@@ariellwrf6844 I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure Bill’s Hogwarts years were 82-89, and the year before Harry and co was the 1990 school year, so Bill might have been gone
But it was not to last. Oliver Wood lost one of his five stars after a scathing review from TH-cam's top theorist Jay Carlin, and the broken-hearted keeper dropped out of Gryffindor shortly afterwards, which according to tradition, meant the loss of another star
Don't forget how in Book 2, he told Harry, "Get the Snitch or die trying," and Harry actually listens, telling Fred and George to leave him to deal with the rogue bludger. That match left him in the hospital wing with 33 bones to regrow Edit: I get it. Lockhart's dumb@ss spell got Harry's bones removed. I mean, the chain of events started by Oliver's "get the snitch or die trying" ended up with Harry breaking his arm. They could've explained the situation to the Professors and put the game on hold while they evaluated the quaffles and removed the jinx. There are ways they could've avoided this.
To be fair, that's maybe 10% Oliver being gungho regarding injuries and 90% Lockhart being jaw-droppingly incompetent whilst having an ego (ironically) the size of a star.
@crtwrght That is true, but even still, Harry did break his arm. You could argue that it was Dobby's fault, but I wouldn't say so because whether they knew Dobby cursed it or not, they still were aware of the jinx, and Wood still didn't care
In defense of Oliver: 1: Oliver wasn't guilt tripping Harry. Harry felt the guilt himself. It had nothing to do with Oliver. 2: After the Sorting Ceremony and feast, Dumbledore states that Quidditch trials will be held in the second week. In the first book, it says that McGonagall told Wood she found him "A" seeker, and with Oliver's immediate delight, it probably means no one tried out for the position, which means there were no chance of a reserve Seeker. It also sounds like a lot of positions weren't tried out for to begin with, as Spinner was a reserve the year before but became a part of the official team Harry's first year. 3: They couldn't reschedule the last game because it was end of term. Harry was still in the hospital wing and had to beg Pomfrey to let him go to the end of the year feast. 4: Okay, you have a point about Oliver's skills versus Ron's. BUT I make a point, this is the game Ron is assuming he took the Felix potion. This gave him the courage to be better than he normally would have. Is Ron the focus on every other game going forward. 5: 13:53... yeah... I got nothing for that. 6: Firebolt... Harry and Ron sided with Oliver on this. Just about the entire House besides Hermione sided with Oliver. 7: Oliver came back to help defend Hogwarts.
Yea. I think far too much time was spent on the “southern” accent rather than proper research. Weak sauce from SCB on this, scraping the bottom of the barrel.
@@falcokunzy I like their videos. But it’s sadly a common thing that they only include arguments supporting their claim and really never looking at points that would make their theory look weak
Yeah Ron really wasn’t like leagues better than Oliver when he first started out. Slytherin didn’t really help matters with the “Weasley is our King” song but I think the Griffyndor vs Hufflepuff match was a loss by only like 10 or 20 points since Ginny did a Krum and got the Snitch when the other team was ahead. Though they did make it to the finals vs Ravenclaw. I don’t have the book on hand to check what the final win-loss scoring was for each team was. In HBP Ron does a whole lot better. I think the Felix placebo helped boost his confidence for the rest of the year. Iirc the only match Gryffindor loses is the one where Cormac is subbing in for Ron and that loss is entirely Cormac’s fault.
@Bethany-fo6lt I'd agree with J that Oliver was guilt tripping Harry, but I'd also say that Harry didn't see it that way. Oliver might have been a bit single-minded, but he wasn't as bad as the video made him out to be. Though in response to your 6th point, just because people agree about something doesn't mean they're right about it. Oliver also suggested Harry buy a Nimbus 2001, but Harry was vehemently against the idea of owning the same broom Draco had. I don't remember the response to that, but I'm pretty sure no one responded with a defense of Draco or calls for Harry to buy a different broom. And really, there's something wrong with a rich orphan relying on others to spend exorbitant amounts of money buying him top of the line brooms. Just saying.
Tbh i just find his obsession with quidditch creates some really funny moments in the books. Just things like him saying "quidditch is back" after Mcgonagal said she has good news in the great hall in the chamber of secrets, makes for some good comic relief. Also him trying to get Harry's firebolt back from Mcgonagal was hilarious to me.
In defense of Wood, you don't necessarily need the best player to be a captain. Sounds like he deals with a lot of back of house bureaucracy. In High School, you typically have adults be the coaches, so the kids have someone to learn from. So you would expect each house to have an adult as a coach; even if only during practice. Seems like Hogwarts can afford it, after the offer Dumbledore gave Dobby of 10 galleons a week.
Him not being a good player isn't the problem, he's also not a good captain, and that's also not really the problem. The problem is that he's obsessed with the game, doesn't care about the well-being of his team, and can't take responsibility for a poor performance.
I guess it'd be possible to theorize that he was bad at captaining because he didn't have good example. Maybe he got the keeper position by default when previous Gryffindor left, got the captain position because no one wanted to lead the team to lose against Slytherin. Student who was seeker finished school and Harry got the position. Idea of doing auditions or have back ups didn't occur to him because maybe it wasn't something that was done. All Gryffindor who wanted to play were in the team. Part of it could also be the Gryffindor bravery gone wrong. He'd face a match one man down as honourable fight rather than re-schedule. Meanwhile Slytherins were changing team by nepotism or threats, Ravenclaws were strategizing optimal teams and Hufflepuffs made sure everyone had chance to play. Also, despite being sports nerd, bad keeper.
@@EdsonR13 Yes, no respectable captain would say or imply that they lost because they missed a player, no matter if it's true or not, because at the end of the day is a team we're talking about.
You don't necessarily need to be the best player, but you should have the best understanding of the game and the ability to coordinate your team and reserve team. Oliver was not good at that lol. His ambition outweighed everything. Similar to sports parents who live through their kids in a way? You know what I mean? Lol
Although quidditch and the english quidditch league is most certainly modeled after soccer and the premier league. If it's not confirmed they only pull from british kids, I'd assume they pull from international players because that is incredibly common in the premier league. There's also an interesting trend where international player will come to england, but very few english players leave england, so that could be what's happening. He also plays keeper, which is a super important position, so all the teams would probably already have at least 2 established keepers (main and backup) and probably a 3rd too. It makes sense that a kid fresh out of high school would end up on the practice squad.
I thought the same thing too. This isn't the 1st time they've discounted the idea of talent scouts abroad. There's a Viktor/Hermione story I read where Harry's safe with the Bulgarian team after the World Cup, and he's surprised that most of the players only see each other when they're playing for the national team.
They do pull from international players. In Deathly Hallows, when Ron tells Harry that Harry was muttering about Gregorovitch in his sleep, and Harry tells he has a feeling it has "something to do with quidditch", Ron suggests Harry is talking about a top class bulgarian chaser which the Chudley Cannons just spent a "record breaking amount of galleons to acquire".
@@Plainandsimpletruth Comparing Krum in the World cup final to Wood is problematic on many ways. Firstly, Krum is being rather universally recognised as the best seeker in the world, whereas we never get a proper knowledge of where Wood would rank as a keeper even on the national level. Secondly, we don't know how large the wizarding population is in Bulgaria. In UK it would seem to be in tens of thousands, even if there aren't that many kids being born, so it could be easy to have more players for each position. In Bulgaria on the other hand, there could be an already limited pool for players, due to smaller population, so to be honest, them taking advantage of having the best seeker of his era, is totally understandable.
@juhaetelaniemi7532 yeah, that's completely unfair, Krum is just a real prodigy. Irl comparison: Lamine Yamal turned 17 the DAY before the Euro Cup final and was one of the top 3 players of the Spanish national team. That doesn't mean that other 17 y.o. players that haven't even made their professional debut yet are bums. Because that is actually the norm, Krum/Yamal are the exception not the other way around.
In the slightest defense of his skill, between magical healing, wizards being generally more durable, and the non cardiovascular nature of quidditch, I think it's entirely possible that the turnover rate for players is just extremely low.
Agreed! In our world, most athletes retire earlier in life because of the physical strain. But think of golfing! I imagine their careers are longer. I wonder how many rather old professional quidditch players there are...not to mention they also live much longer than muggles!
@@mariaana6710 I think it's just a combination of their own magic keeping them safer (like when Harry jumped to the roof away from the bullies at school) and magical remedies that fix almost anything, resulting in lower likelihood of muggle illness and injury. As well as full recovery after, let's say, something like losing all the bones in your hand. Or falling on your head after a wronski feint. I kinda just think magic makes them more "durable" internally and externally.
