If you apply your same reasoning to the Canon, you would have to reject that too. #1.) We know that we do not have one existing Text written by the actual authors, so to say the Book of Enoch was not written down till a much later date applies to EVERY Book of Scripture. #2.) Enoch is included in the Canon of LXX, DSS as well as the Ethiopic Church which is NOT gnostic. #3.) Enoch does not teach a flat earth, although some of the Book of Astronomy uses descriptions of the movement of the heavens that seem odd to us, but no different than other statements in our 66 Book Canon. The "giants" are called by MANY names (rephaim, Anakim, Zamzumim, Emim, etc.) and the VERY Text you gave (Gen 6:4) uses the word "nephilim". It is not unreasonable to assume that these were from the "fallen" (nephilim) angels and countless Bible scholars admit this. The "3000 Ells" is a mistranslation based on the Ethiopic Text, but is clarified as "the Nephilim brought forth Ĕli'ud," and is not to be translated as a height measurement, yet you spent the majority of your video wasting time "exposing" this already known error. #4.) Enoch Ch. 71 is NOT being addressed to Enoch himself: “And he came to me and greeted me [Enoch] with his voice, and said to me, 'This is the Son of Adam who is born unto righteousness, and righteousness abides over Him, and the righteousness of the Head of Days does not forsake Him....” Not sure what your version reads, but if it reads the same as my copies, you would need awful reading comprehension to apply it to Enoch, who received the vision and is in the following verses all addressed to "He" the coming Messiah. #5.) Rather pointless reason. The serpent is the one attributed to the sin of Adam and Eve, yet they are the ones cursed and just because the Text doesn't directly say give the reason for the decline of man doesn't disqualify the Book of Enoch... You should redo your examination and point out the hundreds of Texts in the 66 Book Canon that DO confirm the Book of Enoch, such as the accounts of the giants (nephilim), Jude 1:6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate..." and 1Co 6"3 "Know ye not that we shall judge angels?" just to name a few. Enoch is the ONLY account that can confirm Paul's statement above. Yes, there may be some scribal embellishment in the Book of Enoch that can seem odd, but your 5 reasons really fell flat for those of us who have studied the Book without bias.
I don't subscribe to the "Book of Enoch" as being God inspired...however, it does appear to give a rational cultural and spiritual context that might help explain many references in the Canon Our apostles were not perfect nor sinless. Yet what they wrote, led by and with the Holy Spirit, was perfect Regarding the book of Enoch, as with Gideon as his ephod, which became a snare to him and his family (Judges 8:27), we must be careful to discern and separate culture, history, idolatry from the truth
@crikey6981 none of the apostles wrote anything. Period. Much of it preceeds them. Drop orthodoxy? Stop letting organized groups control your mind. As soon as the church was roman, it was corrupted and never turned back. Its the roman empire with a jesus logo.
Enoch , book of Jaspher and Josephus works are used with the scriptures. Jude 14-15 comes out of the book of Enoch word for word. Dead sea scrolls 200AD show the complete book of enoch.
Absolutely! This info is so wrong - indeed the the completed book of enoch is in the Dead sea scrolls.Who is this"Brother Bill"? Not a very studied brother, if he indeed is that.
That's nice, @boonedog4460. The Dead Sea Scrolls include many non-canonical and secular writings. That is is no indication of whether the Essene sect of Judaism in Qumran considered them part of Scripture. Additionally, the Essenes were seen as a radical fringe group by the Jews of the day, so their opinions aren't highly relevant anyway. As for my level of study, I leave that for the Lord to vindicate me. @44spangle, Jude was written in the first century. Portions of the Book of Enoch were definitely written prior to that time, but not all of it. The similarity of the verses in Jude and the Book of Enoch may have been from having a common source or from Jude being the source for the Book of Enoch. A date of 200AD (or even a few centuries earlier) still falls 3,000 years short of the time of the biblical Enoch. If it does not have that antiquity it cannot be legitimate. If it is a false text, then it was certainly not the source for Jude though it could be copied from Jude.
Just a small correction @spangle, the DSS are actually dated to around 200BC not AD thus could never have been "copied from Jude" as @BrotherBill suggest and it is only speculation that the Essenes were those who wrote the DSS who were clearly a group of Jews who wanted to be separate from the Jewish hierarchy and were waiting for the eminent Messiah as the Book of Enoch prophesies. @BrotherBill uses the word "non-canonical" as though the RCC is the ones who decided on what is canon and the only "secular writings" are their own accounts
@@edbaker7490 Michael Steven Heiser was an American Old Testament scholar and Christian author with training in ancient history. He supported the first book of Enoch, he warned the others were most probably written/influenced by Gnostic's.
Weak misrepresentation of Enoch, Consider the following doctrines: 1) Salvation is by the righteousness of faith. Enoch 39:6 2) Salvation will come through Messiah. Enoch 40:5 3) Salvation is by believing on the Messiah's name. Enoch 45:3 and 48:7 4) Messiah's shed blood is necessary for salvation. Enoch 47:2-4 5) Messiah will be a light unto the nations. Enoch 48:4 6) Son of God exists with God the Father eternally. Enoch 48:6 7) Messiah called the Son of Man. Enoch 48:10 8) Son of Man Existed before any crated thing. Enoch 48:2-3, 6 9) Salvation is by repentance and belief in His name. Enoch 50:2-3 10) Messiah is called the Word. Enoch 90:38 11) Messiah is the Son of God. Enoch 105:2 12) Messiah will be born of a virgin Enoch 62:5 13) Jews will deny the Mesiah. Enoch 48:10 14) The Elect one will resurrect from the dead. Enoch 51:5 15) No flesh is righteous before the Lord. Enoch 81:5 16) Abortion is murder Enoch 98:5, 99:5 17) Denying inspiration is calling God a liar. Enoch 104:5 18) Do not alter scripture. Enoch 104:9 19) The book of Enoch was written for the final generation who would be alive during the great tribulation. Enoch chapter 1 The Dead Sea Scrolls prove that there was an entire canon of scrolls that pre-date Moses' writings. These scrolls were preserved by the Zadok priests who were the faithful priests who had descended from the line of Aaron the brother of Moses. Consider also, the same God who inspired ALL scripture also preserved these writings along the shores of the Dead Sea alongside our entire Old Testament canon with no distinction between the writings. All this at the same time He was restoring the Nation of Israel. I love you brothers and sisters but be very careful not to call what God has inspired, preserved, and restored, a fraud. If you don't understand Enoch, try harder. For more on the dead sea scrolls, th-cam.com/video/5M6yluRUIxE/w-d-xo.html
The Dead Sea Scrolls only date back as far as the period between the Old and New Testament (300BC-100AD). The Scrolls also contain other non-canonical and secular books, so their preservation through them only proves that they existed at the time of the Qumran community. The Essenes, who preserved the Scrolls were considered heretical by the Jews of their day anyway, so that also proves nothing. Showing up out of nowhere, not as a new writing, but something written 3,000 years before is quite the flight of fancy, especially considering all the other apocryphal writings that were written in the same era in the same region.
@@BrotherBill By this argument there are no truly inspired ancient writings as these are the oldest copies of all our Old Testament books. The fact being they are copies of copies etc. To pretend a copy is an original is consistent with liberal scholars and is used to doubt the reliability of scripture in general. The fact is, it was the Pharisees and the Sadducees who were the heretical groups denying any and all scripture they did not agree with. Had they held on to the writings of the ancients which taught of the death burial and resurrection of Mesiah, maybe they would have recognized Jesus when He came the first time. Also, the writers of the scrolls do not identify themselves as Essenes, but they do identify themselves as Zadok priests who were the authorized keepers of the scroll library going all the way back to Aaron. They were reauthorized by Ezra as the High Priests within the Jerusalem temple. They would later be exiled by the corrupt Sadducees with the help of the Greeks. As the Zadok Priests fled the temple, they carried the complete scroll library with them. All these scrolls were once part of the complete scroll library held by the sons of Zadok, the priests who kept the covenant.
Wow well done! There are so many that are blinded by the narratives that have been set up. You may be interested in a channel I found 'follow the lamb today' that exposes the narratives.
To be fair, the book of Ruth was not written by ruth. I completely reject the book of enoch, but just saying, there are titles in the Bible for books that were not written by the person in which the book is named after.
Thanks Oshea, but that is quite different. The Book of Enoch specifically claims it was written by Enoch in its very first verse. 1 Enoch 1:1, "The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the days of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed." That is why it bears the name of Enoch. Ruth never claimed to have written the book bearing her name. That is the difference and why even the name is false.
