THE DEATH AND REBIRTH OF KARATE!!! - This changed everything
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To those who say that Karate Combat is not really Karate: Karate is not a martial art. Karate is an ecosystem of fighting styles and combat sports, interrelated by tradition and spirit. It has always been in the nature of karate to evolve, to appropriate techniques from other arts, and to diversify in style, and has been so since its beginnings in 14th century Okinawa. Karate is, and always has been, an MMA. I think this is great because everyone can find a variant of karate that they can train in, regardless of gender and age, and whether you are weak or strong. Also, you can practice karate for many different purposes: for fun, for self-defense, for sport (light and full contact), for fitness, and for personal development. I don't know if there is another martial art that has that degree of variety. Karate Combat is simply the most recent addition to it.
You don't know what you're talking about
@@punhosdepano5805 In which sense?
I mostly agree. Well I don't think the first iterations of karate are from the 14th century. I think it's a bit more recent than that. But that's pointless to know the exact timeline anyway.
Karate can be trained and used for self-defense, sport, self-improvement, weapons technically (with Kobudo --> same body mechanics), etc...
Depends on your goals, you can train karate the way you like.
That being said, to me, Karate without kata isn't Karate. Kata is the essence of Karate.
It can be part of Karate but not full Karate.
Karate Combat is now bringing in guys like Raymond Daniels and Gabriel Varga who are high level strikers, and they both won their debuts. I also hope they bring in more Taekwondo guys .
Taekwondo is the cousin of Karate. I think it’s only natural they’ll open the doors to more Taekwondo fighters. The ITF style will probably do fairly well in Karate Combat.
Raymond Daniels and Gabriel Varga have fought professionally long before they entered Karate Combat.
@@attritionwarrior thats what i said
@@roccodurazza7782 Shotokan roots
@@makesenz kung fu roots!
I am pretty sure most of the karatekas cross train K-1 or any other form of kickboxing, Muay Thai included. Shotokan guys need some for full contact, Kyokushin guys need for those head punches\head weaving and bobbing also proper distance management, Kudo guys need that as well as their Kudo Helmets can make them a bit reckless. Not sure about the rest of the styles though, but if I had to guess most of them still need some kind of adjustment.
sure for now. but maybe in the future, if this sport grows, there will be „karate combat“ gyms, where they spar amongst each other specifically for that rule set without having to cross train in other branches… in the end the body doesnt notice a brand of fighting or anything anyways, but just movement
Kyokushin does allow head punches search up shinken shobu rules. K-1 Kickboxing is pretty much Kyokushin with head punches, then again shinken shobu rules. Though Muay Thai is valuable to cross train with.
LOVE Karate Combat. My life rotting away watching youtube got so much more bloody and entertaining once I found it. Can't believe you didn't mention Danny Trejo's involvement. They're on another level with this shit.
As a Kyokushin karateka I cross train Kyokushin with Lethwei. In Lethwei they train 5x times harder than Kyokushin daily drill but amazingly I never out of energy. Combination of those two style make me pretty confident with my limbs. For those who wondering if Lethwei teaches takedown techniques, the answer is yes. They show me not only about takedown but also signature headbutt & how to strike even in mid-air while you and your opponent are falling together. So even without thigh kick those Kyokushin senpai should be cross train in those fights.
Can they still go hard in their 30's and 40's?
@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 Yes they do. My coach is at his late 40s but he still active. I'd never see Lethwei fighter are retired due to the brain injury. They're tough like seriously tough. If you're not trained in Lethwei or Muay Thai you barely hurt them.
@@mandateonmandalay7632 why do you think they are so hard to hurt and not incur as much brain injury? Do they condition their skulls? I mean is that even really a thing, very curious about that in lethwei
you lucky you ain't in Oyama dojo that shit probably was brutal what Mas Oyama put them through
Man, I’m not even a karate guy or a striker. And I love this venue, karate combat!
Love Karate Combat.. they should allow Taekwondo guys to compete, would be awesome seeing more spinning and flying kicks. Yes I know it’s called “KARATE” Combat. But styles that derived from some form of Karate like Taekwondo and Tang Soo Do would bring an interesting flavour
I don’t disagree. It’s close enough
They started doing that. There's some TKD based fighters in the promotion now and even a Sanda guy. Good decision IMO.
I train in Tang Soo Do. 👊🥋🇰🇷
Then they should make a TKD Combat
@@arthemas8176And that's a great idea
My only problem, and the commentary I've seen from others as well, is the level of polish. Some fighters just throw wild haymakers or have sloppy posture, sloppy footwork, etc. With kyokushin I've always been impressed by how polished and efficient it looks. I just don't get that from this I agree though, it is cool to see a niche application for karate c:
Edit: you acknowledged what I was saying, I should've waited lol. Regardless good video :)
😅 yup we agree pretty much
@@inside_fighting question: due to how mma stances and movement are karate like today, do u think a karate guy could build a standup base and gameplan on karate combat rules instead of kickboxing and/or muay thai?