Ernie's cool, at least post-Chamber. You're thinking of Zacharias Smith. I'll also add Rita Skeeter to the suggestions. How many counts of libel is she guilty of again?
@@coolnerdlll6053 But wasn't Ernie the one that tried to convince Harry not to attack him in Y2 because he was the purest pureblood and related to Helga Hufflepuff? I'm not saying he's bad, but he probably would have been sitting pretty if Voldemort took over.
@@ariellwrf6844I said "post-Chamber". During Chamber, he's kind of a tool. After that he's pretty decent. He willingly joins the DA and helps Luna and Seamus save Harry from Dementors during the Battle of Hogwarts.
Imagine if Oliver was still there when Umbridge banned Harry and the Weasley twins from quidditch. McGonagall "I don't see any reason why they should be banned from playing quidditch." Umbridge "I can do as I see--" *Oliver barges in with no fear* Oliver "Is that bow cutting off oxygen to your brain? Stand back Minerva, this classless toad is mine."
He was only focused on taking out one student. But Harry was influential enough that he gave the same lovecrux to all of the school by trying to die to save everybody by choice. So there is that
@@travishayslip9409 Harry Potter is such a weird series for me. I either disagree with or cringe at the message of the series, and yet the world building is just so good that I still love it
I would assume magic would undo head damage the way modern medicine can't. Also we don't know if he can't play professionally. We only know that after graduating he joined a practice roster. This the normal route of 95% of professional athletes in leagues with practice rosters unless they are Krum levels of prodigy
@@switchgear100 Wizards don't know much about medicine, so if the wounds were not obvious they would still have major concussions... followed by Alzheimer's.
You know, I think the only reason J decided to go with the joke of giving Oliver an American Southern accent is because he doesn't want to admit that he can't do a Scottish accent. Come on J. Prove me wrong!
@@kaylacobb3541 He could be Ulster-Scots: interesting that a wizard would let Muggles deport them to Ulster (although they could have come voluntarily when the Ulster Plantation was first established in the reign of Queen Elizabeth I, settled by Border Reivers).
I'm pretty sure it's because he's making reference to Uncle Rico from the film Napolean Dynamite, especially the "I bet I can throw this ball right over that mountain" line.
I think that you should do a video like this on Snape! The movies made him so much more noble when he’s much worse in the books. Also, I love your videos so much! I’ve been watching them for as long as I can remember! ❤❤❤
3:53 I remember when I read that, I was thinking that Griffindor by losing badly without Harry, didn't deserve to win, is not good to depend in one player, we have the example of Bulgaria losing with Krum just like prime CR7 with Portugal.
especially since Harry was the seeker so he is uninvolved with like 95% of the main game. The only thing he would allow Oliver to do is win the game before his weaker team was overwhelmed.
@@joimumu You can make an argument that Harry's love from the sport stemmed from Oliver, the one who first taught him about it. The guilt tripping *was* there. Harry's belief that everything fell on his shoulders (whether true or not) probably applied to quidditch just as much because of the way Oliver built him up.
@@davidsaville5239 His father was dead; Harry didn't learn anything from him. He inherited a skill in flying. He didn't know what quidditch was, or that he'd like the sport. Oliver taught him the game right after his 1st flying lesson.
I think Fudge already had one. Fudge's incompetence is already well-known and acknowledged. Wood is to Gryffindor quidditch as Fudge is to the Ministry of Magic. Both are incompetent leaders, bad at their jobs.
I think a similar video has been made, but Dumbledore as a hiring manager needs a review. We have: An ex-terrorist who bullies and abuses students, and only has his job because Dumbledore moonlights as a war general. A well-meaning but dangerously incompetent Care of Magical Creatures teacher, with a legitimately competent teacher of the subject stuck in reserve. A severely incompetent Divination teacher, who also only has her job for wartime strategy. A ghost who just . . . hasn’t been told he’s a ghost, and is also incompetent at his job. A caretaker who a) has no business being anywhere near children, and b) is in charge of cleaning the entire castle, while being the literal only person there incapable of vanishing a mess with the flick of a wand. Two individuals he suspects of being a dark wizard and an incompetent fraud respectively, who he actively hires and puts around children because he moonlights as a detective too. A retired auror known for violently reacting to anything unexpected, putting him around children too. And, Imma be real, I can’t exactly blame the parents who wrote about Lupin, especially when he just forgot to take his potion one night and almost killed four people. Then there’s Slughorn, who is largely a good teacher, but very much plays favorites. All I’m saying is, Dumbledore should probably let someone else handle HR.
My head canon is that Binns was an excellent teacher and wouldn’t let a little thing like death stop his dedication to his students. The issue is that eventually he experienced major burnout.
Very well put. It makes one of Umbridges speeches to the class about previous DADA teachers put into persective ...I mean she was a horrid individual who represents government overreach and who was about to use the Cruiartus curse on KIDS! - but she was not wrong about the state of the previous teachers....
Dumbledore: "I am not the right type of person for positions of power" Also dumbledore: war general, private detective, putting all the underage wizards of a generation at risk academically, physically and mentally to meet his own ends "how dare the ministry try to get involved with my school!" Mcgonagal in the corner fuming because she's been holding this school together by sheer force of will the last 10 years...
I don’t understand how blind they are about the player pool… that “1 school they recruit from” is a VERY USA mindset. Yes they recruit from Hogwarts, but European sports teams don’t usually do the whole drafts process as a big happening like the US does. Players don’t only come from Schools at all. Furthermore, almost every country outside of the US hires players from other countries at national league level. For all we know 5/7 puddlemere squad could be polish, or Dutch or whatever. For an example, look at football(EU). Real Madrid has lots non-Spanish, PSG had lots non-French and so on and so on. And I know for a fact that NBA teams hire outside the US too.
In regards to Ravenclaw vs Slytherin, it could be that the Ravenclaw Seeker caught the snitch knowing they would lose, just to make the game close and end it before they themselves had the biggest loss ever. Same way that Krum caught in in the finals of the World Cup.
You guys always bring up Oliver only being on the practice roster. Being on the practice roster for a 17 year old in any sport is the normal route to getting on a team. Sports with "practice rosters" often lack minor leagues in which teams can train their young players. Example. Hockey (NHL), NBA (Basketball) and MLB (Baseball) in North America (its more common in NA sports) all have tiered league affiliated wit the major league club. For instance an NHL team as the top tier team will have affiliated teams in the AHL. its main development league, and then even a 3rd team in the ECHL to feed players into the AHL. Below even those are junior leagues for under aged player (this would be hogwarts). 90% of players that get drafted by an major league team start their career in one of their minor league teams before making their way up. Soccer/Football in Europe which quidditch leagues are based off don't have this system of developmental leagues associated with teams. The practice roster and reserve rosters fill in this role with the team structure. Oliver being assigned to the practice squad is not at all a slight against his ability like you all keep trying to claim in videos (its been multiple at this point), but rather the natural progression of a teenage moving into adult professional leagues. Oliver is 17 when he enters the practice squad. For reference you can't even play in North American major leagues already mentioned until you are 18. Oliver as a 17 year old would be entering a league with fully developed adults. The whole point of the practice roster besides helping the main team practice is to train and get young new players experience so they can move up to the main team. The fact is we never hear more of Oliver's life so we don't know if he washed out in the practice roster or if he even was promoted to the main squad the next year or any year after that.
Hang on I’m confused. Baseball does have a minor league. And then you have college level basketball and football teams that can feed into the NBA and NFL. Dunno about hockey. But also I swear Oliver says he’s in the reserve team for Puddlemere United. I’ve listened to Jim Dale’s narration so many times.
@@Boundwithflame23his phrasing wasn't particularly clear, but he was saying that all of the sports in that particular list had some sort of minor league.
Here's an interesting theory playlist idea: what if the Golden trio + Neville had no houses in common? In my idea, Neville's the only Gryffindor (DH, taking out Nagini), Harry and Hermione are in the hat's second choice (Slytherin and Ravenclaw respectively) and (process of elimination) Ron's in Hufflepuff? How would this change anything, and if so, what?
It is coming around to that time where they do a big 7-book What If series, and I think a good one would be "What if Aunt Petunia had actually loved Harry?" Like, she still tries to suppress his magic, she and Vernon still oppose him going to Hogwarts, but now it is out of fear that what happened to Lily and James will happen to him. How does it change his relationship with Dudley? How does it affect the holiday breaks? How does it affect the story at large?
In 'Quiddtich through The Ages' it says the backup player has to be on the team for a certain period of time before the match. So oliver couldn't had used a backup player.
