Im just realizing that conditional finality was forshadowing what Final Shape would add. We all thought it was a random crazy exotic but it was a taste of whats to come.
I think the whole raid was foreshadowing that idea. Resurrecting dark beings using the light no? Just to see those beings granted access to light and darkness.
Then the idea was that the condition to achieve finality is death. Ultimately I think we are being tricked into killing the witness. Cause he can only be granted the light through death. Just my speculation though.
Actually they Forshadowed the Prismatic when they "Accidently" added a shader called "Prismatic" and they said "That shader doesn't Exist so we will be removing it in the next update" Which they did!. This was before the Root of Nightmares was even a thing.
@@darkstar_sierra1588 huh? I think that was obviously understood. I think all aspects of the raid are foreshadowing a grander aspect of converging light and darkness. That is what was articulated from my perspective.
What makes it a new class and not just every class is that they are not adding everything to it. Instead you have to balance light and dark skills they choose.
@projectxrapture Yeah but let's take well for example. If you want to run well do you really care if you can run sunbracers and phoenix protocol together if you can run well? There are a bunch of things like that.
Bro… pls use your brain. Do you honestly think Bungie will limit us just to what we are getting in TFS? This is just the beginning they’re gonna keep adding more to it. That’s why D3 makes sense they are trying to remove the other subclasses and just make prismatic our main tree
@blebreton06 Not at all! It'll be amazing mixing different status effects together. It'll be great but different. Combos will be amazing in their own unique ways.
@@thomash8513 sunbracers warlock is good, but I can imagine in some areas the shear amount of add clear along with devour on warlock could have its uses
@@EepyGirlLava nope if it’s not a gm sunbracers is just better it could be ur only form of ad clear and u would be fine like during a boss encounter if u have to burst down a major and don’t wanna use izi ammo u could just put on a shotgun and use sunbracers for ad clear there’s no cost to it unless u whiff the melee
I genuinely think Prismatic is going to be a similar experience to multicasting in D&D. Mechanically, in D&D you multiclass to either get wider utility, or to specialize in a very specific way that can't be achieved via a single class. And not everybody multiclasses in D&D even in tables that use it, so it'll likely be the same for going mono-element vs Prismatic in Destiny as well.
It's the only reason why we're able to. To an extent I think this is something it wanted all along. It seems to be big on experimenting and research and maybe it gave us Stasis as a gift just to see what happens when a Light bearer has access to Darkness abilities.
All I'm saying is that if Hunters can get Gyrfalcons AND Orpheus Rigs on the Exotic Class item, that'll be Void Hunter perfected. Super: Deadfall Tether Class Ability: Gamblers Dodge Jump: Triple Melee: Combination Blow Grenade: Either Duskfield or Grapple (doesn't really matter though Duskfield allows more Slow stacks for Stylish Executioner) Aspects: Winters Shroud + Stylish Executioner Fragments: Facet of Dawn, Protection, Bravery, etc. Exotic Class Item: Gyrfalcons + Orpheus Rig This builds gameplay loop is very similar to an Assassins Cowl Arc Hunter. You throw a duskfield nade and kill the hit enemy with a powered melee to start building the Combination Blow loop. This will slow nearby enemies every time you dodge allowing your Stylish Executioner to proc. We've essentially replaced Void Hunters weakest part of the kit (the melee) with an entire Assassins Cowl Arc hunter build. And combined Void Hunters 2 strongest Exotics. Aswell as given them Slow effects every time they dodge. (which is all the time). We get Radiant + Unraveling Rounds (Swordbreaker 1-2 punch). EDIT: To all those who have only half their brains working, Prismatic Hunter has Deadfall Tether and Stylish Executioner.
Sadly the class item perks seem to only be partial exotic traits. So even if you could get both, I don't think you'd be able to get the major benefits from both. At most it would be the faster reloading and the finisher weapon damage boost, at least as far as I've seen from the exotic class items so far.
@@NoHandsJames Nobody uses Gyrfalcons for the weapon damage boost though. Its soul identity is applying Volatile rounds while invisible. Everything else is the extra random stuff.
In the "leak" that Paul Tassi reviewed in his Forbes article, it said Bungie was working towards making all classes and subclasses irrelevant by allowing you to choose whatever abilities and whatever supers you want. I would love to see this. I've been hoping for it since Strand was announced in the Lightfall Vidoc. Prismatic is clearly beta testing for that eventuality. Since it is only beta testing, I can easily say no, Prismatic will not kill our current builds. But one day, probably a D3 day, hopefully, it will. Right now I'm contemplating Felwinter's Helm with Lightning Surge and Arcane Needle for three charges of a jolting/suppressing melee. If there is a Spirit of Felwinter's and Spirit of Assassin's Cowl exotic class item...💯
My thoughts exactly bro, Just like how Halo reach abilities was basically a beta/test for D1, Prismatic is defiantly a beta test to whats to come for D3.