@@mikea7732 for sure although it depends what the goal is. I think the ruleset of karate combat is translatable to other combat sports while still allowing karateka to maintain their flavor and style.
I'm a huge fan and supporter of Karate Combat. Glad you acknowledged the league...Would you consider competing in Karate Combat?
I don’t consider myself a karateka. I’m also 40 and have an autoimmune disease 😅 if I’m going back to compete in anything it’s going to be grappling and full contact stick fighting (Filipino martial arts). But that would be when i finish my upcoming health tests 🙏🏼
I would love it if they added karate gi tops, and allow fighters to grab the sleeves and lapels to set up more strikes. One of my favorite, and underrated, things about karate is that split second we exist in trapping range. Like yeah, we can frame someone and start shucking them by the shoulder or by grabbing the wrist, but it's just so much more fun when you add in grip breaks and that extra bit of leverage to set someone up for a close range kick you normally wouldn't be able to get otherwise.
It's not something that's really all that big a deal, but it's a little bit of flavor that I wish we could have.
those Karate combat pants also look sick tho
I'm surprised we don't see an influx on Chinese "Karate" practitioners using Sanda to dominate in this promotion. Either way I love the ruleset and can't wait to see where it ends up. Great video, osu!
We'll see in the future. I know the World Sanda open has a ruleset that is basically the same as the karate combat rules. There would need to be some incentive for more Sanda practitioners to transition though.
I love karate combat.
Really like your channel man. Respectful, funny, and informative. You're really hitting the trifecta.
My other takeaway from the early UFCs is that the same-day tournament format is INCREDIBLY disadvantageous to strikers - who take MUCH more attrition damage than grapplers do. I don't think it takes too much away from BJJ's success to acknowledge that and note that there are a good number of guys from styles which aren't as prevalent in the modern UFC who just advanced to like, the quarter or semi-finals because of this format.
I agree entirely. The more damage you take as a striker in multi fight days is crazy
Although that’s almost more of a testament to the efficiency of grappling as a style for that format
@@inside_fighting yeah, I think it definitely shows the positives of grappling, but conversely, it didn't show that those striking styles were as "crummy" as casual observers may be apt to think. IMO, Karate Combat is a great example that yes, these striking styles "can fight". I also noticed that the Kyokushin guys weren't doing as well, since you're not "fighting in a phone booth" and there is a finesse that a reliance on "tanking" can lower - so great call-out! One other league I would suggest you check out is this Taiwanese Strike-heavy circuit called King of Dragons (龍中之王), where they allow grappling (and holds/submissions) for a short time before standing them up. There are Thai Boxers who compete there, but also a lot of Sanda guys, and a bunch of Kung-fu guys from various styles too.
@@kuo.taichi i will definitely check it out!
That old era of style against style was unique. Amd what i like is that you dont judge ay style , traditional or not and you talk about the facts and pros and cons of every martial art
I’d seen the highlights but had no idea about the rules evolving or the style aspect of it. That’s awesome!
Thank you, I will follow it way more closely now.
Man, i love your channel. I noticed the same thing, i thought that Kyokushin would dominate the whole league, but Shotokan is doing really well. I want to see some Dutch Kyokushin fighters in there anytime soon. Karate combat is doing great things! Osu
Awesome video. I have heard of combat karate and have seen clips of it.
I feel like I need to watch it now.
It’s worth it :)
You are allowed to uppercut and centerline kick in Karate Combat. Ridge hands and long hooks were always allowed. Short hooks were allowed after the first event. Low Kicks to the thigh aren't allowed but calf kicks are. The purpose of the ruleset now is supposed to be a middle ground ruleset for the ocean of sport karate competitions that exist.
But their website says no uppercuts still?
I understand the middle ground approach but i can’t get over the no thigh kicks. It’s so odd as a limitation.
@@inside_fighting i think the no thigh kicks rule is specifically to keep it from becoming like muay thai
@@inside_fighting you can adapt low kicks to calf kicks but the way they are traditionally done in Karate is a longer range than that which creates incentives for that longer range Striking Karate is known for.
But more importantly Calf Kicks are the great equalizer in the ruleset. You can have the same level of knowledge of low kicks and go low kick to low kick with someone. But if you haven't spent the years necessary conditioning your thighs you will give out first.
Karate Combat's main pipeline of talent is point fighters who don't have that conditioning. Rafael Aghayev vs an opponent like Gabriel Varga is a much more interesting matchup in this ruleset.
Finally, it makes the sport truly unique from other combat sports.