Two things: Oliver wasn't captain the year before Harry started Hogwarts, Charlie Weasley was. He might have been assistant, but the speech Fred & George heard before was more aspirational than from a point of actual leadership. My second point doesn't say anything better about Oliver, but there's nothing in canon to support the idea that all 13 British/Irish quidditch teams recruit locally, whether Hogwarts or homeschooled. Oliver still doesn't look good for making the practice squad, but there were probably more people available for tryouts than you think. And as for a suggestion of who deserves a scathing look-see, I'm putting a vote in for Minerva McGonagall... specifically in her role as Head of House. She's overworked as to basically be a human megaphone, and she was horrible to Neville because apparently only he had a problem remembering passwords that changed every 5 minutes (which I can't believe to be true; it's more likely that his list was the easiest for Crookshanks to nab to give to Sirius). Her decision to essentially lock him out when an escapee was still loose, when it was her idea to put that portrait up in the first place, is deplorable. She might be a good professor, and she might be active in the lives of the golden trio, but she's not what I'd consider a good Head of House.
It wasn’t her idea to put Sir Cudogen up. He was the only one who would take the job. And Neville had a hard time remembering passwords even when the Fat Lady was giving them.
@Boundwithflame23 She accepted the new portrait. Seeing as they're the only house to use them as guardians, there's nothing saying that there were no other [temporary] alternatives. I said nothing about Neville's forgetfulness other than hypothesize that others had similar problems. As an adult and member of staff, she is in the wrong for punishing a student by taking away their safety. Waiting for someone else to open the door for him when there's a man with a weapon on the lose is cruel. And she shamed him further by threatening punishment for anyone who'd have thought to assist him.
Charlie graduates several years before Harry arrives. The first three books make it clear that Gryffindor hasn't won since Charlie left, which would make no sense if he had just left.
@@coolnerdlll6053 As if there aren't inconsistencies in the books? Charlie Weasley graduates from Hogwarts the summer before Harry starts. Bill graduates in 1989.
@@ariellwrf6844 I think that might be more of an inconsistency with the expanded lore than the books, in which Bill and Charlie's ages are never said. I always try to put the books' continuity before anything else.
Wow! Great job - NIGHT AND DAY difference between Thursday and Friday’s videoes! THANK YOU! ❤ My hot take is that Oliver is a typical kid who’s ultra competitive (kind of like J is in J vs Ben videos … ironic!). Unfortunately, there are a LOT of high school kids who live only for the sport they play - to a fault. It’s their whole life and main focus. How many kids think they’re going to go pro and work their whole young life to only make the farm league? A LOT. It might not be healthy, but it’s part of our culture. I think the author was giving commentary on keeping perspective on that.
How about Cho Chang, not because of Quidditch, but more as a person and a student. She always came off a bit flighty and less than intellectual. Which seems a bit odd for a Ravenclaw. That and as far as I recall, she was at least friends with Luna's main tormentors. Maybe even doing some tormenting herself. And I will always be the first to defend the lovely Luna Lovegood.
@SuperCarlinBrothers, I would like to see your scathing review of Hagrid. It would be interesting to see if you can get us to believe Umbridge was right to sack him.
Hope this sprouts a whole new series of character reviews! Onwards and upwards, brothers! That said, there are a few factual inaccuracies here, most of which have been addressed by other commenters, let me add my two cents-- book version never dumps upon Oliver the keeper, he is an above average one. In more than one occasions, he is seen saving extremely tough goals, aided by nimbus 2001s no less (in case of Slytherin PoA). Granted he didn't hold tryouts, but even with tryouts, it's more likely than not that he would still stay the main keeper on merit. Secondly, GoF chapter 7 clearly mentioned Oliver telling Harry that "he had just been signed to the Puddlemere United reserve team" (narrator quote). NOT practice squad. It tends to mean that he was actually a reserve keeper, and if the main keeper was injured or otherwise unavailable, he did play league games (although we cannot prove it, mere speculation). Plus, it wouldn't have been half bad it were a practice squad as well. Only the years closer to Harry had a smaller size due to old Voldy's reign of terror, it would be foolish to assume it was the case for previous generations. Plus, with higher longevity and lifespan of wizarding population, a player already established can go on playing for a long time (longer than the muggle counterparts). Even with a small population, breaking into a new team, especially when you are restricted to only one seat per team owing to being a seeker or keeper, is way tougher. Oliver was a reserve, and have probably played (sporadic) games in the league, overcoming those odds stacked against him. Nothing but praise for his skills.
He's got a point. Wood actually cared more about Quidditch, when he should have cared about _his_ teammates. He is the Captain after all. Harry was the *_best_* Captain, along with Angelina. Wood would have never had allowed Ron to become Keeper, let alone the fact that he was already the Keeper, but the fact that Ron had trouble with blocking the goals, yeah, he would have been kicked off the team from day one.
My thought that the reason he’s on the practice squad is simply because no one was hiring for keeper in 1994. If no job is available even if you have the skills you wouldn’t get the job because the job doesn’t exist.
The first year Quidditch match may not have been possible to reschedule like other matches because it was so close to the end of the year. Also, if Harry was chosen as seeker in his first year maybe there really aren’t other options of people willing to play. Also, due to the war when Harry was born this doesn’t seem that crazy because the population is was likely thinned out. Meaning, the students sorted in Bill or Charlie’s year would likely outnumber the ones following it.
I keep wondering why you call it the Puddlemere “practice team”. Is that in the US version? My (UK) books call it the “reserve team”, so maybe he has some better chances of playing in the league after all. :-)
I was wondering that too, in American football, the practice squad or team is not part of the active roster. Also if you want to bring up a practice squad player you have to get rid of someone else.
they are interchangable in football I think. Either way as a 17 year old starting on the reserve/practice squad of a team is not at all abnormal unless you are some kind of Krum level prodigy. We never get an update on Woods after that one mention months after he graduated.
@@sestoelemento2013 yup, but it is also were young players not ready for the big leagues can gain experience. It is the normal progression for non prodigy players to take in leagues without minor leagues affiliations
Snape deserves a scathing review. Too many people seem to think "love" excuses a) bullying/gaslighting children b) obsessive stalkerish psycopathy c) approving the carrols to teach DADA. The hero worship must end. Then nevil, then Dumbledore, then dobby.
I'd give him a pass on the Carrows. That was probably a Voldemort thing he had no choice in. The real problem is that he did more to help Voldemort than anyone could have just by being a terrible teacher. Either because he was horrible or because he only accepted Os, most students stopped taking potions after OWLs. Both healers & aurors needed a NEWT in the subject. I've actually like Severus (as a character in fanfiction where he makes different choices), but that revelation *hurt* when I realized it. Even if Dumbledore forced him into the position, he chose to take it out on the students. He set their society up for failure when Voldemort would come back, something he knew would happen if not for his mark then by Dumbledore's insistence.
I'd prefer an unbised one on Snape He was a lausey/terrible teacher people sort of never take ito consideration his whole backstory, that is only ever shwon in short flashes in the occlumency lessons (what we learn from his bullies - aka Remus and Sirius talking about "Snivvelus" even as grown ups). Not saying child Severus was a little ray of sunshine and innnocent, still, I think there are other things that should be accounted XD Heck, people keep sympathizing with Malfoy XD Not a fan of the "love" thingy either, I think it's bordering on obsessin, which is unhealthy However I think Dumbledore is a LOT to blame for that one - it always seems like he is remembering Snpae that he must defend/protect Harry I do not see Snape as a "hero" I just think he gets a lot of dislike for things others do as well - and do not get blamed for it (Sirius is the one I'd love to have a review on!)
@@darajeeling Sirius was the ultimate whiny boy that never had to grow up. He was stuck with all of his worst thoughts around dementors before his brain was even fully developed. Fanfiction writers give him passes even the author hadn't, but even then... escaping one prison to live in a cave, then to sit stuck in the house that fueled his character... there's no way he'd be anywhere close to sane. I see him like James: neither was a good character that had redemption, but the character whose perspective we read put them on a pedestal anyway. And he didn't exactly have the chance to make something better of himself. Like you mentioned with Severus, Albus played his part.
I still maintain that the English quidditch league, much like the Premier League (and other European football leagues) have a lot of international players.