@@BrotherBill perhaps you dont understand the introduction ! you should know already even in the book of enoch he does not state that he wrote a book and left it either as he does not need to leave a book ! It was said that abraham also wrote a book ! on the guidance of the most high and it is written in the first person n! This is the book of mechesdeck ! the language of this book and the language of the book of enoch is the same author the book of enoch is a part of this panthon of scrolls ! The book of enoch was never lost to mankind as the ethiopians always had these books ! when the scrolls were discovered they were autheticated and NO NEW BOOKS WERE DISCOVERED!!! Hence they already existed and were held in the most high church in the world in the mountains of the sinai region of ethiopia ! As well as we have always had the ark also ! this was also huistorically known ! or indicated in various hearsay and tales handed to freemasons etc and in the modern day the ark was found exactly where it was preported to be ! ... Today its still there ! the people still follow the same books and same doctrines ! Only the west and the greeks did not accpet these documents or an did not even have copys of these documents as well as the crusaders never got to these regiuons to control the narrative in thier period. hence in the 20th centry people discovered ourt churches and even the ark in specific church in axum and htis was also a part of the aim of muselini ! this is also history ! these people have been the keeepers of the book and the keepers of the ark ! yes ethiopia is also the source of the nile ( the gihon ) the westereners changed the name of the nile river to the nile river when in deed it had aname ot was called the great river or gihon ! ( from on High ! ) in which it come from the highest place in africa at its source as well as divded into 4 etc : this is the only river preserved from the garden of eden !! As you would know that Zion was killerm Njaro ! mountains ! ( as you should know this is the throne of god ! ) ( at one timme it was also one of the lands called juda ) .....it was diveded betweren kenya and tanzania ! .... So Eden and Cannan ! Strangely there is a book called the book of adam and eve as well as the cave pf treasures ! they are not written by adam and eve ! (whm did not even know written word ! )
Are we able to declare with any certainty that any record has greater validity than another without relying on the bias of the evaluation? I say no. By what power is any man elevated over another to declare certainty?
yes we should accept scriptures as these one specifically are connected to other books such as Jude whom quoted enoch verbatum ! and jesus whom quoted the book of jasher verbatum !.... Both we have . both written at different times ! the book of enoch is a part of the book of melchesdeck
@@xspydazx No no... I don't mean that. And thanks for commenting. Any record is what my comment was referring. Not just records Germaine to Abrahamics. Take the totality of the written record and weight it, is what I'm getting at. If we look at different parts of the world, over time, we reveal each has it's own deeper interpretation of these matters. In the end, they almost always have some correlation. If that is the case, and it seems to be for sure, then it is an emergent property of mankind to compose them. So, that invalidates one's writings authority over any other record, and vise versa. Our sum collection of scripture from all faiths and religions is the aggregate of mankind's attempt to explain itself relative to the cosmos is what I'm getting at. They are either all equally valid, or all equally invalid, because there is no authority given to anyone that isn't just given by man - so what man has greater power than that which he chooses to declare himself subject to?
Who can say which storys are over the other storys ? Which doctrine is over the other doctrines ? In truth we cannot . We can only choose to have faith . For me it's the most high god and jesus the lamb of god . But this only male sense to me . (Also the holy spirit ) .. it's my faith . But each must find Thier own faith and not being forced to believe any doctrine which does not make sense to them . Or it's futile . Hence people jumping all the time from one philosophy to another
There are some parts I agree with that you make. Your point #1 would mean that Genesis is invalid because it was written after the flood and not preserved on the ark.
I find the reasons you give are lacking. Nephilim is mentioned in the Bible as if the reader already knows what they are. The book of Enoch explains what the Nephilim are. There is no evidence that Noah DiD NOT have the book of Enoch on the Ark either. How many books in the Bible were not written by the person whose name is on the book ? The Jews rejected it for many reasons. One being that some of them (The Sadducees for one) don't believe in angels, demons or the afterlife. The book does speak about the so called "flat earth". Real name Geocentric . Even the Book of Genesis says this. The book of Enoch seems to give greater detail to the stories in the Bible. Stories that don't seem to make sense until you read Enoch. The book of Enoch was written for a future generation (Our time? Maybe) . I'm not trying to convince anyone that the Book of Enoch should be included in the Bible. I think of it more as a reference to the bible. If you want to know what really happens when you die, you will find it in this book. Many near death experiences seem to show this to be true. Just my 2 cents. Peace.
I found a channel 'follow the lamb today' that you may be interested in, seems to use Enoch as a reference every once in a while to fill in blanks like you said.
@@Folly-Rancher No, the earth isn't flat. At least not like the spinning dish in a heliocentric universe like the globe trotters portray. Biblical cosmology is much different but more logical IMHO. I don't recommend that you look into the so called flat earth. Ignorant people will love trying to make you look stupid when in reality they probably have little knowledge of science. If you are happy with the matrix, then take the blue pill. but if you are one of those people who want to find out why things are the way they are and don't give a damn about what people say, then take the red pill. Again, i warn you not to do it. it's not for the faint of heart. You need to be rock solid in your critical thinking skills. And if you are an atheist, then for sure don't do it. Only people who believe in God's word will get it. Or not...LOL
Michael Steven Heiser was an American Old Testament scholar and Christian author with training in ancient history. He supported the first book of Enoch, he warned the others were most probably written/influenced by Gnostic's.
Enoch is one of the books from the Hebrew Scriptures that was in the first ever translation from Hebrew to Greek called the Septuagint. From the start with how it wouldn't be authentic because it was before Noah, then Genesis would be null and void by your ideals.
Most people I know of that refer to the book of Enoch are firm that the book of Enoch should not be considered scriptural canon. the book of Jasher was in the apocrypha and according to Google was written long after biblical times yet Joshua 19:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18 both refer to the book of Jasher. I do not perceive the post as critically accurate concerning Giants because different translations use the word nephilim in place of giants. the author may be correct but does not present very good foundational frame work for his argument. Fragments of the book of Enoch were found in the dead sea scrolls so claiming the Jews did not hold to the book of Enoch is belied by the fact that they copied and stored the book of Enoch.
The Book of Jasher as included in the apocrypha also lacks the antiquity required to be authentic (dating only to the inter-testament period and not the times of Joshua and Samuel. In Genesis 6:4 the word "nephilim" is translated giants, but the term is not used in reference to the children born to the daughters of men. Adherents to the Book of Enoch apply the term to the offspring of the relationships, but the Bible does not. I have not gone into detail on the "nephilim" because that will be the subject of a separate video I am working on. The Dead Sea Scrolls were preserved by the Essene sect of Qumran and not mainline Jews of the day. They were considered a fringe group that held views that the majority of the Jews found heretical. The Dead Sea Scrolls preserved many other non-canonical and secular writings, so even the fact that they preserved them really means nothing more than that it existed during the time they were residing in the region and it was something they felt worthy of preserving. It in no way indicates whether or not they included it in their canon.
@@BrotherBill First off I discovered a typo in my prior response Joshua 19:13 should read Joshua 10:13 sorry. Other than women the bible does not give us any other source for the giants/nephilim than women being their mothers. "Sons of God" are indicated in Job before humans walked the earth so the "sons of God" in Genesis 6:1-4 are clearly elohim that are later found in the Bible. Ha satan later called Satan was of the same source. NO angels who are obedient do not marry and neither does it appear there would be a source for them to marry to. the book of Jasher as I pointed out earlier cam from sources in scritpure that long pre date inter testament times. Claiming that the Jews of the time of Christ's crucifixion were 'the source' for mainline theology of the time is not a good course either. It was the mainline Jews sophistry that deemed Jesus was an heretic and should be killed. The calendar of the Essene's was more in line with the calendar of when Passover was first given to the Hebrews to observe by some accounts.. I never suggested the Book of Enoch was canon and neither did I state anyone I know of did either. The book of Jasher was brought up to render the concept that the Torah or Septuagint were not the books that held Hebrew history. There are other scriptures that indicate that God employed angels, whether good or bad in man's eyes, to achieve God's purposes in his war against the rebel devils.
Hello Gregory! I have never read the Book of Jasher, so I don't know what is in it to say for certain.This is why I would be leery of it anyway. First, it was never included in the canon of Scripture by the Jews or Christians. It is mentioned as a reference in Joshua and 1 Samuel, but it is questionable if the book of Jasher as we know it is the one referred to or even if it was truly written by Jasher. Even if the book is the legitimate one referred to in Scripture it was given as supporting documentation, not as inspired of God. There are several books like that mentioned in Scripture. These include the Book of the Wars of the Lord (Numbers 21:14), the Book of Samuel the Seer, the Book of Nathan the Prophet, and the Book of Gad the Seer (1 Chronicles 29:29). Also, there are the Acts of Rehoboam and the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah (1 Kings 14:29). We also know that Solomon composed more than a thousand songs (1 Kings 4:32), yet only two are preserved in the book of Psalms (72 and 127). Writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in the New Testament, Paul included a quotation from the Cretan poet Epimenides (Titus 1:12) and quoted from the poets Epimenides and Aratus in his speech at Athens (Acts 17:28). Since these works are quoted in the Bible, at least these quotes are of value, though God chose not to include them in the Scriptures so we cannot be assured of their value beyond what is quoted. If the legitimate books were found, they might be interesting resources, but the would be of no more value than a book written by someone today. If of course the books we found were not authentic, they would be of little or no value.
@BrotherBill if you have read it please do and let me know what your thoughts are.. It is called the book of the righteous upright.. from Creation, Abram to Joshua it explains what happened to them in their lives, how Abram Knew God all his life time before he became Abraham in the book of Genesis, The book of Jasher is the book of Genesis, May the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit Amen.
@@BrotherBill the word jasher ( the upright ) or the truthful ... this book was called the book of TRUTH ! Jasher was not a person ! Again they mistranslated the title ! same as the bible was not called the bible ! as well as the word bible = History ! so if they translated the word bible then all would say history in your native language ! .. the christian sect is very picky and choosey over which words they translate as the words are from african dialects so often they do not have equivilencey as well as complex thought are woven in by knowing the original hierglypohs for the word which contain a deeper meaning and translation ! ... thre people of different period were in different cultures so the writing styles are different ! sometimes they are egyptian based and other they are acadaian / Sumarian based phrasing and sometime they are Sanscrit based words ( ie the word rabbai is actually the sanscrit version of Iman the arabic hebrew version ? why was the word Rabbai in the bible when the word was iman hence iman u el ( teacher chosen by God ) ! ?? jesus was also the teacher . so when the angel said people would call him imanuel ( or holy teacher ) ie imanuel why did peter call him Rabbai or raboni ! ( because the greeks did not want to add african or arab words to the bible hence hebrew ois a generated language !)
What do you think of the multiple authors of Genesis theory Bro Bill. This is not graft welhausen. Henry morris popularized it. It says there are nine authors. Every time you hear these are the generations of it is the previous author signing off. It says all of the authors wrote their account and Moses compiled them and added his account. They would have presumably had to keep those records on the ark.
