while Syrian and Iraqi Kurds want an independent country indeed as they faced severe discriminations and even atrocities in the past. So this is just another example wicked politics that ''westerners saving lives'', ''westerners distributing justice and freedom'' therefore they greatly support a Kurdish state but no worries even if their ''saving Kurdish nation'' operation fails same as Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc they could just blame Kurdish refugee wave on Turkey and claim wicked Turkish politicians are deliberately sending them into Europe, right??..
If you open that can worms theres an agrument to cut up any country
Remember South Sudan 🇸🇸 is still the newest country only being 10 years old but we will see new countries /independence movements coming soon like Bougainville and Catalonia
catalonia happened but lasted 8 seconds
south sudan makes somalia look like a stable nation
Bougainvillea is going to be an independent country only in 2027
LOLLLLL I'm older than South Sudan
you won't see Catalonia any time soon, Scotland is more likely since the rest of the UK probably wouldn't go out of their way to obstruct a referendum
@@enderman_666 that’s true
The real reason is because no regional or great power would benefit from an independent Kurdistan
they want to steal kurdish oil lets be honest
So commenters, what's your Kurdish 5 state solution?
None, it will be a mess either way
There were several major mistakes as expected from ''neutral media'' like forgetting to mention PKK is considered as a terrorist organization by 36 countries in the world including US, UK, EU, Australia, Japan etc simply because they targeted civilians literally hundreds of times from public squire, bus, station, stadium bombings to randomly planting mines in rural areas of southeastern Turkey!! Same goes for somehow acting like Kurdish people are treated similarly in all those countries while in reality Syria didn't even give them citizenship for over 50 years rather considered them as illegal population without even basic rights, Iraq committed great atrocities against them including even chemical attacks and they always had limited citizenship and discriminated against, Iran considers them as Iranians and they had much better conditions and rights in Iran than those countries but because Kurdish people are Sunnis Iran doesn't even allow them to operate a political party and join Iranian parliament!! On the other hand Turkey always considered them as full and equal citizens, in fact Turkey doesn't even collect data about who are Kurdish, Turkish or who believes in what religion. For example Turkish army which is ''wickedly targeting Kurds'' according to some is actually a 20% Kurdish force as every male citizen of Turkey has to do his mandatory military service. And there have been many Kurdish parties and politicians representing themselves in the parliament, Turkey even had a Kurdish president called Turgut Özal!! Sure, there were discriminations against Kurdish language such as operating radio channels or publishing books other than Turkish was forbidden so it wasn't exactly against Kurdish rather other minority languages as well like Laz, Zaza etc. Those laws have been changed several decades ago ofc so it is a total nonsense Kurdish people are still ''a persecuted minority'' in Turkey, in fact they are so ''persecuted'' 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not Eastern Turkey while the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj or Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! So Kurdish people don't live as ''a persecuted minority'' in remote locations like Syria, Iraq or Iran rather they live all around Turkey and no lunatic has any right to put Turkey into same bag with those countries...
About if Kurdish people will have an independent country or not, even if i support a Kurdish country in Iraq (Also Syria if they could expel PKK terrorists from their ranks same as Kurdish regional government of northern Iraq did) because they suffered greatly in past decades but i still doubt there will be ever a Kurdish country. There are many reasons for this that some of them mentioned correctly in the video like Kurdish people don't have an unity at all and their political beliefs are severely changing according to their regions. But perhaps the biggest reason there aren't enough resources in their majority lands, for example Kurdish regional government has significant oil fields and earning like 90% of their income from oil but even then it barely covers the needs of 5 million Kurdish people in KRG alone then how come those oil fields can cover the needs of 30 million Kurdish people??? Perhaps they could do agriculture instead right but sadly without dozens of dams Turkey constructed in eastern Turkey it isn't possible to do even agriculture and worst of all the region is becoming more of a desert every day thanks to climate change!! If you don't know anything just open google earth and check out the difference between southeastern Turkey and Syria that Turkish side is full of farms while literally few hundred metres away inside Syria it is desert. Sadly it is just a lost cause and only offering more suffering for Kurdish people which is exactly why vast majority of Turkish Kurds don't support an independent country while Syrian and Iraqi Kurds want an independent country indeed as they faced severe discriminations and even atrocities in the past. So this is just another example wicked politics that ''westerners saving lives'', ''westerners distributing justice and freedom'' therefore they greatly support a Kurdish state but no worries even if their ''saving Kurdish nation'' operation fails same as Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc they could just blame Kurdish refugee wave on Turkey and claim wicked Turkish politicians are deliberately sending them into Europe, right??..
@@ggoddkkiller1342 Out of curiosity do ya mind posting your sources for this stuff?
@@sarmeister1699 I talk about many different subjects in my message so do you want me to post two dozen sources or trying to ''prove'' im wrong ridiculously??? If you ask any spesific subject i would share it's source.
@@ggoddkkiller1342 I mean... if ya have the time to type that entire post, and then even more time to copy and paste it on multiple comments (I've seen 3 so far but I'm guessing there's more). Then it should be easy enough for you to post your sources, either with the posts or in a separate post when asked.
Why are ya getting so defensive?
As a Turkish citizen, I find the video very informative.
As for the question “should be a Kurdish state”, I believe there is a growing concern over how to be ruled. At least in Turkey, what I observe is that people want democracy, rule of law and more freedom which is shared by Turks, Kurds, Arabs and others. I have been living among the Kurds for a while and we share very similar feelings, goals and problems. After all, we just want to live in peace and prosperity with respect to our identities and choices. And I know that this is not unrealistic, actually other way is not even considerable. Thx for the video.
The thing is im a hardliner when it comes to most things but there is no reason to force the kurds to remain turkish. Of course it would be devastating to loose such a large part of the country but as the americans say a nation divided against itself cannot stand. No matter what happens in the future it can never work peacefully. If kurdistan becomes independent tomorrow i think turkey will grow richer and safer since there is just less trouble
There's no point in endless fighting. We should all become civilized enough to respect each other's identities and differences. Once that takes root in our education, economy and humanity will immediately unite us all.
@@kingofrivia1248
See, that's the whole issue. You're just concerned about the land that might be chopped off Turkey. My friend, you as a Turk should demand unity for loving the Kurds themselves as humans and not only the territory they live in. 100 years since the Sykes-Picot agreement that brought death and humiliation to the Kurds couldn't make us the Kurds hate anybody. We are indigenous to the region, all you need is to change your way of thinking to a more inclusive and tolerant one. In the end, whatever is right and just may prevail.
@@romulus1136 I can not be objective about Erdogan as I feel like a victim of him :) But i think it's fair to say that he is currently the only decision maker in, well nearly everything concerning Turkey. From the taxes to foreign affairs, the judiciary to interest rates. Some people adore him, while some others just hate him. For some people in Turkey, he is like the only reason for them to be wealthy nowadays. At the same time, especially well educated people are devastated by his policies of the last decade. Some of them flee the country, some others feel hopeless. Erdogan and some other leaders in other countries found a democratic trick, you just turn the national capital into money, share this wealth among the supporters and yourself of course, and in return keep your popular support to some degree. Lots of similar examples emerged worldwide in many countries for the last two decades.
@Yarsan Salah I don't think there is anything worth answering for this comment, sorry
Just like kurdistan, the Basque Country and Catalonia are both not only regions in Spain but also the region which is both in Spain and France
as a catalan myself, it's cool too see that people still remember us :')
Same goes for Korea. China invaded northern part of Korea which is Manchuria today and occupied it. Manchuria must be part of United Korea.
