Bad Film Theories
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Dang just got an ad on my own video lol. Sorry about that! I didn’t put them there, universal copyright claimed the video.
I didn’t receive an ad just now so perhaps it’s random.
Big Oof
Uh oh, at least we got to see that sweet Lorax parking lot
Turtle approved
The real villain of the movie is apparently Universal.
When he says "I don't know about his personality, he seems like a cool little twink man, but he does a lot of things that are wrong, I think." I legitimately couldn't tell if he was talking about the Onceler or MatPat
MatPat IS the Onceler.
@@Thor-Orion oh my god
I just read this as he said it, incredible
The same thing happy to me, lol.
@@Thor-Orion it's all connected
The original Dr. Seuss book literally says "protect [the tree/forest] from axes that hack." That's pretty clearly advocating environmental activism, not just buying more sustainable products.
No replies till i reply
Is it? I thought it was telling me to buy Mazdas and disposable diapers with pictures of leaves on the box.
@@fly1714 Proof you're living in a simulation
MatPat does say that the movie has a point of its own and it’s about consumerism
Dr. Seuss was also a racist wife abuser, but we're discussing the 2012 movie, not the intentions of its original author
i choose to believe that the background is a real window and that joel just exists in an unmoving, unfeeling, serene plain and is projecting his videos to us
And the creepy shadow that's always behind him is just the darkness from our world seeping into his
Biig Jo'ol, Eldritch God of Sweaters
I am not at all convinced a "Joel" truly exists
Don't forget the crushing silence
But thats just a theory,
A Big Joel theory.
I love how Mat essentially says “you know they didn’t have to buy air” without realizing what he just said
They didn’t have to buy air. If they really did, they’d die when they leave their house.
@@cajunking5987 It's a cartoon set in an extremely fictional environment, you gotta suspend your disbelief a little
@@rowan9146 um no the whole point is O’Hare is running a scam lol
@@cajunking5987 isn’t the point that they were convinced they needed it by ohare essentially if you don’t buy into the restrictive and oppressive system of which there exists no alternative, you go into the “wasteland” and die
@@cajunking5987 okay… and if the film wasn’t a metaphor and was based on science, the boy who turned green from polluted dirty water (from ambiguous chemicals) would be dead from radiation poisoning or in fatal critical condition on an oxy IV because morphine makes the nausea from the radiation poisoning worse…
“Media interpretation for kids but not done well” is the greatest way I think I ever heard modern mat pat videos described
Yeah, for kids obviously. (me, in my 40s)
Man, I miss when he used physics and formulas in his videos...
@@parkercc He doesn't do that anymore? I haven't watched in years. Back in the day, I used to think, "Well yeah, that game theory is dumb and I don't buy it, but it really was just a framing device to talk about physics."
honestly the only way to find the charm of OG game theory is in "the science of" series
But it's not media interpretation.
The point of “Us” isn’t that nobody could _tell_ the difference, the point is that there *is* no difference except for the circumstances of their upbringing.
EXACTLY incredibly well said
The gaming community is extremely pro capitalism. It’s not surprising that his rhetoric is the same as r/stocks
so you're saying Us is pokémon the first movie
Yeah thats what I thought about the movies message.
@@BrokenRobot3K: Maybe the fact that you don’t get it is part of the point it’s trying to make. (like The Watchmen or BvS)
Matpat insinuating that the consumer is responsible for a corporate monopoly over an essential resource is one of the most surreal things I have ever seen on this site.
Oh, you think it's WRONG for him to sell air? Just don't buy it then! Checkmate, atheists. My dad is the economy, and his cock is huge!
@@Tanuki-cl7qi My dad works at Capitalism and he can get your dad fired from his job >:)
@@MsSeeingdouble NOOOOOOO
i now understand that i should not want anything, i should live in a cabin and live off of my rich family's money while complaining that everyone else is being a naughty bad bad consumer
@@k.morningstar7983 Oh you like things and enjoy being clothed and sheltered? Lol okay consoomer.
By mattpat's logic, hired assassins aren't bad people. they're just responding to consumer demand for murder!
I’m sorry! I just can’t fault a hardworking guy with a dream of murdering people for cash as the bad guy!
Hey, if I don't, someone else will
joel calling the onceler a “cool little twink man” is the funniest thing i’ve ever witnessed
he's not wrong tho
@@oncreativemode5486 i'm never describing him any other way again
Lmao I thought he was calling Matt that lmao
OMG I thought he was describing MattPatt like thatt lmaooo 🤣
As much as I love Joel's videos, hearing straight people use the term "twink" always gives me bad vibes...
I've always been frustrated with "main character of film is bad actually" takes. Because the reasons they give, like showing bad actions that the character took, pretend that the film itself isn't also saying their actions are bad. Like yes the actions are bad, but it doesn't make them a bad person. Also that's why they're in a movie that's teaching them a lesson.
It's interesting, because I feel like Ratatouille supports such an interpretation without really signaling it. Specifically, here, I'm pointing to Linguine. Dude uses the labor of this rat, as well as his expertise, and in return gives him nearly nothing. Certainly not an equitable stake in the money being earned (which, like, Remy's doing more than half the work here, but a 50/50 split would be reasonable). Remy's theft is thus a reasonable response to this behavior. This is not, I would say, a framing that is adopted by the film itself. At the end of the day, I don't think the issue is that, "This character is the bad guy actually," takes are inherently bad. It's that some media analysts, Matpat in particular here, are lazy as hell.
@@eggynack I definitely see your point. I guess what I am upset at, is when people claim the main character is bad, even when they're doing things that the film itself frames as bad. It's definitely more interesting to say that thing that the film frames is a good thing is actually a bad thing, but obviously films can play with this concept and frame bad as good or vice verso for juxtaposition and stuff. Yadayada nuace yada greys
@@eggynack however speaking specifically to ratatouille I think the film does In a way address linguines selfishness in understanding that the rat is getting nothing that's why remy lashes out and steals is because of linguines wrong action. Not that it overly pointed out but that's why you understand where I'm coming from.
Like I have that problem with Troy being evil and sharpay is good video as it misses the whole message of the movies in my opinion which is that the one thing sharpay was trying to do in the first 2 films in sticking to the status quo and trying to force people to keep the same social hierarchy is bad. Saying Sharpay did some nice things and works hard is true as Sharpay is not a one note character. But the films still paint her point of view and constant sabotage of everyone around her to help herself as bad.
It’s CinemaSins brain at work.
"This point isn't just silly, it feels like it's attacking the very concept of paying attention to shows"
This is an amazing quote
Indeed it is Helix, indeed it is...
Funny seeing you here, thank you for giving me many, many laughs over the years
Oh shit. Your skate 3 vids are S tier stoned watching.
Oh mah god dude it’s the skate 3 legend himself
I’m kk p
I did not think that I would ever see someone miss the point of THE LORAX 😭😭
Except that's what illumination did.
@jasonjungreis203 if Illumination wanted us to understand O'Hare being a big bawd buziness man they would have had the citizens of Thneedville gasping for air outside their homes, or at least struggling outside Thneedville
I think it's more that Mat Pat thinks he's somehow the only one that really understood the message and that even the people making the movie didn't know the message they meant to convey.
@@jasonjungreis203 That was the greatest comeback of the decade and it will take a long time before I find a comeback this perfect in a long time.
@@thechugg4372 Cool
"It's the consumer's fault" has been the excuse of big corporations for decades, and a convenient way to avoid their responsibilities. It's playing their game to spread this idea. Being a more conscious consumer is a good start but it will never be enough to tackle pollution and climate issues.
It's also blatantly dishonest because companies aren't honest about what they own. Even if you boycott Kelloggs, you'll still give their parent company money if you buy Pringles.
Tbh I dont think it goes to that deep, hes just taking it from different views, and making fun theories that his viewers requested, its like people making theories that harambe's still alive, its just views and theories, hence the popular quote "But hey, its just a theory, a FILM THEORY."
You know who was a conscious consumer?
Ted Kaczynzki
@@TuesdaysArt It is even more dishonest because companies are not even honest about what they sell, even with law that promote informing the consumer about waht they bought, it can still be really hard to be able to choose adequately within a realistic timeframe, choosing a chicken for the sunday lunch shouldn't need a 20 minute long research on the internet about which brand doesn't destroy our planet. . And it also compeltely dismiss the real world fact that some people are simply too poor to even be able to choose, they can't afford better so they don't buy it.
@AlxH I can see the point in that but it still doesn't change the fact that shoving that short guy from the Onceler off a cliff alongside everyone who could immediately replace him, would either cause huge amounts of suffering or cause a similar company to crop up after a while. Well. Maybe there'd be more regulations on that one, which was gonna be my solution in the first place.
I always found it weird when people interpreted "Us" as a film where you were rooting for the bad guy the whole time... Adelaide being a tethered doesn't make her a bad person, and Red being from the surface doesn't automatically make her good. At the end of the day, Adelaide is still a woman fighting to protect her family. I also can't really blame a child for taking the opportunity to escape the underground tunnels at the expense of another.
I decided to rewatch the scene where the twist is revealed and I have to say she really seems like an evil person. At least she was extremely evil before she lost her memories of the underground complex. She chokes out and kidnaps the original kid, chains her to a bed, and then takes her clothes to take over her life. All with an evil gleeful smile. She is enjoying the fact she's hurting this girl.