It is called the toledoth theory. I strongly believe he is correct. Before anyone gets the wrong idea, this is different from the multiple authors in the book of Enoch. The difference is that Genesis does not claim to be the work of one individual. It is attributed to Moses as the final human author, but he was more of an editor than an author in Genesis.
@@BrotherBill If you had done your research, sir and not copied and pasted your "exposé" from some biased source, you would not need to ask this question, considering the quotes are multiple. I suggest you acquire Joseph B. Lumpkin's reference book to Enoch. Here's a few to get you started: Luke 20:23 (see Eno 15:7) directly discussing the angels and their married state. Jhn 14:2 (see Eno 41:2) discussing the "mansions" in heaven. It's not only obvious that Yahshua was referring to Enoch's account in a number of places, but also that He taught the "unlearned" apostles from Enoch because many of them make similar statements that can only be attributed to the info in Enoch, such as the fallen angels and we shall judge angels.
I didn't say the Lord of the Rings taught the Flat Earth. I said the Book of Enoch does. To my knowledge, Tolkien makes no comment on the shape of either the Earth or Middle Earth in his books.
Judge not lest you also be judged. And you strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. Seems like new testament writers had no trouble quoting Enoch. But self righteous legalistic fundamentalists seem to.
2nd Thessalonians 2:11-12. Folk are prepped for the strong delusion brother. It's a mystery that folk will reject the truth and run to a fantastic lie. Hope you and your family have a wonderful and blessed Thanksgiving Day 🙏🏻
The strong delusion has been here for almost 2000 years. It is the spiritual mark of the beast that keeps people away from the mark of God (Ezek 20:11-12). Almost the whole earth has already taken the mark of the Beast spiritually because they have rejected the mark of God; his statutes. There is no salvation except through his statutes (Psa 119:155).
@mmseekingtruth1961 You are describing a works based salvation. Galatians 2:16, "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
@@BrotherBill yes it's the lie of "works salvation" that people are relying on. Maybe I didn't make myself clear in the above comment but we're on the same page brother!, I can assure you that my intention was not to defend works salvation or works security. It will be stressed in pretty much each sermon, (five times a week), that I'm able to preach. Hopefully that's now clear that I was referring to the lie of something other than Christ alone as the great delusion.
Sorry, Brother Jarvis. My reply was to @mmseekingtruth1961, not your comment. I know where you stand on salvation. I should have put his screen name on the comment. I will fix that.
I don't believe he did, but IF Enoch wrote the book, and he lived before the flood, how did his writings survive the flood? Do we have any other verified pre-flood writings by other authors?
the heirglyphs are the product of enoch ! this is how he is remember thoroughout history ! hence he was called MElchesdeck ! the rightous king ! He was also the first high presit pof the most high god ! even in the bible he was called the scribe and if we say this in khemetic egyptian then nwe get the word thoth ! the people loved him so much they wanted him to be thier ruler and king ! He even left and returned many generations later so in the flood he was not oin earth so he was not effected by the flood at all as he was in heaven ! when he returned the people was a new civilistation ! hence his book is out of sync with the rest of the bible as well as his other books melchesdeck which also contains a creation story and much deeper story of adam and eve ! .. The books we said to be written by abraham ! after this book came the book of moses ! an after this book comes the book of Jasher ! Later these books and other wrtten in various period became the ethioipian bible ! ( there are two bibles my friend _) one authentic Interliner greek orthodox text / with the hebrew text ) and the ethiopian bible ! the other are derivative the greek was formed from the ethiopian manuscripts stolen from africa ! you will find many books quote from the scolls of enoch or we would not know about angels falling to earth or whio iucifier was and how he was transformed in to satan also a description given to him by the most high . meaning one who is against the laws of the most high ! the heirglyphs survived the fglood my friend !! the pyramids were not always visible !!! they were hidden for many generations and today they try to date stone but they cannot as many of the rocks were created ! like cement block !but they do not wish to accept this ... if we discovered cement blocks 4k years old we would presume they were natural Rocks !
@popjaw1andOnly I mean Noah as in the Patriarch that survived the great flood. He literally would have brought the writing of his grandfather Enoc through the waters of the flood.
@@brianj5495 also correct as oah as also known as ascribe it says that while nimrod was reigning he was writing : one book says tha abraham was with noah in the mountian whilst in hiding
Nice work. I've met a lot of Christians who really got hung up on that book. I usually tell them if you want to read it read it as what it is. A text made up by some Jewish scribes in the intertestamental period.
Agreed. This was about the book of Enoch, not Enoch the man. I don't believe the history of the book allows it to have been genuinely written by Enoch who lived in the seventh generation from Adam. Enoch did live and walked with the Lord until the Lord took him to Heaven without ever dying.
Matthew 23:8, "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren." All who are saved by the blood of Christ are brethren. It is not a personal title but applies to all men in Christ. The ladies are our sisters. Of course if you are not part of the brethren, I would understand the question.
Well first of all it's part of the pseudoapigrapha books which means "fake name"which means it tells you right off the bat that it's a heretical non-historical book and obviously not inspired in fake name means it's attributed to a person that's actually in the Bible but they had nothing to do with it
The author of Hebrews is unnamed, but most consider it to be Paul. The Book of Enoch claims to be the work of Enoch but is not. That is the difference.
@@BrotherBill who says that Noah couldn’t have taken texts written by Enoch or maybe rewritten them or preserved them? Only thing we know is that the DSS is a copy of Enoch’s writings
@MomKimHub, I was speaking in terms of the human authors. You are correct, the Lord is the ultimate author of all Scripture. 2 Timothy 3:16, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Peter 1:21, "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."
Whoever this person is, they don't know what they are talking about. I have read thousands of books, and this is an excellent book! But be warned you might just have to think for yourself!
Hey! At least science fiction can be thought provoking and interesting to think about sometimes. The book of Enoch being at best a science fiction novel just makes science fiction look ridiculous rather than what it really is, man’s imagination of reality where man isn’t at fault for our sin, it’s those wicked angels that messed us up!
I refuse to reject enoch, jasher, adam and eve, testament of the twelve, apocrypha, deadsea scrolls, jocephus, jubilees, christ and abgarus, paul and seneca, acts of paul and seneca, magnesians, trallians, philadelphians, smyrnians, polycarp, phillipians, gospel of nicodemus, mary, the didache, the apostles creed, epistles of clement, ignatious, hermas, story of ahikar, odes of solomon, songs of solomon, targum of onkelos, of pseudojohnathan, epistels of barnabas, maccabees, sophia of jesus, protoevangelion, the interlinear, moffatt and companion bible. I have read them all and they are all divinely inspired because there are 1000s of scriptural witness through all the books that were taken from the kjv. If you havent read more than the kjv then you have done your soul a Great disservice.
You are free to do that, despite anyone's warnings. I have read some of them...1 and 2 Maccabees for instance. As a former Catholic, I used to recite the Apostle's Creed. While you are at it, why don't you throw in the Book of Mormon, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita. After all, they also claim inspiration. (Incidentally, I have also read the first two of them.) I am not afraid of other writings. I have read enough of them to discern what meets the biblical standard for being of God and they do not. 1 and 2 Maccabees, for instance contain some good history, but also contradict much of Scripture and so are not inspired. In April, 1546 A.D. at the Council of Trent, the Catholic Church added the apocrypha (though not all the ones you listed) in for two reasons. First, they wanted to differentiate between theirs and the "Protestant" Bible. Second, those books support their teachings such as Purgatory and prayer/alms for the dead. Both are unscriptural apart from the apocrypha.
Anyone who is waiting for the anointed one, the Christ or Messiah, has received the strong delusion. The Maaseyah is who died ((Neh 8:4) and he is who sits on the right hand. The Maaseyah is the work of Yah. All things were created through him. God 's works. Every religion on the earth is waiting for Jesus to return. Every religion on the earth has rejected God's statutes; God's celebrations of creation. His statutes. There are 6 annual Sabbath celebrations and a weekly 7th day Sabbath of rest. These are the statutes; the Times of God. This is God's children imitating their Father. There is no salvation except through the statutes (Psa 119:156). This is the mark of God (Ezek 20:11-12). The spiritual mark of the Beast is not keeping Gods Times. (Daniel 7:25)
Interesting, but an assertion is not an argument. You can show Gen 6 and read it and then tell us that there is no evidence that it says what it plainly says, but that is not making an argument. You need to go into it in more detail and take apart what the context is and what the Hebrew words are, because what you said that the scripture was not saying and what it appeared to be saying are two opposite things. You read it like it supports your view, but it appears not to. Not to mention that those who look at the book of Enoch, such as Heiser, do not assert that it should be canon. Heiser says that it should not. However, he asserts that it can help us to understand what New Testament authors were thinking because they were quite familiar with it. You don't mention Heiser by name but those who encounter him should not reject him based on the arguments made here. Many of them he would have agreed with.