The missing Titan aspects are huge things to lose out on: Banner of War, Into the Fray, Roaring Flames, Sol Invictus, Touch of Thunder, Howl of the Storm, Bastion, and Offensive Bulwark. RIP almost all survivability and dps melee builds. Also, not being able to use Burning Maul or Sentinel Shield is a let-down for sure. Hunters are left mostly intact, missing a couple of important aspects but they have a lot of good options to choose from. I think prismatic hunters will suffer the least compared to what we have now. Warlocks are in the middle, missing a few key abilities like Well of Radiance, Ice Flare Bolts, Touch of Flame, Mindspun Invocation, Wanderer, Arc Soul, Child of the Old Gods, Chaos Accelerant, and Chaos Reach. Prismatic will be very good in the neutral game, but there are some builds which will never be obsolete, (*especially* for titans).
Hunters aren't in a good spot either. It's basically arc hunter without the need for Cowl but less damage because of no lethal current aspect. That's pretty much the only end game scaling build. The new super and aspect are much more pvp than pve, yay we can helicopter spin, thanks bungie the rest of our kit outside of dps supers is still so far behind other classes. Warlocks definitely won with the new solar aspect and super, devour access, and a rework to how bleakwatcher interacts with other statuses like devour. Titans still have some juice with 3x consecration and knockout is a lifesaver but yeah no banner sucks. The new shield could be super good but IMO Warlocks won, titan second, hunters last (unless it's a patrol zone).
Hunters are only mostly intact because outside of like 2 or 3 exotics, the only good ones are for our supers and everything is gunplay. Even some of the good exotics, still gun centric to the max rather than space magic. Even then with some testing I'm sure I'd rather use arc or void than prismatic, and void has 0 offense
@@Kurama1732 I guess you haven't used Void hunter then because it's one of the best for enemy dense end game content. Warlocks definitely retained some good aspects, but hunters maintained the best available abilities by far, (save for blade barrage). Titans got the best abilities, supers, and aspects neutered from them, except for glacier and pulse grenades, thunderclap, and consecration, (I don't use this aspect much because Synthoceps+infinite hammer makes most content trivial). There's no source of healing at all except for knockout, (which isn't the greatest but something), no grapple melee, and very few viable options to choose from at the end of the day.
@@twentyoneten4207 half of the grenade won't work against bosses ahaha. Also, the grenade doesn't explode on hit, similar to Incendiary grenade, it bounces around before exploding.
Warlock main here, we are also the only Prismatic class to have a Solar healing nade. Not that it matters too much with weapons that can heal. I actually think for once Warlock got the best out of the bunch apart from not having Prismatic Well.
@@twentyoneten4207I felt that the warlock one was more underwhelming to me. It feels small compared to the giant boom of pris titan. I think hunter one is best no question in terms of look and power but I wish that they release new grenades throughout the seasons. After all, they have a dedicated section to it. It would make sense to have like one for each darkness subclass. Ie hunter gets a grenade that grapples (maybe creates point) and has like a void grenade burst of seeking void grenades that detonates every time you grapple to it or melee something.
It will, because bungie wants it to be overpowered at launch, and at first everybody will love it. After a few weeks (days?) people will start to complain, then streamers will complain and make videos about it, then bungie nerfs everything into the ground. Circle of life.
@@hatchell18 golden gun> blade barrage, vanishing step=afk play stile the invis option you can get is fantastic since you have INFINITE MELEE OPTION WITH STRAND, other combo aspect > whirling maestrom, for the nades yeah but you have infinite ignition nade options
@@ilredelnulla9837 ugh no lol. Blade barrage is way better than golden gun. The ONLY reason golden gun is better rn is because of this seasons solar mods making it busted. It’ll go back to barely ever being used after this season lol
My only issue with this is I hope there’s different looks for the class items because as a hunter main I personally don’t like the look of the cloak at all
The question is entirely dependent whether or not more abilities, supers and aspects will be added. For instance, solar grenades aren’t there, and so the raw ad clear of sunbracers is gone. Well of Raidence, despite a possible nerf, will still be needed for raids. Some builds will rendered moot, but certain ones will remain top tier The best example is strand titans. Pulse grenades, consecration and overshields likely won’t be enough to justify giving up the sheer survivability of Banner of War Exotic Class Items are not going to replace all exotics, since their perks are watered down versions of two exotics. Some exotics will be negated, while others will be better for prismatic than their default class. Two of the best examples are Celestial nighthawk and Osimancy gloves Nighthawk will good to make up for the lack of knock em down and star eater blade barrage, since it was never affected by knock em down to begin with Osimancy will let you have two coldsnap grenades to turn into bleak watchers while also having feed the void
Exactly. I want to keep Banner of War so my time with Prismatic will be limited to patrol and low level activities, if ever. I know they obviously can't bring everything in but this feels like a melting pot of undesirable traits and aspects. They'll probably nerf stuff like BoW again to try to push everyone into using Prismatic, though. That seems like the Bungie thing to do here.
Prismatic is literally the healthiest way bungie has gone about making a subclass in a hot minute. It seems restricted in a way that makes it sorta broken without making it flat out overkill. I’m certain they’ll add to it over time
Someone finally said what I was thinking. There is so much left off the table that I can't see Prismatic being the end all be all. That being said. I'll be in heaven if I find a war rig + precious scars class item.
@@synth_pulse3098 For me. It's Lorelai at home but without the need to burn my barricade and in team play, not need banner of war. And the biggest kicker. It isn't class locked. So if I'm slaying out in PVE with stasis for instance, I'm already rocking a stasis weapon with headstone. If I don't need Hoarfrost Z, it's still a good backup exotic. And while using Tommy's Matchbook. If I'm killing with scorches and ignitions, the overheat will never bring me down past half shield.