I agree that she is protecting her family in the movie, but it is a consequence of her own incredibly evil decision as a child. The way you describe it it sounds more like she took the kid's place as a last ditch effort to escape, a desperate fearful act that you could at least sympathize with.
But it isn't like she apologies to the real daughter. Or just tricks her down to the facility. She attacks her while wearing this creepy smile and chains her to a bed. What if the OG daughter hadn't been able to get free? She'd starved to death, a slow and painful death.
So nah neither of them are good people.
You can‘t fault her for it, but if you interpret the movie as being about class politics or marginalization in our society in general, I think the movie sees her as sort of a cautionary tale of a person only concerned with her own individual ascent out of her bad position. Which is a reasonable reading to make imo, given the whole „we‘re middle class, but not as middle class as our white friends, and we struggle in keeping our kids connected to Black culture in a way that isn‘t completely dissonant“ bit from the start of the movie. Her doing what she did resulted in a lot of people dying, so a bunch of people can stand in a row holding hands across America, which is sad.
@@paperbackwriter1111 Yeah which is why I can't see the doppelgangers as not being the bad guys. They just murdered thousands of people and disrupted local emergency services, leading to the deaths of even more people. Did they go to stab babies in their cribs? Probably. I feel no sympathy for them, even if their existence and treatment is very sad. I loose all sympathy when you go on a murder spree just because you've been treated badly.
@@storytellingchampion6438 they‘ve been lied to just as everyone has, believing that their only path to liberty is to „untether“ themselves by killing their opposites, as there would supposedly only be room for one group of them to live a human life.
Were slave revolts that killed slavers wrong? Were the Haitians wrong when they killed the French who had enslaved and oppressed them and drove them off the island? I don‘t think so. The tethered believe that their surface counterparts are literally their chains. Them not knowing that this is incorrect is of course tragic, but I don‘t think they‘re the bad guys for acting upon this.
EDIT: Also to borrow a line from the video: it‘s odd to apply a human code of morality to people who have been denied being seen as human for their entire existence.
@@storytellingchampion6438 I can think of a few people off the top of my head I would gladly kick off a volcano because of how they treated me. Not saying I think the tethered were justified in what they did, just saying I understand the motive. Also I have no clue if I worded that correctly because I can't speak English properly
Rats stealing food to survive is wrong, but a guy who cuts down all the trees and steals clean air from everyone, why he is just an entrepreneur.
mat feels like such a grifter, someone who isnt a real human being with their own personal moral code and personal beliefs and viewpoints. he just tries to make a case for "the opposite" of a piece of art. it doesn't matter if his analysis is consistent, it constantly feels like he starts with the idea "okay, so good guy is ACTUALLY bad guy/bad guy is ACTUALLY good guy, what evidence can I find to form my own narrative?", instead of just, ya know, just analyzing a piece of art.
I'm certain he just found that coming up with "EVERYTHING YOU THOUGHT ABOUT ___ WAS WRONG" type of videos are the most senstional.
@@slightlyoffensivedadjokes the problem is his weekly upload schedule. Theories aren't something you can consistently churn out on a weekly basis with the same level of quality. Some of his theories are genuinely good... and there's sans is ness... the main problem with his channel is that the quality of his content can vary INSANELY.
@@priestofronaldalt also imo mattpat does theories on stupid ass shit sometimes. Like i get diversity in content but its like hes running out of ideas.
It's called making entertaining videos. Facts are not all that entertaining. Yeah the oncelor is the bad guy, woohoo, such a fun statement!
@@slightlyoffensivedadjokes what if, get this: matpat has his beliefs but doesn't need to always inject them into his content? You know you're allowed to just make an entertaining video without it being something you actually think, right? If you actually think matpat considers Mario to be a sociopath and the oncelor to be good then you're crazy.
I always liked Matpats more legistical videos, like where he tries to give a rough estimate of how many people Light Yagami killed In Death Note, or how profitable Pleasure Island would be from Pinocchio.
Yeah his logistic/scientific videos are infinitely better than his lore videos
Bro i know you ain't trynna say logistical lmao
his evaluation of how much minecraft's diamond armor is worth was one of my favs as a child
yeah! i feel like he/his team are definitely less passionated about the more lore-heavy/interpretation focused videos and that translates to downright objectively wrong points like in the us video
@@alexsere3061 Exactly, as a child. He makes children's content. Any mature adult would immediately see through his paper thin logic and wild baseless assumptions.
I cant fucking believe that MatPat's take from the lorax is that you should stop buying something that you literally cant live without
Don't buy bottled air, buy trees?
@@bluishwolf it’s a little difficult to buy trees when the only tree in their area was planted near the END of the movie.
@@snomboclaartThe only Truffula tree left. You think that's the only type of tree in the entire world?
@@bluishwolf In that movies universe... probably yes
@@Companion92 If it's the only type of tree left... why don't they just call them "trees" instead of having a species name?
I love how lil capitalist has a monopoly over oxygen itself and Matt pat basically tries to say “well it’s the consumers fault for wanting to breathe”
I think the point is that he doesn't have a monopoly on air.
That we are deluded into thinking that he could have a monopoly on air... which is exacerbated by insistant marketing and brainwashing. You can't own air. Just like you shouldn't own water or land or people shouldn't be homeless.
I think its just an interesting way to look at late game capitalism. That it is trying to capitalize on things you can't by brainwashing people into buying things you can't buy. I mean the Villain is an asshole but he's only one part of the problem. Which is why the movie sucks. Its simplistic villian.
No, he doesn't try to say that - basically or in any other way.
Yeah those fucking consumer are bad for wanting to live 😡🤬
@@nikitahichoii482 No, they are morons, because they are buying something they don't have to. There is free breathable air available to anyone.
For a guy who pieces together entire lore and universes from incredibly minute details and Easter eggs, he tends to get a lot of main plot points wrong
This sounds almost identical to the trajectory of Doug Walker
@@garaj1 I've never seen Doug Walker piece together anything even remotely coherent.
That’s probably exactly why he gets obvious shit incorrect, and like someone already pointed out, is exactly like Doug Walker.
Yeah its almost like he has painted himself into a corner by running three youtube channels and now has to twist the facts of what he is talking about to pump out new videos all the time.
@@topleybird2443 don’t compare him to Doug. Doug was never respected or comparably successful as Matpat
Remy stealing isn't framed as immoral, it's framed as ugly and low class. There's a reason why it's equated from the beginning with eating garbage, in a story about fine dining. Remy's arc isn't a moral one, it's an aesthetic one- he comes from a dirty family and aspires to the refinement of high society.
In the beginning, that leads him to disown both his family and their way of life and try to live according to higher aesthetic principles. Then he sees the hypocrisy and ugliness of high society and goes back to his family, giving up those principles in disgust, a choice which, though it involves renouncing his own artistic satisfaction in the immediate term, allows him to later return to the world of high society as a fully developed and grounded artist, capable of swaying at least one archon of sophistication to no longer view him, his family and their ways with disgust or contempt.
They literally make him a rat, a word synonymous with a low class person
Wow well said!
Damn
I just want to let you know that I read your comment with Redeemed Anton Ego's voice.
This is an insanely good read.
I’ve always been bothered by how extreme Ratatouille is about its anti-stealing moral as like, the worst thing a person can do. It is really dogmatic about the underclass following every rule of the people who hate them, no matter how absurd or unfair. And this is a movie that has very light-hearted jokes of kidnapping and murder attempts, but a poor person stealing is framed as them becoming the vermin that society sees you as, be damned if you’re starving.
Yeah!! And what also gets me is that, what is the alternative then? Rats paying for food with their hard earned tiny rat dollars??? Ngl i never thought much about it before today but the movie anti-stealing stance is kinda weird lol
the way i like to think about it is that remy is constantly dealing with these two different sides of his identity - his internal desire to be respected as a chef like gusteau, a human, and his love for his entire rat family. remy doesn't NEED to steal from 5 star restaurants, he could just eat garbage like the rest of his family but he thinks they deserve to be treated like the humans, at the end of the day hes super naive and the movie constantly reminds us of that, sometimes in the form of a joke, and others when his dad shows him a window full of rat corpses. he holds himself up to an impossibly high standard, and even when he sticks to those expectations of himself, linguini still kicks him out and accuses him of being egotistical (which, they both are in a way). i think by the end remy gets the best of both worlds, he finds a way to not only feed his family, but to give them gourmet food, the stuff he thinks they deserve and on his own terms. Is it short sighted about stealing? kinda, but i disagree with the premise that its one of the major takeaways in a movie about passion and art and self discovery
And the contradiction this produces is that the movie can serve as an allegory for class mobility within a capitalist system and how it might look. (Watch The Squad’s video on Ratatouille for more.)
Like, it clearly empathizes with the plight of Remy and, by extension, Linguini to be a meaningful part of the society they live in, yet it also demonizes the need for survival at any cost like you said. It doesn’t make sense.
@@RobotLover696 The whole point is not that they shouldn't steal, but that they could at least aim to something more, but they think they inherently can't. You can't really show the message without showing that stealing is also bad lmao
@@AvatarBowler it makes,,, sense its just not as fleshed out as it could be. don't get me wrong, i wish for more media that didn't demonize stealing and also i think ratatouille uses a very basic moral quandary to illustrate a more broad point about passion, the pursuit of art, and what it means to respect and cherish your family
I respect the way MatPat’s ability to keep up with the way TH-cam ticks, but it does lead to some really strange takes. sometimes it feels like he picks the end first almost as a challenge for himself to see if he can prove that wild idea
Reminds me of the Dave Chapelle bit where he says he makes punchlines before making the joke and has to write his way up to it. this would satisfactorily explain the Sans is Ness interpretation tbh
Matpat is probably the biggest expert on gaming the algorithm in the entire TH-cam scene
@@themandownstairs4765 exactly. I wouldn’t tell
him not to do it that was necessarily, but it does lead to a lot more misses than hits.