# 2 the jews took thier torah after the book of enoch was created ! As you should know the torah surfaced around 1000 ad! There was the law of moses as well as other books such as the book of jasher also another book rejected : We need to realise that if colonization did not take place and we found the african ethiiopians today the book would include the history of selasi also ! These books are a part of the old testiment , as in the past the first bible contained various scrools as well as the tor .. and when the gospel accounts surface these was also accepted without scrutiny ! the other books of the new testment are not accepted by the original people , only todays christians , we can call this book the book of the gentiles : The quran also begun to suface in the 1000 also this was also a reply to the new testiment and gospels an the torah ! It was a dispute they did not belive wholy in the new testiment and gospels : they even decided to attempt to rewrite other older parts of the bible which also was not accepted : This book the quran would have been accepted but it does not acknowledge the son of god and mocks those of whom belive in the eternal life offered by the sacrifice of the lamb of god : As well as they do not understand the holy trinity ( ie halia selsai ) ... The sinai region is still i existance as it is a backbone of the world and is one of the highest ranges of mountains in the world : obviously the word sinai and its derivatives only occurs in ethiopia ! hence when we translate this word it summounts to .. the TOWER ! .. or the TOR ! Same name as the bible as it was begun by moses , and the tor is where it was written ! ( these are a mountains in the rift ! ) we even know whewre the Actual Mountain or Tower was for moses speaking to the most high as well as being guifed to by the most high ~! ( erta alle ) another ethiopia mountain ( the glowing mountian ) .... the book of enoch was written by a divine inspiration or soimular to how the other books of the bible were written ! Hence it forms a pat of the books of the mchurch of mechesdeck ! ( another ethiopian church group ) ! also in the same mountain Ranges : Perhaps you ignorant to the fact of ethioipia being the main heart of christianity as well as the kingdom of soloman .. as well as the foundation pof the aba people although they deny oiot ! Muhammed went to this king for safety ! ( he was the king of the region ! ethiiopia and arabia ( jordan ) .....But this is called the Dmt Culture by the west .. but its actually called the macabean culture ! And we should also realise that ras tafari makkonan ( the makkans are also mentioned in the bible ! as the people of the book as they did change thier names ! We also find the ethiopian writing system and language tree comes from the heiroglyphs ! its basically the only language surviveing ( written in its original script ) which can claim this ! Although other bantu languages previousy not written also are featured in heirglyphs and their languages can be found ! the bible is a living book and the JEws ( the converts ) have not even accepted jesus christ so they cannot be refferencesd when using anything for validity as they are the converted gentiles todays synagog of ... As your supposed to know its impossible for those peope to be afro asiatic people as they are self confess russian kossak askenasi and in truth many are not even this they are simple russians ! We already know the dna of the original jews as well as they were in the byuzantyne period ! Some even came to the ameica as crypto catholics im sure you have read your own anuals of history and accounts of the early forefathers of america ! you will find they are alsways described as black as wellk as the adventurers who compared some indian tribes to henrew tribes as well as hebrew beiing another slur word for BLACK ! Same as Barbarian ! ( a Part of the west coast fo afrcia ! ( the barbary coast on the medeterrainian ) .. In truth the book of enoch and the books of melchesdeck as well as the other dead sea scrolls are general from the same periods and the writer seem to be the same and use the same eterminiology ! So these storys which have been ethioipian culutew for 1-2k years ! cannot be dismantled by your rehtoric ! as you may not realise most of the bible was not written by the people they say they are ! often you will find they were written by seclusion and immersion ! ( someting which occurs on sinai today with preists who lock themself away inside the mountain caves writing or reading or meditating on the chosen phrophet ! yes it stil exists today its called the toure ... also mentioned in the bible many times ! ( ie the towers ! ) ..... But becuuase of racisim the christians of today who have not awoken to the truh are still listening ot misguiders like youy ! they dont even know the true name of GOD .. which obviousy your not worthy to know as you have rejected his book ! which also contains the reffeences to his holy name ! as your supposed to understand the story of enoch is about the high preist whom became an angel or did he and was he ordained as the holy spirit to be manefest on earth only to be given a body as meteron n!
We have found the skeletal remains of humans considerably larger than Goliath, but we have never found remains taller the the Burj Khalifa (a mere 2,722′)! If you want to believe in the Book of Enoch, you are free to do so, but you can't say you haven't been warned about it.
@BrotherBill God protected the book of Enoch for 1950 years in the dead sea caves I don't think we should be so quick to judge it If it says something that goes against the Bible it's false But you have bigger problems John 6 39 40 44 54 Jesus says at the LAST DAY four times I don't know where Mystery Babylon convinced you the rapture was The church rapture is at judgement day Revelation 20 shows two resurrections Jesus put the wise Virgins at the end of the story every time Daniel 12 2 sounds like the LAST DAY John 5 29 sounds like the LAST DAY The church rapture is after the thousand year reign That's why you can't find one Bible verse that promised the thousand year reign to the church Revelation 20 4 thousand year reign
Actually, it is not in the Bible, but some people want it to be. I was showing that it does not belong in the Bible. It should not be considered part of it.
So there are no giants? I distinctly remember someone named David killing a giant in Genesis. Did they tell a lie, or were there even giants? Since the "book" that tells about how the giants came isn't real right? 😂😂😂
Goliath was about 9.5 feet tall. Og, King of Bashan, was taller than that. The Nephelim were supposedly 4,500 feet tall (or 450 feet if you say it is an error). Quite a difference if you ask me!
@BrotherBill there was no exact height of giants. They ranged from 7ft to whatever height. They also had different kinds of them like chimera. Lmfao why else would they have a flood? For sin, what kind of sin? Medical experiments and cross breeding of species. Also where did demons come from? Just randomly appeared on the earth?
First, please refrain from using foul language (even abbreviated) in your comments or they will be removed going forward. The word demon does not appear int he King James Bible. They are called devils and they are the fallen angels that followed Lucifer (Satan). As for sin versus genetics, just look at the Bible. Genesis 6:5-8, "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD." Wickedness and evil pertain to sin, not genetics. Where in Scripture can you show me medical experiments and cross breeding of species. God made His creation to reproduce after their own kind. 1 Corinthians 15:39-40, "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another." Genesis 1:24-25, "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good." By the way, kind is more like family than species. Some species can cross breed. Lions and tigers can sometimes breed, but lions and elephants cannot. You are correct about giants in the Bible being over 7 feet tall, but the book of Enoch makes them out to be several orders of magnitude larger...either 4,500 or 450 feet tall. Goliath was a giant in the Bible. These other creatures are fairy tales.
does the book of Enoch describe the Elect One as God in the Flesh? The living incarnate of God? If so... It is of God. If not... It's not. Jesus is God in the Flesh. Just ask the book of Jude.
5 reasons to reject the O.T. Names and Titles Amun was given the title “King of the Gods” of Upper Egypt. Scholars discovered several different spellings of the name Amun in Egyptian literature. Some of the different spellings are Am,( I AM, )( Amen, ) Amon, Amoun, Ammon and Hammon. Other countries equated Amun with their own deities: Egyptians equated him with the god Min. The Greeks equated Amun with Zeus. The Romans equated him with Jupiter. Yahweh god of O.T. John 8 :44-45; 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Speculation and hearsay. Nothing you said can be proven either way. If it's believable enough for Christ to us e it then why discount it. By the way the earth is flat!!
Brother Bill can you comment on this new thing PRETERISM, I go back and forth with people that prophecy is being fullfilled now and in near future,they say it all happened i n 70AD,IM AT MY WITTS END TRYING TO SHOW THEM ITS FALSE TEACHINGS
I've discussed that topic in a few live streams (What's Your Paradigm? Parts 1 and 2 and Amillennial Mistake). Basically to come to Preterist view one must allegorize a lot of Scripture. The Preterest generally holds to Replacement or Covenant Theology where the church is seen as fulfilling the promises God gave to Israel. It robs Israel of her future salvation and denies that the people in modern Israel are the Jews of the Old Testament. By the way, Preterism is nothing new. It has been around for centuries. Those who hold to Amillennialism and Post-Millennialism hold to either the preterist or historicist view. Preterism says that end times prophecy was fulfilled in the first and/or second century. The historicist says that it was fulfilled through the centuries of persecution suffered by the church. The prophecies regarding Israel are the clearest ways to debunk the preterist or historicist, but they are generally reluctant to listen to a contrary point of view. Eventually you may just have to accept that someone will not listen. Matthew 7:6, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Sometimes it is just better to agree to disagree and move on with life.
If you apply your same reasoning to the Canon, you would have to reject that too.
#1.) We know that we do not have one existing Text written by the actual authors, so to say the Book of Enoch was not written down till a much later date applies to EVERY Book of Scripture.
#2.) Enoch is included in the Canon of LXX, DSS as well as the Ethiopic Church which is NOT gnostic.
#3.) Enoch does not teach a flat earth, although some of the Book of Astronomy uses descriptions of the movement of the heavens that seem odd to us, but no different than other statements in our 66 Book Canon. The "giants" are called by MANY names (rephaim, Anakim, Zamzumim, Emim, etc.) and the VERY Text you gave (Gen 6:4) uses the word "nephilim". It is not unreasonable to assume that these were from the "fallen" (nephilim) angels and countless Bible scholars admit this.
The "3000 Ells" is a mistranslation based on the Ethiopic Text, but is clarified as "the Nephilim brought forth Ĕli'ud," and is not to be translated as a height measurement, yet you spent the majority of your video wasting time "exposing" this already known error.
#4.) Enoch Ch. 71 is NOT being addressed to Enoch himself:
“And he came to me and greeted me [Enoch] with his voice, and said to me, 'This is the Son of Adam who is born unto righteousness, and righteousness abides over Him, and the righteousness of the Head of Days does not forsake Him....”
Not sure what your version reads, but if it reads the same as my copies, you would need awful reading comprehension to apply it to Enoch, who received the vision and is in the following verses all addressed to "He" the coming Messiah.
#5.) Rather pointless reason. The serpent is the one attributed to the sin of Adam and Eve, yet they are the ones cursed and just because the Text doesn't directly say give the reason for the decline of man doesn't disqualify the Book of Enoch...
You should redo your examination and point out the hundreds of Texts in the 66 Book Canon that DO confirm the Book of Enoch, such as the accounts of the giants (nephilim), Jude 1:6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate..." and 1Co 6"3 "Know ye not that we shall judge angels?" just to name a few.
Enoch is the ONLY account that can confirm Paul's statement above.
Yes, there may be some scribal embellishment in the Book of Enoch that can seem odd, but your 5 reasons really fell flat for those of us who have studied the Book without bias.
Well said.
Thank you!