Indeed! I was just coming to comment the same. On an adjacent note though, I know we’ve been told of, like, 11(?) magical schools around the world, but that’s obviously not enough for the wizarding world as we’ve been shown. I’m sure there’s some nearby commuting (such as how the whole of the UK goes to Hogwarts) with Belgians or the like going to Beauxbatons, for example, but there are plenty of areas that have no major schools to speak of. For that reason, I like to think that the schools we’ve been told about are just the BIG ones. Where do Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, German, or Greek wizards go? Maybe to smaller schools, more like a typical high school and less like a lavish boarding school. Education has to be coming from somewhere, and, for our purposes now, so do professional quidditch players. Whatever the case, I’m probably going off like an idiot because I’m severely lacking sleep and can’t put my phone down to close my eyes. 😂
Hey i have thought about your theory about harry and co being compared to the marauders. Do you think that because luna and ginny like lily and snape were freinds growing up. You know they live wery close to each other, plus they might be the only wizard girls in their area. I just like the idea of ginny taking lilys place as she hears all about lunas theories in the same way as snape telling lily all about the wizarding world lov the vid and podcast
Jay that moostache of yours seems to get more magnificent every time I see it. But on a more serious note, I love the idea of talking about specific characters hope we see more of these in the future.
Oh how I wish I could include a picture in my comments, had to pause the video for a second and the pause captured J's true essence in this video. 😂 4:44
From the moment I heard about through the griffin door i knew it would be an amazing thing, i just never could have imagined how big of an impact it would have on the main SCB channel. And by impact i mean it truly changed this channel for the better. SCB was already amazing but since through the griffin door came out this channel has had a huge influx of amazing HP videos. You guys are truly becoming HP experts and your videos show it. Anyone else agree?
I don't think y'all have done this one but fun mini theory: How to y'all think Hogwarts students would travel if they had to go to another school for the Triward Tournament? Personally, I think the preettty obvious answer is the Hogwarts Express, but it'd be fun to think about some other possibilities, or how using the Hogwarts Express for such travel would actually work.
I've been thinking about it since you mentioned it in Through the Griffin Door: I think there is a community of home school wizards in Britain. They may not be "Hogwarts Material" in that perhaps they're only able to fly on a broom and make a potion or two, or maybe their family thinks Hogwarts is too fancy for them. Regardless, just based on the number of background characters, it seems to me that there must be members of the greater magical community that aren't students at Hogwarts. At least, thats been my head cannon.
It's confirmed in the 7th book that homeschooling was a thing. Remus talks about it after Voldemort requires everyone to go to Hogwarts. (From the wiki) "Of course, nearly every witch and wizard in Britian has been educated at Hogwarts, but their parents had the right to teach them at home or send them abroad if they preferred." My head canon is that the people in Diagon Alley represent a merchant class that doesn't want to waste the money on a school that wouldn't help them with their family trade.
I am not going to mention that lip caterpillar....nope,, no way...but I will say I now love to LISTEN to your podcasts. Also also, great job on analyzing Wood's ability. Never thought about it before, but you nailed it. Now, about that mustache...mrphfl...muflapfft...
do you think that pro players play a lot older than athletes in muggle sports? Because as we have seen wizards tend to live much longer than muggles, and we know that they have much better care for their injuries which could keep them in the game much longer? I think that this would go some way to explain the disparity between recruiting pool and league size. just a fun thought, love your videos!
weird thing is the player they were missing was the seeker. A player that normally is not involved in play. Which tells me they were going to get demolished in that game either way unless the time Beaters are focus on a seeker is super important to the overall game (which it probably isn't as Harry only ever gets targeted for revenge or because he is going for the snitch and is ignored the rest of the time). It seems Oliver's strategy for the game was "Harry gets the snitch before the better team out scores us" (which is how they won many games in the first couple of years, but then they were also a team of 5th and under year players against teams that were likely 5th and higher year players)
We need an "in defence of Percy". He was able to stand up against his whole family for what he believed (even if he was not correct). From what we see, his parents were all in, in an anti-government cult, led by an old charismatic and pretty manipulative teacher. He didn't choose the poor-but-honest esthetics, his parents forced upon all of their children. They didn't have to be poor - especially after Ginny went to school and his mother could have taken up a part time job. It was his parents choice to live like that and he had to battle that image when he took up his career. Assistant to the most important political figure of the country? After just graduating?! That's a huge success! Where are his congratulations? And all that after years of being bullied by his twin brothers. They tried to get him down, laughed out all his achievements. He stood up against a toxic crab mentality and to a bar set very high by his older brothers. And after it turned out that against all odds his parent's cult leader was right, he had the bravery to admit it and fight to the death side by side with them! Working hard and very talented, brave and determined. That's what Percy Wesley was and should be acknowledged.
I like to believe that Oliver was NOT the captain in the year before Harry's arrival but still insisted on giving a speech before every match.
Headcanon accepted
@@qs2668 seeing that Charlie was still at Hogwarts that year, that's definitely how I see it as well.
@@ariellwrf6844 I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure Bill’s Hogwarts years were 82-89, and the year before Harry and co was the 1990 school year, so Bill might have been gone
@@danielallen4450 You're right about Bill. Charlie was a 7th year in the 90/1 school year. Harry was a 1st year in the 91/2 school year.
@@ariellwrf6844 You’re right. I had an idiot moment and forgot that Charlie was the Seeker, not Bill.
"They can't cancel quidditch!"
"Silence, Wood." 😆
Crazy how no one pipes up when they cancel the entire season for the tri wizzy
Haha
But it was not to last. Oliver Wood lost one of his five stars after a scathing review from TH-cam's top theorist Jay Carlin, and the broken-hearted keeper dropped out of Gryffindor shortly afterwards, which according to tradition, meant the loss of another star
It's J not Jay!
@@helios9025
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The I stands for Jonathan
"I love the smell of Ratatouille in the morning"
Does that mean we're gonna see Ron playing Keeper with a suspiciously rat-shaped silouette under his helmet?
Don't forget how in Book 2, he told Harry, "Get the Snitch or die trying," and Harry actually listens, telling Fred and George to leave him to deal with the rogue bludger. That match left him in the hospital wing with 33 bones to regrow
Edit: I get it. Lockhart's dumb@ss spell got Harry's bones removed. I mean, the chain of events started by Oliver's "get the snitch or die trying" ended up with Harry breaking his arm. They could've explained the situation to the Professors and put the game on hold while they evaluated the quaffles and removed the jinx. There are ways they could've avoided this.
To be fair, that's maybe 10% Oliver being gungho regarding injuries and 90% Lockhart being jaw-droppingly incompetent whilst having an ego (ironically) the size of a star.
@crtwrght That is true, but even still, Harry did break his arm. You could argue that it was Dobby's fault, but I wouldn't say so because whether they knew Dobby cursed it or not, they still were aware of the jinx, and Wood still didn't care
@@Ollie.H-23 No question on that. Maybe 10% was generous to Wood, the kid was clearly unhinged when it came to Quidditch.
The bone regrowing part wasn't Wood's fault, though.
If Lockheart wouldn't have been a dumb@ss Harry would have had significantly less to heal.
@@ofox716Madam Pomfrey straight up stated she could mend bones in a minute.
In defense of Oliver:
1: Oliver wasn't guilt tripping Harry. Harry felt the guilt himself. It had nothing to do with Oliver.
2: After the Sorting Ceremony and feast, Dumbledore states that Quidditch trials will be held in the second week. In the first book, it says that McGonagall told Wood she found him "A" seeker, and with Oliver's immediate delight, it probably means no one tried out for the position, which means there were no chance of a reserve Seeker. It also sounds like a lot of positions weren't tried out for to begin with, as Spinner was a reserve the year before but became a part of the official team Harry's first year.
3: They couldn't reschedule the last game because it was end of term. Harry was still in the hospital wing and had to beg Pomfrey to let him go to the end of the year feast.
4: Okay, you have a point about Oliver's skills versus Ron's. BUT I make a point, this is the game Ron is assuming he took the Felix potion. This gave him the courage to be better than he normally would have. Is Ron the focus on every other game going forward.
5: 13:53... yeah... I got nothing for that.
6: Firebolt... Harry and Ron sided with Oliver on this. Just about the entire House besides Hermione sided with Oliver.
7: Oliver came back to help defend Hogwarts.
Yea. I think far too much time was spent on the “southern” accent rather than proper research. Weak sauce from SCB on this, scraping the bottom of the barrel.
@@falcokunzy I like their videos. But it’s sadly a common thing that they only include arguments supporting their claim and really never looking at points that would make their theory look weak
Yeah Ron really wasn’t like leagues better than Oliver when he first started out. Slytherin didn’t really help matters with the “Weasley is our King” song but I think the Griffyndor vs Hufflepuff match was a loss by only like 10 or 20 points since Ginny did a Krum and got the Snitch when the other team was ahead. Though they did make it to the finals vs Ravenclaw. I don’t have the book on hand to check what the final win-loss scoring was for each team was.