@@themandownstairs4765 yea but the sans is ness vid is a part of youtube history, its a bad theory but its still gold
Now that does make sense. Like playing a game of Don't Get Me Started.
Joel holds their mic like they're holding a goblet filled with liquid truth
He looks like a ring announcer to me.
I mean, not wrong on both counts.
It's my favorite.
Hell yeah
legit question: so does joel go by neutral pronouns (they) or neutral and masc (they/he)?
Its so weird seeing Matpat blame the consumer for buying air to live instead of the corporations. Kind of reminds me of the whole thing with insulin that's going on in the real world
They shouldn’t be so dumb to know buying air doesn’t work like that
@@cajunking5987 I feel like a big part of the movie was that the Edna mode looking guy was spreading propaganda to make sure people wouldn’t know that
@@cajunking5987 yeah, maybe in the real world. The movie is literally about an orange fuckin abomination haunting an old man about destroying the world
@@cajunking5987Obviously they were fed lies by O'Hare.
@@cajunking5987dude you’re all over this comment section simping for O’Hare, you alright?
O’Hare is the most cartoonish villain imaginable, literally selling people air to breath, yet people like matpat still defend him like 💀💀💀💀💀💀
It’s a cartoon villian from a kid’s movie and you’re still harassing someone for defending them?
@@fruityren your perception of harassment is a bit twisted I might say
I mean, guess it's just a view stunt. You see a video like "O'Hare is actually the good guy?!?!?!?!?!? [gone sexual]* video in your feed and then can't help but click to check this nonsense out and all
and the worst thing is his theory was absolutely convincing
@@ren.67 you do realize he gets death threats from this stuff right?
@@fruityren just because you (not you personally) get death threats doesn't mean that i can't criticize and joke around with you. The world ain't got time to stop just for some depressed guy.
matpat: the point of (Us) was that she was replaced and no one could tell the difference
me: yeah, i agree with that, because the tethered are human like us and deserve empathy. i dont see what joel meant by bad-
matpat: because our society is so shallow we wouldn't even notice if a nice normal person got replaced with soulless evil
me: he had us in the first half not gonna lie
Exactly my thought process
I've never even watched the movie but what little I had heard about it, I assumed a point of sympathy towards the tethered, never once thinking some might think of them as the "bad guys"
Especially since the tethered are a metaphor for baseless opression it really comes across like his big US take is "our society is so dumb we don't even know who to subjugate anymore" which... :/
@@nutwit1630 Also the tethered have many nonverbal autistic traits. When the mom is crying and saying she just wants her little girl back, I felt uncomfortable because her behavior isn’t “wrong” it’s just “different”. Yes in actuality the girl is the tethered girl, but the mom doesn’t know that.
Honestly I really hope Matpat is just joking with this stuff because I already kind of felt like he might be a sociopath after his creepy-ass Mario video, and stuff like his lack of empathy for the tethered is kind of freaking me out
I preferred it when Mat just did funny math to say "lmao Wario is actually 10 feet tall"
Now he's like "mmmm vote with dollar mmmm"
That's mainly why now i just watch THE SCIENCE!!
Yeah same I learnt a lot of maths and science from him and got fun facts to tell my friends but now I just don't enjoy his content anymore and moved on to ShoddyCast
Also, I think we shouldn't skip over the fact that he made a whole episode about how Thanos was right...
That one...That one deffinitely deserves a yikes!
@@vgarzareyna what's funny is that those videos are from another channel that later merged with his.
He's also like, "mmm, Scott Cawthon gave Tulsi Gabbard and Ben Carson money too, so he can't be a conservative or a racist. Don't be so upset, LGBTQ+ community!"
From what I remember, it isn't depicted in the movie what happens to those who can't afford bottled air. The thought is horrifying. That makes O'Hare a villain.
We don’t see poor people because they all suffocated
Indeed, the question is what qualifies someone to live in the town itself? Do they pay a tax? A fee? Sign over something to O'hare? Does he sell bottled air outside the town?
Because it's a kids movie.
There are people living outside of the town (such as the Oncelor)
So it’s not like they die immediately
Protagonist has a flaw: HE’S THE VILLAIN ACTUALLY
Villain has a redeeming quality: HE’S NOT THE VILLAIN
ALSO CAPITALISM IS GOOD
really cutting analysis by Mat here
It certainly does seem to be a point that he tries to make a lot, huh?
@@yaninity Liberals are weird
@@yaninity he’s not making a point he’s having fun-
@@fruityren It is dangerously disingenuous to pretend that you cannot do both at once, including by accident. All attempts to communicate have implications about the communicator's views. There is no topic so narrow that this does not apply on some level.
"The onceler isn't bad because he made a product that everyone wanted" the entire point of the thneed is that it is literally a useless nothing item, it's existence is meant to represent consumerism and the products you are convinced that you must have, but don't actually need. Everyone wanted it, but only because they were artificially convinced.
Yes, exactly!!
Isn't art is also a useless nothing item??? Like seriously I don't find any reason why majority of people like music, painting, or even books except for just to having fun just like the thneed that everyone wore just to having fun, art is consumerism at it's finest
@@progunjack5556 the thneed isn't art, though, and the onceler didnt make it as art, he literally made it as a product to be sold, to make him rich, and nothing more. that is what makes it useless and nothing. His first attempts to sell it don't even work, so it's not like it had some inherent quality that made people like it.
@@progunjack5556 Well art can be educational as well. So it has a similar value to school or parents.
@@progunjack5556 It has been proven that Art can have a positive effect on the brain. a literal nothing-item does not.
"It's the consumers' faults." What are the residents of Thneedville supposed to do...NOT BUY AIR?!
Well at this point we don't even really know, if air is really THAT bad until people have to buy it cans and water bottles, there are literally no trees for decades, pretty sure if the air was that bad they needed to wear oxygen tanks everywhere, they just think they need it
@@8darchibaldmawuntu198 O'Hare still create forms to convince and coerce people to maintain things as they are. It's not real necessito, it's made up.
@@clintwood731 Well again, theories, different perspectives from different views, its just made up stuff
@@8darchibaldmawuntu198 No, it's show on the film, he made up things to his own profit.
@It is I Dio! Exactly, im just saying that his theories are very unique, like him saying that the air isnt actually needed and ohare is just lying
This makes sense to me. He's a debate kid who gets stuck having to argue for the obviously wrong side of the debate and he's gonna try his absolute hardest to make the case anyway
Matt has always been the ultimate devil's advocate, he isn't really "stuck" with the role : it's just his personality and something he enjoys doing, and maaany people can't understand that, which is why he gets so much hate
@@finixmoon127 I agree. Ive never understood why he gets hated on so much his theories are just supposed to be interesting "what ifs"
@@drew-vt8ws The fact that he had to explain that Sans is Ness wasn't to be taken seriously will always be insane to me
@finixmoon127 who intimidated him into retracting those findings? Patrick et al is widely respected in the community for his discovery of Ness-Sans convergence.
Pure evil
One thing that bothers me about the Lorax theory is how quickly mattpat is to point at the consumer. It's just like IRL ; where to resolve climate change people need to stop using straws... And like sure, we should stop using plastic straws. But also, it's not because we stop that the climate crisis will be averted. Big companies LOVE to point fingers at US for being bad and consuming badly but they don't like when we're the one calling out their gigantic corporations and shitty actions, and they sure as hell don't wanna change.
Mattpat is just doing the same as politicians and giga corporations. It's not their fault, it's ours. And that's not a really good message to send. We shouldn't have to protest and boycott to literally survive for the next 30 years because people decided that money is better and more valuable than any life on earth.
29% of the issue is caused by The People, while 71% is caused by corporations. So even if all of us decided to boycott and live perfectly clean lives it wouldnt even make a massive difference.
The lorax is interesting because if the Oncler had listened to the lorax, he would’ve made more money. In wiping out the Truffula tree, he killed too his business, but a more sustainable practice would’ve ensured long term success.
Yeah I noticed that all his bad takes have a very pro-capitalist, rugged individual, systemic problems don't exist vibe to them. I hereby diagnose mattpat with rich American syndrome. I'm sorry to say that it's terminal.
@@guy-sl3kr Classism is so widespread and yet I feel like it's the one thing no one acknowledges
And you can even see how the straw thing is being solved, COMPANIES switching over to biodegradables due to laws and social pressure, not consumers just quitting straws altogether. It is companies that need to change their practises, not consumers searching for niche, unknown companies with prices that might outweigh the utility of the product.
Matt's worst mistake was talking about the Lorax, he has awakened the beast.
He awoke th3 beast in me in 4th grade when he called mario evil
Well, it's a principal in business, that everybody knows is sound. It says that people with the money, make this ever lovin' world go 'round.
_The Onceler..._
@@ghoulishtoad I mean Mario is a war criminal.
@@kevinwillems8720 Did he bomb the Serbia and started War of Independence?
I feel MatPats gets facts wrong about games and movies just to have a theory that is contrarian and for views. I remember vividly his For Honor video where he stated that Scandinavia during the viking age was a frozen wasteland where nothing could grow when it's objectively false.
