"The Happiest Wives in America are Conservative Christians" | Prof. Nancy Pearcey
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- In this interview John speaks with evangelical author Prof. Nancy Pearcey, who offers valuable insights into the concept of masculinity, from the importance of fatherhood to the history of the nuclear family, and the impact of Christianity on marriage. She argues the latest sociological research shows that faithful Christian men make the most stable marriages, loving fathers, and happy families, despite claims Christianity makes men "toxic".
Pearcey also critiques the common loathing of young boys and how it’s manifesting in poor educational, physical, and family outcomes. As a result, male social media influencers who present a harmful version of masculinity have gained widespread support amongst young men. John and Pearcey conclude that to reverse these harmful effects, we should value fatherhood, promote responsible Christian masculinity, and stop the open disdain of men in the public square.
Nancy Pearcey is a bestselling author and speaker. A former agnostic, she was hailed in The Economist as “America’s pre-eminent evangelical Protestant female intellectual.” Her work has appeared in The Washington Post, The Washington Times, First Things, Human Events, American Thinker, Daily Caller, The Federalist, CNSNews, and Fox News. She has appeared on NPR, C-SPAN, and Fox & Friends. She is currently a professor and scholar in residence at Houston Christian University. Pearcey’s books have been translated into 19 languages and include Total Truth, The Soul of Science, Saving Leonardo, Finding Truth, Love Thy Body, and The Toxic War on Masculinity.
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00:00 Coming Up
00:35 Introducing Prof. Nancy Pearcey
02:23 What defines a good man?
06:00 Society's open disdain for men
10:45 The history of toxic masculinity
16:45 Women did not want the vote?
22:40 The impact of Christianity on men
27:35 Divorce rates between nominal and Christian men
32:20 The biblical model for gender relations
42:55 The boy crisis
47:45 The girl crisis
50:20 The impact of declining Christianity
55:20 The impact of children
1:00:40 The importance of fathers
1:07:00 The feminisation of the church
1:13:30 Christian apologetics
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I have a 2 year old son. Whenever someone holds the door for us, especially a man, I say to him: "when someone holds the door open for you say thank you!" My husband loves the WWE and will play wrestle with our son however if he tries to play wrestle with me our son becomes very upset. At two years old our son understands he needs to be gentle with me, but he can horseplay with his father and other boys. I hope attitudes towards men change by time my lovely boy grows up.
This is great :)
A teacher of teenage boys here. I often have to remind them that they are NOT toxic - despite the woke propaganda sewer that floods them.
So refreshing to hear this conversation. Thank you John for bringing us these wonderful guests.
It's interesting when one looks at the principle of Projection - feminists project their own desires and fears onto men.
It has been decided aragon from lotr is our mascot non toxic male
We HAD programs for boys; the Boy Scouts, YMCA, sports, working with our hands, spending time together, all of these have either been taken over or they are discouraged heavily.
By women.
Boy Scouts in Au allows girls to join, however Girl Guides is female only
@@paccawacca4069 Also the powers that be. But its too late now for the USA. They cross the point of no return back in 2008 if we are honest. Best thing for anyone not just men is to leave the USA while they can.
@@JKTProductionzIncNCoDon't quit. It is what accelerates the downfall.
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I find this quite powerful, despite it being from a movie. A good movie too by the way.
@@paccawacca4069 if men can't defend their interests from women that sums up how weak they have become.
As a christian father and grandfather I can attest to all that Professor Pearcey says. I had almost forgotten the changes that happened in me in the wonder of becoming a father 37 years ago. I now have two wonderful grandsons and the miracle has repeated itself. I live abroad some months every year and coming home to see the grandchildren and taking them up in my lap and talking to them is my greatest joy in life since my dear wife died 6 years ago. Thank you professor for your work and thank you John Andersson for this interwiew.
It's creepy that you mention them sitting on your lap specifically.
@@sarahrobertson634did you forget to take your hormones
@@Oo7Hola Not on hormones, incel. But I know a creep when I see one.
The transfer of provision and protection away from a husband to a collective state has been a disaster for most of society. Feminism repudiates subsidiarity.
I love this! True feminism should support women in their roles as mothers and encourage men rather than making them the enemy. We need each other.
Why should feminism need to encourage men?
Let the non-feminists do that.
Who decides who has what role? What about mena nd women who don't want to fit into those stereotypes?
Feminism is not about discouraging or encouraging women in any particular social role.There is nothing anti-feminist about being a mother. You should investigate was feminism is and is not.
I've no objection to women being supported in their roles as mothers, as long as feminism supports women like me, who have never wanted children.