In HBP Ron does a whole lot better. I think the Felix placebo helped boost his confidence for the rest of the year. Iirc the only match Gryffindor loses is the one where Cormac is subbing in for Ron and that loss is entirely Cormac’s fault.
@Bethany-fo6lt I'd agree with J that Oliver was guilt tripping Harry, but I'd also say that Harry didn't see it that way. Oliver might have been a bit single-minded, but he wasn't as bad as the video made him out to be.
Though in response to your 6th point, just because people agree about something doesn't mean they're right about it. Oliver also suggested Harry buy a Nimbus 2001, but Harry was vehemently against the idea of owning the same broom Draco had. I don't remember the response to that, but I'm pretty sure no one responded with a defense of Draco or calls for Harry to buy a different broom. And really, there's something wrong with a rich orphan relying on others to spend exorbitant amounts of money buying him top of the line brooms. Just saying.
also for that Ron vs Oliver skills: perhaps Slytherin's chasers were better during Oliver's time
Oliver: "Due to circumstances out of our control..."
J: "How DARE you guilt trip Harry!"
Me: o.o
Yes, I noticed that, too. Harry's putting the guilt on himself, Wood's not putting it there.
Right? I felt that was a little harsh. "Due to circumstances beyond our control..." is a pretty common and natural thing to say.
@@Bethany-fo6lt depends, if you say that but are clearly looking at a specific person...
@@kaiseremotion854 It never says Wood looked directly at him. It says he glowered "at them all."
@@Bethany-fo6lt I'm saying in general
Tbh i just find his obsession with quidditch creates some really funny moments in the books. Just things like him saying "quidditch is back" after Mcgonagal said she has good news in the great hall in the chamber of secrets, makes for some good comic relief. Also him trying to get Harry's firebolt back from Mcgonagal was hilarious to me.
In defense of Wood, you don't necessarily need the best player to be a captain. Sounds like he deals with a lot of back of house bureaucracy.
In High School, you typically have adults be the coaches, so the kids have someone to learn from. So you would expect each house to have an adult as a coach; even if only during practice. Seems like Hogwarts can afford it, after the offer Dumbledore gave Dobby of 10 galleons a week.
Him not being a good player isn't the problem, he's also not a good captain, and that's also not really the problem. The problem is that he's obsessed with the game, doesn't care about the well-being of his team, and can't take responsibility for a poor performance.
I guess it'd be possible to theorize that he was bad at captaining because he didn't have good example. Maybe he got the keeper position by default when previous Gryffindor left, got the captain position because no one wanted to lead the team to lose against Slytherin. Student who was seeker finished school and Harry got the position. Idea of doing auditions or have back ups didn't occur to him because maybe it wasn't something that was done. All Gryffindor who wanted to play were in the team.
Part of it could also be the Gryffindor bravery gone wrong. He'd face a match one man down as honourable fight rather than re-schedule. Meanwhile Slytherins were changing team by nepotism or threats, Ravenclaws were strategizing optimal teams and Hufflepuffs made sure everyone had chance to play.
Also, despite being sports nerd, bad keeper.
@@EdsonR13 Yes, no respectable captain would say or imply that they lost because they missed a player, no matter if it's true or not, because at the end of the day is a team we're talking about.
@@EdsonR13 he was also like 15/16 years old and thinks like a teenager.
You don't necessarily need to be the best player, but you should have the best understanding of the game and the ability to coordinate your team and reserve team. Oliver was not good at that lol. His ambition outweighed everything. Similar to sports parents who live through their kids in a way? You know what I mean? Lol
Although quidditch and the english quidditch league is most certainly modeled after soccer and the premier league. If it's not confirmed they only pull from british kids, I'd assume they pull from international players because that is incredibly common in the premier league. There's also an interesting trend where international player will come to england, but very few english players leave england, so that could be what's happening. He also plays keeper, which is a super important position, so all the teams would probably already have at least 2 established keepers (main and backup) and probably a 3rd too. It makes sense that a kid fresh out of high school would end up on the practice squad.
I thought the same thing too. This isn't the 1st time they've discounted the idea of talent scouts abroad. There's a Viktor/Hermione story I read where Harry's safe with the Bulgarian team after the World Cup, and he's surprised that most of the players only see each other when they're playing for the national team.
They do pull from international players. In Deathly Hallows, when Ron tells Harry that Harry was muttering about Gregorovitch in his sleep, and Harry tells he has a feeling it has "something to do with quidditch", Ron suggests Harry is talking about a top class bulgarian chaser which the Chudley Cannons just spent a "record breaking amount of galleons to acquire".
@@Plainandsimpletruth Comparing Krum in the World cup final to Wood is problematic on many ways. Firstly, Krum is being rather universally recognised as the best seeker in the world, whereas we never get a proper knowledge of where Wood would rank as a keeper even on the national level. Secondly, we don't know how large the wizarding population is in Bulgaria. In UK it would seem to be in tens of thousands, even if there aren't that many kids being born, so it could be easy to have more players for each position. In Bulgaria on the other hand, there could be an already limited pool for players, due to smaller population, so to be honest, them taking advantage of having the best seeker of his era, is totally understandable.
@juhaetelaniemi7532 yeah, that's completely unfair, Krum is just a real prodigy. Irl comparison: Lamine Yamal turned 17 the DAY before the Euro Cup final and was one of the top 3 players of the Spanish national team. That doesn't mean that other 17 y.o. players that haven't even made their professional debut yet are bums. Because that is actually the norm, Krum/Yamal are the exception not the other way around.
In the slightest defense of his skill, between magical healing, wizards being generally more durable, and the non cardiovascular nature of quidditch, I think it's entirely possible that the turnover rate for players is just extremely low.
Agreed! In our world, most athletes retire earlier in life because of the physical strain. But think of golfing! I imagine their careers are longer. I wonder how many rather old professional quidditch players there are...not to mention they also live much longer than muggles!
They might become a bit dumb over time though.. with all the bludger hits on the head
When do the canon say that Wizard are more durable? I didn't know that!
Maybe I missed it but wouldn't they recruit from around the world as well? Why only Hogwarts?
@@mariaana6710 I think it's just a combination of their own magic keeping them safer (like when Harry jumped to the roof away from the bullies at school) and magical remedies that fix almost anything, resulting in lower likelihood of muggle illness and injury. As well as full recovery after, let's say, something like losing all the bones in your hand. Or falling on your head after a wronski feint. I kinda just think magic makes them more "durable" internally and externally.
PLEASE MAKE THIS A SERIES.
Need a scathing review of like Ernie MacMillan or Fletcher or something
Oh yeah! That'll be interesting. On nonmain characters
I just commented about McGonagall, but Ernie & Zacharias would be good too!
Ernie's cool, at least post-Chamber. You're thinking of Zacharias Smith. I'll also add Rita Skeeter to the suggestions. How many counts of libel is she guilty of again?
@@coolnerdlll6053 But wasn't Ernie the one that tried to convince Harry not to attack him in Y2 because he was the purest pureblood and related to Helga Hufflepuff? I'm not saying he's bad, but he probably would have been sitting pretty if Voldemort took over.
@@ariellwrf6844I said "post-Chamber". During Chamber, he's kind of a tool. After that he's pretty decent. He willingly joins the DA and helps Luna and Seamus save Harry from Dementors during the Battle of Hogwarts.
Imagine if Oliver was still there when Umbridge banned Harry and the Weasley twins from quidditch.
McGonagall "I don't see any reason why they should be banned from playing quidditch."
Umbridge "I can do as I see--"
*Oliver barges in with no fear*
Oliver "Is that bow cutting off oxygen to your brain? Stand back Minerva, this classless toad is mine."
Voldemort needs a review because he couldn’t defeat a high school
At least he cared about Harry's education.
@@LeoChaseTheMythMasterfair, he sent in Harry’s second best dada teacher.
It's not his fault plot armour exists
He was only focused on taking out one student. But Harry was influential enough that he gave the same lovecrux to all of the school by trying to die to save everybody by choice. So there is that
@@travishayslip9409 Harry Potter is such a weird series for me. I either disagree with or cringe at the message of the series, and yet the world building is just so good that I still love it
I like to think Oliver wasn't the captain when Fred and George joined the team, he just gave passionate speaches to them anyway
I've always assumed he COULDN'T play professionally due to too many head injuries lol
I would assume magic would undo head damage the way modern medicine can't. Also we don't know if he can't play professionally. We only know that after graduating he joined a practice roster. This the normal route of 95% of professional athletes in leagues with practice rosters unless they are Krum levels of prodigy
Ok
“… took one too many bludgers to the head” 😂
@@switchgear100 Wizards don't know much about medicine, so if the wounds were not obvious they would still have major concussions... followed by Alzheimer's.