That doesn't explain why a lot of his "theories" end up being capitalist apologia
@@Reggie1408 Most people haven't been exposed to decent communist ideas, and the idea of capitalist criticism scares them, fills them with an actual anxiety.
@@Reggie1408 his video about video game addiction was fairly anti capitalist imo. Tho I haven't watched it in ages
This is EXACTLY why I unsubbed a couple years ago, it almost seems like he doesn't even play the games he talks about with how many things he gets blatantly wrong
Lmao the people who stayed behind were PRIMARILY farmers
I think matpat's theories are like when your English literature teachers ask you to write an essay on your thesis so you make something up and try to sell it as hard as you could, doesn't matter how wrong it is
25:16 my biggest argument against Matpat’s argument about Morty not being consistent is that he’s 14.
I would hardly say that 14 year olds are known for being consistent with their behavior and beliefs, y’know since they’re still in their formative years where they’re learning about the world and who they are
Not to mention, Morty has probably experienced a lot of traumatizing things and that has to have some sort of effect on his development.
Shit I'm 24 and I feel like I change beliefs every other week... Its just a part of being human I general
How many years has Morty been 14? Like 10 years now?
@@HOTD108_ Eight, but you aren't too far off.
Mortys character definitely changes by seasons bases.
If Remy's stealing in Ratatouille is a sign of being the bad guy, then I guess we gotta conclude the story of Les MIserables is about a noble police inspector chasing down an evil thief criminal.
How about the fact Remy's is a diseased riden rodents?
@@psycholaw4394 in real life yeah. But in a Pixar world ? Nah.
@@psycholaw4394 CLEARLY you've never befriended the rat king
@@psycholaw4394 we are one we are all. We are living in your walls.
Just because that thief found personal and spiritual redemption doesn't stop him from being an evil bread thief #JavertDidNothingWrong
"It's easy to blame the guy who cut down all the trees in the world and the guy who sells us literal air."
The reason MattPat always uses animations of himself is because he can’t reliably show his real face with that boot so far down his throat.
@@akorn9943 or because he can’t say it with a straight face.
Come on, he probably just doesn't like showing his face on camera, or can't be bothered to film himself for long periods.
@@100billionsubscriberswithn4 No you don't get it. The Sans is Ness guy is actually a bourgeois capitalist pig because he made a dumb cliche theory in one of his weekly episodes. Him using the "The bad guy is actually good" cliche on a movie with a political undertone actually 100% exposes his political views, and the video must be criticized because it is the reason we are in this corporate hellscape.
I also want to add the Harry Potter one, in which the whole theory was about how "Neville could have been the chosen one!" and going in-depth on all of the evidence for something like 15 minutes, then finally mentioning at the very end that they literally mentioned that in *both the books and the movies.*
Yeah its the "theory" that turned me off. Its not even something that is kind of hidden in the book, its explicitly talked about, all the evidence is clearly laid out and as far as I remember Harry more than once thinks and wonders about the what if scenario.
I like MatPat theories when science is involved, like using the pixel scale character to measure weight to do wild calculations. Thats the theory that i subscribed to. But when it comes to socio economic theories i dont take too much stock on Mats opinion. He has the same takes as a silicon valley tech bro libertarian.
his lore and science theories are pretty nice but i those ones are pretty *strange*
the classic doom guy speed, how rich is scrooge mcduck, value of hte bottle cap: classics
@@volkmardeadguy1557 the scrooge mcduck one is definitely one of my favorites of all time
He acts like a bigwig way too much nowadays. It's all to appeal to his sponsors, he definitely only cares about money
Yea, I like to go back and watch the sciencey and mathsy ones. I love the rosalina theory and the hook shot breaking links arm :D I’ve liked some of the lore ones but I do miss the science
Honestly, the way Matt refers to the Onceler, you'd think he was projecting himself unto him.
A oncler kinnie
@@huhthatsinteresting1644 Mat has 100% had a Tumblr which he used, guy was a drama kid after all
God I don’t miss 2000s internet “fandom” culture, he was absolutely engaged in plenty of it, and probably thought the Onceler was a badass libertarian going their own way
A LGTOW if you will
I know we're talking about the movie, but wasn't that why Seuss never showed the Onceler's face in the book? The idea that that could be literally anybody (even you), even if they might have started out as a humble salesperson, and once they become too powerful, that power (in the Onceler's case, the success of the thneed and the money he made from them) is going to corrupt them, to the point where literally destroying the world doesn't seem like such a problem, so long as they get money out of it?
Honestly I thought the exact same thing. It just seems like he is talking about himself there.
@@mikejeffries3333 it's partly why I hate modern interpretations of dr Seuss stories. It feels like alot of the miss the point of the message and tries to add into to much backstory for certain characters. Or it tries to add in so much filler to a story that could easily be told in 15 minutes.
MatPat’s defense of The Oncelor is the same as the one he provides himself in literal song and dance form
🎶How bad can I be, I’m just doing what comes naturally. How bad can I be, I’m just building the economy🎶
ikr.
underrated comment lol, hadn't even thought of that
“Justin, if you ever don’t want to play Morty I can do it” oof this aged perfectly
My favorite "film theory" of his is when for Harry Potter he says Nevile could have been the chosen one of the prophecy where he goes through the prophecy says all the things that could make him applicable to be the chosen one and then at the end of the video was like yeah they also said it directly in the book on this page. Which I had known since I read the book and was sitting there the entire time thinking wait a fucking second this isn't a theory they fucking said it in the book.
It's called "Film Theory", I think it's safe to assume that the theory was based on the film.
@@fastodash5751 I understand where your coming from, but when you look at his recent Fnaf theories on GAME THEORY they are based off of the Fnaf books
I think MatPat saying things in an enthusiastically confidently conspiratorial voice makes both mundane and/or wrong things sound exciting and correct. He did one of Hazbin Hotel recently that was just so bad to the point he got names confidently wrong and creators of the show were calling him an idiot
He admits that was an embarrassing moment for him, film theory was relatively new at the time as well
@@fastodash5751 ummm then why he bring up the fucking book? lmaooo
"Vote with your dollar" is such a privileged take. I'd love to be able to afford a $50 shirt that was made by unionized workers in good conditions but the big box sweat shop $10 shirt is what's in my budget. Not to mention things like being in a food desert means that you don't really have a choice even with what products you buy because you need to eat, so of course half of what you buy is going to be wrapped in a thousand layers of plastic and not sustainably sourced. The message of the Lorax wasn't "consumer bad." It was stand up for your rights and needs anyway you can. Vote. Protest. Start a union. Spread awareness. Care
secound hand existed right?
He really do be like “the people of Thneedville are enabling cruelty with their consumption. They should do the noble alternative and *f u c k i n g d i e .*
@@ThePapaja1996 because well off white women (like emma chamberlain) made thrifting “trendy”, thrift stores either jack up their prices on the good items or are completely barren of anything wearable. plus, they still contribute to a lot of waste, considering how much they take in and how much they’re able to put out. under capitalism, there is no ethical consumption, just better ways to reduce harm. for example, good fair takes a shit ton of clothes and puts them in a mystery box and they’re priced pretty well for what they give. and the trend of people up cycling old clothes, a brilliant way to develop ones style and use something they probably wouldn’t have worn otherwise. there’s ups and downs to everything, we just gotta decide what our morals can deal with.
"You criticize society yet you participate in it. Curious! 🤔" -mattpat probably
@@guy-sl3kr bruh that deadass is him tho fr
For most of MatPat's one-off videos, it feels like being a contrarian is way more important than talking about a theory that actually works. I'd like to believe it has to do with viewer interaction, but the more I watch, the more I think he is just like that in real life lol. I appreciate that you brought it up.
Ironically enough if someone pointed that out to him he would probably say something along the lines of "vote with your clicks"
I think that an easy way to counter act this would be for him to look at his theories more critically and consider the bigger picture + trying to put clear distinctions between his "what if..." type videos and his "what if x happened irl" videos from his "secret lore that nobody has figured out" videos, also pointing out contradictions at the end in a clear and concise manner instead of giving them a footnote or just passing right through it
But it's way easier to make a quick 1 million views by just spouting out nonsense that is just crazy and wrong enough to make people believe it, sorta like how a lot of stories in WW wrestling were only there for shock value
Take his "x vs x" videos for example. He literally paints himself in one side with little nuance.
@@airplanes_aren.t_real woah! Turns out you can’t fucking taste a liar, no shit Sherlock
I like matpat, I'm subscribed to all of his channels. But yes, he has a lot of garbage takes that drive me insane. I think he's just running out of ideas. Or there is a popular movie but he doesn't really have any theories on it, so he has to force it.
There's so many theories and subreddits and internet sleuths nowadays, it's really hard to be original. Either matpat should take a break or just examine already existing theories. Kinda like he did on that "why fellowship shouldn't have flown to Mordor" episode. He built on an existing theory some redditor came up with, while trying to answer the biggest or most obvious plot hole in LOTR.
Imagine if he tried to argue how Wormtongue should've been the chosen one who carries The One Ring to Mordor or how Sauron was right actually 😂
A thing that’s really important to note about the “vote with your wallets” point about the Oncler.
He blatantly says “the PR people are lying and the lawyers are denying” in one of his songs. Basically admitting to false advertising and circumventing any regulation there may be. And it’s also implied that he sets up a fake charity to “donate” a portion of proceeds to so anyone that buys a thneed thinks they’re giving some money to charity in that same song.