The jack of all trades master of none idea I think works really well here. It’s not going to over take certain builds but it will be very good and a welcome edition to the game. It honestly reminds me of dnd bards. Flexibility in what you can do but not so much that you eclipse everything else.
I think the best way to deal with it is to eliminate some of those stat penalties on stronger fragments - but only on the core subclasses, not for primsatic.
I feel like the only thing i feel will be super stront in prismatic is going to be conditional hunter, but thats just because of how it synergizes with aspects and you can even go invis on conditional kills. (Pvp is absolutely screwed when that comes out)
I doubt it. The Prismatic subclass is more of a “Jack of All Trades, Master of None”. It can do everything, but only our current subclasses can do something well. To illustrate, the Prismatic Warlock has Bleak Watcher, which could be paired with Feed the Void to give Devour on ability blows (which can also be procced by a shatter final blow on a target frozen by a Stasis ability), but only Shadebinder can pair Bleak Watcher with Iceflare Bolts, which drastically improves your ability to freeze targets. You can argue that the sustain abilities of Devour are more valuable, but keep in mind that we will be getting a new Stasis Keyword in Final Shape: Frost Armor. And you can bet that the Stasis subclasses will be able to get access to Frost Armor much easier than Prismatic when it comes to us.
Also keep in mind that not all Exotic armor perks will be used. Example since Warlocks wont have Solar Grenades in Prismatic, Sunbracers wont be featured in the Exotic Class item, and would make that Exotic useless for the subclass. That is just one of many examples. So there is still going to be many reasons why to use the other subclasses and builds.
I feel like Prismatic will in no way make single element builds obsolete but it will definitely allow us to reach greater potential taking advantage of all burn element modifiers.
Something I'm really excited about is to see, basically, the OPPOSITE of the Tommy's Matchbook situation. I want to see how weapons like Touch of Malice who have struggled to find their way in the D2 sandbox might interact with Pristmatic. Maybe having access to devour + restoration + woven mail will give a weapon like Touch of Malice it's opportunity to shine finally. With those fragments supporting kinetic weapons and possibly others to come, it could make Prismatic ALSO be the kinetic subclass that people have been waiting for too. I'm so unbelievably excited
Perfect way to make a whole subclass unused and unpopular after a few weeks of the hype wearing off. Call me crazy but it feels rushed and half assed because they needed a new subclass for the expansion to not flop.
@@silverag3169 I think it’s a perfect way to buff these unused parts of our subclasses and merge them into something awesome. I’m cautiously excited about this new subclass. But yeah this definitely had to be just freshly made due to feedback they received
@FrostieTS Honestly your positive attitude is awesome and I truely hope you have a blast with everything. Im just a pessimist when it comes to d2 I suppose.
@@silverag3169 I get it. I’ve been playing since alpha d1. Seen the highs and lows of bungie through destiny 1 and 2. I’m just enjoying the ride to wherever this story ends at and take it from there.
I think that Prismatic is to be a sign of what to look for in Destiny 3… That Prismatic is to be the SOLE “Subclass”, with ALL the current and future elements being collapsed into it, and that builds from then on become all about either specializing in 1 Element (Like have it so the more focused you are in 1 element, the more “attuned” to it you are, and receive appropriate buffs for it) OR you mix and match, and gain buffs that are only possible from experimenting with cross-elemental interactions. There needs to be a reason where either going full combo OR remaining an elemental purist can stand toe to toe with each other.
Well, they said that ONLY when equipping the prismatic subclass you will be able to use the class item exotic...So for instance the strand titan punch everything with the force of a super build(ONLY USING: a shotgun, an aspect and an exotic armor piece) will still be better than the different light and darkness abilities all together in one...
I think exotic class items will NOT fade normal exotics out of existence. The main reason for this is because some exotics can only be used by certain classes. For example, In the trailer a titan used his barricade to create the suspending wave from drengrs lash, but it was not a barricade. But rather the stasis crystal wall from Hoarfrost Z. So if you want that awesome suspending stasis crystal class ability, you will need to run Hoarfrost Z. Other classes dont have a barricade, so I imagine "Spirit of the Hoarfrost" will not be a perk option for exotic class items. Exotic class items will only be an option if you want to run class-neutral exotics, like assassins cowl and ophidian aspects.
I think one big item to look forward to is the 3rd Darkness Subclass. I think people overlooked that even tho Prismatic is a new subclass, it's not the 6th Elemental one. Meaning when we do get the Red Subclass, not only will it have a stand alone build, but will also have to be built into the existing Prismatic subclass as well.
Yeah, a new subclass now had exponentially more to offer the game than strand or stasis did, when they showed up. And if we get new aspects for existing subclasses maybe they'll eventually expand the pool of options for prismatic to more than 1, making it again, even more exciting🙃
@@aljazslemc9569yeah. Then they could add three grenades for each subclass to match as the seasons progress. I hope that as these seasons move on that at least one extra grenade to fill out the other darkness class. My ideas are void and strand hunter grenade with grapple point being created while you grapple. When casting grapple or hitting melee it will create those void seekers (from point or you depending on how they are obtained). I just realized that the one fragment may be nutty with it but whatever it’s transcendence Solar and strand for warlock. Could be a healing grenade threadling combo in which you throw a zone down that pulses out threadlings and cures and heals when you are hit with it. You could switch healing grenade for another part but that makes most sense to me. Titan would be stasis arc (upon writing this I realize that this won’t have the variation I want so that sucks but o well) It will create a crystal wall that puts out a blinding pulse every now and then. Shattering those will unleash a huge blinding explosion. I think those are the best options
I feel like we'll either get the 3rd darkness subclass in the last episode of Final Shape, or as the main selling point of post Final Shape content. Alternatively, they are keeping it under wraps for now, to maximize last minute hype generation.