I don't subscribe to the "Book of Enoch" as being God inspired...however, it does appear to give a rational cultural and spiritual context that might help explain many references in the Canon
Our apostles were not perfect nor sinless. Yet what they wrote, led by and with the Holy Spirit, was perfect
Regarding the book of Enoch, as with Gideon as his ephod, which became a snare to him and his family (Judges 8:27), we must be careful to discern and separate culture, history, idolatry from the truth
@@crikey6981 IF it was your "apostles" who authored it.
Do yourself a favor...drop orthodoxy.
@@michaelkaiser1864 Never claimed it was my 'apostle' who authored it the Book of Enoch
What do you mean 'drop orthodoxy'?
@crikey6981 none of the apostles wrote anything. Period. Much of it preceeds them. Drop orthodoxy? Stop letting organized groups control your mind. As soon as the church was roman, it was corrupted and never turned back. Its the roman empire with a jesus logo.
Enoch , book of Jaspher and Josephus works are used with the scriptures. Jude 14-15 comes out of the book of Enoch word for word. Dead sea scrolls 200AD show the complete book of enoch.
Absolutely! This info is so wrong - indeed the the completed book of enoch is in the Dead sea scrolls.Who is this"Brother Bill"? Not a very studied brother, if he indeed is that.
That's nice, @boonedog4460. The Dead Sea Scrolls include many non-canonical and secular writings. That is is no indication of whether the Essene sect of Judaism in Qumran considered them part of Scripture. Additionally, the Essenes were seen as a radical fringe group by the Jews of the day, so their opinions aren't highly relevant anyway. As for my level of study, I leave that for the Lord to vindicate me.
@44spangle, Jude was written in the first century. Portions of the Book of Enoch were definitely written prior to that time, but not all of it. The similarity of the verses in Jude and the Book of Enoch may have been from having a common source or from Jude being the source for the Book of Enoch. A date of 200AD (or even a few centuries earlier) still falls 3,000 years short of the time of the biblical Enoch. If it does not have that antiquity it cannot be legitimate. If it is a false text, then it was certainly not the source for Jude though it could be copied from Jude.
Just a small correction @spangle, the DSS are actually dated to around 200BC not AD thus could never have been "copied from Jude" as @BrotherBill suggest and it is only speculation that the Essenes were those who wrote the DSS who were clearly a group of Jews who wanted to be separate from the Jewish hierarchy and were waiting for the eminent Messiah as the Book of Enoch prophesies.
@BrotherBill uses the word "non-canonical" as though the RCC is the ones who decided on what is canon and the only "secular writings" are their own accounts
@@2besavedcom-7 Well said! Jude 1 quotes from Enoch 1 word for word. So many people with yt channels that speak of what they do not understand...
@@edbaker7490 Michael Steven Heiser was an American Old Testament scholar and Christian author with training in ancient history. He supported the first book of Enoch, he warned the others were most probably written/influenced by Gnostic's.
Weak misrepresentation of Enoch, Consider the following doctrines:
1) Salvation is by the righteousness of faith. Enoch 39:6
2) Salvation will come through Messiah. Enoch 40:5
3) Salvation is by believing on the Messiah's name. Enoch 45:3 and 48:7
4) Messiah's shed blood is necessary for salvation. Enoch 47:2-4
5) Messiah will be a light unto the nations. Enoch 48:4
6) Son of God exists with God the Father eternally. Enoch 48:6
7) Messiah called the Son of Man. Enoch 48:10
8) Son of Man Existed before any crated thing. Enoch 48:2-3, 6
9) Salvation is by repentance and belief in His name. Enoch 50:2-3
10) Messiah is called the Word. Enoch 90:38
11) Messiah is the Son of God. Enoch 105:2
12) Messiah will be born of a virgin Enoch 62:5
13) Jews will deny the Mesiah. Enoch 48:10
14) The Elect one will resurrect from the dead. Enoch 51:5
15) No flesh is righteous before the Lord. Enoch 81:5
16) Abortion is murder Enoch 98:5, 99:5
17) Denying inspiration is calling God a liar. Enoch 104:5
18) Do not alter scripture. Enoch 104:9
19) The book of Enoch was written for the final generation who would be alive during the great tribulation. Enoch chapter 1
The Dead Sea Scrolls prove that there was an entire canon of scrolls that pre-date Moses' writings. These scrolls were preserved by the Zadok priests who were the faithful priests who had descended from the line of Aaron the brother of Moses.
Consider also, the same God who inspired ALL scripture also preserved these writings along the shores of the Dead Sea alongside our entire Old Testament canon with no distinction between the writings. All this at the same time He was restoring the Nation of Israel.
I love you brothers and sisters but be very careful not to call what God has inspired, preserved, and restored, a fraud. If you don't understand Enoch, try harder.
For more on the dead sea scrolls, th-cam.com/video/5M6yluRUIxE/w-d-xo.html
The Dead Sea Scrolls only date back as far as the period between the Old and New Testament (300BC-100AD). The Scrolls also contain other non-canonical and secular books, so their preservation through them only proves that they existed at the time of the Qumran community. The Essenes, who preserved the Scrolls were considered heretical by the Jews of their day anyway, so that also proves nothing. Showing up out of nowhere, not as a new writing, but something written 3,000 years before is quite the flight of fancy, especially considering all the other apocryphal writings that were written in the same era in the same region.
@@BrotherBill By this argument there are no truly inspired ancient writings as these are the oldest copies of all our Old Testament books. The fact being they are copies of copies etc. To pretend a copy is an original is consistent with liberal scholars and is used to doubt the reliability of scripture in general. The fact is, it was the Pharisees and the Sadducees who were the heretical groups denying any and all scripture they did not agree with. Had they held on to the writings of the ancients which taught of the death burial and resurrection of Mesiah, maybe they would have recognized Jesus when He came the first time.
Also, the writers of the scrolls do not identify themselves as Essenes, but they do identify themselves as Zadok priests who were the authorized keepers of the scroll library going all the way back to Aaron. They were reauthorized by Ezra as the High Priests within the Jerusalem temple. They would later be exiled by the corrupt Sadducees with the help of the Greeks. As the Zadok Priests fled the temple, they carried the complete scroll library with them. All these scrolls were once part of the complete scroll library held by the sons of Zadok, the priests who kept the covenant.
Wow well done! There are so many that are blinded by the narratives that have been set up. You may be interested in a channel I found 'follow the lamb today' that exposes the narratives.
To be fair, the book of Ruth was not written by ruth. I completely reject the book of enoch, but just saying, there are titles in the Bible for books that were not written by the person in which the book is named after.
To be fair I believe he mentioned at the first that Enoch couldn't have written it because he was way before the flood
Thanks Oshea, but that is quite different. The Book of Enoch specifically claims it was written by Enoch in its very first verse. 1 Enoch 1:1, "The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the days of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed." That is why it bears the name of Enoch. Ruth never claimed to have written the book bearing her name. That is the difference and why even the name is false.
@@BrotherBill perhaps you dont understand the introduction !
you should know already even in the book of enoch he does not state that he wrote a book and left it either as he does not need to leave a book !
It was said that abraham also wrote a book ! on the guidance of the most high and it is written in the first person n!
This is the book of mechesdeck ! the language of this book and the language of the book of enoch is the same author the book of enoch is a part of this panthon of scrolls !
The book of enoch was never lost to mankind as the ethiopians always had these books ! when the scrolls were discovered they were autheticated and NO NEW BOOKS WERE DISCOVERED!!!
Hence they already existed and were held in the most high church in the world in the mountains of the sinai region of ethiopia !
As well as we have always had the ark also ! this was also huistorically known ! or indicated in various hearsay and tales handed to freemasons etc and in the modern day the ark was found exactly where it was preported to be ! ... Today its still there ! the people still follow the same books and same doctrines ! Only the west and the greeks did not accpet these documents or an did not even have copys of these documents as well as the crusaders never got to these regiuons to control the narrative in thier period.
hence in the 20th centry people discovered ourt churches and even the ark in specific church in axum and htis was also a part of the aim of muselini ! this is also history !
these people have been the keeepers of the book and the keepers of the ark !
yes ethiopia is also the source of the nile ( the gihon ) the westereners changed the name of the nile river to the nile river when in deed it had aname ot was called the great river or gihon ! ( from on High ! ) in which it come from the highest place in africa at its source as well as divded into 4 etc : this is the only river preserved from the garden of eden !!
As you would know that Zion was killerm Njaro ! mountains ! ( as you should know this is the throne of god ! ) ( at one timme it was also one of the lands called juda ) .....it was diveded betweren kenya and tanzania ! ....
So Eden and Cannan !
Strangely there is a book called the book of adam and eve as well as the cave pf treasures !
they are not written by adam and eve ! (whm did not even know written word ! )
Are we able to declare with any certainty that any record has greater validity than another without relying on the bias of the evaluation? I say no. By what power is any man elevated over another to declare certainty?
yes we should accept scriptures as these one specifically are connected to other books such as Jude whom quoted enoch verbatum ! and jesus whom quoted the book of jasher verbatum !.... Both we have . both written at different times ! the book of enoch is a part of the book of melchesdeck
@@xspydazx No no... I don't mean that. And thanks for commenting. Any record is what my comment was referring. Not just records Germaine to Abrahamics. Take the totality of the written record and weight it, is what I'm getting at. If we look at different parts of the world, over time, we reveal each has it's own deeper interpretation of these matters. In the end, they almost always have some correlation. If that is the case, and it seems to be for sure, then it is an emergent property of mankind to compose them. So, that invalidates one's writings authority over any other record, and vise versa. Our sum collection of scripture from all faiths and religions is the aggregate of mankind's attempt to explain itself relative to the cosmos is what I'm getting at. They are either all equally valid, or all equally invalid, because there is no authority given to anyone that isn't just given by man - so what man has greater power than that which he chooses to declare himself subject to?