The Sami nation in Sweden Norway Finland and Russia too.
@@yrkim3018 That's not really what happened. The last imperial dynasty of China started in Manchuria and conquered China. Manchuria conquered China not the other way around.
@@yrkim3018
Ackchuallee, the Manchus conquered the area north of Mt Paektu and the two rivers, becoming Qing China. These borders make a lot of sense geographically. Be glad that territory doesnt belong to the Kim Dynasty
I like the overall video but there are a couple points that this video made that I don't feel are necessarily true:
The point about Kurds not being a well-defined ethnic group is a moot point, given that many ethnic groups could be considered also "not well-defined" such as Arabs, etc. Kurds do have a common language but there are different dialects of that language, so sorani is a different dialect of Kurdi than say Kurmanji, yet people who speak sorani and Kurmanji have similiar words and a shared linguistic origin. Also, Yazidis and such are considered Kurds since they share a common language and cultural origin. The reason for the differentiation in modern times between Kurds and Yazidis is due to a variety of political factors.
The larger point of greater Kurdistan or Kurdistan not existing is somewhat valid, but the KRI (Kurdistan region of Iraq) is the closest in satisfying every element of statehood and I do see this area becoming independent in the near future. As for the regimes in the other states, I do believe that the Ayatollah and Assad regimes do have a chance at collapsing in the near future due to the nature of their states political systems, which could provide an oppurtunity for the movements in those areas to establish some form of defacto autonomy. Something that is a first point towards independence. So, I think the point of Kurdistan never existing is something a bit premature to conclude.
As for the question of should Kurdistan become a real country?
If the Arabs, Turks, Persians and such can have their own country in the wake of Sykes-Picot (and other thinly veiled imperial mandates) and such, then I do not see why Kurds cannot have their own state. One must remember that Arab states engaged in campaigns of homogeneity where they ethnically cleansed, expelled and assimilated minority populations into becoming the state's considered dominant ethnicity. Yet, many people would dare not try argue if Arabs or Turks should have their own state.
I think time will tell if there will be a future Kurdistan. I am of the opinion it will exist, just not at this current moment.
I believe your ‘in the wake of the Sykes picot agreement’ is misused. That agreement, although was creating Arab states, simply demarcated British and French Zones of influence or simply imperial possessions. That was the main point.
On another note, the viability of Kurdistan is implausible. They will have limited resources, infrastructure nor geographical advantage to work with. It is as viable as the Central Asian States of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.
@@comradeofthebalance3147 Don't confuse autonomy and autarchy. Many countries are viable and managed to have success despite a lack of natural resources. The Kurds already inhabit this part of the world and have been able to sustain themselves there for centuries. Giving them a country is purely a legal and political matter: it means they should be able to govern themselves.
@@princevesperal Agreed. The Kurds have shown themselves throughout history to be able to organise their own societies in proto-state structures. Recognising an independent Kurdistan is logical given this history. The KRI and its government the KRG will likely be the first point in this road to statehood. For me, it is not a matter of should the Kurds have a state of their own, but when this state will arise. States have arisen in worse situations (South Sudan, East Timor, etc.)
@@princevesperal And what kind of situation did countries with limited natural resources manage to thrive? A kurdistan will be landlocked and these countries would not exactly make them so developed that they are able to have something as a starting point. I did not say anything relating to them inhabitting what lands so that is irrelevant. You can talk about principles and their right but again it is not plausible given the trajectory in terms of literal concrete development of the region
@@comradeofthebalance3147 Liechtenstein is landlocked and has no natural resources. And yet it is the richest country per capita. Conversely, a country like Congo is very fortunate in terms of natural resources and has access to the sea, yet is rather poor. Those criteria can only give a pronostic about the development of a country, they are far from definitive! If it was not viable to live in this part of the world, nobody would!
As it is at the moment, Kurds have been living there for centuries, and being a part of Iraq, Turkey or Iran is not exactly great for them.
Can you name one country in the world that has regretted gaining independence? When was the last time you heard of a country saying "we've tried independence, but in the end colonial rule was better so we'd like to go back into the imperial fold so we don't have to make decisions for ourselves"?
I think Iraqi Kurdistan has the highest chance of achieving full statehood. But even then, it's not very high.
There were several major mistakes as expected from ''neutral media'' like forgetting to mention PKK is considered as a terrorist organization by 36 countries in the world including US, UK, EU, Australia, Japan etc simply because they targeted civilians literally hundreds of times from public squire, bus, station, stadium bombings to randomly planting mines in rural areas of southeastern Turkey!! Same goes for somehow acting like Kurdish people are treated similarly in all those countries while in reality Syria didn't even give them citizenship for over 50 years rather considered them as illegal population without even basic rights, Iraq committed great atrocities against them including even chemical attacks and they always had limited citizenship and discriminated against, Iran considers them as Iranians and they had much better conditions and rights in Iran than those countries but because Kurdish people are Sunnis Iran doesn't even allow them to operate a political party and join Iranian parliament!! On the other hand Turkey always considered them as full and equal citizens, in fact Turkey doesn't even collect data about who are Kurdish, Turkish or who believes in what religion. For example Turkish army which is ''wickedly targeting Kurds'' according to some is actually a 20% Kurdish force as every male citizen of Turkey has to do his mandatory military service. And there have been many Kurdish parties and politicians representing themselves in the parliament, Turkey even had a Kurdish president called Turgut Özal!! Sure, there were discriminations against Kurdish language such as operating radio channels or publishing books other than Turkish was forbidden so it wasn't exactly against Kurdish rather other minority languages as well like Laz, Zaza etc. Those laws have been changed several decades ago ofc so it is a total nonsense Kurdish people are still ''a persecuted minority'' in Turkey, in fact they are so ''persecuted'' 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not Eastern Turkey while the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj or Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! So Kurdish people don't live as ''a persecuted minority'' in remote locations like Syria, Iraq or Iran rather they live all around Turkey and no lunatic has any right to put Turkey into same bag with those countries...
About if Kurdish people will have an independent country or not, even if i support a Kurdish country in Iraq (Also Syria if they could expel PKK terrorists from their ranks same as Kurdish regional government of northern Iraq did) because they suffered greatly in past decades but i still doubt there will be ever a Kurdish country. There are many reasons for this that some of them mentioned correctly in the video like Kurdish people don't have an unity at all and their political beliefs are severely changing according to their regions. But perhaps the biggest reason there aren't enough resources in their majority lands, for example Kurdish regional government has significant oil fields and earning like 90% of their income from oil but even then it barely covers the needs of 5 million Kurdish people in KRG alone then how come those oil fields can cover the needs of 30 million Kurdish people??? Perhaps they could do agriculture instead right but sadly without dozens of dams Turkey constructed in eastern Turkey it isn't possible to do even agriculture and worst of all the region is becoming more of a desert every day thanks to climate change!! If you don't know anything just open google earth and check out the difference between southeastern Turkey and Syria that Turkish side is full of farms while literally few hundred metres away inside Syria it is desert. Sadly it is just a lost cause and only offering more suffering for Kurdish people which is exactly why vast majority of Turkish Kurds don't support an independent country while Syrian and Iraqi Kurds want an independent country indeed as they faced severe discriminations and even atrocities in the past. So this is just another example wicked politics that ''westerners saving lives'', ''westerners distributing justice and freedom'' therefore they greatly support a Kurdish state but no worries even if their ''saving Kurdish nation'' operation fails same as Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc they could just blame Kurdish refugee wave on Turkey and claim wicked Turkish politicians are deliberately sending them into Europe, right?..