I've been thinking this too. I genuinely think that prismatic builds will just be neutered versions of what we have now. the triple strand melee + consecration titan sounds good on paper but the truth is that keeping your melee charge up is already not a very hard ask for that build. you get your melee back constantly which kind of trivializes having 3 charges on prismatic, and i'm not sure how well that build will fare without roaring flames. hopefully knockout makes up for this, though. The bleakwatcher build with devour sounds good on paper until you realize that devour proccs off of ability kills, and your turrets barely ever actually kill anthing, they freeze and you kill them with a weapon. pair that with the fact you lose iceflare bolts and it's also hard to see how good that build will actually be at hardd cc'ing like its pure stassis counterpart. The liars handshake build for hunters does seem nutty but like cross mentioned in the video, losing lethal current and flow state is a pretty big hit against that build too. where prismatic will most likely excell is in creating actual new builds. creating a bunch of threaded specters with comb blow, or using comb blow for filthy grapple melee damage sounds like an entirely new playstyle to me and can't be replicated on pure arc/strand subclasses. I really do hope they add SOME, more abilities (especially nades and aspects), not all, into prismatic down the line. There are def strong synergies to experiment with here but I can't help but feel like the current lineup (at least to our current knowledge) doesn't really fulfill the whole "make your own truly unique guardian" fantasy they were selling in the vidoc.
I have two big fears about prismatic, from the perspective of an endgame titan main: 1. Not all abilities are created equal within a single class. On Titan knockout is clearly the best aspect, so much so that I can't see myself making a build without it. Frenzied Blade is clearly the best melee option, and there is no reason to run any others (unless they give us melting point back on hammer strike). Knockout, Consecration, Frenzied Blade, Shackle Grenade, and Thundercrash is the main build I'm looking at. Then in transcendence, your new grenade is just a better shackle grenade, so it'll flow nicely. 2. For damage phases, I'm worried that the best option for exotic class item will be star eaters + ophidians. These two exotic effects will absolutely juice every loadout you could have, no matter what weapon or super you're using to take down a boss (to be clear, you're using Thundercrash unless they've really updated twilight arsenal since the video showcase).
I’m looking for a combination of star eaters and apothethosis veil with the new warlock solar super. I’d like to see what kind of damage you can bring.
it is my understanding all of our abilities an supers an classes will be on one screen an from the drop down options we will be able to select what we want to pair together. Im not certain they will keep the other subclasses completely separate with there own screen because ... no one will rock anything else for so many reasons.
I love the idea of prismatic. And exotic class items will be cool. I just hope they can be Transmoged and shaded. What we have seen I give it a 8/10 I hope the campaign is even better
They'll most likely have shaders but transmog wouldn't be there. It's an exotic, generally in PVP people need to see the exotic you're rocking. It will probably have ornaments instead.
@@johndoe1274 the problem is it'll already be randomized. It doesn't matter if you see an exotic class item if that item can be whatever exotic that's in the game.
I may be biased, but as a warlock main, the aspect I’m noticing the absence of most is iceflare bolts. Bleak watcher is undeniably powerful, but imo iceflare is a borderline essential part of the shadebinder kit, and the fact that it isn’t available to prismatic shows pretty clearly that eclipsing the other subclasses isn’t their intention, so while prismatic may be absolutely busted on launch, the tweaks made to it will be in the mindset of the other subclasses having at least comparable power.
I feel the hype at start , after calming down i learned that exotic class item doesnt work with mono subclass and prismantic has massive limitations so basically killed it . Underrated abilities/fragment its not used for a reason its just weak .
tbh i think these are the rankings for titan at least; titan; 1. solar titan (because of pyro-gale being such an insane passive dps & utility) 2. strand titan (because it's healing is not as consistent as solar's and it has difficulty with exploding type enemies, forcing you to run an add clear weapon) 3. void titan (because of devour and bonking tormentors) 4. prismatic titan (because it doesn't really have any healing and it's synergy is only really good for gm content with external healing; and obvious it's just a better arc titan build) 5. arc titan (because it's by far the worst in all aspects of the game compared to the other subclasses
The exotic perk combos will be insane. Imagine hoil with skullfort's perk or wormgods with skullfort or armamentaruim with ashen wake or second chances with doomfang. The possibilities are endless
Titans do not get fusion grenades on prismatic, and the exotic class piece is only for prismatic, so ashen wake will not work. Sentinel shield is also not on prismatic titan, so doomfang will only give the void weapon damage buff and super energy on melee kills, which is still good.