My biggest pet peeve IN THE WORLD is that the entire women's lib movement was basically that women should be free to be... Men.. not that women should be free to express and live in their femininity without shame or the feminine role being treated as second class. Instead, it villainized traditional femininity and advocated for women being able to behave like men. Don't get me wrong, I support freedom to act how you want, but I also think women's lib should've honored the feminine while also advocating for women's ability to take on a masculine role.
A major problem with trying to rectify the increasing issues with young men underachieving is that any atempt to raise this within the mainstream will always get shifted away from men and on to women, and how women are being held back.
The main stream sadly does not want to talk about men and men's issues
For centuries prior to feminism its only men that were the primary concern in American society.
It's like the talk on the BBC where a male guest was talking about his concerns with male suicide and Ava kept pushing back at everything he said and turned it into a "woman issue" and everyone just let her spill her misandry without any checks
Leave the mainstream behind, any dead fish can float downstream/mainstream - pick up a Bible, read it, find a church that actually teaches from it, seek the Author, grow, impact those you interact with daily. Life is hard - there is only one Answer.
Lots of people don't want to discuss males. It's not a bad thing. Males are being de-centered.
@@briankenome Truly, male suicide is just not that concerning.
Wow. Not only was she incredibly learned and taught me things I didn't know despite having had an interest in the topic for 15 years, but it's so obvious that she does this in good faith and with love for men and women.
I'm a voracious consumer of long form material like this, and this is hands down one of the best interviews I've seen in quite some time. Thank you both.
Yeah, I agree. Great guest.
I am an atheist (lapsed CofE). I miss my faith and dearly wish I could simply switch it back on again.
But... I think all the evidence points to a deterministic explanation of life.
The inclusion of a deity to explain the mystery of existence and consciousness is simply cut in two by Occam's razor.
But a fascinating speaker with some real mental nourishment for us all imo.
@@cnrspiller3549 You can 'seek and you shall find'😁
Long form from people who have done the research are one of my favorite consumables too.
@@cnrspiller3549 I’ll be praying for you!
Atheist believe that the universe came from nothing, yet we don’t have evidence of anything in the world coming into existence from nothing. I’m also curious what the atheist explanation for life is? How does a living being come from non-living matter (matter that atheists also believe came from nothing). I believe that our world points to a Creator :)
Think about how incredibly complex our DNA is, or the fine-tuning of our planet’s orbit, or even how many things that have to go perfectly for just one cell in our bodies to function properly, let alone our entire body.
God is real, and (good news ☺️) He loves you! Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life ❤️
@@chantellexu4096 thank you for your thoughts and prayers.
This is amazing so needed in our day, I hope it goes viral.
I completely agree with Nancy about nominal Christian men being the worst example of fathers and husbands. My first husband was textbook in this. He went to church regularly and he even read his Bible often. But he never let it sink into his heart and he never let it change him. He was abusive, he was domineering, and he used Christianity to justify everything that he did wrong. He would never look at himself but always blame everyone else. I can't remember him ever telling me he was sorry for anything. And he fooled me because he seemed to be on fire for God when I met him. No one could compare to him in how he prayed with power. So ladies, be careful. Just because a man appears to be godly by going through the motions does not mean that he's letting the message of the gospel change him. I learned this the hard way. I'm just so glad that God never left me and he never forsook me and he walked me through the pain into healing and learning and growing!
religion is often similar setup as working class community... narrow space of being and very dependent on others, thus that can be used against you as blackmail to close out of group if dont agree on some opinions or do as "they" want. Although that also sounds like man without father. Very common nowadays. People become more stoic in that scenario, also women, but that has flipside of not be able to learn or develop as well as with healthier community support.
That's why they call it 'Churchianity'. Has nothing to do with God
We will all have to answer to God eventually.....
Sunday morning Christian
Narcissism at its finest.
Thank you both, a truly encouraging conversation
The problem with surveys is that many claim to be evangelicals, but do not attend church regularly, consult ministers when they have marital problems or never marry at all. Others attend church for a few years, then stop when life is difficult, yet never seek counseling or quit after a short time. Plus, in most churches its easy to join, but they don't get kicked out for resistant misbehavior. Churches with "strong man" autocratic leaders seem to have more male misbehavior.
Apparently the survey Pearcey quoted did make the distinction between true Christians and nominal (in name only) Christians.
@@MrWeebable…& she mentioned that it was based upon the statistical variable of “Church Attendance” ✅
I thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you for this conversation.
27.14 the different treatment on Mothers Day vs Fathers Day in churches has been my observed experience in Australia, not just limited to Baptist mega churches in TX.