@@inside_fighting but either way Karate Combat listens closely to their fans and fighters so if they want Low Kicks to the thigh they will add them. Just like they have done with short hooks, uppercuts, and now knees
@@pilot.wav_theory @InsideFighting IMO, now specifically, the "no thigh kicks" rule is kind of a concession to Shotokan guys who rely on popping in and out and intentionally so we dont get the loss of mobility and static movement after the thigh gets targeted. They want their fighters to be mobile and to zip around the pit.
I like karate combat but to me there is a big issue with their top down approach. There needs to be an amateur division tournament with a similar rule set. There is currently no way for young guys to get into this sort of tournament without already being a black belt who likely has never fought a full contact fight before or has to cross train boxing. At that point why not just do kickboxing. Karate combat should start a amateur division as well imo.
I believe one reason why Kyokushin and its offshoots are not doing well is because of rule set. No leg kicks which is a major factor.
Bruh what so many offshoots of Kyokushin and Kyokushin are doing well. Look how many champions they've birthed. The Dutch and Japanese style of Kickboxing, comes straight from Kyokushin who are all about keg kicks and boxing and footwork. Hiroki Akimoto is a Kyokushin fighter and he's excelling in One championship.
@@kesenaememere8520 I'm talking about the Karate Combat tournament.
lots of good takes in this video im subscribing 💯
Great video! Your points are literally what I’ve been telling my martial art friends about karate and I’ve been doing it for 20 years!
I used to be a WKF Olympic style athlete but I lost the love because of the ruleset and now have fallen in love with karate combat!
Solid points and reasoning in your video! Especially when so many other TH-camrs that talk about karate’s “effectiveness” vs other MAs and bash it. So it’s nice to see you channels like yours that do provide counter points to that!
Eh... to me, karate combat just feels like an attempt to revive 1970's American rules/long pants kickboxing. The sloped arena is neat, but the arbitrary restrictions on how you're allowed to strike (no uppercuts, no kicks to the thigh but calf kicks are allowed) feel like an extremely artificial attempt to separate it from Muay Thai and Dutch/Japanese kickboxing - the very systems which overtook American rules kickboxing in the first place, precisely because of how restrictive the American style was.
If Karate Combat wants to stand out from other striking competitions, it needs to find more organic solutions than placing arbitrary restrictions on strikes that "aren't karate."
IMHO, the best thing karate combat could do would be to a) get rid of the no uppercuts/no thigh kicks/etc and b) change the shape of the arena from a square to rectangle. It would organically shift strategies more towards the linear in-and-out footwork karate is known for instead of the circling and sidestepping of other striking arts, and thus create unique rhythms and strategies while still allowing a full possibility space of techniques.
Love your videos
Jesus in a gi, that was awesome!
Stoked you made this video!
I agree that they need fighters that people can become invested with. I'm also waiting for them to allow upper cuts, which I think with time will happen. I really like that they've implemented small amounts of ground work too, I think for like 4 seconds.
Uppercuts are currently allowed, Bruno Souza and Josh Quayhagen landed some in the last event. Ground and Pound is allowed for 5 seconds from a standing or knee on belly position. If you reverse the position the timer is reset. Groundwork is treated like a clinch in Boxing where some referees will stand them up immediately, while others will give them an opportunity to work out of it into a position where they can strike.
@@killaben85 their website says uppercuts are still not allowed. 😮
@@inside_fighting "All punching and hand striking techniques executed with the closed fist directed to the front and sides of the face, and the torso above the beltline. Ridge-hand strikes are also legal." This includes uppercuts one thing also mentioned by the commentators is they they use the Mohawk rules for what they consider the back of the head. But yeah uppercuts have been allowed since Season 3 and Knees are allowed since KC 35.
Cool review. Keep it going.
The art of fighting WITHOUT FIGHTING !!! 👊😆👊
olympic karate is a mirror of today's society at large = mindblown
Uechi Ryu is very popular since Jesse Enkamp announced Uechi Ryu as a deadliest style of Karate which is fantastic for self defense and has a dreaded toe kick
That opening theme always fucking gets me 😂
Well, i actually agree that its weird that the guy won like that, and i dislike point style rulesets so, im notndefending the rules ..... The rules are that you have to control your strikes so you dont knock the oponent out... This means the guy breaks the rules, gets disqualified and lost...
If i do a spinal crank in bjj, even if i win the fight, i lose the match... If i kick womeone in a boxing match, even if i win the fight, i lose the match... If i ground and pound the shit out of someone in muay thai, i win the fight but lose the match... That doesnt mean bjj, boxing or muay thai are dying...
Ifna fencing guy breaks its sword to make it sharpnand stabs the guy under the neck peotection and kills him, its not a win for him... If i did half the things i do in sipalki tournaments in a bjj tournament inwould be banned from competing again, and if i did anything i learnt in bjj in a sipalki tournament no one would notice cos its already allowed... Dont expect things outside the rules to give you a win
This a really Good Concept
Agreed! I'd love to see more polished form but it a fascinating idea
Has a ton of potential.
karate combat is very good, I am so glad to see it. Not knocking Olympic karate... But, ummmm...