The people think they’re voting for a completely different thing to what they actually are voting for. If he was completely open and honest about it and they still bought it, there’s an argument that both the consumer and the Oncler are to blame but that’s just not the case.
Why aren't there more likes on this? It's a good point to add, proving why even the consumers at the beginning aren't responsible for the Onceler wrecking the ecosystem in the first place.
The people literally got lied to, walled in, and blocked from leaving and seeing the outside world wtf were the Film Theory writers thinking???
I like to imagine that MattPat was in the Onceler fandom back in the day, and unlike most of us never really grew out of his sympathy for that character
And he really blames us for him bailing on his own scientific principles in favor of producing clickbait theories? You may have something there.
Matt blaming consumers for *wanting air* is straight up sad and hilarious simultaneously.
I wonder if he hears Immortan Joe's "don't become addicted to water" spiel in Fury Road and thinks, "that's a good point. Is he secretly the good guy?"
Yeah because consumers are never wrong, its all the big corporations making things, and we just HAVE to consume them, cause i mean, its there... so why not right?
Lets not kid ourselves, big corporations are a reflection of the greed and laziness of the population. If it wasnt that way, then we would have to believe that there is just some nefarious bad people at the top of all those companies by cheer fucking luck... But you could swap people all day long at the top, and they would end up in the same please. Increasing profits, fulfilling consumer demand.
Im not an apologist of big corporations. But if people weren't so stupid as to want luxury air, maybe there would have not been a demand to monopolize it. and again the only way to stop that from being that way, is from people to wake the fuck up. Not just expect things to change . Obviously the lorax is such a stupid movie, and you can interpret it any way you want, but literally it stands true, if everyone is happy and thriving, what are we complaining about?
what late capitalism does to a mf
@ exactly
@ in the end, though, it doesn’t excuse how bad the B plot of the movie was.
Film Theory: Is Big Joel REALLY That Big???
The youtuber who calls himself Big Joel, is neither Big, nor Joel
-Voltaire
He's about 10 Joel's tall.
Verily.
Medium Henry confirmed
Conclusion - Joel is big where it counts. 😏
His heart! Get your mind out of the gutter!
My favorite part about the Lorax movie is that the two villains (who are effectively eco-villains) are so obviously the bad guys not just in the movie, but also because the movie LITERALLY released on earth day. They are meant to be the bad guys not just from the movie but also from the movies RELEASE DATE
"sure, he didn't wanna grow the tree in the end, but..." BUT? BUT WHAT MATPAT. THAT'S THE WHOLE MOVIE. TREE = GOOD. NO TREE = BAD. IT's LITERALLY THAT SIMPLE IT'S FOR CHILDREN
i mean
he missed the part where selling air is literally the most stereotypically villainous capitalist thing to do
@@k.morningstar7983 nothing wrong with zillionaires 🥰
/s
i feel like ratatouille suffers from the same confusions as zootopia - having animals be both allegorical and literal. these animated childrens' movies also aren't really going for realism (a rat presumably can't control a human being via hair-pulling..) and they should be analyzed like fairy tales
That’s a good way of looking at it
Idk it seems like mid 20's forum posters are the only people "confused" by that.
Most people can comprehend when it's allegory and when it's haha silly animal is being animal simultaneously, including most of the literal children who watch these movies.
Yeah the way I see it is that the rat can be interpreted not as a commentary on class but simply as an underdog who is not expected to succeed. It is a kids movie after all, not a deep political commentary. Stealing may help this person in the short term but unless he learns how to be a true chef he won't be repected by the accomplished or human chefs. So in this case, yes, stealing would not be the right move when there are better ways to succeed and help your family
this comment is wrong. one time a rat snuck up on me and made me dance in front of my friends. i looked like a fool
420th like on ur comment 😊
I hate those; “The Villain was right all along!” Like, ok they had a point but having a good point doesn’t mean going to extreme, often cruel and evil methods just to accomplish it means the good guys were in the wrong.
Unironically fuck movie thanos. He is the most pretentious cliche character in all of existence
@@georgecoconut8164 minor spelling mistake
@@georgecoconut8164 yea comics Thanos didn’t make any pretentions for his motives; he made it clear what he wanted and embraces his villainy
True
@@georgecoconut8164 To be fair, MCU Thanos is characterized as a delusional narcissist. Nothing about him or his motivations are framed favorably. It's more that a few too many movie goers were so clever and high IQed that they missed the point of what they were watching
I think MatPat's biggest weakness has always been confirmation bias. He consumes media and attempts to brainstorm theories, and when he comes up with one, he combs through it looking for things to support his theory without taking into account or choosing not to address things that go against that theory
if you make a channel solely about theories with a semi-regular upload schedule you need to have at least some degree of confirmation bias, no matter how good at theorycrafting you are
"dont steal" is such a weird thing for all the characters to tell remy. like, is he supposed to go to the little grocery store for rats and buy things with his rat money??
maybe he and his rat family should start a rat farm?
@@UnbridledWeeping do they just starve until the first pumpkin grows or what
@@kaitlynm9463 It's simple, really. They can resort to cannibalism. Much better than stealing from a human being!
buy things with rat money that he stole
"Don't steal" is a pretty weird thing to tell anyone, particularly if they're someone who is stealing to satisfy unmet basic needs, as is the case in Ratatouille...
The onceler just girlbossed a bit too hard. Can't blame him for that
CRYING
And well… Matpat man failed.
Oh he destroyed an enviorment endangering all humans living there and all the creatures in that enviorment?
He's just misunderstood😒
@@lunarsprinkle6580 He's a literal slay queen. No choice but to stan.
Girlkeep gatelight gasboss
"Vote with your wallet" is great because it nicely demonstrates how capitalism is inherently undemocratic. The last time I went to vote there was no bald guy there with a billion more votes than me, to my knowledge.
just a guy who could pay for ads that played everywhere
@@suryamohan3410 yeah thats also a good point dont matter who has the best ideas out there most of the time the one with the most money to buy ads will win
Hundred billion votes more than you actually.
Be less poor
No economic system is democratic. Nor should they be. But that's not the point. When people say to "vote with your wallet" they don't literally mean it's a voting system, it's a figure of speech. What they mean is that by depriving a seller of income and making them aware of the reason why, you can persuade said seller to change their practices in some way. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it does not. It doesn't matter how much money they have as nearly as much as it matters how much money they want to make in the future. It's an economic game of chicken and it can end either way. The only other alternative is government interference which can give even more mixed results depending on the competency and motives of the government.
Ah yes, the underclass being allowed to eat must always be framed as a gift, not a right. How very familiar.
Or breathe air apparently lol
Makes him feel like a boomer lmao
"Always a bigger fish"
"vote with your dollar" is one of the most upsetting takes libertarians make and it's been created and perpetuated mainly by the people and organizations that don't want things to change for the better and perpetuate it because they know it won't work. Voting with your dollar is a Prisoner's Dilemma problem where if you do it and can't count on other people doing the same thing, you are making a much bigger effect on your own life (missing out on a product, which depending on the product could take a lot of commitment) than you are on the world (being one less of thousands to millions of people consuming the product). This means only the people most dedicated, passionate, and strong willed about the issue will do it.
However, voting in a system of government does not have this prisoners dilemma. There is no effect on you unless the law you vote for (or the politician you elect votes for) passes which means the effect on the world will be substantial, and in many case you will not even miss out on the product, because the company may still release the product but now following the new law to avoid whatever harmful practice they were participating in. The government and the law's role in avoiding the prisoner's dilemma is the biggest reason the "free market" can not regulate itself, and the prisoner's dilemma is literally Game Theory 101 (the branch of mathematics, not MatPat's channel) which makes the fact that he does not understand this incredibly ironic.
its also extremely libertarian to not use paragraph breaks
Also you have to account for how many options you actually feasibly have. Some locales simply don’t have the luxury of avoiding certain products. Really, the argument ancaps give for how power wouldn’t be accumulated in their system is that the consumer could simply choose other products, but if one company owns the whole town that’s just silly. They would have to move (which is a big expense) to vote with their wallet?
"Vote with your dollar" is such a bullshit line. Like yeah, if you don't want Big Dairy to start selling BBQ sauce ice cream, then don't buy it. But imagine someone saying "if you don't like slavery, then don't buy them!"
If votes are dollars, then it follows that those with more dollars get more votes, and thus more say. Exactly what those libertarian ideologues want.
Yeah, it's so stupid even libertarians would've dropped that line if they only had 2 brain cells to rub together and thought about it for 10 seconds. If dollars = votes, than multi-billioners like Bezos or Musk have voting power of many millions of working class americans, and even average middle class american have voting power of hundreds if not thousands of poor people from poverty stricken countries like Haiti, Afghanistan, Syra etc.
The one really good Film Theorists video is the two-parter about how to survive the Hunger Games. That's what that channel and Game Theorists SHOULD be like: Nerding out over numbers and statistics, teaching a bit of science in an approachable way, but also getting deeper into the actual message of the source material (like how reality shows are a shallow spectacle manipulated by the producers to draw in as many viewers as possible, and the role crafting a compelling character/narrative plays in Katniss' survival).