When I was young I thought religion and going to church was a waste of time. I figured I was a moral person and I would do moral things not ever thinking about where morality came from. Throughout my life I’ve started to do some reading and now realize how evil and brutal humans have been to each other throughout history. Now I’m beginning to understand the benefits of religion as a guiding light to morality whereas before I just thought it was a natural state of being. I hope there is a God. I don’t know if the Bible is metaphoric or literal but the stories are great for morality and human interaction. Given this alone religion is good for us if we can all follow the teachings.
Maybe people need religion that actually fits.
I often joke about having weebs and otakus go shinto.
Great discussion. I hope more see/hear it.
This was great, she should be on Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson.
I love this discussion ❤. Thank you
Great interview. I bought the book!
What a brilliant discussion and so much to think and act on. Time to start promoting positive masculinity again!!! Amen!!!
Thank you ma'am.
I don't know if my experience is typical or an outlier. I invested substantial effort and energy in to being a "good man". However, the rewards I hoped for in this life just have not been there. It starts to feel crazy to keep trying to sacrifice and be good when there are no rewards in it.
Good for you on taking on a noble quest. The only thing I may offer you is that Life is long. Success or rewards worth receiving take time, sometimes a lifetime. Sometimes your impacts aren’t recognized until after your life, but that doesn’t make it any less meaningful. Best wishes and good luck on becoming a great man.
No ROI.
You're not crazy. Good men are not respected and rewarded in society at large. Social media has also made many women see good men as "icky". You can still find the kind of society and reward proper to good men, but it's something you need to seek out in smaller societies, like churches. God bless and keep you on your road.
If you're in a church, do the other married men in the church agree that you're a good man?
If they do I bet the answer lies with them
Indeed, many men these days just do not get a good ROI.
Oh my gosh. I looooooove this info!!!!!
Q: Why no one is talking about good woomun and what is that supposed to be? Discuss in light of accoutibility and responsibility.
During the 30s years I practiced in my own office, I was hit on by many women. Most of them were married, church-going women. I was hit on by married women so much that I grew skeptical of ever getting married. I did finally meet someone I could trust, but I was 45 by then.
What was your practice?
@@bonsummers2657 I suspect it was a delusion or simply untrue.
@@kc6810 yes. I wouldn't be surprised if it was pure delusion. But my guess would be it's actually a lie.
He was hit on by so many women... That's why he didn't get married till 45 🤔 yeh sure thing buddy.
This is really good and informative. Thank you
I have lived and worked all over the world in my 57 years, met a lot of people, in men i have noticed that most who have psychopathic or narcissistic tendencies had dominant mothers and weak fathers, the most violent either a violent father or single mother with multiple partners, those with gambling, drug or alcohol issues either an abusive parent, a single mother with dependencies or a father absent for long periods with work who drinks when home.
The reason that men have fallen behind in jobs and education is the US Government. In addition to laws, the Government denies funding to agencies and schools that don’t participate in their mandates. An example would be Affirmative Action. I was a member of the officer selection panel that would hire state police officers. We would administer tests to determine who would be eligible to enter the police academy. There were three lists to determine who were appointed to the academy. One list was white males, one was females and one was minorities. There had to be an equal amount of candidates in each list so if the academy was accepting 30 applicants to a particular academy class there had to be 10 applicants in each list. This of course would, by its nature, place lower scoring participants in the academy. There had to be 10 white males, 10 females and 10 minorities in the class so that even if the eleventh person in one class scored higher than the 1st person in each of the other two classes, this eleventh person could not attend the class. No wonder we have todays police officers that do a terrible job. The same kind of thing occurs in school programs of all ages and especially those accepted in colleges. That’s one of the big reasons more women and an an extraordinary amount of more minorities are attending colleges than white males. As for the churches you are correct in that men are chastised on Father’s Day and women are held in great esteem on Mother’s Day. I don’t even go to church on theses days any more because I don’t want to set myself up to be angered. I believe that this whole gender issue which includes gender reassignment is due to the “Great Reset” that is being waged against Americans these days and is linked to their attempt to depopulate the planet.
Yup. "Women's rights" was always a dog whistle for the modern day death cult.
yep sexism legalized against men for decades
lower the standard to the lowest common denominator. Maybe the men should identify as a woman?
Lots of blame shifting going on here. Women are surpassing males because women now have the rights and the freedom to do so.
Replies are hidden. Which means you hit the nail on the head and your post is likely to come down
She lost me at Secular = unremittingly bad, religious = unremittingly good. Some of the most pious people I have known turned out to be the most judgemental, intolerant and unhelpful.
I hate the Southern Baptist Convention with a passion. They basically decided that if their hellfire and brimstone sermons make a bunch of paranoid schizophrenic children, so be it.
