I am still at a loss at how men who happily shared Tobias’ removed video can believe that 1) it doesn’t require a retraction on their part and 2) say it’s just an issue between Tobias and Joel. What other scenario could this be acceptable? At least say, hey that video I recommended you watch….new info has come to light and I actually now dont recommend you watch. ***AD says basically this to close the video.
It’s just crazy to me that they support, share, reiterate a video that was so full of lies that it was immediately removed… then when people say they need to respond, repent, etc they say sit down and shut up and be patient…. Then when the “response” comes out it’s a nonsense statement with the original person who lied. And now they’re just moving on to “well this is a big problem” and apparently are never going to address their original errors and slander. Very sad.
There is a proxy war, because perception is reality. Until I see a rebuke of what Tobias has said, I and others are operating based off that knowledge. You simply said what we are all seeing.
“Religions devised for a social purpose, like Roman emperor-worship or modern attempts to “sell” Christianity as a means of “saving civilisation,” do not come to much. The little knots of Friends who turn their backs on the “World” are those who really transform it.“ CS Lewis “The Four Loves”
If making this video brings you peace of mind then good for you, but everyone who listened to the original video in good faith understood what you meant. The sad truth is that you care more about them, than they care about you and everyone on your side.
Bro. Tim, I appreciate you and love your music! Aaaannd I learned a new word today: Pedantic: "Pedantic is a word used to describe someone who annoys others by correcting small errors, caring too much about minor details, or emphasizing their own expertise especially in some narrow or boring subject matter". Such a fitting word!
I’m surprised you missed Luke saying “he’s had to block guys I’ve shared in the Gospel because they’re spreading slanderous lies about us”, and yet, here he was… doing it about Joel Webbon. You always have the receipt though AD!
I didnt mention anything becuase Im not on facebook so didnt know the exact circumstances around the "slanderous lies" - many stories are coming in about what got people blocked by Luke, and they are basically exactly what youd expect. They asked questions about the tobias video and were answered with a block. Thats the slander. LOL
Last October I went to a service at Apologia church. It was great. However when I went to go partake in the Lord's supper... Pastor Luke in his board shorts, flip-flops, and baseball hat looked at me like I might not be deserving of it. That part was embarrassing for him. Embarrassing for his church. But the sermon was good.
This is what you get if you make the watchmen into princes. Lack of humility and a coarseness of habits. Happy to see if at least sometimes one is self correcting.
i originally said their side. but i was a little confusing becuase in the next sentence i changed it to a more general "you" which could easily be misconstrued to mean "you" as in luke, since i was talking to luke
My question still stands: what is the deal with them and this Tobias guy? I just dont understand. Why is he so special to them? I mean I get standing up for your friends but how do they not see they are showing undue partiality to this guy? It's like watching someone close to you in a relationship, platonic or romantic, with someone who is clearly not a good match or influence. No matter what evidence you present they're just like, "You dont know him like I do!" Mmmk, but this is not gonna end well... That is how the Tobias situation looks to me. Codependent really...
This has all gone too far. We live in an area that has many different synagogue s and we have several successful Evangelists to the Jews in our area of tge Greater Philadelphia area. Ww have to be very, very careful of our public witness to this community. Straighten up amd fly roght gentleman.
I believe Tobias has his own channel where he reposted that original video because, according to him, it's a pure as the wind-driven-snow. th-cam.com/video/bWDa_VUzKF8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Bps8ObpgY1XJJrLQ
AD, honest question: do you ever actually talk about Christ or the Gospel or is it just whatever current schoolgirl drama you and your "masculine" friends are wrapped up in?
It's starting to seem like Doug Wilson might be struggling with the "sin of vainglorious ethnic partiality of pro semitism". It's fine to criticize any other group, but nobody better say anything about this religious and or ethnic group. It kinda seems like he "got the call", the kind of "call" the broader evangelical community got about him years ago. 😂
Consider the implications of his being invited to speak at Reform Con and TPUSA. There will be plates spinning as one embargo comes down another is begun. But Moscow trained us for these types of situations.
Is there a rise in jew blaming and jew hatred within reformed church circles? That is a serious question never was it about critizing a certain ethnicity. Sadly, none of you men seem too concerned about actual antisemitism, Jew hatred in the church.
@@anitasmith203 I don't think there is a significant problem with antisemitism in reformed churches. There is some "anti-judaism" present, but there ought to be. That religion is profoundly contrary to the. Biblical faith. There may be a tiny number of real racists out there, but I think they are insignificant, and Moscow and Apologia are profoundly misguided in how they are trying to deal with them. I took a semester long course on the history of antisemitism and the Holocaust in college (in the 90s). The course was taught by a Jewish Rabbi (at an Evengelical University). He taught us that portions of the New Testament were "anti-judaic", being negative and hostile toward the Jewish religion. Note that anti-judaism is frequently incorrectly called antisemitism. As a Christian, I believe the Bible (Old and New Testaments) are inspired by God. If He is anti-judaic, then we should be also. There does seem to be a problem of a lack of honesty in some reformed churches. I get the strong impression that we are being gaslit.