@AtomkeySinclair your right
Who can say which storys are over the other storys ? Which doctrine is over the other doctrines ?
In truth we cannot . We can only choose to have faith .
For me it's the most high god and jesus the lamb of god . But this only male sense to me . (Also the holy spirit ) .. it's my faith .
But each must find Thier own faith and not being forced to believe any doctrine which does not make sense to them . Or it's futile . Hence people jumping all the time from one philosophy to another
@@xspydazx Very well said. Thanks for commenting.
Thank you for this video. It's much needed
Thanks, Brother Bill.
There are some parts I agree with that you make. Your point #1 would mean that Genesis is invalid because it was written after the flood and not preserved on the ark.
So I disagree with that.
I find the reasons you give are lacking. Nephilim is mentioned in the Bible as if the reader already knows what they are. The book of Enoch explains what the Nephilim are. There is no evidence that Noah DiD NOT have the book of Enoch on the Ark either. How many books in the Bible were not written by the person whose name is on the book ? The Jews rejected it for many reasons. One being that some of them (The Sadducees for one) don't believe in angels, demons or the afterlife. The book does speak about the so called "flat earth". Real name Geocentric . Even the Book of Genesis says this. The book of Enoch seems to give greater detail to the stories in the Bible. Stories that don't seem to make sense until you read Enoch. The book of Enoch was written for a future generation (Our time? Maybe) . I'm not trying to convince anyone that the Book of Enoch should be included in the Bible. I think of it more as a reference to the bible. If you want to know what really happens when you die, you will find it in this book. Many near death experiences seem to show this to be true. Just my 2 cents. Peace.
But the Earth isn't flat, is it? That alone is enough to write off Enoch.
@@Folly-Rancheror... Is it? 🤷🏽♂️😂
I found a channel 'follow the lamb today' that you may be interested in, seems to use Enoch as a reference every once in a while to fill in blanks like you said.
@@edbaker7490 I quickly looked at that channel and from seeing some of it, it does seem like something i would be interested in. Thanks.
@@Folly-Rancher No, the earth isn't flat. At least not like the spinning dish in a heliocentric universe like the globe trotters portray. Biblical cosmology is much different but more logical IMHO. I don't recommend that you look into the so called flat earth. Ignorant people will love trying to make you look stupid when in reality they probably have little knowledge of science. If you are happy with the matrix, then take the blue pill. but if you are one of those people who want to find out why things are the way they are and don't give a damn about what people say, then take the red pill. Again, i warn you not to do it. it's not for the faint of heart. You need to be rock solid in your critical thinking skills. And if you are an atheist, then for sure don't do it. Only people who believe in God's word will get it. Or not...LOL
I don't think you know the book of enoch is actually 3 books
I am aware of that. Is there a point to that?
Also my friend enoch is a part of the larger book of melchesedek .. which contains 7 other books !
Michael Steven Heiser was an American Old Testament scholar and Christian author with training in ancient history. He supported the first book of Enoch, he warned the others were most probably written/influenced by Gnostic's.
Enoch is one of the books from the Hebrew Scriptures that was in the first ever translation from Hebrew to Greek called the Septuagint. From the start with how it wouldn't be authentic because it was before Noah, then Genesis would be null and void by your ideals.
Great video!
Thank you for your research and wisdom. The video is very informative and helpful.
Most people I know of that refer to the book of Enoch are firm that the book of Enoch should not be considered scriptural canon. the book of Jasher was in the apocrypha and according to Google was written long after biblical times yet Joshua 19:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18 both refer to the book of Jasher. I do not perceive the post as critically accurate concerning Giants because different translations use the word nephilim in place of giants. the author may be correct but does not present very good foundational frame work for his argument. Fragments of the book of Enoch were found in the dead sea scrolls so claiming the Jews did not hold to the book of Enoch is belied by the fact that they copied and stored the book of Enoch.
The Book of Jasher as included in the apocrypha also lacks the antiquity required to be authentic (dating only to the inter-testament period and not the times of Joshua and Samuel. In Genesis 6:4 the word "nephilim" is translated giants, but the term is not used in reference to the children born to the daughters of men. Adherents to the Book of Enoch apply the term to the offspring of the relationships, but the Bible does not. I have not gone into detail on the "nephilim" because that will be the subject of a separate video I am working on.
The Dead Sea Scrolls were preserved by the Essene sect of Qumran and not mainline Jews of the day. They were considered a fringe group that held views that the majority of the Jews found heretical. The Dead Sea Scrolls preserved many other non-canonical and secular writings, so even the fact that they preserved them really means nothing more than that it existed during the time they were residing in the region and it was something they felt worthy of preserving. It in no way indicates whether or not they included it in their canon.
@@BrotherBill First off I discovered a typo in my prior response Joshua 19:13 should read Joshua 10:13 sorry.
Other than women the bible does not give us any other source for the giants/nephilim than women being their mothers. "Sons of God" are indicated in Job before humans walked the earth so the "sons of God" in Genesis 6:1-4 are clearly elohim that are later found in the Bible. Ha satan later called Satan was of the same source. NO angels who are obedient do not marry and neither does it appear there would be a source for them to marry to.
the book of Jasher as I pointed out earlier cam from sources in scritpure that long pre date inter testament times.
Claiming that the Jews of the time of Christ's crucifixion were 'the source' for mainline theology of the time is not a good course either. It was the mainline Jews sophistry that deemed Jesus was an heretic and should be killed. The calendar of the Essene's was more in line with the calendar of when Passover was first given to the Hebrews to observe by some accounts.. I never suggested the Book of Enoch was canon and neither did I state anyone I know of did either. The book of Jasher was brought up to render the concept that the Torah or Septuagint were not the books that held Hebrew history.
There are other scriptures that indicate that God employed angels, whether good or bad in man's eyes, to achieve God's purposes in his war against the rebel devils.
Brother Bill what about the book of jasher is it false doctrine?
Hello Gregory! I have never read the Book of Jasher, so I don't know what is in it to say for certain.This is why I would be leery of it anyway. First, it was never included in the canon of Scripture by the Jews or Christians. It is mentioned as a reference in Joshua and 1 Samuel, but it is questionable if the book of Jasher as we know it is the one referred to or even if it was truly written by Jasher. Even if the book is the legitimate one referred to in Scripture it was given as supporting documentation, not as inspired of God. There are several books like that mentioned in Scripture. These include the Book of the Wars of the Lord (Numbers 21:14), the Book of Samuel the Seer, the Book of Nathan the Prophet, and the Book of Gad the Seer (1 Chronicles 29:29). Also, there are the Acts of Rehoboam and the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah (1 Kings 14:29). We also know that Solomon composed more than a thousand songs (1 Kings 4:32), yet only two are preserved in the book of Psalms (72 and 127). Writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in the New Testament, Paul included a quotation from the Cretan poet Epimenides (Titus 1:12) and quoted from the poets Epimenides and Aratus in his speech at Athens (Acts 17:28). Since these works are quoted in the Bible, at least these quotes are of value, though God chose not to include them in the Scriptures so we cannot be assured of their value beyond what is quoted. If the legitimate books were found, they might be interesting resources, but the would be of no more value than a book written by someone today. If of course the books we found were not authentic, they would be of little or no value.
@BrotherBill if you have read it please do and let me know what your thoughts are.. It is called the book of the righteous upright.. from Creation, Abram to Joshua it explains what happened to them in their lives, how Abram Knew God all his life time before he became Abraham in the book of Genesis, The book of Jasher is the book of Genesis, May the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit Amen.
@@BrotherBill the word jasher ( the upright ) or the truthful ... this book was called the book of TRUTH ! Jasher was not a person ! Again they mistranslated the title ! same as the bible was not called the bible !
as well as the word bible = History ! so if they translated the word bible then all would say history in your native language ! .. the christian sect is very picky and choosey over which words they translate as the words are from african dialects so often they do not have equivilencey as well as complex thought are woven in by knowing the original hierglypohs for the word which contain a deeper meaning and translation ! ...
thre people of different period were in different cultures so the writing styles are different ! sometimes they are egyptian based and other they are acadaian / Sumarian based phrasing and sometime they are Sanscrit based words ( ie the word rabbai is actually the sanscrit version of Iman the arabic hebrew version ? why was the word Rabbai in the bible when the word was iman hence iman u el ( teacher chosen by God ) ! ?? jesus was also the teacher . so when the angel said people would call him imanuel ( or holy teacher ) ie imanuel why did peter call him Rabbai or raboni ! ( because the greeks did not want to add african or arab words to the bible hence hebrew ois a generated language !)
Which Enoch are we talking about anyway? There's at least two that I know of in the old testament.
What do you think of the multiple authors of Genesis theory Bro Bill. This is not graft welhausen. Henry morris popularized it. It says there are nine authors. Every time you hear these are the generations of it is the previous author signing off. It says all of the authors wrote their account and Moses compiled them and added his account. They would have presumably had to keep those records on the ark.
It is called the toledoth theory. I strongly believe he is correct. Before anyone gets the wrong idea, this is different from the multiple authors in the book of Enoch. The difference is that Genesis does not claim to be the work of one individual. It is attributed to Moses as the final human author, but he was more of an editor than an author in Genesis.
@@BrotherBillI lean toward it being correct too.
Jesus quoted from the book of Enoch multiple times......so do not listen to this man....
Chapter and verse please.
@@BrotherBill Enoch is mentioned in the Bible in the books of Genesis, Luke, Hebrews, and Jude
I am not talking about Enoch the man, but the alleged Book of Enoch...any of the three. You said the Lord Jesus quoted from it. Where?
@@BrotherBill If you had done your research, sir and not copied and pasted your "exposé" from some biased source, you would not need to ask this question, considering the quotes are multiple.
I suggest you acquire Joseph B. Lumpkin's reference book to Enoch.