Yes, thanks again John, and thanks to Nancy. Men have allowed this to happen to an extent, we have encouraged and supported females in their pursuit of opportunity. Men need to speak out against toxic femininity - and yes this phrase is alive and well (t-Shirts/book titles that innappropriate whatever). Men do actually need to set boundaries on this. The simps need to held to account, and we need to support our young men growing up. And please, fix the family court system!
I would use the word propelled where you use allowed
Yes. do research from the start! Feminism itself is a supremist movement not for equality ever ALL about POWER!
Merry Christmas, John
I've been a huge fan of Nancy pearcys wrightings for years. Thank you for your work. God bless you Nancy.
This historical information is incredibly important at this point in Western society.
Very informative 🙂
We're living in a gynocracy and provided men keep on paying their taxes like good little serfs they'll continue to get treated poorly.
Very interesting!!!❤️🧡🧡
This was such a great talk. It makes me more equipped to help both sexes in this societal misunderstanding that we face about the roles and responsibilities of the sexed and families.
Very important subject. I agree with a lot of what was said but would question a few points made but any discussion on the negativity around masculinity is to be most welcomed. We degrade men at the world's peril.
Only because they're psychos.
Looks like an interesting interview. I'll try again after it's been up long enough that TH-cam no longer runs ads over it.
After that, it is even more tragically clear that we're all going to have to reap what they have sown. I am just glad to be old now, so I have nice memories to ease the pain toi come.
What a sweet lady, very articulate and knowledgeable and a faithful Christian! Thank you so much for the upload.
The only Nancy P. we need
Thanks for hearing me, a woman, out. Thank you for your new book, Nancy Pearcy!! Hope you sell millions of copies!! In Jesus’ Name!! God bless!!❤😊
Just bought the book.
Amen 🙏🏾
Amen.
'''Where ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise'.
I don’t think I’ve ever in my life seen an article or video discussing the happiness of men. Weird huh?
Have a look at Prof Jordan Peterson’s work.
He is an amazing advocate for men, especially young disillusioned ones. My two sons both benefitted greatly from reading his book, “12 rules for life”.
@@anniearmitage3633 I’m sorry you feel that way. It must not have been a good marriage. Sometimes we pick the wrong one. I know I did but I got divorced after 28 years and now I picked the right one. When you are young it’s hard to understand what you’re doing. I hope you are having a good life now. Peace.
@@anniearmitage3633 I meant in the mainstream media.
How about telling Christian women that it’s not ok expecting monogamy but keeping their men celibate
Crazy how the women online that constantly bash men and scream at protests aren't the happiest in the country
Yes, becoming a father was the better thing I ever did. And now, that I am a grandfather, this is the most important job I have.
Just 10 mins in but a couple of comments (part 1 below, and part 2 in the reply below)
Part 1: Is their a difference between: a person's "own" first person account of the relevant virtues for their person their context and their interpretation of, and application to, a situation on the one hand; and "another" second person's view of what constitutes the proper virtues for the first person. Well normally we think this difference in terms of a difference between which and what are the appropriate virtues for that person, and differences between the proper interpretation of a situation of will and action and the role of the virtues there. Thus debate can rage here over the persons character and personality and so the virtues proper to them, and between how to understand their context and how interpret the situation of action properly. Indeed the Hellenistic Stoic tradition held that the capacity for proper judgement of a situation e.g. assent depended already on having the appropriate virtues in play as second nature already, while perhaps also a corrected judgement with regard to truth could allow us to reshape and reorganise our virtues. That's the standard view now wherein what the appropriate virtues are contested, in public at least, either sceptically ie. through an historical genealogy, that shows them to be historically constituted relative and the manifestations of power E.g. as expressing the first person's virtue as a carer can be both the first persons expression of their power to care and control or a second person expression that some first person's virtue is to care and protect them.
Even with the modern Cognitive Psychology upgrade of Stoicism as Mindfullness Virtues: 2.0, what is missed in these discussions is whether if two people even agree on the appropriate virtues for a first person, their is a difference between that person themselves agreeing to those virtues and a second person telling them they ought to agree to those very same virtues. I think this distinction is from St. Augustine on freedom of the will, sin and Cicero on Justice, but i can't find easy quote at the moment. In the case of steeling apples, whether past habits of theft or failure of judgement and assent, to prevent coveting the apples, St Augustine gives an account of steeling applies which is driven neither by necessity or appetite, but by the very fact it is prohibited. He also criticised Cicero for making Justice the first principle of the City, but thought if will was determined by God then happiness or eudaimonia would follow the appropriate virtues. The idea that justice and so law and politics is first means that really the only role the virtues can have is secondary or subservient to to law, ie virtues and judgement are all aligned teleologically not for the sake of the agent but for the sake of the law, or the economy of the City. The problem though is not just the turning of the person into a tool for heteronomy, as they say do your virtues for the city and you share in the GDP, its because with justice and law as master, the person looses all genuine personal regard and interpersonal regard because there is no way to distinguish between whether they act as Kant said out of reverence for the law or duty or just in accord with the law or duty. It returns with Wittgenstein on following a rule verses being in accord with a rule. This is because law necessarily requires force or the threat of force, and so i may follow a law not out of willing, but mealy out of feart of being caught. Indeed this later view has become so dominant: historians imagine where there is no law against something in the past then people must have done that thing. Also the psychology of risk to vulnerable people defined by justice and history, has taken over the Stoic Augustine tradition, and it links personal happiness as independence and economic utility and adherence to law. This is the role of the psychologised virtues to produce law abiding and useful persons to the state ie tax paying non reliant on anyone individual workers.