I don't think they have shown 2 exotics from the same class , not saying there won't be but as far as I'd seen they are different classes exotics mixed
@@epitome278 not with perks, but you do see a titan proc drengr's lash, kepri's horn and hoarfrost-z passives all at once. it was at the end of the trailer
The lmg the Titan is using apparently had a perk that applies "ability rampage", it stacks up to 3x at 4:00. Bungie said the area above the super bar is for weapon perk/ability text so it has to be a perk. Could it be as simple as rampage but for abilities? Get weapon kills to increase ability damage that stacks 3x like normal rampage? We don't currently have a weapon perk like that. Warlocks have Verity's Brow with Death Throws which does that, but for weapons we only have perks that buff weapon damage with ability kills or increase recharge rates, not the damage of the abilities themselves.
The only thing that makes me sad about prismatic is that it is pretty much a gaurantee that light and dark subclasses will permanently be uneven. 2 dark subclasses forever and 3 light subclasses forever. The ultimate ocd hell.
I think they were right when they said this is advanced build crafting. Because with prismatic you are EXPECTED to build craft. There are many specific synergies available but little generalised bonuses. You need to tie everything with your weapons or a build won’t work. Then basic classes give you the freedom adjust your weapons as necessary. I think basic classes are going to be the main way to experience hard content as no one wants to give up a welllock, or a bubble titan, or even give up invis hunter in solo Lost sectors. I’ve noticed a lot of fragile transcendence builds, but without healing grenade and double restoration benefits, I see transcendence as glass cannon content farmers that are really fun, but not meant for master raids unless your ad clear.
You know what's funny? Today i was thinking about combing subclasses together, like having the invisibility of void and the movement of strand, and here we are.
Stylish exicutioner mixed with combination blow spunds crazy. A melee from invis causes weaken. Killing the weakened enemy returns you to invis. The damage stacks up with each kill. It's like assassins cowl, but without the need for the exotic anymore.
One thing I noticed which is for sure going to be abused you can refill transcendence while it is active meaning that you can have infinite ability uptime buff and guess what transcendence is increased by using abilities so it encourages ability use but this can be broken.
Had me worried for a minute when you said we aren't getting everything from all subclasses on prismatic. But, frenzied blade and consecration are there so I'm happy
It sounds like well is getting hella nerfed anyway so warlocks are no longer obligated to run well. Although it's going to make endgame activities way more challenging.
what will likely kill old classes is that one can just ignore what prismatic is intended for and build mono-element (if allowed) while using the extra fragments/aspects slots to build a super mono class instead of the hybrid prismatic is intended to be... though it seems you get only ONE aspects for every subclass. For the exotics, the good ones will be really hard to obtain, many exotics may not appear in the new exotics, and the effects of the new exotics may be weaker.
Warlock PVE: Feed the Void and Stacy, healing grenade. Devour should keep you healed, but a healing grenade emergency is nice. You should be getting grenades quickly due to devour. Warlock PVP: Lightning Surge and Weavers Call, arcane needle. Blink into a Phoenix Dive to launch threadlings, clean up with a lightning surge melee.
It'd be interesting to see if they'd take certain abilities from exotics intended to work with specific supers and make them broader on the class items. Like Celestial Nighthawk's one-hit super conversion being given to a warlock, making their arc laser have a momentary duration in a tradeoff for exceptional damage.
What I think would be a good limit to the exotic class items (and what I actually think will be the case) is 1. There won’t be so many options for exotic perks, and 2. You can only take exotic perks from classes other than your own. The second limit would still make it so actual class specific exotics useable, and I believe this will be the case because in the gameplay showcase they describe the exotic class items as “taking things from other classes and making them yours” as well as never seeing an exotic class item contain an exotic perk from an exotic of the same class as the guardian that was wearing it. Whenever we saw exotic class item perks they were always perks from exotics other than the class that was wearing them.
My main guess for the balancing act is that the new Aspects and Supers we're getting with Final Shape and Beyond will also be added to their associated elemental Subclass since that is how they were initially presented to us and shown in gameplay previews half a year ago.
On the contrary, we still have slots available for other fragments in each subclass. There is still room to build onto each with another 2 slot fragment.
BRUH I thought , at least within your specific class, you could pick ANY Super, any melee, any grenade, and any aspect or fragment. But it seems they picked and chose only five of each from the subclasses and the fragments especially is disappointing because they're premade fragments (some of them sound juicy) for Prismatic and it won't just let you pick the ones you want from each subclass. I knew it was too good to be true but hopefully the exotic class item has less restrictions given they drop with random rolls, you have to farm to get the roll with the specific perks you're looking for
This is a great start. In destiny 3 they should do it like souls game where you choose a class at the beginning with some stats but you can change your stats as you continue the game and build a different character to whatever you want. If you want to be completely a brute Titan you can build that but if you want to be a heavy handed warlock you can do that as well.
Them releasing this subclass with final shape makes a lot of sense because canonically ikora Rey is one of the few guardians the prismatic ability which is one of the things that make her one of the strongest guardians
Looking at the screenshots of the prismatic UI, there’s two icons under transcendence. To me it looks like we may also be able to changeout the special transcendence grenade and some kind of native effect but I just be speculating 😎
You can allready have a kinda cracked void/strand build if you have the new recluse with destabilizing rounds/repulsor brace, constant volatile and unraveling while having void overshield and woven mail at the same time.
Bungie showed us Strand having us think the grapple would break the game, and it was the most balanced subclass ever. i have hope for Prismatic in that sense!