YOU DA MANN BRah. Would you please consider doing solo training drills or condtioning video for Martial artists?
Yes I’ll make some solo training drills for you this week 🙏🏼
Curious on your position on the new rise of bareknuckle boxing also how it compares to regular boxing ?
Great vid thanks for the content
I have a lot to say on it :) i will eventually make a video
Mmm i dunno. Karate wasn't supposed to be a striking stuff but thanks to Yoshitaka Funakoshi this happened. I believe it all started to go downhill right there. When he tried to make his father's art "less deadly" and "more educative". I mean if you see old Okinawa stuff it was all about CQB grab, trap, trip, twist & break and THEN there was some striking, with all body weapons (while grappling). I would like to see a tournament allowing all of this but karate-only. No other styles.
Then why is every other style, even unrelated styles, predominantly striking? Why are the styles they came from in Fujian predominantly striking? Look at books from the 30s eg. from Motobu it is predominantly striking. And there is no way Motobu would change his art to fit the Funakoshi's art. It is simply not true that Yoshitaka turned it into a striking art, it always was predominantly a striking art. And it was being modified before he was born to be more palatable, for example by Itosu for use in schools.
@@Michael-yr5oq I disagree, sorry. Striking emphasis comes as a distorted interpretation of the forms. If you look closely to bunkai and try to interpret it you will find out there is basically grappling to strike or very close range striking. The problem is that in our past decades anyone just repeated the forms without knowing or trying to know what they are for and so, many concluded it was only a dance full of punches and kicks. BTW: Sure Choki dimissed anything from Funakoshi but be aware that he wont dismiss a good hold of the opponent to deliver his monstrous blows. We are talking about things much more older than karate here. Also, i'm very tempted to say that your first statements are false. Specially because most ancestral styles as the indigenous ones consist mainly of grappling and then, some striking. (Check out: Tarraca, Uga-Uga, Marajoaran fight, Greco-Roman Wrestling, Ssireum, Shuai Jiao, Dumog, Eastern Euro/Turkmene and Indian folk traditions) although i admit that i don't know anything about Fujian styles
PS: And yes, i did read the old manuals. The ones about karate, "pre-karate" as i call and some of other koryu schools
PS2: If you need extra evidence i recommend also the works of McCarthy, Abenathy and Enkamp
@@joaoguilhermebastos519 Short range striking and trapping/seizing an arm to strike is hardly grappling. It would like saying muay thai is grappling rather than it has some grappling.
You don't know what Fujian martial arts are and you tell me to read Enkamp and McCarthy? They go about them non stop especially the later.
Saying there was more in "pre karate" means nothing, I never said there wasn't more grappling in some of the arts that blended to become karate. For example there is more grappling in Takenouchi ryu than shindo jinen ryu but that does not change anything about karate. The katas supposedly mostly came from southern shaolin mostly from Fujian, it stands to reason they would resemble them and they do, we even know which arts some forms came from and said arts are predominantly striking. Some of the arts karate came from are predominantly grappling but most are predominantly striking, especially in the arts most kata came from. Karate is and always has been a predominantly striking art.
@@Michael-yr5oq That is an interesting point of view of yours but sadly it wasn't sufficient to change my mind. In the end we just have different conceptions about things. Good journeys to you!
No centreline kick to the face? The most karate technique in the world..how strange. You’ve hit the nail on the head with the perfect entry for grappling being karate striking.
I may be wrong. Their website is ambiguous because some people are saying they do allow uppercuts which their site clearly says they don’t.
Center line kicks to the face are legal
@@killaben85 Thanks for letting me know. The website with the ruleset was ambiguous.
I couldn't agree more!
Modern "Olympic karate" is a kindergarten for children
Those rules they use should be rules for children up to 7 years old...
Even point karate used to be much more realistic and allowed more contact...
And not only that, according to modern rules, the character who was knocked out (in Olympics) should not have won.
Because according to the rules you don't have the right to run into the punch/kick (what he did )!
But he won because of politics.... "my god we have to show moms and dads how karate is safe for kids"
I am definitely a fan of Karate Combat as a much better set up for current karate tournaments compared to the current point fighting ones. However, it is still somewhat mellow compared to the bare knuchle tournaments from the 1960's up to the 1980's. They were originally full contact and included grappling, throwing, etc. Not all of the karate competitions were full contact, but if you look them up you would see what I'm refering to. I also have not seen a ton of traditional okinawan styles like Goju-ryu, or Uechi-Ryu in Karate Combat. Both of these styles are fairly close range and the majority of the kicks that they use are focused from the mid section down. I suppose that Uechi-Ryu would be even more difficult to integrate into these competitions because of the main use of open handed techniques. I also think that Uechi-ryu would be hard to integrate because of the intense body conditioning that is practiced in this style, although Goju at least in Okinawa is not far behind. I hope that Karate Combat does start to allow more "traditional" karate styles in order to show how the training can highly change the inaccurate idea that just because someone looks like a modern athlete or body builder are the best "fighters" from those styles. Keep up the good videos and always remember that any effective martial art evolves to fit the world around it.