Turkey won't let that happen...it's a very difficult military and geopolitical issue
@@denny6379 says the PKK supporter
It won't happen because PKK siege KRG cities which leads to Iraq send their armies. Iraq will probably annex it in the futurr
@@kebabseverim3364 imagine not wanting genocide... radical stuff huh
All people have a right to self determination ... but man this one is a doozy
Including Hong Kong, Tibet, Palestine, Kurdistan, East Turkmenistan, Kashmir, Abkhazia, and Taiwan. Freedom for the oppressed.
@@ruskyalmond1977 Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, Dagestan,Tatarstan, Bashkotorstan,Karalkapakstan has also the right for self-determination. Freedom for the oppressed.
5:25 actually there was an actual referendum in the autonomous region of Kurdistan to be independent from iraq. The results were that 92.73% said yes to an independent Kurdistan
Maybe release the Iraq and Syria part into a Kurdish state and see from there later maybe add the turkish and Iranian sections
i think only the iraqi one makes sence because rojava has a large syrian arab population which trust me, it will not end up well if they declared independance. i mean like civil war 2.0
@@johnmalik2631 the Arabs there are immigrants (mostly) not locals
So I don’t expect so much fight when it comes to that
Again, those headlines saying "should country do/be/help x" make it looks like it is an actual decision to be made by other countries and not the people/country involved, in this specific video is a shame because the content of the video does explain somewhat well
This video is not well reaserched and is missing many points... on bith sides...
Geopolitics says it won't work. Knowing Kurds, on the other hand, suggests that it'll become one of the most successful state in the region in spite of it all, or more accurately, a very successful anti-state nation. Kurds are all about essential liberty. The late JStark? He was a Kurd.
Liberty ?
Every now and then a girl get killed because of religion in Northern Iraq
@@a.a.6203 And you can bet your ass it wasn't kurds who killed that girl on religious grounds. Kurds don't really give a shit about theology, certainly not enough to end people over it.
@@prfwrx2497 her relatives killed her
Should I google you some articles ?
Or you'd rather still be living in your pink bubble ?
@@prfwrx2497 what is JStark?
No it wont be successful at all. The kurds aren't one people and they dont speak 1 language it would be a catastrophe if they united as one. They should have one autonomous zone in Turkey, Iran and Syria but not a fully independent country. Im a kurd myself and having one big landlocked nation surounded by people that dont neccesarily like you isnt a great solution
Coming from Lebanon, I've met quite a few Kurdish people. They are sometimes looked down upon by others but I do think they deserve at the very least an Autonomous region. Their territory in Iraq is the best example of that but I don't see it happening in other states unless there's major regime change. The revolution in Syria gave them hope they could join their Iraqi brethren but that spooked Erdogan who ended up interfering in Syria for his own reasons.
There were several major mistakes as expected from ''neutral media'' like forgetting to mention PKK is considered as a terrorist organization by 36 countries in the world including US, UK, EU, Australia, Japan etc simply because they targeted civilians literally hundreds of times from public squire, bus, station, stadium bombings to randomly planting mines in rural areas of southeastern Turkey!! Same goes for somehow acting like Kurdish people are treated similarly in all those countries while in reality Syria didn't even give them citizenship for over 50 years rather considered them as illegal population without even basic rights, Iraq committed great atrocities against them including even chemical attacks and they always had limited citizenship and discriminated against, Iran considers them as Iranians and they had much better conditions and rights in Iran than those countries but because Kurdish people are Sunnis Iran doesn't even allow them to operate a political party and join Iranian parliament!! On the other hand Turkey always considered them as full and equal citizens, in fact Turkey doesn't even collect data about who are Kurdish, Turkish or who believes in what religion. For example Turkish army which is ''wickedly targeting Kurds'' according to some is actually a 20% Kurdish force as every male citizen of Turkey has to do his mandatory military service. And there have been many Kurdish parties and politicians representing themselves in the parliament, Turkey even had a Kurdish president called Turgut Özal!! Sure, there were discriminations against Kurdish language such as operating radio channels or publishing books other than Turkish was forbidden so it wasn't exactly against Kurdish rather other minority languages as well like Laz, Zaza etc. Those laws have been changed several decades ago ofc so it is a total nonsense Kurdish people are still ''a persecuted minority'' in Turkey, in fact they are so ''persecuted'' 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not Eastern Turkey while the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj or Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! So Kurdish people don't live as ''a persecuted minority'' in remote locations like Syria, Iraq or Iran rather they live all around Turkey and no lunatic has any right to put Turkey into same bag with those countries...
About if Kurdish people will have an independent country or not, even if i support a Kurdish country in Iraq (Also Syria if they could expel PKK terrorists from their ranks same as Kurdish regional government of northern Iraq did) because they suffered greatly in past decades but i still doubt there will be ever a Kurdish country. There are many reasons for this that some of them mentioned correctly in the video like Kurdish people don't have an unity at all and their political beliefs are severely changing according to their regions. But perhaps the biggest reason there aren't enough resources in their majority lands, for example Kurdish regional government has significant oil fields and earning like 90% of their income from oil but even then it barely covers the needs of 5 million Kurdish people in KRG alone then how come those oil fields can cover the needs of 30 million Kurdish people??? Perhaps they could do agriculture instead right but sadly without dozens of dams Turkey constructed in eastern Turkey it isn't possible to do even agriculture and worst of all the region is becoming more of a desert every day thanks to climate change!! If you don't know anything just open google earth and check out the difference between southeastern Turkey and Syria that Turkish side is full of farms while literally few hundred metres away inside Syria it is desert. Sadly it is just a lost cause and only offering more suffering for Kurdish people which is exactly why vast majority of Turkish Kurds don't support an independent country while Syrian and Iraqi Kurds want an independent country indeed as they faced severe discriminations and even atrocities in the past. So this is just another example wicked politics that ''westerners saving lives'', ''westerners distributing justice and freedom'' therefore they greatly support a Kurdish state but no worries even if their ''saving Kurdish nation'' operation fails same as Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc they could just blame Kurdish refugee wave on Turkey and claim wicked Turkish politicians are deliberately sending them into Europe, right??..
Guess what ? Your lovely Iraq is pretty much is a shitthole which is burden of sectarian violence! Look at the last election what’s still going on. But I blame Kurdish regional government as well, shit politics
@@ggoddkkiller1342 dude, the PKK isn't a problem. Erdogan uses it to distract the masses from his own shortcomings. PKK was off the terror list untill 2015. After they were put back on it, under pressure of turkey and erdogan. You see the pattern? The PKK is used to silence Kurds who ask for justice.
@@yurichtube1162 "The pkk isn't a pronlem" tell that to the thousands of people they slaughtered.
@@yurichtube1162 YPG is literally Syrian wing of PKK lol
A semi-autonomous Kurdistan (not independence, but federalism) in Turkey, Iraq, Syria, and Iran, with a good measure of autonomy. The right to freedom of movement should be an essential characteristic guaranteed by all 4 countries. The Governments of the 4 Kurdistans can maintain foreign relations only with each other, and be subordinate to their Central Governments.
