Timber nogging and blocking tips
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2024
- Noggins (blocking in the US?) are used to provide additional support of a timber sub-floor. They’re used in all types of framing - walls, ceilings etc. and are essential to stop timber from twisting over time. In this video I’ll give you a few of my personal tips for using noggins when building a deck structure.
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@Gosforth Handyman. Well - Noggin was the King Of The Northmen. And no sign of Nogbad The Bad with your attention to detail! Great work as usual. Stay safe and well.
Cheers bud! 👍💪
Hi again Andy. I love your attention to detail and laughed when your brain went walkies. I know the feeling! DeWalt cordless impact drivers are brilliant unless, like me, you left one in the cavity above the ceiling. I did remember but had to remove a sheet of plasterboard to do it 🌞
Oh no! Easy mistake to make Ray!! I dread to think what I've left over the years. 😂😎
Hi Andy, if I’m using a bunch of pre cut noggins. I fix the joists with screws or nails first. Then Come back and fit joist hangers after . 👍 decking looking great
Cheers - yeah defo another approach! 👍👍
That impact driver is a demon!
So glad I upgraded!! 😂
Pilot holes. Yes! So nice to see.
Hardly anyone seems to bother these days! 😥
I do like attention to details. Thanks for sharing Andy.
No worries!
Thank you for spelling it correctly in the title, with that third, silent G that very few seem to know about. 🙂
Ha ha I changed it in the interests of SEO 👍😎
Perfect timing you answered two questions I didn't know I had on tomorrow's project. Spooky! 😅👌
Fantastic - hope it went well! 💪
Very useful as always, could you please tell me what the long bit holder that you use in your impact driver? Regards Paul.
Great information, as always.
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Brilliant, great to have the tips and the maths. Although I will have to rewatch the maths a few times to get my head round it. Warped wood here in North Yorkshire. Particularly doors would be called skellered. Which I think may have something to do with the Vikings. The name that is, not the bendy wood.
That's interesting! Some of these joists were terrible. 😂
Clear, sound advice 👍
Cheers!
Great work. Love it. Bonus useless fact. When i hear you speak to me it sounds like Mark Knopfler doing TH-cam handyman videos. Doesn't get any better. Look after one another was often a way he'd end shows too.
Ha ha thank you! Love Dire Straits. 😎
Great video Andy 👍
Hi Andy, I use the word "noggins" your sub floor is looking solid. It is annoying with sheet goods, some are measured in mm and some are in inches. as always a great video full of good tips, take care
Cheers! I'm 100% pushing for the metric revolution now. 😂😎
@@GosforthHandyman I do use mm, cm and inch but I do favour metric on inches
👍👍👍. Thanks Andy
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That's using your noggin!
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Did you pre-drill the joists for the noggins?
At what span are noggins required?
How much do they add?
It's mainly to stop the joists twisting over time. Struggled to find official regs other than this, not sure if it's still valid though: "Where the joists span over 2.5m, strutting is required to prevent joists twisting when loaded. For spans of between 2.5 and 4.5 m one row of strutting is needed, at the mid span position. For spans in excess of 4.5 m two rows of strutting will be required, positioned at the one third and two third span positions."
Beautiful solid decking there, just one question would it be possible to use this system as a base for a shed. Very uneven ground...
Definitely 👌
I’ve just had a garden shed installed and guys built a 4 x 2 frame, 4 x 4 posted into the ground ( with postcrete) all goods
Defo! 👍💪
How have you put the footings?
Andy what is conditioned osb?
''OSB3 Grade Board is a precision engineered board ideal for structural applications designed to be used in humid conditions. It is an excellent choice for humid structural applications such as house building and commercial construction projects.''
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Hi Andy, there's one question id have which wasn't answered in the video, what span doesn't require a noggin? And are there large spans where 2 or more noggins are required?