Agreed,...
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The KC pit comes from the old military sandbox pit--it was a great adaptation.
Didn’t realize that. Super cool
Seeing as karate techniques are designed for punching and defending without wraps/gloves, I reckon they should ban those ridiculous haymakers, windmill punches and anything else they wouldn’t be able to get away with without breaking their hands if they were bear.
at that point just take off the gloves, karate is supposed to have different fist forms anyway lets see em
I agree with you on the olympic Karate, it is just a disgrace and I am more than just happy that this is no longer a thing and Karate has not been declared a fully olympic discipline. And while Karate combat has the right idea, it still has quite some issues. It is taking the techniques from a sportive and watered down version of Karate without embracing the wide and rich repertoire of techniques that are included in classic Karate. I am speaking of stand up joint locks, joint lock induced throws and stuff like that. Because classic Karate is way more than you see in Karate combat. Or did you know that Kata Guruma is also well known in classic Karate? And yet this technique is as far as I know not allowed in Karate Combat. So why do they still cripple Karate by such stupid rules? As you mentioned in the video. A simple Mae Geri to the chin is not allowed? WTF? No elbows allowed? No uppercuts? More WTF?! Did you know that Karate actully has much in common with Judo and Jiu Jitsu?
Take Judo and strip it of:
self sacrificing throws
Gi-based grappling
But add:
striking with hand palms, fists, elbows, forearms
low kicks with feet and knees (maximum belt level of your opponent)
stand up no-Gi grappling
stand up joint locks
joint lock induced throws.
Ignore:
those flashy high kicks, they do not exist in classic Karate
Why you may ask? Because traditional japanese clothing was so tight it did not allow for high kicks. The flashy high kicks you see nowadays in Karate have been adopted only in the 1920s or 30s. That is why you don't find such high kicks in classic Kata. Only in modified modern versions.
I once read an interesting article that said when Jigoro Kano visited Okinawa and attended a Karate demonstration held by Kenwa Mabuni, Kano was so enthusiastic he said that for his wide knowledge Mabuni should be awarded the 4th Dan in Judo immediately. This should tell you quite a bit about how similar Karate and Judo are in several ways. And that is also one of the reasons why so many genuine Karate techniques were banned in the Olympics, because Judo people did not want the audience the mix the 2 Martial Arts up. Shout out to the Judo officials who pressed for this: thanks a alot for watering down Karate even further, you fu***** a***holes!
What especially Shotokan people or better: all those Karate people who are active in Kumite tournaments get wrong about Karate: the engagment distance. Shotokan people engage their opponent over a rather long distance. And thus they miss the real life application for MANY techniques in their Kata. Because originally the engagement distance is the short distance.
All in all Karate Combat has potential. But is has to go quite a distance to get there yet. And I keep my fingers crossed that they will make it.
Nice video!
As a kyokushin karateka myself I have to admit theack of kyokushin domination (so far) is extremely disappointing, I have to wonder why? Is kyokushin not sending their best, or is it something mechanical to kyokushin?
Awesome video though KC kicks ass
Few reasons.
1 kyokushin guys have already been proving themselves in full contact for years even against other styles in events like glory, pride even onefc… so the cream of the crop isn’t going to karate combat. There is literally 10 times the shotokan fighters.. so the bigger the pool the higher the talent.
2. The ruleset, no kicks to thighs is very bad for kyokushin fighters who rely on that.
3. Takedowns, shotokan is far more confusing to ruleset that have takedowns where as kyokushin really isn’t.
4. No head punching for a lot of kyokushiners develops bad habits so unless those top level strikers fight you aren’t getting guys with the same experience…
Guys like Judd Reid, nikolas Pettit, Andy hug, Akimoto etc would rip through people et
@@inside_fighting damn bro thats some great points there, especially no.3, the odd judo night at the dojo probably won't cut it for take down defense and grappling in general 😂
These rules are terrible for kyokushin !!!
1) kyokushin and blows to the head - unlike kickboxing where you have boxing gloves, here you have small mma gloves that you can't cover yourself with.
They are not used to dodging blows. And they don't have boxing gloves to hide behind
2) takedowns totally changes things / when there are takedowns , you have to keep your hips down. You can't make really big combinations. Because of the clinch, the distance is different...
3) no low-kick to thigh!
for kyokushin is easy to transition to kickboxing, than to karate combat!