That's pretty similar to the Sami people who live in northern Norway, Sweden, Finland and north-west Russia. They can move freely across the borders, have their own courts, flag, council with some political power, news, TV programs etc. But no autonomy or anything like that. They are so small group dpread over such vast area that an independent Sami state just couldn't function on its own
@@jokuvaan5175 Ya but the Kurds have a quite a huge population of 4 crores or 40 million.
This wouldn't pass mate. Largely because the powers of the central governments in two of these states (Syria and Iraq) lack the ability to counter their more powerful neighbors' (Iran and Turkey) influence. Turkey's influence in Northern Iraq is stunning and Turkish influence in Iranian Kurdistan as of late is worrying, not to mention the fact that there are territories held by the Turkish and Iranian militaries in Syria and Iraq.
What I'm trying to get at is that offering the Kurds something similar to the Sammy's is equivalent to having Baghdad and Damascus become to consider the territorial integrity of their nations to be compromised.
@@jokuvaan5175 Sami people do not have their own courts.
Everyone who lives in the border-municipalities can move freely to Russia, not just Sami people, who are in a minority in most municipalities in the area. (Talking about Norway, where more than half of all Sami live.)
Anyone from Norway/Sweden/Finland can move freely between the countries, both because of Nordic laws but also because of the Schengen-area.
One big difference between Sami and Kurds are that there are very few Sami people, less than 150.000, while there are about 300 times more Kurds, 30-40 million. Sami are in a small minority almost everywhere, but Kurds are in the majority in large areas.
There were several major mistakes as expected from ''neutral media'' like forgetting to mention PKK is considered as a terrorist organization by 36 countries in the world including US, UK, EU, Australia, Japan etc simply because they targeted civilians literally hundreds of times from public squire, bus, station, stadium bombings to randomly planting mines in rural areas of southeastern Turkey!! Same goes for somehow acting like Kurdish people are treated similarly in all those countries while in reality Syria didn't even give them citizenship for over 50 years rather considered them as illegal population without even basic rights, Iraq committed great atrocities against them including even chemical attacks and they always had limited citizenship and discriminated against, Iran considers them as Iranians and they had much better conditions and rights in Iran than those countries but because Kurdish people are Sunnis Iran doesn't even allow them to operate a political party and join Iranian parliament!! On the other hand Turkey always considered them as full and equal citizens, in fact Turkey doesn't even collect data about who are Kurdish, Turkish or who believes in what religion. For example Turkish army which is ''wickedly targeting Kurds'' according to some is actually a 20% Kurdish force as every male citizen of Turkey has to do his mandatory military service. And there have been many Kurdish parties and politicians representing themselves in the parliament, Turkey even had a Kurdish president called Turgut Özal!! Sure, there were discriminations against Kurdish language such as operating radio channels or publishing books other than Turkish was forbidden so it wasn't exactly against Kurdish rather other minority languages as well like Laz, Zaza etc. Those laws have been changed several decades ago ofc so it is a total nonsense Kurdish people are still ''a persecuted minority'' in Turkey, in fact they are so ''persecuted'' 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not Eastern Turkey while the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj or Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! So Kurdish people don't live as ''a persecuted minority'' in remote locations like Syria, Iraq or Iran rather they live all around Turkey and no lunatic has any right to put Turkey into same bag with those countries...
About if Kurdish people will have an independent country or not, even if i support a Kurdish country in Iraq (Also Syria if they could expel PKK terrorists from their ranks same as Kurdish regional government of northern Iraq did) because they suffered greatly in past decades but i still doubt there will be ever a Kurdish country. There are many reasons for this that some of them mentioned correctly in the video like Kurdish people don't have an unity at all and their political beliefs are severely changing according to their regions. But perhaps the biggest reason there aren't enough resources in their majority lands, for example Kurdish regional government has significant oil fields and earning like 90% of their income from oil but even then it barely covers the needs of 5 million Kurdish people in KRG alone then how come those oil fields can cover the needs of 30 million Kurdish people??? Perhaps they could do agriculture instead right but sadly without dozens of dams Turkey constructed in eastern Turkey it isn't possible to do even agriculture and worst of all the region is becoming more of a desert every day thanks to climate change!! If you don't know anything just open google earth and check out the difference between southeastern Turkey and Syria that Turkish side is full of farms while literally few hundred metres away inside Syria it is desert. Sadly it is just a lost cause and only offering more suffering for Kurdish people which is exactly why vast majority of Turkish Kurds don't support an independent country while Syrian and Iraqi Kurds want an independent country indeed as they faced severe discriminations and even atrocities in the past. So this is just another example wicked politics that ''westerners saving lives'', ''westerners distributing justice and freedom'' therefore they greatly support a Kurdish state but no worries even if their ''saving Kurdish nation'' operation fails same as Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc they could just blame Kurdish refugee wave on Turkey and claim wicked Turkish politicians are deliberately sending them into Europe, right??..
This looks interesting
There were several major mistakes as expected from ''neutral media'' like forgetting to mention PKK is considered as a terrorist organization by 36 countries in the world including US, UK, EU, Australia, Japan etc simply because they targeted civilians literally hundreds of times from public squire, bus, station, stadium bombings to randomly planting mines in rural areas of southeastern Turkey!! Same goes for somehow acting like Kurdish people are treated similarly in all those countries while in reality Syria didn't even give them citizenship for over 50 years rather considered them as illegal population without even basic rights, Iraq committed great atrocities against them including even chemical attacks and they always had limited citizenship and discriminated against, Iran considers them as Iranians and they had much better conditions and rights in Iran than those countries but because Kurdish people are Sunnis Iran doesn't even allow them to operate a political party and join Iranian parliament!! On the other hand Turkey always considered them as full and equal citizens, in fact Turkey doesn't even collect data about who are Kurdish, Turkish or who believes in what religion. For example Turkish army which is ''wickedly targeting Kurds'' according to some is actually a 20% Kurdish force as every male citizen of Turkey has to do his mandatory military service. And there have been many Kurdish parties and politicians representing themselves in the parliament, Turkey even had a Kurdish president called Turgut Özal!! Sure, there were discriminations against Kurdish language such as operating radio channels or publishing books other than Turkish was forbidden so it wasn't exactly against Kurdish rather other minority languages as well like Laz, Zaza etc. Those laws have been changed several decades ago ofc so it is a total nonsense Kurdish people are still ''a persecuted minority'' in Turkey, in fact they are so ''persecuted'' 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not Eastern Turkey while the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj or Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! So Kurdish people don't live as ''a persecuted minority'' in remote locations like Syria, Iraq or Iran rather they live all around Turkey and no lunatic has any right to put Turkey into same bag with those countries...
