@nickbarlas5544 we all agree that makoto is the most gifted, powerful, and talented persona user. he has abilities like fusion skills, allowing him to use two personas at once to attack someone. part of the inherent talent was having the death arcana's ultimate shadow within him.
Yu can't beat Makoto. I think it's canon too, cause Igor said that Makoto is the best guest that the velvet room has ever had. He hasn't said that to literally any other protagonist
@guicardoso1280 Cute. Makoto was always stronger. He had death sealed within him which granted a boost to his powers stronger than Yu ever would have had. He was already talented before. He can also use fusion spells, which no other protagonist can. He also is able to defeat elizabeth one-on-one, suggesting he's on par with velvet room attendants, known to rule over power. He has access to abilities like "Armageddon" which can instantly defeat almost any lesser opponent. Yu isn't anywhere near this level of power, ability, potential, and talent. Igor regards him as the best guest he has ever had, bar none.
Yu in his prime can't beat Makoto with the universe arcana, but he would put up a good fight against Makoto before fighting Nyx and after fighting Takaya
@@-n1trox- wrong Igor already said that he couldn't believe he would see that card with his own eyes considering he already saw world arcanas from in the previous games its either 1 or 2 if i remember correctly and universe is stronger than world considering he can make the impossible possible stated by Igor
@@kaizercone2018 youre right actually, I completely overlooked that. However still over everything that he’s gone through in p3 i still think it’s possible that he is the strongest
@@nene5990 he's really not especially when we start comparing the World and Universe arcana to each other and realizing just how similar they are to one another making him equal to Joker and Yu. The World/Universe arcana trio are the second strongest in the verse with True Nyx as the strongest
@@kaizercone2018 And this is what happens when you don't play The Answer, there was a possibility that Makoto eliminated death, in this case Nyx, the point is that that was never Makoto's goal, the purpose of the seal was to seal Nyx to prevent the malice of human hearts from awakening him, in this case, there the creation of Ereberus occurred, Makoto was able to withstand the attacks of the true Nyx, and even after using the universal arcana he lived long enough to fulfill his promise
Mid diff hell. Narukami got no points at all. Makoto yuki would literally just use apocalypse on narukami and it'd be like being hit by a morning star from Margaret
Okay 15-0 is just fucking BS, like i would say Chad Makoto is probably winning this but Narukami at least gets some points, also Yu doesn’t have to fucking die to use myriad truths 😂
Myriad truths is arguably only seen as strong as it is because of how bad P5's balance is. Armageddon from every other standpoint FAR outmatches it, and Makoto can use it by himself
I'd say experience goes to Yu, because Makoto Yuki hasn't done what Yu has in P4U2 which is fight within a combination of Tartarus, The T.V. World, and the Real World
with experience there is both quality and quantity. Quantity wise they are somewhat equal, where makoto has fought far more powerful characters such as nxy, Elizabeth, arguably the arcana bosses ect.
This is very true. But I’d give Yu Narukami as he was smart enough to figure out adachi was the murderer and we don’t have many feats of iq from Makoto. And Narukami would get experience since he was in the main p4 game Q, Q2 (Makoto was in those games) and Yu Narukami was in p4A. And Makoto sadly… ya know
Without universe arcana it would be a even fight but makoto is the only one to have universe arcana and that alone is way more impressive than the world arcana so yeah makoto wins
Gameplay wise, makoto is definitely the strongest. He can equip all type of weapons. He can use fusion spell alone without any help. Atlus had to nerf him in P3P because he is too strong.
You have to remember that both Yu and Joker have access to a larger compendium and more abilities in there moveset due to the difference in game mechanics from P3-5. Ultimately they all have access to the omnipotent orb meaning only Almighty attacks will actually work. Makoto being able to use Fusion spells is never explained and almost all of them besides Armageddon and Infinity is basically useless. Armageddon isn't going to actually be able to kill them due to Joker and Yu having access to moves like Enduring Soul which can resurrect and being able to use Myriad Truths which can oneshot Makoto back.
@@anjingbabi4468 I know he does. All of them have access to moves that can resurrect themselves like Enduring Soul and an Almighty Attack that can oneshot each other.