For my warlock, all the prismatic powers are exactly how I like to play already when I’m not the Well. I can’t see myself using anything else. The other classes are missing combos I love to use. I’ll probably switch it up more often with them.
I do hope they consider adding individual “transcendent” grenades to the other elements but purely focused on said elements. I don’t really wanna change from a shatter-skate revenant all too much. It’s just how I prefer playing
I know nobody will read this, but i think there might be another exotic set they have not revealed because on the list of exotic class item aspects, there is one that is called "aspect of the bear" and no exotic explicitly has the name of bear, with ursa furiosa being closest. But i could see that it being a ursa furiosa change to include a unbreakable aspect buff.
Notice how the abilities are all overlapping with their current “subclass stuns” going to be tearing through buildcrafting. And make it so you might be able to stun all three champion types in one subclass. But since it lacks the focus of current builds it may not be able to do specific things. Like take void hunter for instance has gotten very popular in the last three days, you can add stasis and water down its synergy for sure. Same time a tether with our withering blades seems pretty good.
I really don't think it'll ruin any current builds, like he mentions in the video, there's plenty of aspects and fragments that you just won't be able to utilize in Prismatic and those aspects and fragments are what make the current subclasses so good. I'm also really interested to see if we may be get some kind of double element exotic weapon. Think about it, Stacey's revolves around being able to use both dark and light subclasses simultaneously, I wonder if we might get a new exotic weapon with light follower in the raid similar to conditional finality, but instead of switching modes it just has two modes at the same time all the time.
Prismatic seems more like evolution than a straight up replacement. Although it may be the first step toward leaving the old subclasses behind EVENTUALLY. Being able to run a combination of skills like this makes a lot of sense and I'd gladly take it even if it means leaving the old classes in the dust.
Some part of me thinks that the usage rates of Prismatic will largely depend on what rolls you get on the class armour exotic. For example, if your best class armour exotic is a combination of chromatic fire and mask of bakris, yeah I would understand not using Prismatic, but for example, if you beat exotic was a combination of something like verity’s brow and heart of inmost light, or star eaters and falling sun star, yeah, you’d probably use Prismatic.
Given that a lot of the really good aspects/fragments won't be available for Prismastic, it'll still be beneficial to use the standard light/dark classes. It'll be good to see how it work, though!
I think that staying on one subclass will still be viable. We have the exotic class items coming that can essentially double down on exotic perks. Also I noticed that the subclass buffs like amplified and radiant on Prismatic were very short, like 4 seconds. Prismatic will definitely be useful and fun, but I still think rocking a full Stasis or Solar build will be a good choice depending on the situation.
What I’m curious to know is if the class item perks have to be neutral all around, or if each class item will have unique perks specific to the class. All the perks shown seemed to be neutral like adding ignitions to melee kills, adding an extra class item charge, or ophidian handling in general. There was no specific perks shown that can only interact with a single class such as celestial nighthawk.
I think it would make sense to start migrating things over to prismatic over the course of time and eventually sunset the old subclasses and make it an “even” playing field
Other exotic armors will still be usable and in some cases optimal. The spirit benefit from the class item will give SOME perk abilities from an exotic but not all. Basically the main perk, and not necessarily at the same rate as the actual exotic in some cases, possibly. Definitely will be a great addition, though. Sounds exciting.
I think there’s still going to be a place for builds outside of prismatic. I mean at least from the looks of it prismatic doesn’t get access to some of the best solar warlock stuff like well of radiance, heat rises, and icarus dash for PvP and general movement. And the lack of heat rises also means phoenix dive doesn’t get the restoration and apply scorch to nearby enemies which the instant heal from cure is nice but that’s it. And it doesn’t appear to have access to solar grenades or touch of flame meaning the flying angel of destruction sunbracers build doesn’t work with prismatic. And that’s just one build on one subclass, prismatic will offer much more possibilities but there will still be many builds that do things prismatic simply can’t. Overall at least for warlocks prismatic doesn’t allow for those ignition or volatile builds that cause chain reaction explosions to wipe out crowds in seconds while also refunding huge amounts of ability energy, at least they will not be even slightly as effective. And it doesn’t have as easy of access to restoration without sacrificing the utility and power of a damage dealing grenade, which it might not be as strong as it once was but restoration x2 is still no joke, and I’m not sure if prismatic has a fragment that extends the duration let alone adds duration on kills.
I’d imagine the current exotics we have will have its use with Prismatic ijs unless the builds for Prismatic is very specific considering they say the builds are mostly off-meta.
So far it’s to my belief they are limiting the exotics that will be part of the exotic class items to things that purely effect neutral abilities as opposed to those that buff specific class abilities or class exclusive effects. Synthos, assassins cowl and star eaters work for several sub classes for their respective classes, and will work for other classes. I’m looking forward to two builds that I’m theorizing for Titan and Hunter. Combination blow with grapple melee on Hunter, pair that with stylish executioner and say a combo of synthos and assassins cowl, you have a very strong melee build. You will become Miles Morales with the web slinging and electrified punches and you will have invisibility. Titan will be able to tie drengers lash to arc thruster dodge, which will be hell on earth in crucible. Add in Titans abbeyant leap exotic. Do with that information what you will.