Here's a few to get you started:
Luke 20:23 (see Eno 15:7) directly discussing the angels and their married state.
Jhn 14:2 (see Eno 41:2) discussing the "mansions" in heaven.
It's not only obvious that Yahshua was referring to Enoch's account in a number of places, but also that He taught the "unlearned" apostles from Enoch because many of them make similar statements that can only be attributed to the info in Enoch, such as the fallen angels and we shall judge angels.
Lord of the rings does not teach flat earth, it teaches about those on the earth and those under the earth: Phil. 2:10, 11.
I didn't say the Lord of the Rings taught the Flat Earth. I said the Book of Enoch does. To my knowledge, Tolkien makes no comment on the shape of either the Earth or Middle Earth in his books.
Judge not lest you also be judged. And you strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. Seems like new testament writers had no trouble quoting Enoch. But self righteous legalistic fundamentalists seem to.
“Judge a righteous judgment” John 7:24, “if there’s something in the Bible churches don’t like, it’s called ‘legalism’” Leonard Ravenhill
2nd Thessalonians 2:11-12. Folk are prepped for the strong delusion brother. It's a mystery that folk will reject the truth and run to a fantastic lie. Hope you and your family have a wonderful and blessed Thanksgiving Day 🙏🏻
The strong delusion has been here for almost 2000 years. It is the spiritual mark of the beast that keeps people away from the mark of God (Ezek 20:11-12). Almost the whole earth has already taken the mark of the Beast spiritually because they have rejected the mark of God; his statutes. There is no salvation except through his statutes (Psa 119:155).
@mmseekingtruth1961 You are describing a works based salvation. Galatians 2:16, "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
@@BrotherBill yes it's the lie of "works salvation" that people are relying on. Maybe I didn't make myself clear in the above comment but we're on the same page brother!, I can assure you that my intention was not to defend works salvation or works security. It will be stressed in pretty much each sermon, (five times a week), that I'm able to preach. Hopefully that's now clear that I was referring to the lie of something other than Christ alone as the great delusion.
Sorry, Brother Jarvis. My reply was to @mmseekingtruth1961, not your comment. I know where you stand on salvation. I should have put his screen name on the comment. I will fix that.
Looking forward to your video on the Nephilem. I have a couple family members I’ll be passing it along to.
Your premise is mostly taken out of historical context.
Ok...give some examples.
I don't believe he did, but IF Enoch wrote the book, and he lived before the flood, how did his writings survive the flood? Do we have any other verified pre-flood writings by other authors?
Noah.
@@brianj5495 Not familiar with his writings, but I'll look into it. Thank you.
the heirglyphs are the product of enoch ! this is how he is remember thoroughout history !
hence he was called MElchesdeck ! the rightous king !
He was also the first high presit pof the most high god !
even in the bible he was called the scribe and if we say this in khemetic egyptian then nwe get the word thoth !
the people loved him so much they wanted him to be thier ruler and king !
He even left and returned many generations later so in the flood he was not oin earth so he was not effected by the flood at all as he was in heaven !
when he returned the people was a new civilistation ! hence his book is out of sync with the rest of the bible as well as his other books melchesdeck which also contains a creation story and much deeper story of adam and eve ! .. The books we said to be written by abraham !
after this book came the book of moses !
an after this book comes the book of Jasher !
Later these books and other wrtten in various period became the ethioipian bible !
( there are two bibles my friend _) one authentic Interliner greek orthodox text / with the hebrew text ) and the ethiopian bible !
the other are derivative the greek was formed from the ethiopian manuscripts stolen from africa !
you will find many books quote from the scolls of enoch or we would not know about angels falling to earth or whio iucifier was and how he was transformed in to satan also a description given to him by the most high . meaning one who is against the laws of the most high !
the heirglyphs survived the fglood my friend !!
the pyramids were not always visible !!! they were hidden for many generations and today they try to date stone but they cannot as many of the rocks were created ! like cement block !but they do not wish to accept this ... if we discovered cement blocks 4k years old we would presume they were natural Rocks !
@popjaw1andOnly I mean Noah as in the Patriarch that survived the great flood. He literally would have brought the writing of his grandfather Enoc through the waters of the flood.
@@brianj5495 also correct as oah as also known as ascribe it says that while nimrod was reigning he was writing : one book says tha abraham was with noah in the mountian whilst in hiding
Nice work. I've met a lot of Christians who really got hung up on that book.
I usually tell them if you want to read it read it as what it is. A text made up by some Jewish scribes in the intertestamental period.
We do know Enoch was very important to God as he took him to be with him in heaven.
Agreed. This was about the book of Enoch, not Enoch the man. I don't believe the history of the book allows it to have been genuinely written by Enoch who lived in the seventh generation from Adam. Enoch did live and walked with the Lord until the Lord took him to Heaven without ever dying.
I only need one reason. 😊
The first clue/example is calling yourself brother.
Matthew 23:8, "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren." All who are saved by the blood of Christ are brethren. It is not a personal title but applies to all men in Christ. The ladies are our sisters. Of course if you are not part of the brethren, I would understand the question.
Saving for later t9 find out if I should reject Jude, Luke and Peter also
Well first of all it's part of the pseudoapigrapha books which means "fake name"which means it tells you right off the bat that it's a heretical non-historical book and obviously not inspired in fake name means it's attributed to a person that's actually in the Bible but they had nothing to do with it
Well, I thought I wanted to read the book of Enoch... Maybe not so much now.
We dont know the author is a huge reason to take this book as fiction.
Who’s the author of Hebrews?
The author of Hebrews is unnamed, but most consider it to be Paul. The Book of Enoch claims to be the work of Enoch but is not. That is the difference.
@@BrotherBillJesus is the author of all scripture.
@@BrotherBill who says that Noah couldn’t have taken texts written by Enoch or maybe rewritten them or preserved them? Only thing we know is that the DSS is a copy of Enoch’s writings
@MomKimHub, I was speaking in terms of the human authors. You are correct, the Lord is the ultimate author of all Scripture. 2 Timothy 3:16, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Peter 1:21, "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."
I’m thankful for my sheltered life away from all this nonsense. 😂🎉 also thankful God left is his word so we’re not led astray by this stuff.
Whoever this person is, they don't know what they are talking about. I have read thousands of books, and this is an excellent book! But be warned you might just have to think for yourself!
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Serious disbelief vibes dude
Hey! At least science fiction can be thought provoking and interesting to think about sometimes. The book of Enoch being at best a science fiction novel just makes science fiction look ridiculous rather than what it really is, man’s imagination of reality where man isn’t at fault for our sin, it’s those wicked angels that messed us up!
There are three Enochs ... Enoch, 2 Enoch, and 3 Enoch. All three are fascinating reads but we need to remember that they are NOT divinely inspired.
I refuse to reject enoch, jasher, adam and eve, testament of the twelve, apocrypha, deadsea scrolls, jocephus, jubilees, christ and abgarus, paul and seneca, acts of paul and seneca, magnesians, trallians, philadelphians, smyrnians, polycarp, phillipians, gospel of nicodemus, mary, the didache, the apostles creed, epistles of clement, ignatious, hermas, story of ahikar, odes of solomon, songs of solomon, targum of onkelos, of pseudojohnathan, epistels of barnabas, maccabees, sophia of jesus, protoevangelion, the interlinear, moffatt and companion bible. I have read them all and they are all divinely inspired because there are 1000s of scriptural witness through all the books that were taken from the kjv.
If you havent read more than the kjv then you have done your soul a Great disservice.
You are free to do that, despite anyone's warnings. I have read some of them...1 and 2 Maccabees for instance. As a former Catholic, I used to recite the Apostle's Creed. While you are at it, why don't you throw in the Book of Mormon, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita. After all, they also claim inspiration. (Incidentally, I have also read the first two of them.) I am not afraid of other writings. I have read enough of them to discern what meets the biblical standard for being of God and they do not. 1 and 2 Maccabees, for instance contain some good history, but also contradict much of Scripture and so are not inspired. In April, 1546 A.D. at the Council of Trent, the Catholic Church added the apocrypha (though not all the ones you listed) in for two reasons. First, they wanted to differentiate between theirs and the "Protestant" Bible. Second, those books support their teachings such as Purgatory and prayer/alms for the dead. Both are unscriptural apart from the apocrypha.
Anyone who is waiting for the anointed one, the Christ or Messiah, has received the strong delusion. The Maaseyah is who died ((Neh 8:4) and he is who sits on the right hand. The Maaseyah is the work of Yah.
All things were created through him. God 's works.
Every religion on the earth is waiting for Jesus to return. Every religion on the earth has rejected God's statutes; God's celebrations of creation. His statutes. There are 6 annual Sabbath celebrations and a weekly 7th day Sabbath of rest. These are the statutes; the Times of God. This is God's children imitating their Father. There is no salvation except through the statutes (Psa 119:156).
This is the mark of God (Ezek 20:11-12).
The spiritual mark of the Beast is not keeping Gods Times. (Daniel 7:25)
The book of Enoch is for the last days. I guess that would be your choice to ignore it.
Enoch is Blasphemous with this metatron stuff.
Jesus is the only mediator.
That’s from 2nd or 3rd Enoch not 1 Enoch
@umeproductions7060 - And?
@@FierceMouse those are known to have been made by completely different authors from 1 Enoch. Also date to CENTURIES AFTER Jesus
@umeproductions7060 So are you saying 1 Enoch is inspired, but 2 and 3 Enoch are not? That's a new one on me.
@@BrotherBill I’ve never heard any proponents of 1 Enoch endorse 2 or 3. They even contradict 1 Enoch itself
Interesting, but an assertion is not an argument. You can show Gen 6 and read it and then tell us that there is no evidence that it says what it plainly says, but that is not making an argument. You need to go into it in more detail and take apart what the context is and what the Hebrew words are, because what you said that the scripture was not saying and what it appeared to be saying are two opposite things. You read it like it supports your view, but it appears not to.