I dont know, all people say makoto is the strongest because universe arcana but i think they are in the correct but its only my opinion, i need finish persona 4 to take the decicion.
In terms of story, probably (All persona stories are good) If you can no diff a god with Satanael, and a giant ass bullet, just do it to Messiah and Izanagi-No-Picaro
@@martistheartist7494 ehh I'm not completely sure since yu is more experienced fighting other persona users and they all have the wild card and scale to the exact same feats
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I can feel the bias coming out of this.
I mean persona 3 and 2 mc are on they own league
This happens with every Persona match up. Nobody is on the same page as to where the characters are in relation to one another.
@@nickbarlas5544I think one thing most would agree on is that p1 protag is the weakest and excluding p4 fans most agree that yu is the second weakest
@nickbarlas5544 we all agree that makoto is the most gifted, powerful, and talented persona user. he has abilities like fusion skills, allowing him to use two personas at once to attack someone. part of the inherent talent was having the death arcana's ultimate shadow within him.
@@Bagelboy4 perfectly said, the only debate I can accept is between ren, tatsuya, and makoto. and imo makoto>tatsuya>ren>yu>p1 protag
Yu can't beat Makoto. I think it's canon too, cause Igor said that Makoto is the best guest that the velvet room has ever had. He hasn't said that to literally any other protagonist
Yep, the multiple persona summon , Armageddon, it's too strong, and he dies.... The strongest is dying is so sad 😢
I think Yu has more experience as if we include P4A hes been with his persona way more than Makoto has as has more experience fighting
experience doesn't mean anything when one is the universe and one is the world
makoto is way more powerful
Makoto climbs 300+ tarturus flores
Yu does 7 Dungeon with 10 flores
Also Yu has Rise wich os way more overpowered than fuuka
@guicardoso1280 Cute. Makoto was always stronger. He had death sealed within him which granted a boost to his powers stronger than Yu ever would have had. He was already talented before. He can also use fusion spells, which no other protagonist can. He also is able to defeat elizabeth one-on-one, suggesting he's on par with velvet room attendants, known to rule over power. He has access to abilities like "Armageddon" which can instantly defeat almost any lesser opponent. Yu isn't anywhere near this level of power, ability, potential, and talent. Igor regards him as the best guest he has ever had, bar none.
@@guicardoso1280Not at all, if we compare the original PS2 versions, Fuuka would win
@@irisdaniels2318Correct me if I’m wrong but can’t all persona protagonists use fusion spells?
One Armaggedon and its over
Yu in his prime can't beat Makoto with the universe arcana, but he would put up a good fight against Makoto before fighting Nyx and after fighting Takaya
Narukami: The World
Makoto: The Universe
Obvious who wins
Actually, the world is bigger than the universe...
@@-n1trox- wrong Igor already said that he couldn't believe he would see that card with his own eyes considering he already saw world arcanas from in the previous games its either 1 or 2 if i remember correctly and universe is stronger than world considering he can make the impossible possible stated by Igor
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I’m gonna be honest yuki is probably the strongest in the persona universe, he beat death itself
No he isn't. You have to remember that he still got oneshotted by true nyx and only really blocked erebus access to her. That's not really a win.
@@kaizercone2018 youre right actually, I completely overlooked that. However still over everything that he’s gone through in p3 i still think it’s possible that he is the strongest
@@nene5990 he's really not especially when we start comparing the World and Universe arcana to each other and realizing just how similar they are to one another making him equal to Joker and Yu. The World/Universe arcana trio are the second strongest in the verse with True Nyx as the strongest
@@nene5990 Universe Arcana
@@kaizercone2018 And this is what happens when you don't play The Answer, there was a possibility that Makoto eliminated death, in this case Nyx, the point is that that was never Makoto's goal, the purpose of the seal was to seal Nyx to prevent the malice of human hearts from awakening him, in this case, there the creation of Ereberus occurred, Makoto was able to withstand the attacks of the true Nyx, and even after using the universal arcana he lived long enough to fulfill his promise
1- Makoto
2- Tatsuya
3- Yu Narukami
4- Joker
This is my top powerful protagonists. And I played all the Persona
Joker >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fodder Narukami
@@Kaguya_Houraisan Izanagi no Okami is broken
Honestly i think yu and joker are equals
Mid diff hell. Narukami got no points at all. Makoto yuki would literally just use apocalypse on narukami and it'd be like being hit by a morning star from Margaret
Okay 15-0 is just fucking BS, like i would say Chad Makoto is probably winning this but Narukami at least gets some points, also Yu doesn’t have to fucking die to use myriad truths 😂
Sadly in the catagorys i used
Physical Strength is the only point Yu can get in this battle
Myriad truths is arguably only seen as strong as it is because of how bad P5's balance is. Armageddon from every other standpoint FAR outmatches it, and Makoto can use it by himself
Universe arcana diff
I'd say experience goes to Yu, because Makoto Yuki hasn't done what Yu has in P4U2 which is fight within a combination of Tartarus, The T.V. World, and the Real World
with experience there is both quality and quantity. Quantity wise they are somewhat equal, where makoto has fought far more powerful characters such as nxy, Elizabeth, arguably the arcana bosses ect.