About if Kurdish people will have an independent country or not, even if i support a Kurdish country in Iraq (Also Syria if they could expel PKK terrorists from their ranks same as Kurdish regional government of northern Iraq did) because they suffered greatly in past decades but i still doubt there will be ever a Kurdish country. There are many reasons for this that some of them mentioned correctly in the video like Kurdish people don't have an unity at all and their political beliefs are severely changing according to their regions. But perhaps the biggest reason there aren't enough resources in their majority lands, for example Kurdish regional government has significant oil fields and earning like 90% of their income from oil but even then it barely covers the needs of 5 million Kurdish people in KRG alone then how come those oil fields can cover the needs of 30 million Kurdish people??? Perhaps they could do agriculture instead right but sadly without dozens of dams Turkey constructed in eastern Turkey it isn't possible to do even agriculture and worst of all the region is becoming more of a desert every day thanks to climate change!! If you don't know anything just open google earth and check out the difference between southeastern Turkey and Syria that Turkish side is full of farms while literally few hundred metres away inside Syria it is desert. Sadly it is just a lost cause and only offering more suffering for Kurdish people which is exactly why vast majority of Turkish Kurds don't support an independent country while Syrian and Iraqi Kurds want an independent country indeed as they faced severe discriminations and even atrocities in the past. So this is just another example wicked politics that ''westerners saving lives'', ''westerners distributing justice and freedom'' therefore they greatly support a Kurdish state but no worries even if their ''saving Kurdish nation'' operation fails same as Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc they could just blame Kurdish refugee wave on Turkey and claim wicked Turkish politicians are deliberately sending them into Europe, right??..
@@ggoddkkiller1342 I agree, lots of miss information! Langue , history even religion ? Far form reality
@@ggoddkkiller1342 i feel like a lot of what you’re saying is turkey apologia. sure, syria and iraq may treat them worse (i’m not sure i haven’t checked) but that doesn’t disqualify turkey’s role in kurdish oppression, just as south africa’s apartheid didn’t disqualify the oppression of black people in the US. Turkish nationalism is some of the worst nationalism I’ve ever seen, and I live in the USA lol. Kurds, and even Turks, don’t owe their allegiance to Turkey. No one owes allegiance to any state
@@user-id9bn1ic9v In first two sentences you literally admit you don't know anything about the region and even conditions of Kurdish people then in rest of your message you act like you know a damn thing about Turkey, care to explain please?? You really think your ''Turkey = cry cry, Saudi Arabia = hush hush'' media tells the truth??? First of all Turkish nationalism isn't even an exact equivalent of for example German nationalism or white nationalism in general!! Turkish nationalism isn't about races, isn't about skin colour rather it is more like ultrastatism, for example it is pretty similar to American patriotism!! And here is an African Turk who is a member of NATIONALIST party:
th-cam.com/video/40wOd1learo/w-d-xo.html
So some Turkish nationalists dislike Kurds not because they are Kurds rather because there is a Kurdish separatist group. For example some minority in California wanted to become independent then you Americans would allow it without any resistance even if they commit terrorist attacks for that goal, huh?? Or both federal government and American patriots would strongly reject it??? Without any question latter would happen and it is exactly same for Turkey but ofc it is badly twisted by western media for obvious reasons. So there is no discrimination against Kurdish people in Turkey, in fact Turkish officials including police wouldn't even know those citizens are Kurdish and Turkish army which ''wickedly attacking Kurds'' is actually 20% Kurdish force as every male citizen of Turkey has to do their mandatory military service!! On the other hand US police know every citizen is white, african or latino and constantly discriminate against last two, even killing over 1000 people every year that vast majority of them African Americans. While 20 people are getting killed by police in Turkey and everytime when they didn't have A GUN it becomes a huge incident because Turkish police doesn't have a moronic ''dangerous situation shooting right'' rather has to confirm suspects have a gun and even if they have a knife or other melee range weapons instead they still can't shoot to kill!!! So in short Kurdish people are living far better conditions in Turkey than African people living in US, in fact wealth difference and education difference are way lower between Turkish and Kurdish people and there are literally 2.5 million marriages between two nations. But even if these are known facts you can't see your so called ''neutral'' media talking about them...
@@ggoddkkiller1342 too much talking and still a nationalist. don’t care
I wish I could sort the comments by 'controversial'
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Something about a bunch of countries old enough to have been able to hammer down their diversity back when it was "legal" to do so aguing about an ethnicity being too diverse to have their own common country doesn't sit well with me.
This video sucked and his sources were probably the other four nation ppl
You talk about Kurds being the only permanent minority in the region yet funnily enough seem to forget the Assyrians, quite disingenuous of you really.
To be fair there are a lot minorities in the middle east like like Assyrians, Yazidis, Christians, Chaldeans, Turcomans etc.
@@EatMyShortsAU aren't Yazidis a minority in the Kurds? A meta minority. They are ethnically similar but have kept the pre Islamic religion.
@@EatMyShortsAU Well in the region of North mesopotamia there are really only 2 minoritys kurds and Assyrians (the Yazidis are considered under the umbrella of kurd, (and you could possibly include Turkmen as another minority but they are extremely small in poulation)) but to exclude Assyrians from the conversation is disingenuous as they were living in the region before the kurds even came into existence and have also fought for statehood from both kurds and non kurds.
@@EatMyShortsAU Chaldeans are not a
seperate ethic group from Assyrians they are Assyrians they just follow a diffrent Christian Church. Saying Christians isn't really applicable because the Assyrians are the Christians of the region and to group people based on religious differences is a slippery slope because technically sunni Muslims are a minority In Iraq but they are still Arabs so what are they majority or minority. The yazidis are a sub group of the kurds so they are not technically a seperate ethnic minority its like the diffrence between a saxon and a bavarian they have however faced bouts of forced assimilation from the other kurds of the region so to exclude an extensive look at them I would also consider disingenuous. As for the Turcomans there population is very very small and are not really properly in northern mesopotamia.
@@RelativelyUnknwn Possibly but I think it also matters on how people identify themselves. I am a Turkish Australian and I have met and been friends with Lebanese, Kurds, Assyrians, Turks, Greeks, Maltese, Chaldeans, Armenians etc. To each their own, I respect their history, culture and background.
FREE KURDISTAN ☀️
Aha
Thanks for covering that. But a lot of things were missing. It wasn’t as in depth as your other ones
It was bias one
@@messigoat5565 That’s an issue with most news channels.
As a Kurd I see this video very accurate. Only adding that freedom is never given but taken.
@آشوربانيبال ملك آشور We have a land of history, culture, language, everything in us. You are an Assyrian soul. Free your land in the hands of Arabs
@آشوربانيبال ملك آشور You are not welcome here
@Jön Türkler 🇲🇳
As someone from the UK, unless they need to borrow our rulers to make new borders, we can sit this one out.
No need to get involved in something we probably caused.
They probably should borrow from someone else considering how it worked out in Africa.
Pretty sure they all hated each other down there way before the British came. Only EU will suffer from this mess again. UK can chill now
@@ukovh9716 every neighbor hated each other even in Europe but what british and French did was make middle east even more unstable it's like if someone cut and made a nation by Taking lands from french Germans Dutch and Italians and than ask these countries to except this new abomination while somehow maintaing this headache . Kinda a big mess
@@ukovh9716 Yes, but the guy who they had drafting the borders clearly was the cheapest they could find.
@@shivanshna7618 how many generations before we stop blaming whitey?
The title should be: "The nation that will never be a state".
A state is not a nation
None of the countries would give any land to kurts especially turkey and iran
Not willingly.
@@jamesphillips5073 Nor forcefully friend.
@@EgehanU saddam and assad said the same thing. Lol
@@bar1825 seriously these guys needs to learn that we wont bow down to their racist ideology while on the hand the same anti kurds are all for a liberated palestina.
@آشوربانيبال ملك آشور bruhh we were the ones that defeated ISIS they would've captured Baghdad but we weakned them from the North
One day Kurdistan will become an independent County.
Yan Kurdistan yan neman
Could you do one on an Autonomous or Independent Sapmi?