Huge prob in the church . Believers have issue with each other and no one talks in person . Not over video and text messages in person . 1st Corinthians talks bout examine yourself it's one of James white key verses against paedocomunnion and he still taking communion and no one involved is doing really anything about it .
I can’t believe your laptop was charged enough to do this!
I am still at a loss at how men who happily shared Tobias’ removed video can believe that 1) it doesn’t require a retraction on their part and 2) say it’s just an issue between Tobias and Joel.
What other scenario could this be acceptable?
At least say, hey that video I recommended you watch….new info has come to light and I actually now dont recommend you watch. ***AD says basically this to close the video.
AD guarding against hyperliteral German criticism. Das is gut.
I am getting lost in the weeds and am starting to become grateful that I cam not even follow this(incomprehensible) anymore. Tim Keller was right.
Keller the Marxist was right?
Lol. Careful who you credit with rightness! Not sure Keller is as safe as we want.
@@lordflash4312 No, he was left.
@@johntobey1558What exactly was Keller right about?
Merry Christmas Robles family and to everyone. Christ is Lord!
They're not apologizing because they believe in what Tobias said.
When the critique is on key vs leading you know your critics have nothing of substance.
Bravo, AD, for seeking to be clear and precise, but it's tragic that we're at a place wherein we have to "lawyer" this thing to death!
It’s just crazy to me that they support, share, reiterate a video that was so full of lies that it was immediately removed… then when people say they need to respond, repent, etc they say sit down and shut up and be patient….
Then when the “response” comes out it’s a nonsense statement with the original person who lied. And now they’re just moving on to “well this is a big problem” and apparently are never going to address their original errors and slander. Very sad.
Tobias uploaded the video on a new channel. It's the same one with his month later response.
Yeah, Durbin and Pierson have been careful about their direct words but they have pushed the Tobias narrative. It's a bit weaselly to me.
It was clear enough to me but I'm a reasonable person.
Emergency video without emergency warning siren is pretty sus. Blink SOS you’re being held hostage, AD.
Thank you for your integrity and honesty. That is precisely what this controversy (which is FAR too public and lengthy) needs.
There is a proxy war, because perception is reality. Until I see a rebuke of what Tobias has said, I and others are operating based off that knowledge. You simply said what we are all seeing.
Reasonable AD strikes again!! Well done, even if unnecessary, God bless you.
Day 196 of asking for an Unreasonable Latino take.
“Religions devised for a social purpose, like Roman emperor-worship or modern attempts to “sell” Christianity as a means of “saving civilisation,” do not come to much. The little knots of Friends who turn their backs on the “World” are those who really transform it.“
CS Lewis “The Four Loves”
Amen. Christianity wasn’t meant to “save civilizations.” It can vastly improve a civilization but never save it.
If making this video brings you peace of mind then good for you, but everyone who listened to the original video in good faith understood what you meant. The sad truth is that you care more about them, than they care about you and everyone on your side.
The reason you had to do this vid is *largely* because of the overly-pedantic nature of your critics.
100% true. Durbin, White, and Apologia, as a whole have been very pedantic in this mess.
@@joshuascott7205One might even call it pilpul.
Bro. Tim, I appreciate you and love your music! Aaaannd I learned a new word today: Pedantic: "Pedantic is a word used to describe someone who annoys others by correcting small errors, caring too much about minor details, or emphasizing their own expertise especially in some narrow or boring subject matter". Such a fitting word!
@@Razaiel Haha, another great word! Man, today feels like I have been to class lol
@ReallyReformed97 No worries. Looks like my comment got deleted, that's one of the words that triggers the algorithmic censors.
I’m surprised you missed Luke saying “he’s had to block guys I’ve shared in the Gospel because they’re spreading slanderous lies about us”, and yet, here he was… doing it about Joel Webbon. You always have the receipt though AD!
I didnt mention anything becuase Im not on facebook so didnt know the exact circumstances around the "slanderous lies" - many stories are coming in about what got people blocked by Luke, and they are basically exactly what youd expect. They asked questions about the tobias video and were answered with a block. Thats the slander. LOL
Very reasonable
Last October I went to a service at Apologia church. It was great. However when I went to go partake in the Lord's supper... Pastor Luke in his board shorts, flip-flops, and baseball hat looked at me like I might not be deserving of it. That part was embarrassing for him. Embarrassing for his church. But the sermon was good.