Part 2: There is though in this an an odd return for the virtuous man and that is political action for justice. its like Hannah Arendt's take mon Kant's private right duty as well as public work duty,. but the discourses around these activities are technical and strategic and tactical and the virtues of a person here is as tactician a techne, and interpretation not phronesis. Wisdom here is for the person to stay within the law and to change the law for justice and change education to create more of these kinds of people.
The modern return to Hellenistic thought emphasises adherence to law and work, and this is achieved by process of education and training of second nature to take law as the horizon and risk as the difference between a person's habits their context and the anticipation and reduction of risk. But the total cosmology here is covertly or accidentally aimed at removing the very possibility of breaking the law though training to the law. That is adherence to the law is established not though the possibility of punishment but though habitual training. But the Stoicism here threatens the very possibility of a free will due to scientific behavioural conditioning, the very possibility of authorship and responsibility. System of justice here seeks as a kind of advent or double effect the end of man. So for example no one will be praised for good action or even rebuked for bad ones. Good and bad defied by law as the only recognised moral system and with virtue under it or eliminated. Rathe it will only be institutions and technologies that will be praiseworthy, even the people in them will only be avatars of their upbringing.
It could be worst though: in China i believe if anyone does a good deed they are rewarded by money or credits, thereby erasing the possibility of good as well as what we have here just eliminating the possibility of bad.
People might ask what ought to be male virtues now in recognition of the Socialist view that they are historically constructed and so now might even be anachronistic in substance, if useful to still deploy if politically expedient. Like Stalin's "Heroes" of the "Patriotic War", these terms were anathema but useful in that context. So useful in fact that i think this was why Stalin had doubts and arguments about the hope of education to escape history and tradition see his Pravda essays on Linguistics at Moscow University available on Marx(ist?) dot org.
I want to retain the person and the virtues, but not in the form that Cristobel Pankhurst strategically drew on in World War One to be used by young women to shame men into going to that war. Indeed i imagine in some circles it is Cristobel that is praised for strategy and tactics much like an efficient good advertising campaign not the men who were caused and determined to go there and die. No one praises anyone for buying something they see in an ad. why is virtue in this sense captured as of a malleable worker and consumer any different?
Thank you for the discussion so far John Anderson and Prof. Nancy Pearcey.
30 minutes in: it's brilliant how she refers to studies that discern between Christians, nominal Christians and secular men.
It appears that many stereotypes of the domineering Christian man are in fact created by partly secular men who cloak their bad behavior in the garments of Christianity, and perhaps do their evil deeds with a religious conviction.
Isn't that the very definition of the age old accusation that bad people use religion to further their own evil?
But it's hardly unique to Christianity. Since times immemorial what villain has not cloaked himself in the garments of virtue, thus deceiving everyone as to his true intentions?
It's virtue signaling used as a smoke even.
Please forgive me for going off topic, but professor Pearcy is the perfect person to ask on this subject of Jesus "laying on the hands" during his ministry.
The Roman military devised methods to maintain their solders on the long marches with very heavy equipment. At the end of the day they tried to schedule the setup of camps at hot springs where the soldiers soaked in hot water,were massaged, and then had spinal manipulation (maybe a little wine)during the period before and after Christ. I practiced as a Chiropractor in Florence for many years and a divinity student,my patient,stated that he had seen articles that Jesus may have used manipulation on his followers. Has anyone seen any articles that might support this observation?
Great interview. Always amazing when we finally figure out God knows best regarding what He was designing.
It does not take a PhD in religious history to know that many people who claim to “know” what God “wants” are often wrong - like those evangelicals who backed Trump, and still do! “What would Jesus say?” Accountability for them as well as for him.
How do you get to Trump when I am talking about God's creation and design of humanity. Does he have to come up in EVERYTHING?? I didn't vote for him, OK?@@liedersanger1
God's not real, folks.