Are you Sami?
No. Becsuse they are a extrem smal minority, living in a place with a horrible geography for a country
@@hailgiratinathetruegod7564 good answer
Independent Sápmi is even more unrealistic than Kurdistan. I believe we should give the Saami more autonomy, but they're not exactly pushing for independence as far as I know, certainly not to the extent of the Kurds. What would their country even look like though? The Sápmi has no defined borders and have no majority in any of their traditional homelands.
They are much less than Kurds. I don't see any chance for it. Unless if it would be a microstate with a population less than 1 million.
Every countries have their independant movement from some minority, the best thing that can happen is each of the countries consider them a regions and they can have some cultural events and exchanges together, that could even help ease the relations between all these nations. No country will ever accept to lose part of his territory.
Finally someone who have logic in their heads, i swear the world is gonna be destroyed by snowflakes that will try to satisfy everyone.
kurds would not have demanded freedom if we were not opressed they didnt let us even speak our language
By that logic half of European countries should not exist and just be content being autonomous regions inside their former overlords' empires.
best cas scenario is a free kurdistan that free themselve from the opression of arabs and turkush people and islam.
@@nouta6440 By your logic we should double the number of countries in Europe, and North America, it's not up to the international community to decide such matter but to each of the individual countries, if they want independence either they declare it unilaterally (which would be a bloodbath for them) or they engage more politically in their own country until they have the result they desire (which will probably take hundreds of years but would be the best solution for everyone)
During the war I was just eating breakfast and then a gas bomb came in so we packed up our stuff only bringing food and flashlights, flares, clothing, tents, and sleeping bags all in just a few minutes and it was terrifying
I love this video. Thank you❤
HER Biji İrada Gelle Kürd Kürdistan ✌️✌️✌️🟩☀️🟥✌️✌️✌️
Why not? That’s like, native people getting told what to be called, as they get separated by arbitrary borders. Plus, the way Turkey handles the Kurds? Yeah, Kurdish people should have their own land. Why not?
Kurdistan should become a country and it should be governed by rojava's system
I was expecting more for a video like this. Research could have been better, and the present situation of each Kurdish community should have been talked in detail. Also, there are territories the in which the Kurds live recently, especially the ones previously inhabited by Armenians or Assyrians. About these communities, a video on the Nineveh Plains would be very interesting .
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Long live Kurdistan
Even if it magically become a country in one day, there's no way it will be prosper since it:
1. Has no friend in its border.
2. Has no sea, which means you'll depend on your land neighbor -- which makes point 1 a stopper point. You can't just have a landlocked country with no friend.
The most realistic way for Kurds to prosper is to slowly befriend the neighborhood population, while keep fighting for things that actually matter for Kurds population (some level of autonomy, preservation of languages and culture, greater economic ties and development, etc) and discarding the idea of independence. With some international backing and guarantee that Turkey/Iraq/Syria/Iran will still keep their territorial integrity, that should be a more realistic demand to fight for.
I think it sounds realistic enough. If we can better our situation and gain our autonomy, things will become much more peaceful. Country or not, that region will always be refered as Kurdistan by the Kurds. This fact will nor change.
Like Armenia. Lives on hand outs and Kim K's donations.
> befriend the neighborhood population
You're right, but the problem is that, to befriend them, they expect us to give up our identity and assimilate into them.
And the question is, why should we befriend them and then get independence. Why not get independence and then befriend? How come the former is possible but the latter isn't?
@@sandaromo Because there's no country in this world who wants to willingly let a large territory of theirs just for no reason, with exception of veeery rare cases. Especially when letting your provinces go also means enticing the territory for other countries to separate themselves as well. Realistically there's no reason for them to do so, as "they are of different race/tribe and thus needs a different country" alone never been a strong enough reason for separatism -- a lot of countries in this world are composed by multiple races and tribes, afterall.
Are you expecting Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran (countries that always bicker with each other historically -- even now) suddenly went all "Oh yes, let's together let our territories go just because"? Even one is already a daydreaming scenario, but four? Even if one of them suddenly grant the Kurds in their territory their own country the other three would be afraid of the domino effect and will prevent its inception from the very start, just like how a lot of countries with separatism issues prevent other independent movements to actually succeed (e.g Spain preventing independence movements due to their own Catalan problems). Heck, not even all Kurds movement wants to pursue independence movement because even they know how unrealistic the scenario of Kurds independent is. If even Iraqi Kurds several years ago failed to do so despite of Iraq government being at their lowest power, I'm afraid none of them can.
@@sandaromo I'd like to stress that unlike independence, preventing Kurds identity to be removed through internal and international lobby and even stuffs like some form of federalism is a much more plausible goal and would still achieve the goal of making overall Kurds life to be much better.
There are Kurdish parties still claim independent from Turkey. A lot of Kurdish people dont agree with PKK decision.
@آشوربانيبال ملك آشور Which nationality are you from? Asurî?
@آشوربانيبال ملك آشور what a smart Assyrian
@آشوربانيبال ملك آشور Do you suport Esad ?
Well, in eastern provinces kurdish mothers cry for their child in party buildings saying that pkk stole their child.Most of kurdish people i know state that they do not want a kurdistan because those soil is not efficent and good most kurds go to west because of better lifestyle in my opinion even if there was a kurdistan they wouldn’t go there at least %60 won’t.
@@Baysal_Alisan How many village Apartheid Turkish regyme destroy in houndres years? Ten thousand? Probably, A home which you live built from kurdish workers. Cheap labor for turkish cities last 4 decade. They coldnt live their land honorly and peacefully. because of turkis terror. We will see how much kurd support indipendence Kurdistan when conditions is ok. Every single day Kurdish nation far away from this apartheid regyme.
Kurdistan will be State, I promise you because we have a pishmarga
On the one hand, I don't like ethno-states at all. Generally, when you create a nation for one ethnicity, it's never going to be fair to any other ethnicity. That said, given the historical oppression and genocide that Kurdish people have faced, I totally understand why they'd want a state, and we all might be better of if they had one.
It's a product of the west's poor ability to draw borders in the early 1900s. They were their own until the English and French came in and mucked up the Middle East
There were several major mistakes as expected from ''neutral media'' like forgetting to mention PKK is considered as a terrorist organization by 36 countries in the world including US, UK, EU, Australia, Japan etc simply because they targeted civilians literally hundreds of times from public squire, bus, station, stadium bombings to randomly planting mines in rural areas of southeastern Turkey!! Same goes for somehow acting like Kurdish people are treated similarly in all those countries while in reality Syria didn't even give them citizenship for over 50 years rather considered them as illegal population without even basic rights, Iraq committed great atrocities against them including even chemical attacks and they always had limited citizenship and discriminated against, Iran considers them as Iranians and they had much better conditions and rights in Iran than those countries but because Kurdish people are Sunnis Iran doesn't even allow them to operate a political party and join Iranian parliament!! On the other hand Turkey always considered them as full and equal citizens, in fact Turkey doesn't even collect data about who are Kurdish, Turkish or who believes in what religion. For example Turkish army which is ''wickedly targeting Kurds'' according to some is actually a 20% Kurdish force as every male citizen of Turkey has to do his mandatory military service. And there have been many Kurdish parties and politicians representing themselves in the parliament, Turkey even had a Kurdish president called Turgut Özal!! Sure, there were discriminations against Kurdish language such as operating radio channels or publishing books other than Turkish was forbidden so it wasn't exactly against Kurdish rather other minority languages as well like Laz, Zaza etc. Those laws have been changed several decades ago ofc so it is a total nonsense Kurdish people are still ''a persecuted minority'' in Turkey, in fact they are so ''persecuted'' 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not Eastern Turkey while the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj or Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! So Kurdish people don't live as ''a persecuted minority'' in remote locations like Syria, Iraq or Iran rather they live all around Turkey and no lunatic has any right to put Turkey into same bag with those countries...