It’s to do with distance and timing surely? Strangely enough the kyokushin distance management is the furthest thing away from what is required for MMA and KaRate Combat, where takdowns become an option. Shotokan, Wado and the longer stance styles seem to be far more conducive. That said, GSP made it work.
Some good points on this from other posters already but also I feel like the kyokushin guys we have seen in karate combat are just like random guys whereas alot of the shotokan guys are the literal creme de la creme lol. Seriously one of the kyokushin guys wasn't even a black belt lol.
Has your father given his opinion on KC?
Must have been a breath of fresh air for him.
This karate guy is coming after you
Have you ever competed in any martial arts competitions growing up?
Actually they’ve had Hook punches from the beginning as Karate also classically uses ridge hand strikes, so circular strikes are OK but upper cuts I guess are still out. Not so bad as we don’t want Karate combat to turn into another form of Kickboxing lol.
IMO, Karate Combat should be more like the way the Karate dudes from my second oldest video fought (video title: Full Contact Karate in Early MMA) so that viewers don't confuse them with kickboxers. The ones in that vid used of a variety of Karate techniques such as open-hand strikes, knee strikes from the clinch, throws and holds. It is like how old-school Karate is practiced in Jissen Kumite. Karate as a whole isn't just made of punches and kicks like kickboxing.
I agree but perhaps open hand strikes can’t get approved by any sport commission
According to their rules, the knife hand is legal, to the _neck_ 0_0
Karate kombat is still a limited MMA bout with more rules, if you add grappling back to the equation we get UFC 1 all over
But it’s driven entirely by karate guys which is cool.
@@inside_fighting yeah its not bad, I still think that this isn't what will fix karate though, more needs to be done. There are many factors why karate is unpopular, but one of the main reasons is the teaching system, its too archaic and outdated. Too much time spent on katas(lyoto machida himself said they are pointless, its better to train the individual moves rather than rigidly memorizing and repeating a sequence) and too much hand-holding, the learning curve is too long and inefficient. The reason why karate stopped being relevant unfortunately is because it stopped evolving, all the styles are dogmatic and have only been preserved according to the last wishes of the founders of said style... MMA gave karate an interesting problem to solve "what happens if I am grabbed" to which their answer was "we shall not speak about it, heretic!", instead of addressing the flaw and finding solutions to it. That's the main reason I stopped karate, its too dogmatic and religious.
@@kingartifex Dude, there are Karate groups which have gone to evolve with other systems and even bring back practical applications of old methods (e.g. Shidokan Karate and Seidokaikan Karate). This isn't the 20th century anymore.
@@combatsportsarchive7632 never heard of them
Enshin karate is perfect for this ruleset.
Karate didn’t die though, Lyoto Machida is easily one of the best Light-Heavyweights in UFC history.
I don’t disagree but lyoto machida is before the events in the olympics… also there was no exclusive place for karateka to go for their own style to compete That allowed true full contact.
@@inside_fighting Ah, I understand now, my apologies.
I competed fir the Olympics and they wanted me ti change my style of fighting because I was to aggressive they purposefully didn't let me win and still said they wanted me on the USA team I said no because I wasn't going to disrespect my sensei for his heart he gave me
My issue with KC is the prohibition on thigh kicks.
Hello. Please react to Senshi Championship please :(
It is Kyokushin with head punches.
Hi, enjoyed this video, but I wonder, Don't our father like karate combat? You say in another video, that your dad like old school karate
Also, i think karate convat should reach influencers sonnext time instead of doing boxing for their clash of influencers they do karate combat
I have a beef with karate combat and it’s with the no thigh kick rule. This is gonna massively dissuade Kyokushin practitioners from competing because it’s a big part of their game. It seems silly to allow calf and body kicks but no thigh.
It is the weirdest rule of all time... i agree. Although I am surprised by how bad Kyokushin guys have done there.
@@inside_fighting probably cus it takes out a large part of their game.
Why don't they allow low kicks? Weird
Lyoto Machida should fight at Karate Combat I feel the Dragon will kick major @$$
He would especially in his prime
@@inside_fighting his Protégé Bruno Souza will be fighting the former Lightweight Champion on October 29th
@@killaben85 Thank you sir im looking forward for me its the closest thing but it would be awesome even if he only fights once I think it would be a legendary night seriously I dont see him losing a Karate Match its like Anderson Silva aint losing to Jake Paul in boxing Lyoto "The Dragon" Machida got Karate in his DNA
Popular do you think it will become
I’m sure it will keep growing. It won’t be as big as mma but will have its place in combat sports
@@inside_fighting agreed
There are 3 clips in a row of a failed side kick being countered with a knock out punch during the recoil. Are you trying to show us something?
Karate Combat reminds me vaguely of Chuck Norris's World Combat League. Anyone remember the WCL? Too bad that org didn't survive past two seasons. I thought it was cool.
Do they allow Kajukenpo or American Kenpo practitioners to compete?