@sarahrobertson634 if God's not real, then neither are you...😅
She's a Genius.
"Love Thy Body" excellent read
This was a very fascinating discussion! I have always considered myself agnostic, but the older I get, the more meaning and value I see in Christianity. I wish attending church was more like attending one of these discussions.
Find the right church mate, with strong male elders, and you will have it. What’s stopping you find it?
@@pokinacha I’ve always had poor experiences with churches (I’ve attended more than I can count) and I really don’t have patience for dogma. I see beauty within all religions, I just recognise that Christianity is the most pragmatic.
@@karrishannon Christianity, true Jesus focused Christianity ask everything from you. It is sacrificial, self-abating, humble and prostrate. As Paul says, it’s foolishness to the worldly thinking. Hardly pragmatic in many ways. CS Lewis is a great place to start imo if you’re looking for a man who hated the modern church but worshiped the Christ.
@@pokinachaSee that’s where I fall away from the church - the “religious speak” as such, quoting direct biblical passages with no context and talking about Christ as if he were God. I see the two as separate entities (I am more Jewish in my thinking here), but that doesn’t detract from the value of Jesus at all. Thank you for the recommendation, I’ll have a look into CS Lewis. I’ve heard some great quotes from him.
@@karrishannon less a quote and more a paraphrase but I see where you’re coming from.
CS Lewis in his Mere Christianity talks about the Liar, Loony or Lord. That is, if Jesus is to be taken as the biblical (and non biblical person. Josephus and other 1st century historians have written about him as a historical figure) Jesus, he was either mental, a charlatan or Yahweh in human form. Lewis struggled with this because how can the omnipotent creator become human? Judaism struggles with this as well because the Messiah can’t be human.
Tim Keller was also an amazing writer and theologian who passed away this year. Some of his Sermons are absolute gold. Good luck on your search
Hmm, don’t leave out the Orthodox Jewish women. We are quite happy too… keeping Torah and raising children. Some of us are even into homeschooling 😉
Interestingly, the study quoted at 4:11 re 'good' men vs 'real' men list a number of characteristics/traits/behaviours that could apply to either gender (m/f). Are there any specifically masculine traits? If not, have we really answered the 'good' vs 'real' men question?
An interesting conversation. However I find myself raising a sceptical eyebrow about the studies Nancy frequently refers to and the statistics they quote. Academic research is all very worthwhile and exciting,for academics, but the rest of us are perhaps a tad doubtful. In today’s London Times the headline reads “Risk of infertility increases with each 1cm around woman’s waist.”
Oh, really?
Tomorrow we’ll no doubt be told that erectile disfunction increases according to the number of digestive biscuits you ate during puberty.
As a Christian I don’t do cynicism but scepticism I think is permissible.
They typically blame everything on the woman, including the ED
30:28 Apt analysis
War ,War and more War ,John is right we are tearing our society apart because we do not have any aspirations . We are constantly looking backwards instead of moving on to the future.
The Andrew Tate argument is not all that dissimilar to the LGBTQ argument that I was born with these desires, therefore it is okay.
I just finished her book 'the toxic war against masculinity'. Can't recommend it highly enough for insightful analysis incorporating history, sociology, and theology. Timely and practical.
John, you need to look at the work done by movements like Men Alive in the Catholic Church
The problem with this whole conversation is the assumption that morality comes from God, and cannot come from reason. Lots of highly moral people find religion, as such, incomprehensible, odd, and even downright mad.
MAKES EMINENT SENSE
The happiest women are by their husband's side, under his arm, close to his heart from whence she was taken, also when both are God fearing. Men and women are equal in value, hope & death. Never mix up value & authority.
As much as I liked my other half ( he died), I have undoubtedly been happier as a single woman. And no he didn't leave me loads of money
I told my son, when he was a teenager, that a good man protects women and children.
Just like Saint Joseph!
What's interesting is how much the mindsets of both Christians and evolutionary psychologists overlap. It's almost as if we've evolved to replicate and invest in our offspring...hmm. It would be interesting to see this lady have a discussion with Ed Dutton (The Jolly Heretic) about this - Dr Dutton argues that there are two evolutionary models at place - R & K strategists. R-strategists are live fast, die young where men are not committed to families, only to reproduction and pleasure (the harem is an example of this) and women are tough and want men who are not good, not kind but who are strong, so will produce tough strong children, whereas K-strategists aim to invest in their families to build groups optimised for long-term survival strategies (the harsh, stable climate thesis).
Not surprisingly, the sort of parents Professor Pearcey describes as having the best outcomes fit the K-Strategist model very closely, where as the dysfunctional inner-city lifestyles (dominated by gangs - there's real toxic masculity) produce short-lived males who emphasise violence and displays of wealth and female dominated family units (single mothers supported by exhausted grandmothers).