About if Kurdish people will have an independent country or not, even if i support a Kurdish country in Iraq (Also Syria if they could expel PKK terrorists from their ranks same as Kurdish regional government of northern Iraq did) because they suffered greatly in past decades but i still doubt there will be ever a Kurdish country. There are many reasons for this that some of them mentioned correctly in the video like Kurdish people don't have an unity at all and their political beliefs are severely changing according to their regions. But perhaps the biggest reason there aren't enough resources in their majority lands, for example Kurdish regional government has significant oil fields and earning like 90% of their income from oil but even then it barely covers the needs of 5 million Kurdish people in KRG alone then how come those oil fields can cover the needs of 30 million Kurdish people??? Perhaps they could do agriculture instead right but sadly without dozens of dams Turkey constructed in eastern Turkey it isn't possible to do even agriculture and worst of all the region is becoming more of a desert every day thanks to climate change!! If you don't know anything just open google earth and check out the difference between southeastern Turkey and Syria that Turkish side is full of farms while literally few hundred metres away inside Syria it is desert. Sadly it is just a lost cause and only offering more suffering for Kurdish people which is exactly why vast majority of Turkish Kurds don't support an independent country while Syrian and Iraqi Kurds want an independent country indeed as they faced severe discriminations and even atrocities in the past. So this is just another example wicked politics that ''westerners saving lives'', ''westerners distributing justice and freedom'' therefore they greatly support a Kurdish state but no worries even if their ''saving Kurdish nation'' operation fails same as Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc they could just blame Kurdish refugee wave on Turkey and claim wicked Turkish politicians are deliberately sending them into Europe, right??..
You do realize that the nation-state as an ideological project is a very new development, and represent a surprisingly, passingly small portion of the world, right? Most states *are* ethnostates.
The western liberal democracies just think that everyone should be modeled on belief structure, rather than long-standing ethnic and territorial claims to a certain region.
@@editorrbr2107 I don't think you know what an ethnostate is. If minority ethnicities have the same rights as the majority ethnicity, it's not an ethnostate. So most European countries are nationstates, but not ethnostates. China is an example of an ethnostate, and a lot of African countries are neither, because those borders have nothing to do with the ethnicites living there.
@@Jakromha China has many differrent ethnicities in it's borders. There is no one ethnic chinese people with multiple differring dialects and cultural practices across that nation. It is the primary reasson for how the differrent regions in China are delineated.
Funnily enough Japan can be considered an ethnostate.
I hoped this would be the announcement for TLDR News Kurdistan
Good video.
I like how the comment section is a microcosom of the actual middle east
Kurdistan is inevitable.
like how the batman said to the scarecrow before: Over our dead bodies.
Kurds should 100000% have their own country, our culture is way different than arabs, Turks and Persians. We don’t look the same, we speak different languages and we have different religion too. The truth why we don’t have our own country is because the Turks and arabs are racist. They don’t want us to have are own country. For no good reason either. They’re just simply racist.
oh boi the comment section is gonna be filled with Americans talking about American imperialism and that isn't it?
Yeah, American Leftists love bashing their own country and calling it the worst place on the planet even though 2/3-3/4 of the planet is much worse than the US. Bill Maher did a great segment on this called "The Lesson of Afghanistan".
All of this negative rhetoric without any solutions is a grift created by leftists to profit from. If the issues actually get solved or reduced, then they won’t be able to create any attention for themselves which means "no more fundraising".
@@luke_cohen1 And yet it's the right wingers in the US which are creating all those problems
yes i don't care if its is impossible i just want a real kurdistan
Hello Pakistani brother!
There were several major mistakes as expected from ''neutral media'' like forgetting to mention PKK is considered as a terrorist organization by 36 countries in the world including US, UK, EU, Australia, Japan etc simply because they targeted civilians literally hundreds of times from public squire, bus, station, stadium bombings to randomly planting mines in rural areas of southeastern Turkey!! Same goes for somehow acting like Kurdish people are treated similarly in all those countries while in reality Syria didn't even give them citizenship for over 50 years rather considered them as illegal population without even basic rights, Iraq committed great atrocities against them including even chemical attacks and they always had limited citizenship and discriminated against, Iran considers them as Iranians and they had much better conditions and rights in Iran than those countries but because Kurdish people are Sunnis Iran doesn't even allow them to operate a political party and join Iranian parliament!! On the other hand Turkey always considered them as full and equal citizens, in fact Turkey doesn't even collect data about who are Kurdish, Turkish or who believes in what religion. For example Turkish army which is ''wickedly targeting Kurds'' according to some is actually a 20% Kurdish force as every male citizen of Turkey has to do his mandatory military service. And there have been many Kurdish parties and politicians representing themselves in the parliament, Turkey even had a Kurdish president called Turgut Özal!! Sure, there were discriminations against Kurdish language such as operating radio channels or publishing books other than Turkish was forbidden so it wasn't exactly against Kurdish rather other minority languages as well like Laz, Zaza etc. Those laws have been changed several decades ago ofc so it is a total nonsense Kurdish people are still ''a persecuted minority'' in Turkey, in fact they are so ''persecuted'' 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish minority live in WESTERN Turkey not Eastern Turkey while the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj or Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! So Kurdish people don't live as ''a persecuted minority'' in remote locations like Syria, Iraq or Iran rather they live all around Turkey and no lunatic has any right to put Turkey into same bag with those countries...
About if Kurdish people will have an independent country or not, even if i support a Kurdish country in Iraq (Also Syria if they could expel PKK terrorists from their ranks same as Kurdish regional government of northern Iraq did) because they suffered greatly in past decades but i still doubt there will be ever a Kurdish country. There are many reasons for this that some of them mentioned correctly in the video like Kurdish people don't have an unity at all and their political beliefs are severely changing according to their regions. But perhaps the biggest reason there aren't enough resources in their majority lands, for example Kurdish regional government has significant oil fields and earning like 90% of their income from oil but even then it barely covers the needs of 5 million Kurdish people in KRG alone then how come those oil fields can cover the needs of 30 million Kurdish people??? Perhaps they could do agriculture instead right but sadly without dozens of dams Turkey constructed in eastern Turkey it isn't possible to do even agriculture and worst of all the region is becoming more of a desert every day thanks to climate change!! If you don't know anything just open google earth and check out the difference between southeastern Turkey and Syria that Turkish side is full of farms while literally few hundred metres away inside Syria it is desert. Sadly it is just a lost cause and only offering more suffering for Kurdish people which is exactly why vast majority of Turkish Kurds don't support an independent country while Syrian and Iraqi Kurds want an independent country indeed as they faced severe discriminations and even atrocities in the past. So this is just another example wicked politics that ''westerners saving lives'', ''westerners distributing justice and freedom'' therefore they greatly support a Kurdish state but no worries even if their ''saving Kurdish nation'' operation fails same as Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc they could just blame Kurdish refugee wave on Turkey and claim wicked Turkish politicians are deliberately sending them into Europe, right??..
as a turkish I want free balunchistan
Thanks
@@xxxxxx-rg6qr every nation have there rights to be independent
This is a complicated one. I kindly propose an easier one : Of course, Belgium.. She should be divided between French speaking and Flemish ( I am not sure how it is spelled by the way).. Or should be annexed by Holland and France.. Happy ending !!