The only official thing I can find is this, but not sure how up to date this is: "Where the joists span over 2.5m, strutting is required to prevent joists twisting when loaded. For spans of between 2.5 and 4.5 m one row of strutting is needed, at the mid span position. For spans in excess of 4.5 m two rows of strutting will be required, positioned at the one third and two third span positions."
@@GosforthHandyman cheers fella, you're the GOAT as always!
It doesn't really matter if the joists bow a little here n there. The fixings will be fine as you'll be able to see them whilst installing the decking.
Great video. Question, how do you get the noggin bolts in which are by the wall?
Put them in first, when you can still move them.
@@firesurfer ok, but doesnt look like that on the video
Just kinda toe-nailed them in. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman I so wish I knew what that meant!!! :)
My old Dad would call our heads noggins. As in: "Shut your noise you kids or I'll give you a clout across your noggins!" Not that he ever did, because we were too fast for him.
Ha ha yup we use that here too! 😂
Worst part about ordering plywood in Australia was finding they came 2400mm x 1200mm. But all other sheet goods were 2420mm x 1210mm ish. Customer wants 2x 600mm rips? Not possible. Tried explaining it was only a couple of millimetres, but when they're geometric fascia panels on a theatre foyer, it adds up.
Too right!! 👍👍💪
So that is where the term; use your noggin came from. To we Yanks it means to think clearly. Hahaha
BTW looks good.
Conditioned OSB:
Already exposed to water to get the swelling out of the way!
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Here across the pond, they are spacers.
Interesting! Also blocking?
I guess? Everyone I know always called them spacers to keep the same space (16" on center) between joists, rafters and wall studs.
Helps prevent warping of wood supports.
Самое лучшее: минуту назад написать комментарий "Вам нужна терраса" и сразу обнаружить видео со строительством террасы.
Thanks Andy, more great practical advice there, I think when you're spacing out anything keeping an eye on the running total and checking for square/parallel are key ! Beautiful job on that deck, this is why we DIY, you'd never get a trades person taking that degree of care, but tbf if they did we wouldn't like the cost they'd have to charge us for it !
Thank you!! 👍👍😎
We call them noggins here is Australia 🇦🇺
Are you able to share your 3d files? 🙏🙏🙏
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Noggings are also known as Dwangs by some.
It looks very good, our company offers remote architecture and interior consultation services for house flippers and investors.
Better still, in NZ they're called "Dwangs" 😂
And Scotland
Yeah heard that - weird that it's Scotland and NZ. What's that about??
@@GosforthHandyman they're named after Governor Barry Dwang, who moved from Dundee to Auckland in the late 17th century. He developed a torture device, which emigrating Scots used to detain local Mauri people. It consisted of two uprights, and three "Dwangs". The Mauri would be threaded between the Dwangs, and held in place with a series of bindings. The Scots would then steal their land.
I’ve been thinking about this and I reckon u could take Keith from rag n bone brown in a fight. He’s a bit wet. I reckon Charlie DIYTE would put up a good scrap and might take you. The guy from proper DIY would put a few digs in as well but I reckon due to his age you could take him
Appreciate the engagement. 😂😜
@@GosforthHandyman no problem. I’ll be honest I don’t remember writing that. I think I’d had a few too many ales 😂
Why do you even need noggins? I feel like the don't do anything.
It prevents the joist from side sagging. It doesn't seem like they would go anywhere, but they do when unsupported.
Yeah, to stop twisting and generally makes the whole structure much more solid. 💪
Noggins are Dwangs in Scotland
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Dwangs here in Scotland
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Dwang= noggin
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Dwangs
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Congratulations on your victory! Here's your participation trophy!!
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NOGGINGS not noggins, a common mistake.
Pedant, not Pedent, a common unwanted personality trait.
@@djstuc Hey, be nice to each other, Andy said so!
I'm just hoping if I use my noggin, to measure my noggings, they will end up not grim.
@@richardhasler6718 agreed, but the OP took the decision not to be nice by trying to make petty corrections.
Anyway peace from my side Richard 👍🏼
Not strictly true...