Too bad the other "theories" are mostly just nitpicking, clickbait and terrible hot takes.
i also really like the video where he try’s to figure out how many possible combinations you can make in super Mario maker
When theory's focus is on numbers or science, it tended to turn out pretty good... so most of his videos before...around 2013. His lore/narrative analysis "theories" on the other hand are MUCH better handled by other channels.
i remember his old majoras mask theory where he calculated out the moon! that's what i used to like his videos for
Honestly, I like those videos, but I have one big problem with them. They said that everyone from every district has the same base chance of winning, 1/24, when the books explicitly state that it’s not the case. I looked at the articles he cited to defend that point, none of them had anything to do with that, they were just articles related to the Hunger Games.
@@missmorbid1439 but that's mostly due to resource/culture. People in higher districts have access to better food, training and are also the fuckers who want the hunger games.
So yeah, in the story is pretty weighted. But this is about YOU as an entirely hypothetical individual, and what traits would be the ones who keep you alive (it also just happens that being in top physical form is hard when you can only eat rats)
What’s worse about the Us critique is that the family *could* tell. There’s this whole bit about how Adelaide has no rhythm vs. the kids and her husband, how she’s neurotic and detached and how that strains her relationships with the family members. Her being a tether was foreshadowed from the FIRST scene in the movie!
Also: I’d argue that Us is more explicitly about race than class, with the tethers (who are literally the fuel of the US and necessary for its survival) standing in for Black people, particularly the Black underclass.
I agree. All of Jordan Peeles movies are about the black experience and racism in America. And I thought Us was definitely about race.
I thought Us definitely had themes about race but was meant to be more about class. But like, that's part of the point. You cannot discuss class in the United States without, on some level, also discussing race. The two are just too linked, both historically and currently. So any readings about the themes about class can (and probably should in most cases) be applied to race as well.
wrong, its very much about class, but Jordan understands you cannot have a discussion of class without race in the US (or really, most countries, actually). So saying it is about the black working class and not he white working class seems stupid - or maybe Jordan is a racist who also love oppression Olympics - who knows.
You could just as easily say is has nothing to do with race, ut it has black peole as the main characters because hollywood underrepresents POC and Jordan wanted to do something about it because he is in a position to.
Or maybe the movie is actually about why chocolate and PeanutButter taste good together.
The family above is black tho. Why can't black filmmakers talk about class?
I mean to me that whole bit just read as normal human behavior I know a good twist is something you have no reason to suspect until it's revelation makes you look at things differently but frankly I don't get the insistence that the difference between the thethers and those they are tethered to is obvious and noticeable when the twist is itself is based in the idea that the tethers to quote Joel are "just like literally exactly like 'US'"
“Jeff bezos is just a hard working man who made something that everyone wanted. He’s not the bad guy”
tbf amazon exist
That’s literally what he did tho 💀. There is no real reason to hate him besides the fact that he has a lot of money.
@@cool_scorpio2588 well he doesn’t treat his workers right. If he was a hard working man AND treated his workers right then he would be good
@@cool_scorpio2588 Except he has extremely shoddy and downright destructive business practices. I understand you can't control the practices of the brands you host as Amazon, but Amazon employees are constantly overworked and suffering. Six employees have died since 2018, more have been seriously injured, and even more have reported mental health issues. Amazon has become one of the most infamously terrible companies to work for. Although Bezos is stepping away from Amazon, he was still responsible for ensuring safe and healthy working conditions for people when he was CEO. We can talk all day about how the very existence of billionaires is problematic, but the point is, Bezos did not do enough to protect the people that worked for him, the people that facilitated the amazing service that made Amazon the cartoonishly massive company it is.
@@LoryskaEntertainment and, I ask thee, the problem is?..
"I think we should improve Thneedville somewhat."
"Yet you live in Thneedville and buy air, very curious. I am very intelligent."
exact meme I was thinking of in this comment section, thank you
Yeah, sure, you need air to live. But buying air? Yeah that’s awful.
@@samkeiser9776 “vote with your breath” *suffocates*
same energy as ben shapiro saying people will simply sell their houses and move if the sea levels rise
@@CEDEREL matpat definitely seems like the type of guy to idolize shapiro for his “work ethic” and turn a blind eye to his transphobia IMO
Matpat made a whole ass movie review to say he thinks company towns are actually great. Wild
which video was that?
Part of what endears us to Remy is that he's struggling with a moral code on a more mundane hierarchy of needs than the rest if the world is holding him to. "Gosh, I really hate stealing, I wish I could be better" while bullets and blades zoom past. It's the same thing that makes Aladdin endearing . Both characters steal under relatively forgivable circumstances from the perspective of the audience, who sees their lives in jeopardy all the time, and the characters are generous when they feel safe enough to behave that way.
Just wanted to get that out, 231 days after this video came out lol.
I miss the old days where matpat was just calculating how hard wario would need to fart to generate lift and fly. don't think he's super good at literary analysis.
Bruh
Yeah. I used to really enjoy his old videos that used actual scientific and socioeconomic theories and applied them to video games. Now he is just a videogame lore channel.
using silly science to back up a silly theory is fun and you can turn your brain off for a minute and enjoy something silly
but matpat's apparent lack of media literacy and weird moral rants aren't fun and there's a definite line between those two. i used to watch matpat theories like religiously and videos like these fucked up the way i interpreted stories for a looong while
you put exactly how i feel into words ! it all makes sense thank you
Ah, he suffers from the Reading Comprehension Devil
Tbh I kinda relate to the comprehension struggles sometimes lol
Tbh I kinda relate to the comprehension struggles sometimes lol
Fun fact, he just reads the scripts, a lot of those theories were written by someone else, he just “reviews” it for approval before recording the video. But obviously it wasnt always like that so clearly i agree with you. Just thought id add a little something to your comment 😁
About the whole "Vote with your dollar" stuff: While the idea of the ecological footprint was an idea of actual ecological thinking people, the "carbon footprint" was mainly popularized by fossil fuel companies to shift the responsibility to the consumer, saying "No, we're not the bad guys, you are". So basically exactly what MatPat says. When he says "It's easy to point at the big buisness guys" he acts like it's not just as easy to point at the consumers and to say "Well, just buy green products". I would say both consumers and capitalists are part of a destructive system, their relation is the problem. But the capitalists have the position of power in this system. Yeah, they need the consumers to buy their products, but a big capitalist has so much possibilities to spread propaganda, false informations and to hide the actual conditions of their products... . Like even if you want to buy the 'better products', you can't actually be sure that those products are that 'green'. And in the end, neither consumer nor capitalist will give actual solutions. 'Consumer' ist just the role you play for the capitalists. Capitalists only care about you as a consumer, not about you as an actual person. But you have to act as a person with everything that is part of you including your role in your community to change things or more: to create systematic solutions.
Not to mention how many big companies are essentially just monopolies. There is no way to consume ethically under capitalism because a desire to maximize profit inevitably leads to unethical behavior.
Also, the “ethical” products out there are fucking expensive. When people aren’t being paid enough to make ends meet, being “ethical” is secondary to survival. The majority of people can’t spend $50 on a single shirt.
Yes and it also completely destroys the ability to not buy. Power is not in the wallet it's in the transaction. If you refuse to consume as much as a matter of belief or stance, this removes you from the company's decision making. There will never be a corporation that exists that says, the wallets have spoken: they stopped buying our products so we must stop making them.
The carbon footprint and how people think about it (the fossil fuel propaganda way) is to funny to me.
You can just enter your actual information on one of these calculators online and it will make you feel like shit.
But then you can enter the information of some perfect being you can imagine that always does whatever it takes to minimize their carbon footprint.
And at the end you find out this perfect being would still consume too much carbon. Because of course this person can‘t change our larger way of life that is almost entirely controlled by cooperations. He can‘t control if streets are built or not, he doesn‘t control the electricity production, he doesn‘t control how much plastic is used everywhere. At each step he can only try to minimize his consumption a bit.
maaaanufacturing consent
Matt Patt is an comedian and entertainer and a centrist. But he does bring up a point on how absurd it is that we are allowing to package resources (Especially water) and how that points to the absurdity of Late Stage Capitalism.I mean the Lorax is a shitty film, he knows it intrinsically, because it has a villain. When it doesn't need a villain.
But he is an entertainer and didn't want to end his whacky video on a down note. I mean "voting with your dollar" is about as effective as "eat the rich memes" and hating on the system.
I think we have to be aware that its our consumer culture that is ahuge factor. If we buy clean water, we are idiots. And our species should try to at least prioritize getting water to everyone.
If we are going to have a super serious, very literal take on Ratatouille I feel like it would really have to focus on how horrifying the prospect of a world were rats are fully sapient beings but still treated like pest animals is. Like, if rats are people, then maybe instead of focusing on letting one rat cook we should address them being the subject of ongoing genocidal mass murder?
the very existence of exterminators, like, as a profession, has always disturbed me a little within this world. Made all the worse by the fact that Linguine doesn't even seem all that surprised by the fact that the rat he's about to drown is actually basically a tiny hairy human. So do people know about the sentience of rats?
@@fennelcomeaux9663 Chicken run is for me, the epitome of this horrifying concept.
It's basically a human food farm, its basically cannibalism!
these theories remind me so much of when i was in high school scribbling out overdue essays during lunch. sparknotes on my phone, the untouched source material next to me, and all i can do is pick a stance - any stance - and bs my defense well enough for a passing grade. knowing big words and how to use them is a common coverup tactic as well, i see.