I think the protag power list goes
Tatsuya ≈ Makoto = Kotone > Ren > Yu > Aigis (Large Gap) > Maya ≈ Naoya
@@kaizercone2018nah I can't be bothered 💀
@@sensational7335 Greater or equal and I changed my mind since 4 MONTHS ago lmao
@@kaizercone2018 ik I just thought it was funny lmao
Joker is not stronger than Narukami
@@TakeTheWorld21 I'd said he was because Yu reveals the truth, Ren changes the truth.
This is very true. But I’d give Yu Narukami as he was smart enough to figure out adachi was the murderer and we don’t have many feats of iq from Makoto. And Narukami would get experience since he was in the main p4 game Q, Q2 (Makoto was in those games) and Yu Narukami was in p4A. And Makoto sadly… ya know
You can do Maya (p2) vs femc ?
Sure, im busy with a video rn but i will make that suggestion in the next video
Without universe arcana it would be a even fight but makoto is the only one to have universe arcana and that alone is way more impressive than the world arcana so yeah makoto wins
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Gameplay wise, makoto is definitely the strongest.
He can equip all type of weapons.
He can use fusion spell alone without any help.
Atlus had to nerf him in P3P because he is too strong.
You have to remember that both Yu and Joker have access to a larger compendium and more abilities in there moveset due to the difference in game mechanics from P3-5.
Ultimately they all have access to the omnipotent orb meaning only Almighty attacks will actually work.
Makoto being able to use Fusion spells is never explained and almost all of them besides Armageddon and Infinity is basically useless.
Armageddon isn't going to actually be able to kill them due to Joker and Yu having access to moves like Enduring Soul which can resurrect and being able to use Myriad Truths which can oneshot Makoto back.
@@kaizercone2018 Makoto also have enduring soul. U never play p3p?
@@anjingbabi4468 I know he does. All of them have access to moves that can resurrect themselves like Enduring Soul and an Almighty Attack that can oneshot each other.
@@kaizercone2018 yeah, so your myriad truth argument is invalid since they all have enduring soul.
@@anjingbabi4468 They can use it multiple times and it's not like your armageddon is killing anyone neither
Shouldn’t strength and if we split up feats and hax, feats go to yu?
I'd say physical strength for yu and feats yeah
Makoto yui wins in a battle 1 vs 1
Yu is alive
Hmmmmm seems a bit biased
At least Yu actually killed and in golden befriended his god
Someone hasn’t played ultimax
I have played ultimax 💀
Imma remake this video anyway
Yeah ok
Everyone knows yu would beat Minato
Never lol
I dont know, all people say makoto is the strongest because universe arcana but i think they are in the correct but its only my opinion, i need finish persona 4 to take the decicion.
I'm Better though.
Nah Just kidding They're better than me ;-;
In terms of story, probably (All persona stories are good)
If you can no diff a god with Satanael, and a giant ass bullet, just do it to Messiah and Izanagi-No-Picaro
Akira is better than Yu that's for sure, Makoto not so much.
Well yeah, because you don't exist
@@martistheartist7494 ehh I'm not completely sure since yu is more experienced fighting other persona users and they all have the wild card and scale to the exact same feats