Dear TLDR News Global, I kindly expect a new video on Belgian question of having millions of stateless native people..
Belgian question is poisoning European heritage, which needs to be solved with the upmost urgency..
Of course I am only joking jsut trying to show a different aspect. I have nothing against Belgians and/or middle-eastern people.. Peace 😅
The title is wrong.. the correct is “The state which will become State soon”
Germany has managed to unite its 8 different autonomous regions in one state of Germany. Kurds will also succeed. Germany also consisted of several political religious areas years ago. 3:53 this is not a problem. The Kurds shall succeed and have their own independent KURDISTAN democratic humanity state
Sir i think you need to visit the area to get an idea to how geography effects the region
Also to make you realize its dumb to compare it to unification of German Empire after the Franco-Prussian war
@@EagleSix52 my advice is to read history of Germany from the last 300 years. You will see the KURDISH nation will also achieve this!! The Kurdish culture and language has a powerful history. More than 5000 year.
german states were independent
@@User14949 5000 years of sumerian, assyrian, babylonian and persian history is now randomly kurdish?
@@Engifarting456 Bruh dont even try to argue this with them. they will literally let their butts to be f*cked just to see a Kurdistan
They say democracy give everyone a voice but in reality democracy with rotten politics policies divide the one's ethnicity with a temporary borderline which is now become one of the most complicated obstacles to break, same thing is going on with Naga which is divided by the British into chaos in North East of India and North West of Myanmar. Hope everyone got back their own freedom.
Recently I really grow appreciation to One Party System practiced by several nation and the communist. Sure it rid democracy, but the nation goal are always clear and nationalism placed above anything else. Democracy itself is a joke anyway, where it just advantageous for a certain group of people.
Yes great Kurdistan has right to exist and become a country , Kurdish are indigenous Mesopotamian nation have been living there since Stone Age. From the eyes of history Turks came to Anatolia yesterday from Central Asia and Mongolia, why they have right to have a country and Kurds don’t ? It’s all mistakes of colonialism era, French and British hold the pencil and drew a map under Turkish pressure at the time . History was wrong, now is time to correct that mistake. The Greek historian Herodotus says from Mediterranean to Hamadan Iran, Aleppo to kerkuk were Kurdish inhabited area , old Armenian history calling Ararat and east Anatolian as a Kurdinia , history says Kurdistan existing , now after centuries of Turkism , arabisation and farsizm . Kurdish are still there and will stay there for ever
I support the creation of a greater Kurdistan.
Great now give some of your country to them
I hope that we have an independent country that lived in Kurdistan ❤️ 💚 💛 ✌️
maybe if the kurds dont claim land that they arent majority in like some claim hatay despite it being arabic and turkish mixed or some places on the syro turkish border that are arab they dont leave out it
some claim that central turkey has way more kurds then it does( not saying it doestn btw just saying some exagerate the extent)
overal is it achivable? perhaphs in places but overal itd be too much of a hasstle to pull off
Yeah you're right. Some Kurdish nationalists are very disengious about Kurdish land, for example some places especially in Iran claiming 30% Kurdish population as Kurdish. The best thing for a possible future Kurdish independent state first of all is accepting that 1: All Kurdish majority territory is landlocked, 2: creating federalised Kurdish regions in each country where they are as one unit the majority and 3: standardising the Kurdish language as the same in all countries.
This is of course unfeasible at the moment, so its something to strive for those who seek Kurdish independence
The reason why Eastern Anatolia have no seperatism because of their bs propaganda maps. Demographics are way different than internet propaganda.
And Kurds are generally happy and see themselves part of Turkey and
support one race
@@kebabseverim3364 and even if there was a kurdistan kurds wouldn’t live there since it is not good soil they will choose to stay in turkey
Turkey and all other nations in the region says *"no"*
same thing about israel happend and not all nations say no
@@kazem8749 yeaa but for Israel the US and Britain said "yes" and all other countrys were like "oh ok"
@@titanx8199 true israel had some powerful allies
And they are powerful. How about this? No Kurdistan, no Palestine? Once Kurdistan gains full independence with all ethnic lands, the discussion about Palestine will begin. We should handle the Kurds first because they are more oppressed.
@@dblum It depends which country we talking about beacuse in iraq and syria we already got freedome now
Free Kurdistan, Free Tibet! don't support tyrants people of the world, love they neighbor!! want the same rights for others as you wish for yourselves!
Yeah do what you want but dont touch other nations territory and stop claiming that you speak for all kurds
Kurdistan as a country, will never exist. If you dream Kurdistan, reality will be Kabristan :)
@system bipolar That's probably what will happen. Other countries use Kurds against Turkey.
@@aoyisu1653 SEROK APO ✌
@system bipolar
"If". Only the future knows what does that "if" turns out. We can't keep 40 million oppressed just because of "if".
Do a vid about Eelam Tamil genocide and Tamil Eelam state
We, the Kurds, have a history and civilization, such as the Medes, the Mitanni and Kutim, and we are the owners of the land for thousands of years and they try to obliterate our identity and our honorable and ancient history.❤️☀️💚
What xD? The Medes weren’t Kurds. Kurds do have old history in the region though, when they came as nomadic invaders, but not that old.
@@Rockdog810 You made me laugh a lot. Everyone knows that the Medes are Kurds, and we are the owners of the ancient land. We are the owners of a civilization. You are the ones who came to occupy us, not the other way around. Do not try to falsify history. Our civilizations are the Medes, the Kutayn and the Metanin. Long live Kurdistan and death to the occupiers of our lands.
@@user-rv6us9ce8e Dude, Kurds are not Native to middle east. Real Natives of where you live now are Assyrians
@@Rockdog810 I can give you hundreds of sources that the meds are kurdish
@@baqi9147 No you can't.
We are already working on a Kurdish state. The last country that is holding out is turkey. But their economy is declining heavily everyday, only a matter of time it also descends into chaos and Kurds take their land.
puhahahahhaa
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Great Kurdistan❤
I think that I, as an Englishman, should learn from history and stay well away, lest any more damage be done.
Dude, it was Churchill who established these borders so yeah as an Englishman you should do one 😅
@@Wilder.A.S Churchill split up the Ottoman Empire before he was in office?
Gertrude Bell and Lawrence of Arabia are the reason for Kurds suffering.
@@mattgummerson8370
I recommend watching the Movie "Queen of the Desert".
Well from my perspective to the middle east this will only create wars from the inside for example : arguing about the leadership or on the outside : the countries that they took the territories from
I'm not sure any part of the world has been in conflict for as long as the Middle East has. Seems to have started with the Sumerians...despite how long ago they existed and their fall, their descendants and neighbors still fight.
It’s not taking territory when you’ve lived in that territory for hundreds of years before the concept of countries or modern day borders was even a thing. All these problems were created by the British and France. They knew there were 4 major ethnicities in the Middle East and that all of them were extremely nationalistic. So what did the Brits and French do? They gave countries to 3 of those ethnicities and left the 4th stranded across 4 different borders. Thank you Britain and France