I think that's probably very accurate to what's going on. His early content seemed really genuine and interesting. I imagine he had a lot of ideas stored up from years of being a gamer and a nerd, and he went into it not expecting money but just the fun of the craft. Then as time went on, it became his job while he simultaneously started to run out of ideas from his stockpile. Now he's stuck on a schedule with something he might not be fully interested in, and all he can do is try to make a defense well enough within schedule.
yeah, I guess it all makes much more sense if you remember he has to deliver like 10 theories a month between all his channels. Especially with how produced and padded out all of his videos are. Like BJ says at the end of the video, the actual show is a bit of a prop for his bad jokes.
“MatPat just kind of chooses and angle and goes with that come hell or high water”
This is what made me fall out of love with his work. The nuance of every subject was lost in order to make a more compelling video. Details that would challenge or undo his theories are ignored and minor points in their favor are highlighted and brought to the forefront. I mean the subject matter isn’t incredibly important, but these are still disingenuous arguments he’s making. Not to mention that his tighter and more fast-paced upload schedule necessitates this type of take since there simply isn’t time in a few days to “answer” questions that fandoms have been arguing over for months or years.
This is exactly why his Sans is Ness video is such garbage and meme’d on all the time.
@@Linkbrawler9000 I mean, even mat himself jokes about how terrible it is sooooo.....
@@qwertydavid8070 He also joked (while being disparaging towards Persona fans) about his Persona video where he was so wrong about the lore it wasn't even fun. Sooooo....
All jokes aside, when you have as much pull as MatPat you have to be more careful about what you say. I don't think MatPat fully understands that considering examples brought up in this video.
@@wardrobewings8000 Fair point, I will agree with you on that. Apart from ending every video with the signature "it's just a theory" catchphrase, matpat doesn't make it clear in his videos that people shouldn't take everything he says absolutely seriously. He certainly expresses it during the livestreams, but I don't see much of it in the actual videos themselves, which causes most of the problems. The only videos I keep up with are the ones more focused on actual science, and the ones that are meant to be jokes (eg. baby shark is adopted), but the lore ones are just better to ignore. He gets most of it right, but there are some assumptions here and there that he pulls out of thin air, or out of very weak connections. And when you're known in the internet as the "funny lore man", anything that you say about a game's lore is going to hugely affect the entire fanbase.
@Zoe Collette didn’t he post some really distasteful game theory about what characters would survive coronavirus around that time?
I’ll never forget when he made a Film Theory where he argued FOR the Empire because the Rebellion dared to waste taxpayer money by destroying the Empire’s planet-destroying space laser.
he later said in relation to that video that it was a joke, i think
Also, this might be a little bit of a reach, but it's very interesting that for "Us", MatPat places the blame on capitalism and consumerist culture, but then in the "Lorax" video, turns right around and basically praises the things he was criticizing
And then he says Morty isn't the same because he acted differently in two episodes, even though MatPat isn't acting the same, in relation to his criticism, in these two videos.
I’m assuming he’s just saying whatever to just be contrarian. This is his full-time job and needs to get those views. Contrarianism sells much more than the actual truth. It’s more flashy, eye-catching than just agreeing with the actual point that everyone already got.
It’s not like he actually agree he’s just making the content that works, he enjoys making theories about things that are alrighty obvious there’s no real debate unless he actually does proper research and time into it aka his fnaf or food theories.
Because each story is different.
@@maxwell8758 There is one 10 year old among us.
Hershey: Literally enslaves children.
Matpat: Sorry I just can't fault them for creating and selling a product that everyone wants!
Exactly, libs have 0 understanding of nuance
@@jenm1 explains
@@jenm1 liberals are pro-capitalism?
@@jenm1 I feel like you've gotten yourself very confused.
@@jackweaver1846 NeoLiberalism is very much a pro-capitalist mentality.
i love the implication that its more moral to starve to death than to put a restaurant out of business...
Let's not forget about how one of his first "film theories" was for Harry Potter and it took him 14 minutes to "prove" something that was literally stated outright in the book.
He literally claimed he didn't know...?
@@toastialian But that doesn’t mean everyone else doesn’t. It’s not a theory; it’s just a fact.
@@eris6676
Yes that actually makes sense
But he literally didn't know, so i don't see the problem
Matpat should've just stuck to science theories imo. When it comes to the context of the game, he either points out something extremely obvious, or misses the mark in every way possible.
@@toastialian - ... How do you not see the problem? If you're going to make a film theory video about a story... maybe the first thing you could/should do is read the *source material?!*
Also I can't be bothered to watch a braindead Film Theory video, what "theory" did he "come up" with?
I think the reason Matpat takes these stances is something you can see from watching his live channel’s playthrough of the latest FNAF: he makes a theory as soon as the thought enters his brain, and continues to try to prove it even if it ends up indefensible. His latest theory is so egregiously off that he’s decided to retroactively theorize that *every MC* in the games with a static game over screen was meant to be a robot, not just Gregory.
That's kinda the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do when forming a hypothesis
Sadly it’s not an uncommon phenomena. People often tweak facts to fit a hypothesis rather than the other way around. When he only did Game Theory it was more charming as it at least elevated the discourse of the medium of the bit. Film Analysis is a long extant discipline though
@@justtheoneofme159 okay boo hoo he's rich
@@shjilz I don't think this is meant to be a defense of MatPat's shit quality, merely an observation. Perhaps one could even call it.... A theory.
@@SeymourDisapproves A Theory Theory!
I like that you put "evil morty" in the tags
someone on youtube searchin' for evil morty content, and gets served this
Big Joel === evil morty?
also Thought Slime videos make my life better
I like that you know this.
Your daily reminder that nowhere is safe, from the Eyeball Zone.
Never thought I'd find the eyeball zone in the wild like this
now THAT is an evil-genius move!
I liked older matpat, like doing the math on how fast chun li had to spin to do the spinning bird kick. Or even if the thing could be done, or if you’d just die. Like the leap of faith from AC. These newer theories are more boring and just try to analyze movies or games in sometimes weird ways. Or look super deep into lore of video games.
Lore dives work for shit like From Soft, but he does it for a lot of stuff where it seems like he’s pulling it out of his ass. And I say that as someone who still occasionally watches his shit, because he’s still entertaining.
How did MatPat misinterpret a movie/book meant to be understood by literal children so badly
Because misinterpreting things is the whole point. He's just saying "Look, kids! Intellectual dishonesty is easy and fun!"
The point of these theories is shine light on the most absurd and unlikely possibility.
@@doddermodd There's no point in shining light on things that simply aren't there. Unless the point is to create an exercise in sophistry.
But let's not kid ourselves, it's just clickbait. They're not "theories" or even "possibilities". He's literally just making shit up for clicks, then using tortured logic and mental gymnastics to come up with half-assed justifications.
@@neofromthewarnerbrothersic145 bro its the lorax hes just having a good time
@@shasta_le_bab Hmmmm... I wonder why you cherry picked The Lorax and ignored the more serious stuff like Us. (Just kidding I know exactly why.)
Yeah I'm sure he's having a great time making tons of money from suckering in impressionable kids that can't see through his brand of bullshit.
Hm whose oxygen will I buy today?
A) the only guy that sells it and has a monopol on it?
Or
B) the only guy that sells it and has a monopol on it?
Hm I will simply not buy oxygen. That'll show him, and without any personal consequences.
wasn't this the thing that the villain in *Spaceballs* did, to suck the oxygen from planets to sell for money?
Matpat had a kick where he made a bunch of theories about how the bad guys in various media were actually not bad guys. The breaking point for me was when he did this with star wars and the empire, and because the empire is based on the nazis, he ended up just spewing a whole bunch of fascist propaganda points
MatPat's constant conflation of legitimate criticisms of discrimination with "cancel culture" (see: his latest State of TH-cam video) is frustrating
who did he discriminate against?? i didn't know anything about this ):
Now that you mention it, you do have a point
Also his vid about Scott Cawthon really makes it clear that he doesn’t understand the impact that politics have on people’s lives
@@turquoisecrow4513 "You should be fine with someone contributing to the pockets of politicians who want to make your existence illegal and legally gain control of your body. It's fine. Why are you all so bent out of shape about this? Stop being such meanie heads and just buy his games more."
@@prettyevil6662000 So you just didn't watch the video then?
Matpat probably: "People in British controlled India ate food, and sometimes even danced and listened to music! Therefore British colonial rule of India must have been good! They even provided a product everyone was lining up to buy, Opium!" It's just a theory...
I think the problem with Matt pat. Is that he's dripping with sarcasm. He learned from early success that his fans as they were, like big over the top reactions and conspiratorial thinking. Since he's too charming and personable and polite to let out a torrent of f bombs, when he criticizes the absurdity of a situation, it still comes off as sincere.
I'm not saying he's a centrist or a sellout... he's comfortably explained he likes success. But since he is not angry doesn't swear and doesn't have long one hour videos people assume when he says what he believes.
And while I do think he added a feelgood message at the end and "I think the Lorax sucks and it shouldn't have a villain" isn't an amazing hot take, people assume he's not sarcastic because he doesn't swear and isn't mean.
Half of his videos about secret villain or secret hero plots are dripping with absurdity and sarcasm and self referential humor to his old fans.
He did a banger about Hazbin Hotel that everyone took so seriously.
@@luizabianco Oh wow, I could cut it some slack if the game was itself Indian and made by Indian developers but I'm guessing it wasn't... As a side note, isn't weird how people can't separate nudity from sexuality. Nudity isn't inherently sexual.
@@luizabianco that seems like a full and total lie
@@luizabianco which video was that ?
@@elizabethlee2136 Yeah the Grubhub theory was my last straw. It is so bad it is hilarious.