Yes
Is anyone else here because they ate ice cream cake?
Hahahaha had to make sure i was inclusive
Rebirth? No, they forgot what karate is. And the disqualification of that head kicker in semi contact, I felt bad and angry because this is not karate is
Shotokan is a misunderstanding of what karate was meant to be.
We had Kudo and K1 already
I have UFC 1 on VHF.
I really don't like the ruleset. It is so Shotokan heavy but Karate is more than Shotokan.
Ishinryu has both hooks, and uppercuts.
The death of Karate was in 1975 when Dominique Valéra lost his points.
I think Karate combat is going to kill off the mcdojos, once the feeder system is created like BJJ Boxing and MMA if a gym doesn't have fighters in top level comp or their feeder system they will be struggling to keep their business.
I hate fraudulent mcdojos.
One one hand I like what KC is doing with what they think it's needed to change karate's reputation, but on the other I don't like the constant fragmentation of the martial art.
If karate combat will be successful in their goals, in the future you'll have a polarizing situation similar to the current "sport karate vs traditional karate", but in a more dramatic way. You'll have on one hand established KC gyms, and on the other sport karate gyms for people who don't want to do full-contact. Traditional gyms will eventually die out and karate will lose its link with the past.
I thought I was being overly critical thinking (and saying that) the fights were too sloppy. It's good know I wasn't just making that up in my own head.
It's obviously not impossible to bring some of that cleanness from Karate point sparring into full contact, Lyoto and his brother did it.
Correcrion
The guy you talk about who foight the sumo guy in the first ufc match and later took an eye was not a kickboxer. He actually was 7 times national karate champ.
How’d you get a crown of thorns on Bob Wall? Lol Karate Combat is what Chuck Norris wants everyone to think he did.
look up Kyoukushin. Look at the most recent shinkyoukushin The 7th World Karate Championships in Poland from this year. "oooh karate is dead" is just pointless because it completely ignores the fact that knockdown karate and Kyoukushin has continued unhindered, in its own lane, with the occasional kyoukushinkai fighter entering K1 or muay thai (Hiroki Akimoto etc)
Very silly that you said kickboxing is not karate, when the first major international kickboxing organisations were glove karate organisations, and K1 in Japan started from Seidokaikan karate.... An offshoot of kyoukushin.
You may want to watch the first video on my channel lol It's about Kyokushin and Hiroki is one of the fighters I discuss.
Here is a link. I train Kyokushin FYI
th-cam.com/video/YcgxnJd7Ub8/w-d-xo.html
@@inside_fighting If you really trained Kyokushin you wouldn't waste your time making silly videos like this. Frivolous clickbait like this is unbecoming of any karate style, and especially kyokushin. In the face of the 13th IKO world Open next month, which is the 54th consecutive all Japan open karate championship since Kyokushin was founded, you dare to say karate needs a "rebirth". If you actually cared about the art you would know that Kyokushin has never died, no matter how fragmented the organisations have become. Hiroki wasn't even that good of a Kyokushin fighter, and now he's dominating a high level kickboxing organisation which is why I mentioned him. People like Valery, Eremenko, Kovalenko, Yuta Takahashi, Guzauskas, Kenji Yamaki, even Alejandro Navarro at 45 years old, would dominate nearly all forms of modern kickboxing, including karate combat, and they have been fighting and competing for decades. Tell any of them to their face that karate died, or that what you saw at the olympics represented any more than a drop in the ocean that is karate.
@@budokakyokushin1435 🤣🤣🤣 are you ok? You seem very triggered buddy.
I’m glad TH-cam has made you so tough.😘
@@inside_fighting 1k views to make the 100th DOES "X martial art" work video.... dawg you need help. On my other channel i keep everything unmonitized because I make videos for fun not for cash, but I suppose thats why you need to make a stupid face for your thumbnails and repeat the same talking points like some kind of dollar store sensei seth/jesse enkamp, don't quit your dayjob btw. I thought i'd give you some actual kyokushin education, as all you seem to know about it is a few google searches worth but instead you want to be prissy about things. Find me any kickboxing org that has had continuous tournaments every year for 54 years in a row. Find me an MMA organisation that is 54 years old. You can't. How can karate combat revive a martial art that has been constantly holding high level, full contact, multiple fight tournaments, for 54 years across at least three different branches (WKO, IKO, IKO3, etc)? Get real.
I noticed that everybody who got knocked out in the video were black or brown.... I'm just saying
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Obviously you can't allow uppercuts. You ever heard of a little thing called the Dragon Punch? SHO RYU KEN? Duh!