When I was a little kid and my dad was reading the first book to me, I thought Wood was an enchanted plank of wood
I think we all did lol
I was disappointed wood wasn't really wood: I wondered what McGonagall was going to do with the wood (I didn't think she was going to beat him).
Wood was not infact a stick but a boy, A burly fifth year- Harry Potter and The Philosophers Stone, this is not an extract quote but still
@@PetalsIris I meant in the movie version.
10:03 so you think the league can only take people from Hogwarts?!? Like “muggle” professional leagues…take people all over the world. 🤷🏻♂️
Tonight, on Behind the Broomstick
You know, I think the only reason J decided to go with the joke of giving Oliver an American Southern accent is because he doesn't want to admit that he can't do a Scottish accent. Come on J. Prove me wrong!
They also called Wood’s movie accent Irish a few weeks ago, so I don’t think J really knows what a Scottish accent is 😂
All he had to do was imitate him.
@@kaylacobb3541 He could be Ulster-Scots: interesting that a wizard would let Muggles deport them to Ulster (although they could have come voluntarily when the Ulster Plantation was first established in the reign of Queen Elizabeth I, settled by Border Reivers).
I'm pretty sure it's because he's making reference to Uncle Rico from the film Napolean Dynamite, especially the "I bet I can throw this ball right over that mountain" line.
This is the kind if hard hitting journalism I watch this channel for.
I think that you should do a video like this on Snape! The movies made him so much more noble when he’s much worse in the books. Also, I love your videos so much! I’ve been watching them for as long as I can remember! ❤❤❤
I mean Quiditch is supposed to be brutal. Wizards dont tend to see danger the same as muggles. He came back for the battle which shows his character.
Please Review Snape next. I can’t stand it that all he’s done is forgotten as soon as he said ‚always‘…
Scathing review of James, Crookshanks, Flitwick, Griphook, Arthur... this could become a really fun series.
3:53 I remember when I read that, I was thinking that Griffindor by losing badly without Harry, didn't deserve to win, is not good to depend in one player, we have the example of Bulgaria losing with Krum just like prime CR7 with Portugal.
especially since Harry was the seeker so he is uninvolved with like 95% of the main game. The only thing he would allow Oliver to do is win the game before his weaker team was overwhelmed.
This was my idea too.
I love Oliver! How dare you disparage him, #JusticeForOliver 😂
Harry was just as crazy about Quidditch as Oliver was, Harry played risky because he wanted to
@@joimumu You can make an argument that Harry's love from the sport stemmed from Oliver, the one who first taught him about it. The guilt tripping *was* there. Harry's belief that everything fell on his shoulders (whether true or not) probably applied to quidditch just as much because of the way Oliver built him up.
@@ariellwrf6844Harry Potter was a natural Quidditch player as he inherited his flying skills from his dad!!
@@davidsaville5239 His father was dead; Harry didn't learn anything from him. He inherited a skill in flying. He didn't know what quidditch was, or that he'd like the sport. Oliver taught him the game right after his 1st flying lesson.
That hair, that stache and that jacket are all on point. 💯
All that needs to be said is Biggerstaff really got Wood
That he did when he went on to be in the movie Cashback in 2006.
Back in the stone age of Usenet, there was a guy named Brian Woodcock whose .sig on his messages was, "Yes, splinterlips, that *is* my real name!"
I will not accept any Oliver slander lol
Ludo Bagman, Former Minister of Magic Cornelius Fudge, or Rita Skeeter DEFINITELY need scathing reviews.
I think Fudge already had one. Fudge's incompetence is already well-known and acknowledged. Wood is to Gryffindor quidditch as Fudge is to the Ministry of Magic. Both are incompetent leaders, bad at their jobs.
The “Ron 😒 tell him” has me DEAD 💀 😂😂😂
I think a similar video has been made, but Dumbledore as a hiring manager needs a review. We have:
An ex-terrorist who bullies and abuses students, and only has his job because Dumbledore moonlights as a war general.
A well-meaning but dangerously incompetent Care of Magical Creatures teacher, with a legitimately competent teacher of the subject stuck in reserve.
A severely incompetent Divination teacher, who also only has her job for wartime strategy.
A ghost who just . . . hasn’t been told he’s a ghost, and is also incompetent at his job.
A caretaker who a) has no business being anywhere near children, and b) is in charge of cleaning the entire castle, while being the literal only person there incapable of vanishing a mess with the flick of a wand.
Two individuals he suspects of being a dark wizard and an incompetent fraud respectively, who he actively hires and puts around children because he moonlights as a detective too.
A retired auror known for violently reacting to anything unexpected, putting him around children too.
And, Imma be real, I can’t exactly blame the parents who wrote about Lupin, especially when he just forgot to take his potion one night and almost killed four people.
Then there’s Slughorn, who is largely a good teacher, but very much plays favorites.
All I’m saying is, Dumbledore should probably let someone else handle HR.
My head canon is that Binns was an excellent teacher and wouldn’t let a little thing like death stop his dedication to his students. The issue is that eventually he experienced major burnout.
Snape also played favourites , Draco Malfoy, and he terrorised students like Neville, Harry, and Hermione !!
@@davidsaville5239 hence the “bullies and abuses” part.
Very well put.
It makes one of Umbridges speeches to the class about previous DADA teachers put into persective ...I mean she was a horrid individual who represents government overreach and who was about to use the Cruiartus curse on KIDS! - but she was not wrong about the state of the previous teachers....
Dumbledore: "I am not the right type of person for positions of power"
Also dumbledore: war general, private detective, putting all the underage wizards of a generation at risk academically, physically and mentally to meet his own ends "how dare the ministry try to get involved with my school!"
Mcgonagal in the corner fuming because she's been holding this school together by sheer force of will the last 10 years...
I don’t understand how blind they are about the player pool… that “1 school they recruit from” is a VERY USA mindset.
Yes they recruit from Hogwarts, but European sports teams don’t usually do the whole drafts process as a big happening like the US does. Players don’t only come from Schools at all.
Furthermore, almost every country outside of the US hires players from other countries at national league level. For all we know 5/7 puddlemere squad could be polish, or Dutch or whatever.
For an example, look at football(EU). Real Madrid has lots non-Spanish, PSG had lots non-French and so on and so on.
And I know for a fact that NBA teams hire outside the US too.
In regards to Ravenclaw vs Slytherin, it could be that the Ravenclaw Seeker caught the snitch knowing they would lose, just to make the game close and end it before they themselves had the biggest loss ever. Same way that Krum caught in in the finals of the World Cup.
A scathing review of Woody or Mike Wazowski could be fun
I love how Through the Griffin Door continues to give us more and more discussion topics 🥰🥰🥰
"HE BLEEDS LIONS" 🦁🦁🦁🦁
Yooo pls give us a Hagrid Scathing review I’ll die on this hill
I'm loving seeing Through the Griffin Door ideas being made into videos on the main channel.
You guys always bring up Oliver only being on the practice roster. Being on the practice roster for a 17 year old in any sport is the normal route to getting on a team. Sports with "practice rosters" often lack minor leagues in which teams can train their young players. Example. Hockey (NHL), NBA (Basketball) and MLB (Baseball) in North America (its more common in NA sports) all have tiered league affiliated wit the major league club. For instance an NHL team as the top tier team will have affiliated teams in the AHL. its main development league, and then even a 3rd team in the ECHL to feed players into the AHL. Below even those are junior leagues for under aged player (this would be hogwarts). 90% of players that get drafted by an major league team start their career in one of their minor league teams before making their way up.
Soccer/Football in Europe which quidditch leagues are based off don't have this system of developmental leagues associated with teams. The practice roster and reserve rosters fill in this role with the team structure. Oliver being assigned to the practice squad is not at all a slight against his ability like you all keep trying to claim in videos (its been multiple at this point), but rather the natural progression of a teenage moving into adult professional leagues. Oliver is 17 when he enters the practice squad. For reference you can't even play in North American major leagues already mentioned until you are 18. Oliver as a 17 year old would be entering a league with fully developed adults. The whole point of the practice roster besides helping the main team practice is to train and get young new players experience so they can move up to the main team.
The fact is we never hear more of Oliver's life so we don't know if he washed out in the practice roster or if he even was promoted to the main squad the next year or any year after that.
Hang on I’m confused. Baseball does have a minor league. And then you have college level basketball and football teams that can feed into the NBA and NFL. Dunno about hockey.
But also I swear Oliver says he’s in the reserve team for Puddlemere United. I’ve listened to Jim Dale’s narration so many times.