Your point is crystal clear. Good job.
This is what you get if you make the watchmen into princes. Lack of humility and a coarseness of habits. Happy to see if at least sometimes one is self correcting.
Excellent clarification.
Merry Christmas brother! 🎄
Well done, brother
I think you needed to clarify this, bro. It did sound like Luke said this. But when you say, their side, that's different
i originally said their side. but i was a little confusing becuase in the next sentence i changed it to a more general "you" which could easily be misconstrued to mean "you" as in luke, since i was talking to luke
Is this peak reasonableness? Self-admonishment? The Spirit is so gracious.
Day 226 of asking for an Unreasonable Latino take.
What a reasonable (tm) take for unreasonable times
Merry Christmas AD!
Reasonable
My question still stands: what is the deal with them and this Tobias guy? I just dont understand. Why is he so special to them? I mean I get standing up for your friends but how do they not see they are showing undue partiality to this guy? It's like watching someone close to you in a relationship, platonic or romantic, with someone who is clearly not a good match or influence. No matter what evidence you present they're just like, "You dont know him like I do!" Mmmk, but this is not gonna end well... That is how the Tobias situation looks to me. Codependent really...
This has all gone too far. We live in an area that has many different synagogue s and we have several successful Evangelists to the Jews in our area of tge Greater Philadelphia area. Ww have to be very, very careful of our public witness to this community. Straighten up amd fly roght gentleman.
Typing skills be damned
Genuinely curious: what do you mean you have to be careful? Again asking purely out of curiosity.
I'm triggered in the chat.
Stop apologizing to these men.
Reporting for in-school.
I don’t know if I have said this before but I love the cctv filter brother it’s a nice touch
You’re in the clear AD since James White and that side implicate people for the sins of everyone they retweet.
I believe Tobias has his own channel where he reposted that original video because, according to him, it's a pure as the wind-driven-snow.
th-cam.com/video/bWDa_VUzKF8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Bps8ObpgY1XJJrLQ
Good because the tune this guy has been singing is Gay!
So, is it time to call them the Moscow Mafia?
AD, honest question: do you ever actually talk about Christ or the Gospel or is it just whatever current schoolgirl drama you and your "masculine" friends are wrapped up in?
Why do u hate jewish people?
"honest question" 🤣
@justinedwards6390 I'm genuinely curious. I've never heard him talk about the Gospel.
@@JW-tg1nnI hear the gospel in every word AD says
😂 thanks for watching.
Best video ever uploaded to TH-cam!
It's starting to seem like Doug Wilson might be struggling with the "sin of vainglorious ethnic partiality of pro semitism". It's fine to criticize any other group, but nobody better say anything about this religious and or ethnic group. It kinda seems like he "got the call", the kind of "call" the broader evangelical community got about him years ago. 😂
Consider the implications of his being invited to speak at Reform Con and TPUSA. There will be plates spinning as one embargo comes down another is begun. But Moscow trained us for these types of situations.
Is there a rise in jew blaming and jew hatred within reformed church circles? That is a serious question never was it about critizing a certain ethnicity. Sadly, none of you men seem too concerned about actual antisemitism, Jew hatred in the church.
@@anitasmith203 I don't think there is a significant problem with antisemitism in reformed churches. There is some "anti-judaism" present, but there ought to be. That religion is profoundly contrary to the. Biblical faith.
There may be a tiny number of real racists out there, but I think they are insignificant, and Moscow and Apologia are profoundly misguided in how they are trying to deal with them.
I took a semester long course on the history of antisemitism and the Holocaust in college (in the 90s). The course was taught by a Jewish Rabbi (at an Evengelical University).
He taught us that portions of the New Testament were "anti-judaic", being negative and hostile toward the Jewish religion.
Note that anti-judaism is frequently incorrectly called antisemitism.
As a Christian, I believe the Bible (Old and New Testaments) are inspired by God. If He is anti-judaic, then we should be also.
There does seem to be a problem of a lack of honesty in some reformed churches. I get the strong impression that we are being gaslit.
@anitasmith203 they aren't concerned with it because they encourage it.
Really tired of these gay word policers going after AD.
Huge prob in the church . Believers have issue with each other and no one talks in person . Not over video and text messages in person . 1st Corinthians talks bout examine yourself it's one of James white key verses against paedocomunnion and he still taking communion and no one involved is doing really anything about it .
Apologia has said multiple times that the dispute between Tobias and Joel is a character dispute between brothers and they want nothing to do with it.
probably shouldnt have shared the key video about it if they wanted nothing to do with it. lol
You should say happy holidays
Came for the repentance, left with the cope 😢
Tobias Ree-ber-schee-ber!
This is what happens when you deal with people engaged in a proxy war.
Very reasonable