Not to mention that those who look at the book of Enoch, such as Heiser, do not assert that it should be canon. Heiser says that it should not. However, he asserts that it can help us to understand what New Testament authors were thinking because they were quite familiar with it. You don't mention Heiser by name but those who encounter him should not reject him based on the arguments made here. Many of them he would have agreed with.
# 2 the jews took thier torah after the book of enoch was created !
As you should know the torah surfaced around 1000 ad!
There was the law of moses as well as other books such as the book of jasher also another book rejected :
We need to realise that if colonization did not take place and we found the african ethiiopians today the book would include the history of selasi also !
These books are a part of the old testiment , as in the past the first bible contained various scrools as well as the tor .. and when the gospel accounts surface these was also accepted without scrutiny !
the other books of the new testment are not accepted by the original people , only todays christians , we can call this book the book of the gentiles : The quran also begun to suface in the 1000 also this was also a reply to the new testiment and gospels an the torah ! It was a dispute they did not belive wholy in the new testiment and gospels : they even decided to attempt to rewrite other older parts of the bible which also was not accepted : This book the quran would have been accepted but it does not acknowledge the son of god and mocks those of whom belive in the eternal life offered by the sacrifice of the lamb of god : As well as they do not understand the holy trinity ( ie halia selsai ) ...
The sinai region is still i existance as it is a backbone of the world and is one of the highest ranges of mountains in the world : obviously the word sinai and its derivatives only occurs in ethiopia !
hence when we translate this word it summounts to .. the TOWER ! .. or the TOR ! Same name as the bible as it was begun by moses , and the tor is where it was written ! ( these are a mountains in the rift ! ) we even know whewre the Actual Mountain or Tower was for moses speaking to the most high as well as being guifed to by the most high ~! ( erta alle ) another ethiopia mountain ( the glowing mountian ) ....
the book of enoch was written by a divine inspiration or soimular to how the other books of the bible were written !
Hence it forms a pat of the books of the mchurch of mechesdeck ! ( another ethiopian church group ) ! also in the same mountain Ranges : Perhaps you ignorant to the fact of ethioipia being the main heart of christianity as well as the kingdom of soloman .. as well as the foundation pof the aba people although they deny oiot ! Muhammed went to this king for safety ! ( he was the king of the region ! ethiiopia and arabia ( jordan ) .....But this is called the Dmt Culture by the west .. but its actually called the macabean culture ! And we should also realise that ras tafari makkonan ( the makkans are also mentioned in the bible ! as the people of the book as they did change thier names !
We also find the ethiopian writing system and language tree comes from the heiroglyphs ! its basically the only language surviveing ( written in its original script ) which can claim this !
Although other bantu languages previousy not written also are featured in heirglyphs and their languages can be found !
the bible is a living book and the JEws ( the converts ) have not even accepted jesus christ so they cannot be refferencesd when using anything for validity as they are the converted gentiles todays synagog of ... As your supposed to know its impossible for those peope to be afro asiatic people as they are self confess russian kossak askenasi and in truth many are not even this they are simple russians !
We already know the dna of the original jews as well as they were in the byuzantyne period ! Some even came to the ameica as crypto catholics im sure you have read your own anuals of history and accounts of the early forefathers of america !
you will find they are alsways described as black as wellk as the adventurers who compared some indian tribes to henrew tribes as well as hebrew beiing another slur word for BLACK !
Same as Barbarian ! ( a Part of the west coast fo afrcia ! ( the barbary coast on the medeterrainian ) ..
In truth the book of enoch and the books of melchesdeck as well as the other dead sea scrolls are general from the same periods and the writer seem to be the same and use the same eterminiology !
So these storys which have been ethioipian culutew for 1-2k years ! cannot be dismantled by your rehtoric ! as you may not realise most of the bible was not written by the people they say they are !
often you will find they were written by seclusion and immersion ! ( someting which occurs on sinai today with preists who lock themself away inside the mountain caves writing or reading or meditating on the chosen phrophet !
yes it stil exists today its called the toure ... also mentioned in the bible many times ! ( ie the towers ! ) ..... But becuuase of racisim the christians of today who have not awoken to the truh are still listening ot misguiders like youy !
they dont even know the true name of GOD .. which obviousy your not worthy to know as you have rejected his book ! which also contains the reffeences to his holy name ! as your supposed to understand the story of enoch is about the high preist whom became an angel or did he and was he ordained as the holy spirit to be manefest on earth only to be given a body as meteron n!
So we are not to read the book of Enoch, But you have some ocean front property/ books
To sell us 🤔
Seriously look Timothy Alberino
You should read Joshua
Giants were real
I never said they weren't. I said the 4,500 foot giants of the Book of Enoch were fiction. They are also unimaginably ridiculous.
@BrotherBill
The Jewish spy's said they were like grasshoppers compared to them
That sounds a lot bigger than Goliath
We have found the skeletal remains of humans considerably larger than Goliath, but we have never found remains taller the the Burj Khalifa (a mere 2,722′)! If you want to believe in the Book of Enoch, you are free to do so, but you can't say you haven't been warned about it.
@BrotherBill
God protected the book of Enoch for 1950 years in the dead sea caves
I don't think we should be so quick to judge it
If it says something that goes against the Bible it's false
But you have bigger problems
John 6 39 40 44 54
Jesus says at the LAST DAY four times
I don't know where Mystery Babylon convinced you the rapture was
The church rapture is at judgement day
Revelation 20 shows two resurrections
Jesus put the wise Virgins at the end of the story every time
Daniel 12 2 sounds like the LAST DAY
John 5 29 sounds like the LAST DAY
The church rapture is after the thousand year reign
That's why you can't find one Bible verse that promised the thousand year reign to the church
Revelation 20 4 thousand year reign
It's in the Bible so it's God's word! If he didn't want it written it wouldn't be in the Bible.
Actually, it is not in the Bible, but some people want it to be. I was showing that it does not belong in the Bible. It should not be considered part of it.
So there are no giants? I distinctly remember someone named David killing a giant in Genesis. Did they tell a lie, or were there even giants? Since the "book" that tells about how the giants came isn't real right? 😂😂😂
Goliath was about 9.5 feet tall. Og, King of Bashan, was taller than that. The Nephelim were supposedly 4,500 feet tall (or 450 feet if you say it is an error). Quite a difference if you ask me!
@BrotherBill there was no exact height of giants. They ranged from 7ft to whatever height. They also had different kinds of them like chimera. Lmfao why else would they have a flood? For sin, what kind of sin? Medical experiments and cross breeding of species. Also where did demons come from? Just randomly appeared on the earth?
First, please refrain from using foul language (even abbreviated) in your comments or they will be removed going forward.
The word demon does not appear int he King James Bible. They are called devils and they are the fallen angels that followed Lucifer (Satan). As for sin versus genetics, just look at the Bible. Genesis 6:5-8, "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD." Wickedness and evil pertain to sin, not genetics. Where in Scripture can you show me medical experiments and cross breeding of species. God made His creation to reproduce after their own kind. 1 Corinthians 15:39-40, "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another." Genesis 1:24-25, "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good." By the way, kind is more like family than species. Some species can cross breed. Lions and tigers can sometimes breed, but lions and elephants cannot.
You are correct about giants in the Bible being over 7 feet tall, but the book of Enoch makes them out to be several orders of magnitude larger...either 4,500 or 450 feet tall. Goliath was a giant in the Bible. These other creatures are fairy tales.
does the book of Enoch describe the Elect One as God in the Flesh? The living incarnate of God? If so... It is of God. If not... It's not. Jesus is God in the Flesh. Just ask the book of Jude.
5 reasons to reject the O.T.
Names and Titles
Amun was given the title “King of the Gods” of Upper Egypt.
Scholars discovered several different spellings of the name Amun in Egyptian literature. Some of the different spellings are Am,( I AM, )( Amen, ) Amon, Amoun, Ammon and Hammon.
Other countries equated Amun with their own deities:
Egyptians equated him with the god Min.
The Greeks equated Amun with Zeus.
The Romans equated him with Jupiter.
Yahweh god of O.T.
John 8 :44-45;
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
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Fables like NASA…
Speculation and hearsay. Nothing you said can be proven either way. If it's believable enough for Christ to us e it then why discount it.
By the way the earth is flat!!
i have many more reasons. i already debunked the whole stupid cult book.
Jesus and some apostles quote the book of Enoch! The earth is flat… also in the Bible
Brother Bill can you comment on this new thing PRETERISM, I go back and forth with people that prophecy is being fullfilled now and in near future,they say it all happened i n 70AD,IM AT MY WITTS END TRYING TO SHOW THEM ITS FALSE TEACHINGS
I've discussed that topic in a few live streams (What's Your Paradigm? Parts 1 and 2 and Amillennial Mistake). Basically to come to Preterist view one must allegorize a lot of Scripture. The Preterest generally holds to Replacement or Covenant Theology where the church is seen as fulfilling the promises God gave to Israel. It robs Israel of her future salvation and denies that the people in modern Israel are the Jews of the Old Testament. By the way, Preterism is nothing new. It has been around for centuries. Those who hold to Amillennialism and Post-Millennialism hold to either the preterist or historicist view. Preterism says that end times prophecy was fulfilled in the first and/or second century. The historicist says that it was fulfilled through the centuries of persecution suffered by the church. The prophecies regarding Israel are the clearest ways to debunk the preterist or historicist, but they are generally reluctant to listen to a contrary point of view. Eventually you may just have to accept that someone will not listen. Matthew 7:6, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Sometimes it is just better to agree to disagree and move on with life.
@BrotherBill thank you brother I just came across you today for the 1st time,happy Thanksgiving