@@Boundwithflame23his phrasing wasn't particularly clear, but he was saying that all of the sports in that particular list had some sort of minor league.
Here's an interesting theory playlist idea: what if the Golden trio + Neville had no houses in common?
In my idea, Neville's the only Gryffindor (DH, taking out Nagini), Harry and Hermione are in the hat's second choice (Slytherin and Ravenclaw respectively) and (process of elimination) Ron's in Hufflepuff? How would this change anything, and if so, what?
Kinda good
Technically they did what if Harry were in Slytherin, and it turns out, he's still ends up being friends with everyone, including Malfoy
@@eragon400 I was partly thinking "if Ron and Hermione weren't in Gryffindor either, how would that change anything?"
It is coming around to that time where they do a big 7-book What If series, and I think a good one would be "What if Aunt Petunia had actually loved Harry?" Like, she still tries to suppress his magic, she and Vernon still oppose him going to Hogwarts, but now it is out of fear that what happened to Lily and James will happen to him. How does it change his relationship with Dudley? How does it affect the holiday breaks? How does it affect the story at large?
My theory is that the hat saw the Voldemort soul in Harry and thats why he was in Slytherin. Harry is practically the definition of Gryffindor.
In 'Quiddtich through The Ages' it says the backup player has to be on the team for a certain period of time before the match. So oliver couldn't had used a backup player.
Two things: Oliver wasn't captain the year before Harry started Hogwarts, Charlie Weasley was. He might have been assistant, but the speech Fred & George heard before was more aspirational than from a point of actual leadership.
My second point doesn't say anything better about Oliver, but there's nothing in canon to support the idea that all 13 British/Irish quidditch teams recruit locally, whether Hogwarts or homeschooled. Oliver still doesn't look good for making the practice squad, but there were probably more people available for tryouts than you think.
And as for a suggestion of who deserves a scathing look-see, I'm putting a vote in for Minerva McGonagall... specifically in her role as Head of House. She's overworked as to basically be a human megaphone, and she was horrible to Neville because apparently only he had a problem remembering passwords that changed every 5 minutes (which I can't believe to be true; it's more likely that his list was the easiest for Crookshanks to nab to give to Sirius). Her decision to essentially lock him out when an escapee was still loose, when it was her idea to put that portrait up in the first place, is deplorable. She might be a good professor, and she might be active in the lives of the golden trio, but she's not what I'd consider a good Head of House.
It wasn’t her idea to put Sir Cudogen up. He was the only one who would take the job.
And Neville had a hard time remembering passwords even when the Fat Lady was giving them.
@Boundwithflame23 She accepted the new portrait. Seeing as they're the only house to use them as guardians, there's nothing saying that there were no other [temporary] alternatives.
I said nothing about Neville's forgetfulness other than hypothesize that others had similar problems. As an adult and member of staff, she is in the wrong for punishing a student by taking away their safety. Waiting for someone else to open the door for him when there's a man with a weapon on the lose is cruel. And she shamed him further by threatening punishment for anyone who'd have thought to assist him.
Charlie graduates several years before Harry arrives. The first three books make it clear that Gryffindor hasn't won since Charlie left, which would make no sense if he had just left.
@@coolnerdlll6053 As if there aren't inconsistencies in the books? Charlie Weasley graduates from Hogwarts the summer before Harry starts. Bill graduates in 1989.
@@ariellwrf6844 I think that might be more of an inconsistency with the expanded lore than the books, in which Bill and Charlie's ages are never said. I always try to put the books' continuity before anything else.
Wow! Great job - NIGHT AND DAY difference between Thursday and Friday’s videoes! THANK YOU! ❤
My hot take is that Oliver is a typical kid who’s ultra competitive (kind of like J is in J vs Ben videos … ironic!). Unfortunately, there are a LOT of high school kids who live only for the sport they play - to a fault. It’s their whole life and main focus. How many kids think they’re going to go pro and work their whole young life to only make the farm league? A LOT. It might not be healthy, but it’s part of our culture. I think the author was giving commentary on keeping perspective on that.
How about Cho Chang, not because of Quidditch, but more as a person and a student.
She always came off a bit flighty and less than intellectual. Which seems a bit odd for a Ravenclaw. That and as far as I recall, she was at least friends with Luna's main tormentors. Maybe even doing some tormenting herself.
And I will always be the first to defend the lovely Luna Lovegood.
You should definitely add a mustache to J in the intro at 1:58
I mean technically the crowd is chanting Weasley so that would apply to Ginny too (but yes obvs most of the attention is on Ron)
"Weasley is our king, he never lets the Quaffle in!"
@SuperCarlinBrothers, I would like to see your scathing review of Hagrid. It would be interesting to see if you can get us to believe Umbridge was right to sack him.
Hope this sprouts a whole new series of character reviews! Onwards and upwards, brothers!
That said, there are a few factual inaccuracies here, most of which have been addressed by other commenters, let me add my two cents-- book version never dumps upon Oliver the keeper, he is an above average one. In more than one occasions, he is seen saving extremely tough goals, aided by nimbus 2001s no less (in case of Slytherin PoA). Granted he didn't hold tryouts, but even with tryouts, it's more likely than not that he would still stay the main keeper on merit.
Secondly, GoF chapter 7 clearly mentioned Oliver telling Harry that "he had just been signed to the Puddlemere United reserve team" (narrator quote). NOT practice squad. It tends to mean that he was actually a reserve keeper, and if the main keeper was injured or otherwise unavailable, he did play league games (although we cannot prove it, mere speculation).
Plus, it wouldn't have been half bad it were a practice squad as well. Only the years closer to Harry had a smaller size due to old Voldy's reign of terror, it would be foolish to assume it was the case for previous generations. Plus, with higher longevity and lifespan of wizarding population, a player already established can go on playing for a long time (longer than the muggle counterparts). Even with a small population, breaking into a new team, especially when you are restricted to only one seat per team owing to being a seeker or keeper, is way tougher.
Oliver was a reserve, and have probably played (sporadic) games in the league, overcoming those odds stacked against him. Nothing but praise for his skills.
He's got a point. Wood actually cared more about Quidditch, when he should have cared about _his_ teammates. He is the Captain after all. Harry was the *_best_* Captain, along with Angelina. Wood would have never had allowed Ron to become Keeper, let alone the fact that he was already the Keeper, but the fact that Ron had trouble with blocking the goals, yeah, he would have been kicked off the team from day one.
My thought that the reason he’s on the practice squad is simply because no one was hiring for keeper in 1994. If no job is available even if you have the skills you wouldn’t get the job because the job doesn’t exist.
The first year Quidditch match may not have been possible to reschedule like other matches because it was so close to the end of the year. Also, if Harry was chosen as seeker in his first year maybe there really aren’t other options of people willing to play.
Also, due to the war when Harry was born this doesn’t seem that crazy because the population is was likely thinned out. Meaning, the students sorted in Bill or Charlie’s year would likely outnumber the ones following it.
I keep wondering why you call it the Puddlemere “practice team”. Is that in the US version? My (UK) books call it the “reserve team”, so maybe he has some better chances of playing in the league after all. :-)
I was wondering that too, in American football, the practice squad or team is not part of the active roster. Also if you want to bring up a practice squad player you have to get rid of someone else.
they are interchangable in football I think. Either way as a 17 year old starting on the reserve/practice squad of a team is not at all abnormal unless you are some kind of Krum level prodigy. We never get an update on Woods after that one mention months after he graduated.
@@sestoelemento2013 yup, but it is also were young players not ready for the big leagues can gain experience. It is the normal progression for non prodigy players to take in leagues without minor leagues affiliations
It might just be a US because mine does say he made the practice squad.
SuperCarlinBrothers, nice content my guy
Been waiting for this video. Live the podcast great to deep dive these random realizations. You guys are great
Your moustache needs a scathing review.
You are the best Harry Potter youtubers🎉❤
Snape deserves a scathing review.
Too many people seem to think "love" excuses a) bullying/gaslighting children b) obsessive stalkerish psycopathy c) approving the carrols to teach DADA.
The hero worship must end.
Then nevil, then Dumbledore, then dobby.
I'd give him a pass on the Carrows. That was probably a Voldemort thing he had no choice in.
The real problem is that he did more to help Voldemort than anyone could have just by being a terrible teacher. Either because he was horrible or because he only accepted Os, most students stopped taking potions after OWLs. Both healers & aurors needed a NEWT in the subject.
I've actually like Severus (as a character in fanfiction where he makes different choices), but that revelation *hurt* when I realized it. Even if Dumbledore forced him into the position, he chose to take it out on the students. He set their society up for failure when Voldemort would come back, something he knew would happen if not for his mark then by Dumbledore's insistence.