Oh good lord, THANK YOU for that Lorax section. Film Theory came out with a Lorax vid ten days after mine dropped, and BOY, I'm tellin' ya...for weeks I was stuck under this endless downpour of comments like, "The point of this film went right over your head! It's the consumer's fault! Go watch the film theory video, you idiot!"
I didn't want to come off like I was butthurt, so I kept my mouth shut. It's true that the film puts a lot of the blame on the consumers. But YIKES, as someone who doesn't come from a lot of money, those comments REEEEALLY rubbed me the wrong way. It was Mat's "vote with your wallet" moral that got to me the most. I'm glad you pointed out how corporate leaders like O'Hare CREATE demand. They pull crap like lobby to block public transport initiatives so consumers are forced to buy more gas-based cars. Corporations also out-price or consume the opposition, so that consumers have fewer companies to choose from. And that's not to mention the fact that middle-class America barely exists anymore. Fewer and fewer people have the resources to "vote with their wallets." It's all hand-to-mouth. Even a couple bucks can make a huge difference when you can barely afford food, rent, and meds. Amazon knows that, and that's why they make sure to post lower prices than family-owned businesses. To place the blame on consumers and prop up the corporate leaders as heroes amongst all that...Ugh. Just...thank you.
(I appreciated your Ratatouille portion a lot as well!)
P.S. Just saw your comment about Universal. RIP. Those guys were RELENTLESS with my video.
Blaming the consumer for a predatory corporate tactics under a functional Monopoly is the financial equivalent of blaming a rape victim by saying, "Look at how you were dressed. What did you think was going to happen?"
The whole reason why monopolies are bad is because they completely remove the consumer's ability to "Vote with their wallets".
So yes, I feel your pain after watching that video.
And frankly Matpat seems to have a disturbing undercurrent of anti-consumer philosophy in his videos in general.
A problem is that people blame capitalism for monopolies, while monopolies are the opposite of capitalism and come from government control.
Y’all need to realize that matpa…he doesn’t really put a lot of research into some of his videos? They are kinda click baity so with most things he prefers (probably true thing< crazier and more entertaining thing)
@@EvilSandwich okay you guys are getting a little out of hand. Matt patt, The film theory guy, is not prescribing a corporate agenda. You and the guy who made this video need a Twitter users anonymous meeting and you need it bad.
Can't believe Big Joel made Matpat quit and made Justin Roiland beat his wife just so he could take over their projects. Looking forward to your future Rick and Morty theories tho
It’s funny because these are things that happened but as we epically know Big Joel is not solely responsible for 😂😂😂😂
"I love that you do interpretation...for kids." Oof, ouch, yikes. Got 'em.
Fuckin' love it, dude.
Love your videos Zoe (and your cats)!
The Crossover I didn't know I needed :o
I prefer wasps
An interpretation channel for kids is still a pretty noble endeavour. I used to watch MatPat back in the day and I still think he's a good TH-camr - it's just that I'm too old for his content now.
@@TheMessiahOfPoo Who the fuck likes wasps
I once heard someone say, "one of the problems with voting with your dollar, is that people with no dollars get no votes". And like for all of these terrible matpat theories they've got this twinge to them that he wants to be liberal or leftist but just can't stop simping for big buissness
Yeah, it’s like even if you buy into the idea that the consumer has all the power that means some people get millions of “votes” and other just get to “vote” with the $10 they have in their pockets. Even using their own logic it’s a terrible system
Wanting to be left but being unable to stop simping for business is just inherent human kindness being stomped out by living in late stage capitalism. Like, a lot of people will agree with leftist talking points, but dread the word "socialism"
@@espinacasable I was about to say this seemed a bit too charitable, but then remembered that my parents apparently used to believe in some leftist ideals as well when they were much younger, but decades later they’re very much capitalists and have a lot of distaste for anything bordering on socialism. Turns out capitalism really gets you.
MatPat's problem is that he *is* big business. His struggle to make it to the top of the algorithm has informed his world view such that since he worked hard and "made it", it is right that those who work hard should "make it", and maybe even *true* that those who work hard will "make it". This is a fundamental myth of capitalism. Effort is in fact a small part of success.
I think this is the problem with pseudo-intellectualism. You whiff your own farts so much you see everything as commentary on left and right.
It isn't a surprise to anyone but the crowd that needs to touch grass but... this isn't how the world works. Because it's a play on the market, the better and more likeable product wins. The consumer monetises company's greed for their own good and unlike other systems where 1 vote is worth nothing to people in power, it most certainly makes a difference to companies.
"He takes a stance and runs with it come hell or high water." is exactly the description of his For Honor theories that feigned historical accuracy by stating "facts" that were so holywood film and untrue it hurt.
I think the reason MatPat is so wrong about so many things is that he's doing it for content. He's working backwards so he can have content. That means starting with dumb conclusions and then finding evidence to support them.
not exactly dumb conclusions, just flashy ones. it's good for content if you can be like "this is why (villain) was actually the good guy!"
ok but who remembers when his film "theory" about harry potter was just something that was outright stated in the books, and then when people called him out for it he acted like it was some obscure lore only mega-fans would know
uhh... when did he say that? He admitted that it was a bad theory in his other Harry Potter theory, but he didn't act like it was too hard to find :/
@@madddmooney Angry people.
@@EatonArrsenik wait what
what was that theory about?
@@TheBonkleFox it was a theory stating the only reason harry was the chosen one (not neville) was bc of who voldemort visited
Matpat saying the thneed is a revolutionary product everyone needs is so fun. It’s clearly useless.
Thneedville is supposed to represent the First World and the fact that even though everyone appears to be a happy consumer, beyond the flickering neon lights on the Walls there's still a world of desolation and misery.
the implication of mat pat’s reading of ‘us’ is actually quite classist and cruel. it implies that people born into lower income or lower class circumstances are soulless and inhuman. like, he clearly didn’t think that one through.
But it's more fair when watching "Us". Like, we can like Us, but we can't pretend it accurately portrays class relationships.
It’s true though.
He’s not implying that poor people are soulless. But rather hopeless and with out opportunity.
And it’s a completely valid interpretation. The underground is significantly poorer than the surface. Furthermore, they can be interpreted “soulless” as they have no emotions, no mercy, and can’t even speak. They are forced to parallel the surface until they revolted and showed that they are ‘us’.
That’s why he brings up the twist. Because we find out there is no difference between the tethered and the original person. There is no difference between the lower and upper class.
I think it's more on the idea that their existence is artificial, and the idea that clones were monsters/weren't human and didn't matter was disturbingly prevalent in Sci-fi before the turn of the century.
why are the tethered trying to kill them if theyre not evil??
I think this is just a case of digging deep into something and revealing your own implicit bias and subconscious beliefs. And I think that conservatism proves that a lot of people feel that way, even if they don't know. Even left leaning people get caught up in those biases a lot, it's truly ingrained in western culture at this point
joel's sweaters are great, they're like those AI-generated images that almost look like real things from afar, but they stop making sense when you look closer. is that a hotdog? a twizzler? a fried egg? nope nope and nope
I thought it was a bunch of flags at first
Also how the fuck are the people in The Lorax going boycott literal air???
honestly the one about ratatouille made me angriest- I'm poor. I'm lucky enough to have internet and food. and when I was little my family would sometimes steal from huge farms or workplaces just so we'd have vegetables to eat, and dishsoap to clean our dishes. I see myself in remy because of this, and I do think that crime is justified when it's needed for survival.
matpat's privelege is showing in all of those tbh
They rats my dude. its a fictional world... Im sure if you see a rat eating your food, you will feel bad and let it keep going, and not kill it or kick it out of your house, maybe I'm wrong, maybe you an animal lover, and all the animals have free roam over your food and kitchen, i personally keep them separated.
But nice pointing out matpats privilege over a stupid theory, don't get me wrong, he and most successful TH-camrs are privileged nowish, doesn't mean they haven't work hard for it though. I mean matpat was a starving theatre artist barely getting by , he talks about how they were so poor and struggling that they couldn't afford to have good meals and they literally made the most of Mcdonalds 1$ meals... before game theory was created,and up to year 3+ and he created it just to have some portfolio to try get work. and he didn't commit to youtube until like 5 years in, which means he was having full time job, while keeping the channel alive and managed.
He also doesn't come from a rich family, but he also wasn't poor. so ill give you that, you had it worse than matpat, but why are we gatekeeping how much you can struggle in life ? I don't know, i don't see it that way
Well remy coud ask linguinni for food, i mean, there is the scene where linguinni gives him the cheese thats from the restaurant but not his, but i mean, he has enough comunication to tell him to buy stuff, and im pretty sure linguinni has enough money for rats, like i get the other scenes, but hes still stealing while he now has a human he can ask to buy things, and im not even saying this from a moral point, he literrally steals for no reason, like its stupid to steal when you can buy things cause you will be punished, its just a dumb him for him to do lol
@@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043 He did get food from Linguini, up until the moment when Linguini kicks him out for "making his life a mess." Then he dips back into old habits, the film explicitly treating this as wrong, and creates a Wedge between Remy and Linguini.
It’s a goofy theory on talking rats for entertainment. If you get pissed off by that and you think MatPat has privilege because of that, you need to take a step back
none of you understood what i said. yes Remy is a rat but in this specific movie rats are on the same level as humans. and his privilege DOES show with how he looks at it, even if it's "just a stupid theory about q movie".
none of you will change my mind. i know what i lived through and i know what makes me angry.