Honestly when i first saw this i thought the only way to balance this was to only make it available inside the traveler and certain pvp modes but knowing everything thats coming with it it doesnt sound too bad
I think we'll start getting new Prismatic supers and aspects, followed by the possibility of a new darkness class that may or may not be usable with prismatic too.
Honestly, i hope that with the perk choices on the class item, I'm praying that The Stag and Assembler will be able to combined as a ultimate healer build!
In short. No, class items has been shown to not have the full exotic perk/have it altered. It’ll open up fun combos to make the subclass interesting but I feel like in the end full light subclasses will be better.
It’s gonna depend on a lot of information we DONT have yet, some things like Osmio that don’t have subclass ties in there description. But a lot of exotics like Skullfort require you to be on arc, will that be allowed on Prismatic titan if you have an arc super or not at all. But in general we don’t know what keywords are getting adjusted and what the balance patch tuned to make more prismatic combinations viable will be
If transcendence grenades are really good and worth building towards that perk that makes your gun the same element as your grenade when you throw it could be finally useful.
I believe that the builds that are potent and that function perfectly within their own subclass without relying on different methods of damage or survivability from other subclass verbs will be fine. Prismatic is just an opportunity for those who want to put devour on a solar subclass or other things of the sort to be free to do so.
One underrated aspect that nobody is considering is that getting the right armor for prismatic will be so much easier. Since it’s a class ability you can technically have like one armor set dedicated to prismatic that boosts your ideal traits
I think that the first thing Bungie will have to do (at least if they don't have a better idea) is to give a slight damage buff for Non-prismatic subclasses so people still have an incentive to use them. (Even if Prismatic doesn't inherit all the other subs' abilities.) Since Prismatic is getting a lot of QoL/cross-compatibility through its Facets, it would be only fair that other Subclasses became the "masters" of their respective playstyle/builds. →Solar classes causes more damage with Scorch/Ignitions and Solar Weapons →Void with Volatile, stronger Weaken effect, Void Weapons, etc.
They already kind of have that with the subclass specific synergies. You can't lean into something like scorch/ignitions without playing solar. You can do some as prismatic, but solar does it better. Prismatic are going to be glass cannons - the synergies in other subclasses give you much more survivability. Of course, until we actually get our hands on it we can't say if it's *enough* damage to outweigh the amount of survivability of pure subclasses - at least at the start. Some of the exotic class items might mitigate this a bit, but I think Bungie is intentionally not giving prismatic as much survivability to keep pure subclasses relevant.
One more thing I hope they add is elemental interaction i Know stasis is not Ice but Space Ice and shouldnt melt but I would love that if I'm rocking Solar and someone uses a glaciar nade and I use a solar ability that ability gives a de buff or makes more damage because of the harsh temperature change even steel brakes if it changes temperatures to quickly, So I would love to see elements interesting. Maybe arc when use with strand it enhances the damage since strand is helping arc conduct better. Void is the absent of space so it should definitely shatter stasis better than anything else.
Something I haven’t seen people mention is that prismatic is what we’re getting in the final shape, but maybe just for now, and they could add new or other old aspects and abilities from the other subclasses with the new episodes, similar to the new aspects we got with every season for stasis and strand
As a Titan main i truly believe that builds are temporary, but these hands are eternal.
W comment
Preach brotha, preach!
As a fellow Titan , this is my philosophy
Bars. I didn't see banner of war in the aspects, so anyone and everyone can catch these hands
Those edz dregs will shiver in their timbers when I activate my transcendence
Im just realizing that conditional finality was forshadowing what Final Shape would add.
We all thought it was a random crazy exotic but it was a taste of whats to come.
I think the whole raid was foreshadowing that idea. Resurrecting dark beings using the light no? Just to see those beings granted access to light and darkness.
Then the idea was that the condition to achieve finality is death. Ultimately I think we are being tricked into killing the witness. Cause he can only be granted the light through death. Just my speculation though.
Actually they Forshadowed the Prismatic when they "Accidently" added a shader called "Prismatic" and they said "That shader doesn't Exist so we will be removing it in the next update" Which they did!. This was before the Root of Nightmares was even a thing.
Same with Tesselation
@@darkstar_sierra1588 huh? I think that was obviously understood. I think all aspects of the raid are foreshadowing a grander aspect of converging light and darkness. That is what was articulated from my perspective.
What makes it a new class and not just every class is that they are not adding everything to it. Instead you have to balance light and dark skills they choose.
Basically it’s been prenerfed like new mountain top 😔 so it’s not worth the time.
Yes but only being able to use the new class item is what's going to truly kill the old subclasses imo
@projectxrapture Yeah but let's take well for example. If you want to run well do you really care if you can run sunbracers and phoenix protocol together if you can run well?
There are a bunch of things like that.
Bro… pls use your brain. Do you honestly think Bungie will limit us just to what we are getting in TFS? This is just the beginning they’re gonna keep adding more to it. That’s why D3 makes sense they are trying to remove the other subclasses and just make prismatic our main tree
@blebreton06 Not at all! It'll be amazing mixing different status effects together. It'll be great but different. Combos will be amazing in their own unique ways.