I'd prefer an unbised one on Snape
He was a lausey/terrible teacher
people sort of never take ito consideration his whole backstory, that is only ever shwon in short flashes in the occlumency lessons
(what we learn from his bullies - aka Remus and Sirius talking about "Snivvelus" even as grown ups).
Not saying child Severus was a little ray of sunshine and innnocent, still, I think there are other things that should be accounted XD
Heck, people keep sympathizing with Malfoy XD
Not a fan of the "love" thingy either, I think it's bordering on obsessin, which is unhealthy
However I think Dumbledore is a LOT to blame for that one - it always seems like he is remembering Snpae that he must defend/protect Harry
I do not see Snape as a "hero" I just think he gets a lot of dislike for things others do as well - and do not get blamed for it
(Sirius is the one I'd love to have a review on!)
@@darajeeling Sirius was the ultimate whiny boy that never had to grow up. He was stuck with all of his worst thoughts around dementors before his brain was even fully developed. Fanfiction writers give him passes even the author hadn't, but even then... escaping one prison to live in a cave, then to sit stuck in the house that fueled his character... there's no way he'd be anywhere close to sane.
I see him like James: neither was a good character that had redemption, but the character whose perspective we read put them on a pedestal anyway.
And he didn't exactly have the chance to make something better of himself. Like you mentioned with Severus, Albus played his part.
Yeah I can never see Snape as a hero because of all the things he did.
J’s commitment to the southern accent bit is great lol
Southern Oliver Wood has well and truly earned his own channel 😂
You do know they have players from all over the world that play in this league. Look at the canons signing Gorgovitch.
If we are talking about characters that risk Harry’s safety with little consideration, I think of Hagrid. Personally not a fan of Hagrid
I still maintain that the English quidditch league, much like the Premier League (and other European football leagues) have a lot of international players.
Indeed! I was just coming to comment the same.
On an adjacent note though, I know we’ve been told of, like, 11(?) magical schools around the world, but that’s obviously not enough for the wizarding world as we’ve been shown. I’m sure there’s some nearby commuting (such as how the whole of the UK goes to Hogwarts) with Belgians or the like going to Beauxbatons, for example, but there are plenty of areas that have no major schools to speak of. For that reason, I like to think that the schools we’ve been told about are just the BIG ones. Where do Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, German, or Greek wizards go? Maybe to smaller schools, more like a typical high school and less like a lavish boarding school. Education has to be coming from somewhere, and, for our purposes now, so do professional quidditch players.
Whatever the case, I’m probably going off like an idiot because I’m severely lacking sleep and can’t put my phone down to close my eyes. 😂
Always starting a new thing. He’s not toxic; just passionate about Quidditch. Nothing wrong with that.
Hey i have thought about your theory about harry and co being compared to the marauders. Do you think that because luna and ginny like lily and snape were freinds growing up.
You know they live wery close to each other, plus they might be the only wizard girls in their area. I just like the idea of ginny taking lilys place as she hears all about lunas theories in the same way as snape telling lily all about the wizarding world
lov the vid and podcast
It's so cool getting a little hint on Through the Griffin Door on what's to come on your main channel!
10:58 loving this "Fact or Fiction"-esque delivery lololol
Jay that moostache of yours seems to get more magnificent every time I see it. But on a more serious note, I love the idea of talking about specific characters hope we see more of these in the future.
Oliver Wood roasting session was wild
Oh how I wish I could include a picture in my comments, had to pause the video for a second and the pause captured J's true essence in this video. 😂
4:44
From the moment I heard about through the griffin door i knew it would be an amazing thing, i just never could have imagined how big of an impact it would have on the main SCB channel. And by impact i mean it truly changed this channel for the better. SCB was already amazing but since through the griffin door came out this channel has had a huge influx of amazing HP videos. You guys are truly becoming HP experts and your videos show it. Anyone else agree?
Rockinh that moustache as always 😊😊😊
I don't think y'all have done this one but fun mini theory: How to y'all think Hogwarts students would travel if they had to go to another school for the Triward Tournament? Personally, I think the preettty obvious answer is the Hogwarts Express, but it'd be fun to think about some other possibilities, or how using the Hogwarts Express for such travel would actually work.
Instantly watching it. Greeting from Germany
Yeah. He did take his games VERY seriously.
I've been thinking about it since you mentioned it in Through the Griffin Door:
I think there is a community of home school wizards in Britain. They may not be "Hogwarts Material" in that perhaps they're only able to fly on a broom and make a potion or two, or maybe their family thinks Hogwarts is too fancy for them. Regardless, just based on the number of background characters, it seems to me that there must be members of the greater magical community that aren't students at Hogwarts.
At least, thats been my head cannon.
It's confirmed in the 7th book that homeschooling was a thing. Remus talks about it after Voldemort requires everyone to go to Hogwarts. (From the wiki) "Of course, nearly every witch and wizard in Britian has been educated at Hogwarts, but their parents had the right to teach them at home or send them abroad if they preferred."
My head canon is that the people in Diagon Alley represent a merchant class that doesn't want to waste the money on a school that wouldn't help them with their family trade.
13:42 WHAT IS THAT ACCENT?!?! Sounds more Southern American than any British accent.
I think that’s the joke 😅
I want to see a scathing review of Snape
The napoleon dynamite reference works so well too 😂
Wood as an old football obsessed Texan is such a hilarious image.
Really wasn't expecting not one but TWO Napoleon Dynamite references
Also a Zootopia reference with "Don't tell me what I know, Travis!"
@@coolnerdlll6053 oh you're right! I didn't even notice!
@@coolnerdlll6053 living up to your username
I am not going to mention that lip caterpillar....nope,, no way...but I will say I now love to LISTEN to your podcasts. Also also, great job on analyzing Wood's ability. Never thought about it before, but you nailed it. Now, about that mustache...mrphfl...muflapfft...
do you think that pro players play a lot older than athletes in muggle sports? Because as we have seen wizards tend to live much longer than muggles, and we know that they have much better care for their injuries which could keep them in the game much longer? I think that this would go some way to explain the disparity between recruiting pool and league size. just a fun thought, love your videos!
I got so excited when I saw the title!!!
we need a review of harry potter and the stone
0:37 so close to a name of the wind reference it hurt
Would love for this to be a series, you just going off about different characters
And because Ravenclaw was winning doesn’t mean the keeper was doing good. It could mean the chasers were scoring like crazy
weird thing is the player they were missing was the seeker. A player that normally is not involved in play. Which tells me they were going to get demolished in that game either way unless the time Beaters are focus on a seeker is super important to the overall game (which it probably isn't as Harry only ever gets targeted for revenge or because he is going for the snitch and is ignored the rest of the time). It seems Oliver's strategy for the game was "Harry gets the snitch before the better team out scores us" (which is how they won many games in the first couple of years, but then they were also a team of 5th and under year players against teams that were likely 5th and higher year players)
For all we know it could also be like the Quidditch world cup. Ravenclaw could have been annihilated by Slytherin but Cho cought the snitch.
"Shirty" is an adjective
We need an "in defence of Percy". He was able to stand up against his whole family for what he believed (even if he was not correct). From what we see, his parents were all in, in an anti-government cult, led by an old charismatic and pretty manipulative teacher. He didn't choose the poor-but-honest esthetics, his parents forced upon all of their children. They didn't have to be poor - especially after Ginny went to school and his mother could have taken up a part time job. It was his parents choice to live like that and he had to battle that image when he took up his career. Assistant to the most important political figure of the country? After just graduating?! That's a huge success! Where are his congratulations? And all that after years of being bullied by his twin brothers. They tried to get him down, laughed out all his achievements. He stood up against a toxic crab mentality and to a bar set very high by his older brothers. And after it turned out that against all odds his parent's cult leader was right, he had the bravery to admit it and fight to the death side by side with them! Working hard and very talented, brave and determined. That's what Percy Wesley was and should be acknowledged.
I have never been this early!!
So I've been keeping up with the podcast. I saw the title and immediately thought... This feels like it's been a long time coming. 😂
Is it possible that the British quidditch league recruits players from other schools in other countries?
I'm watching this in hospital 😂 such a therapeutic channel lol ❤
Can you guys do a “What if lupin joined harry on his hunt for horcruxes?” I would love to hear your thoughts on it
😂 the southern accent for oliver 😂😂
The more I look at you, the more I think that your mustache needs it's own channel!
That jacket is awesome! 🎉🎉🎉🎉
That's a jacket ;)
“Oh, it’s adorable!”
“…oh, it’s traumatized.”
How about a scathing review of Aberforth