But how many are K to their very core? How many people are just r types that are occasionally pressured into acting K by holy orders?
I think we should change the definition of 'real man'...real man should not be derogatory? It is a shame that young boys (and others) associate all those negative traits with 'real man'.
So what's the divorce rate among evangelical Christians?
The problem is the term, as if often the case in date. Nominative (in name only) Christianity is mixed with church-attending Christianity. I think the separation of this group is incredibly important.
Just a thought, in all humility.
It's necessary for men to be good (agathos) and real (andreia).
Ignorance is Bliss.
I think this is probably better put.
Of making many books there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh.
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.
-Ecclesiastes 12
It appears people would prefer certain knowledge after the fact (Luke 16:19-31) but think its blissful in the moment. Yet, I have never met anyone suffering from a disease who would think being ignorant of the prevention or cure as blissful. Or worse yet who's loved one was.
1830 ??
Which countries have the best family friendly policies? It's China and Russia, CGTN The Point-Hub-Heat, Einar Tangan-Martin Jacques-Lijinjing-Tian Wei. Reporterfy-Cyrus Janssen, RT International amazing journalists...
"Hyu-ston" Put an h in front of the U in Eulogy.
What a perceptive endorsement of the reality of "both and."
John nails it again. A I will create a perfect adult human female replica which will fix everything. .
The only problem with that is , what is left to do with all the women in the world?
People are running away from God but science is teaching us what God commanded is the best way of life
"The Happiest Wives in America are Conservative Christians"
The truth will set you free.
The biggest single predictor of the quality of maternal care is a supportive husband i.e. the man, not the woman.
Just goes to show how independent women really are.
Never hear anything about men's happiness unfortunately.
"You have responsibility for the common good of the whole" certainly did NOT come from "classical republicanism." It was the core concept of monarchism, i.e., noblesse oblige. Democracy and capitalism with Smith's "invisible hand" are the antithesis of common good of the whole. With capitalism especially the common good are supposed to magically appear from the greed and acquisitiveness of the individual. And democratic law is about individual rights and especially property rights -- again, no common good of the whole intended.
I am a successful husband and the prove of is my wife loves me warts (not literally)and all.
Romans 1....disregard for God's Presence in our lives results in all that Nancy speaks into
This was one of the signs of the end of the world! The world has blown the gasket.
Just adding as I listen...In today's world, children cost a lot of money, is there a problem with wealth distribution? Corporations aren't really interested in supporting families - not from a wealth sharing perspective, look at the massive divide between executive and 'average' employee pay?
Yes, men lose 40% of their income to wealth distribution schemes, to uphold dysfunctional unproductive behaviour of sinhle mothers, to support wars in which their brothers die, to support an educational system that wages war against the souls of men and the women they wished to marry.
Out of touch old people: Blame the Starbucks lattes, avocado toast, and Apple phones.
Do not blame the Blackrocks inflating real estate.
@@skylinefever Don't blame Blackrocks? - There's certainly enough blame to go around. 300K - 450K where I live for average family home in rural america is crazy , ( and paying almost 30K a year in house payments - not mention if their in the higher income bracket could be paying about 40% in taxes, plus student loans?, coupled with a car payment or 2 ). Apartments are not any better on average for 1 bedroom is $1400 - $1700 month ,and can makes it impossible for young couple to save for down payment - ( There are no starter homes anymore) lattes, avocado toast, and over priced phones aren't indicative of a married couples trying to start a family.
@@sitka49 I'm joking that the out of touch old people order us to not blame the Blackrocks.
@@skylinefever You'll own nothing, and you will like it. 🇺🇸
I am very sceptical about this talk, especially about the title and the section titles in the video. But let me make this rant short:
To the title: How is happiness measured? And why does happiness even matter? Other research has found that indigenous people at remote places are just as happy as us "civilized" people, what is that supposed to mean? Lets go back to monke, right? Right? No, because happiness is a dogs**t metric, especially if measured alone in a vacuum. So, lets go back to those happy conservative christian wives. What has been measured? Wives that are christians, or whole households (do the kids count?) ? Again, what constitutes happiness? Lets not forget that with a dogmatic religion such as christianity in America, we get lots of peer pressure (just like in Islam) where you pay a high price for leaving your community, therefore staying and accepting your condition becomes you. I quote Eowyn from LoTR: "A cage. To stay behind bars until use and old age accept them and all chance of valor has gone beyond recall or desire."
This ties into my point about women's right to vote: Liberating 50% of the population has led to immense growth and prosperity, and we should not fall into a false dichotomy here. We should strive to have the best of both: Good families and liberal societies and prosperity.