🤣 I’ve spent numerous quarters learning it
They should takeout the wrestlers grapplers in Karate Tournament. And put them onto mma and ufc 🤷 When they takedown and wrestle it gets so boring, lovemaking instead of war ☝️
The Achilles’ heel of Karate Combat is getting rid of the low kicks to the thigh
It essentially cripples all Full Contact guys
Until they allow thigh kicks no knockdown karate styles like Kyokushin will win and better yet they should also stay away until they allow thigh low kicks like a real combat sport
Didnt KC sold out and had non karate guys competing?
kickboxing was savate fight
1. The Iranian was no unconscious. He was faking. He had done this same thing before.
2. He committed a foul (called "mibobi") wherein a competitor is penalized for leaving themselves insufficiently protected.
3. The officiating was poorly done -- they made a disasterously bad call.
4. Olympic karate sought to be a variation of essentially no-contact free fighting. Knockouts are penalized because the sport is not meant to exist as a means in-and-of itself, like boxing or wrestling, or even judo and taekwondo, but as part of training a larger skill set called "karate."
I am aware of why the ruleset exists which leads to my very issue with the sport… something like karate combat allows a far more practical application of karate.
@@inside_fighting
Yes, that criticism is fair, but your original criticism misses the point. It's not that I think the rules of WKF kumite are good, it's that your criticism neglects to even acknowledge that there are rules that support a fair outcome. The argument is based on ignorance of the rules.
I agree there's a problem because of the outcome, but that outcome didn't adhere to the rules.
Cheers.
No elbows or clinching?! Disappointing. There are a LOT of clinches and elbow strikes in kata. Naihanchi/Tekki in particular is almost entirely about clinch fighting and includes some really powerful elbow, among many other types of techniques
Maybe it's time to abandon the Olympics...
We are not seeing Karate any more. Karate Combat has quickly evolved into kickboxing. It has not been allowed to develop as a full-contact Karate event, because right from the start they started changing the rules to allow kickboxing techniques. And guess what? All the fighters are training in kickboxing/MuayThai - so kickboxing is what we're getting. A missed opportunity! I find the fights less interesting now than they were at the beginning.
Which rules do you feel make it kickboxing?
But karate combat is just kickboxing 😑 There is almost no karate to be find in those matches.
And guess what? Kickboxing is literally karate!
Karate Combat is just bad Kickboxing with high production value.
But i do like watching it though.
I wouldn't agree... you have no idea how much it changes things when you can takedown opponent.
Also sometimes the fighters forget about the technique and just swinging :)
@@j0van87,
Because it's not MMA.
@@lionsden4563 What's mind boggling is that there are MMA casuals who comment that Karate Combat is like MMA. But they don't explain with any point whatsoever for comparison.
@@combatsportsarchive7632,
Yes.
Blah, blah, blah…99.999999999999% of those interested Karate, Judo and etc., are interested in the ‘Self Defense’ aspect, as well as the ‘Martial Arts Instructors’ first and foremost, period. You didn’t grow up in the time period when and why Americans first started showing interest in these disciplines either. STOP misrepresenting the vast majority of practitioners as not being at the ‘UFC’ level of ‘Combat’ ready. Let’s see how well these UFC fighters due against two or more accomplished Martial Artists that really want to be ‘The bad guys’ with surprise attacks, ‘sucker punches’ and with or without weapons against a lone UFC fighters with nothing else, other than his or her’s, street attire.
You clearly haven’t seen my other videos lol
I’m 40 and grew up with my dad who’s 76 and did karate his whole life and i myself have taught numerous high level people and groups in close quarter combat.
@@inside_fighting - You “clearly” don’t get it! All your life, get real. By the way, about 80% of all ‘Systems’ (mostly mistaken for ‘Style’, which is the individuals makeup) are comparably similar. Which means, like college degrees, the prerequisites have already been completed, so starting ‘from scratch’ isn’t necessary. I’ve watched two of your videos…that was enough to unsubscribe from your channel. As a US ARMY Military Policeman, Stateside and Overseas, I dealt with ‘Trained Troops’ that had access to ALL sorts of weapons at their disposal. Your ever try to deal with a ‘Serviceman’ that’s pissed and could give two shits about ‘taken it to the limit’? As well as hostile enemy combatants, anywhere and anytime, after your life. You can have your ‘Combat Sport’. In the real world…good luck!
@@tevman69 are you Ok Ron?… you seem to be having some kind of panic attack over my videos….
my background and passion is in traditional martial arts so i have no idea what you are watching lol 🤷🏽♂️
My family is from the Middle East and knives and guns are part of daily life… I’m unsure what that has to do with my videos 😅
Is this about the ninjutsu video 🥹 are you a ninja and upset 🥹
@@inside_fighting - NO problem here! Again, you miss the message…
@@tevman69 admit it Ron… the ninjutsu video triggered you and you are secretly a ninja 😘
I love karate combat. But this stuff has nothing related to karate, except for their fancy pants. It’s just basic kickboxing with modified rule set.
Karate combat uses boxing punches with karate kicks, which was the basic origin of American kickboxing