Anonther point is the divorce rates (which is somehow assumed to be a negative metric, more = bad, why?) shows that the divorce rate is lower among those couples where the woman is educated and financially independent. Yes, women initiate most divorces in this group, but they are still the low by comparison.
The rest of the video was fine, I am too for a stable family structure, however it may look. I actually like the multigenerational integration just like southern europe has. It's a hassle, but you basically got automatic grandparents and aunts and uncles that can look for your kids. My opinion.
I often saw reddit as a collection of atheists who reached that conclusion because they were stuck with Jesus's crappiest people.
Beautiful testimony of transformed life for God's honor.
I like her take on masculinity, but I'm not sure about her take on secularism. It seems to me she's comparing the best of religious men to the average of secular men, calling religious men who don't do well as husbands as nominal christians so she can discount them, and finding the secular men wanting.Maybe I need to look more into it but that seems like cherry picking.
I tried to think about some of the talking points rationally.. It is positive that christian men are doing slightly better on average, but why does it have to be a case for christian faith? We know most of the secular men won't convert and start reading the bible no matter what you promise them, so can't we just start figuring out a fresh narrative and "grid" for those vast numbers of secular men so they can also start living better lives?
Sounds like the alternatives here are either you look up to god, try to wrestle with J Petersons jungian mambojambo or you'll end up following Andrew Tates (yes, plural). Any ideas brethren? I'm thinking of going back to ancient Greece on this, or perhaps the samurai codes, or even daoism.
I have often joked about having the otakus and weebs go shinto for the benefit of religion.
Ignorance is bliss.
No one is forced to vote. If you don't want to vote, don't. I, however, will walk ten miles uphill, no asked and barefoot in a blizzard, on a road made of Lego bricks, to cast my vote.
LoL, as John would know voting is compulsory in Australia. You get a fine if you don't vote.
@@grannyannie2948 aren't Christians supposed to obey God over man? Seems to me a good Australian Christian woman would eschew voting and pay the fine.
@@lepp6598 You assume that I don't want to vote. The compulsory nature of our voting makes it even more important than you cast your vote. And even then our preferential system means that strange things happen. Our current government only got 32% of the votes.
@@grannyannie2948 that was the impression I got. Apologies if I misunderstood you.
@@lepp6598 No worries. I was just meaning almost nobody here doesn't vote. Merry Christmas.
Why dont people leave men were not pawns in any side
They sure dont want to be drafted do they
Would most men now even be suitable for draft?
Why does that matter they would still have to anyway
One could argue that Andrew Tate is correct about the nature of men, if only in the sense that 'all we, like sheep, have gone astray. We have turned, every one, to his own way.' Yes, it's natural, in the sense that every human being has a natural proclivity to sin.
Andrew state is perfect example of an Islamic man. I’m not sure how he fits in this discussion?
Probably be a few and don't count in Gaza Christian people not completely deserted by the Holy Father and the rest of the world..
I'm glad I'm not one of her students, she doesn't seem to ever be able to deliver a point. There are (I'm not actually going to go back and count them) at least 10 tangents in the last half hour. If you have a point, make it. You're an educator I hope you understand the need to accurately and concisely deliver knowledge. Oof.
And the argument that 'because the world view makes me feel better, it is more correct' is the second most horseshit thing I've ever heard as a point of scholarly merit... behind 'because god said so."
24:54 this is called lying with statistics: Of the set of Christian men, take the subgroup who actually attend church regularly, and of that group look only at the slice that are sincere, and of those regular church attendees who are sincere, select the subgroup who are motivated, and of that subgroup select the ones who are committed, and then measure that tiny slice of the population. Then present that cherry-picked slice as though it's representative of the larger whole
Indeed, same with the "happiest women" bit, sure, pick the women least likely to feel free to complain.
Least able to complain as well. My experience of complementarian churches is that there is the public face and the private. What women smile and nod along to is out of sync with what they signal privately. @@Yxalitis
I always joke that if you want to know about Christians, have fun asking the people trying not to lose Pascal's Wager how good life is, not the people who genuinely get something out of God stuff.
The Andrew Tate comment is not true. Other then that she is quite on the money.
Andrew Tate knows women flock to wealthy men and masculinity, you cannot change what women wants so be that and use it to your advantage like women do.
Good explanation of 'good' v 'real' masculinity.
However, you seem to attribute 'real' masculinity as something which young men feel they need to perform.
You haven't mentioned that the biggest driver of 'real' masculinity is not the men themselves, but women.
While women say they want 'good' characteristics and rail against the 'real', they are attracted to the 'real' and reward it with attention etc.
The good man doesn't get a look in.