Heart Of Inmost Light & Star Eater perks together is literally a Super Sayian Guardian
Heart of inmost light plus frosties is all I could think of ngl
or that one warlock helm that gives regen of abilities eye of world or something
Or they could just allow us to equip an exotic in every slot and let us have real fun
put celestial nighthawk and star eater scales together and you can hit as hard as the death star
@@subzero308sounds like a bad idea lol
Full quote: Jack of all trades, master of none, Though oftentimes better than a master of one.
I always hate how often its cut short :)
My mentality when power leveling in skyrim
Unless it’s strand titan and sunbracers warlock
@@thomash8513 sunbracers warlock is good, but I can imagine in some areas the shear amount of add clear along with devour on warlock could have its uses
@@EepyGirlLava nope if it’s not a gm sunbracers is just better it could be ur only form of ad clear and u would be fine like during a boss encounter if u have to burst down a major and don’t wanna use izi ammo u could just put on a shotgun and use sunbracers for ad clear there’s no cost to it unless u whiff the melee
I genuinely think Prismatic is going to be a similar experience to multicasting in D&D. Mechanically, in D&D you multiclass to either get wider utility, or to specialize in a very specific way that can't be achieved via a single class.
And not everybody multiclasses in D&D even in tables that use it, so it'll likely be the same for going mono-element vs Prismatic in Destiny as well.
I can just imagine the Witness' reaction when we transcend, "wtf? You're not supposed to do that!"
Nah…The Witness IS the reason we can do it. 👀
Imagine a fireteam of 6 warlocks 1 well 5 arcs all with stasis turrets+no time to explain. #WEARELEGION
"You, Namekian! Too strong, explain how!"
It's the only reason why we're able to.
To an extent I think this is something it wanted all along.
It seems to be big on experimenting and research and maybe it gave us Stasis as a gift just to see what happens when a Light bearer has access to Darkness abilities.
The witness wants this for us.
Whoever edited this did an incredible job. This is a seriously high quality video. Great job.
All I'm saying is that if Hunters can get Gyrfalcons AND Orpheus Rigs on the Exotic Class item, that'll be Void Hunter perfected.
Super: Deadfall Tether
Class Ability: Gamblers Dodge
Jump: Triple
Melee: Combination Blow
Grenade: Either Duskfield or Grapple (doesn't really matter though Duskfield allows more Slow stacks for Stylish Executioner)
Aspects: Winters Shroud + Stylish Executioner
Fragments: Facet of Dawn, Protection, Bravery, etc.
Exotic Class Item: Gyrfalcons + Orpheus Rig
This builds gameplay loop is very similar to an Assassins Cowl Arc Hunter. You throw a duskfield nade and kill the hit enemy with a powered melee to start building the Combination Blow loop. This will slow nearby enemies every time you dodge allowing your Stylish Executioner to proc. We've essentially replaced Void Hunters weakest part of the kit (the melee) with an entire Assassins Cowl Arc hunter build. And combined Void Hunters 2 strongest Exotics. Aswell as given them Slow effects every time they dodge. (which is all the time). We get Radiant + Unraveling Rounds (Swordbreaker 1-2 punch).
EDIT: To all those who have only half their brains working, Prismatic Hunter has Deadfall Tether and Stylish Executioner.
Facts
Depends on what part of the exotic they decide to use
Sadly the class item perks seem to only be partial exotic traits. So even if you could get both, I don't think you'd be able to get the major benefits from both.
At most it would be the faster reloading and the finisher weapon damage boost, at least as far as I've seen from the exotic class items so far.
They only work while using the Prismaric class.
@@NoHandsJames Nobody uses Gyrfalcons for the weapon damage boost though. Its soul identity is applying Volatile rounds while invisible. Everything else is the extra random stuff.
In the "leak" that Paul Tassi reviewed in his Forbes article, it said Bungie was working towards making all classes and subclasses irrelevant by allowing you to choose whatever abilities and whatever supers you want. I would love to see this. I've been hoping for it since Strand was announced in the Lightfall Vidoc. Prismatic is clearly beta testing for that eventuality. Since it is only beta testing, I can easily say no, Prismatic will not kill our current builds. But one day, probably a D3 day, hopefully, it will.
Right now I'm contemplating Felwinter's Helm with Lightning Surge and Arcane Needle for three charges of a jolting/suppressing melee. If there is a Spirit of Felwinter's and Spirit of Assassin's Cowl exotic class item...💯
My thoughts exactly bro, Just like how Halo reach abilities was basically a beta/test for D1, Prismatic is defiantly a beta test to whats to come for D3.
Us warlocks are going to have a great time using well while everyone else gets to use the fun new thing
Warlocks in a nutshell. I moved to being a hunter main now. I refuse to be tied to only one thing.
Well isn't on prismatic lmao
Hehe sucks when your class is carried by one super
The new solar super actually sounds fantastic for prismatic builds, since killing all those scorched enemies should help feed their aspects
@@lemapple8180 yeah thats the thing because we cant join any activity unless we're on well
The missing Titan aspects are huge things to lose out on: Banner of War, Into the Fray, Roaring Flames, Sol Invictus, Touch of Thunder, Howl of the Storm, Bastion, and Offensive Bulwark. RIP almost all survivability and dps melee builds. Also, not being able to use Burning Maul or Sentinel Shield is a let-down for sure.
Hunters are left mostly intact, missing a couple of important aspects but they have a lot of good options to choose from. I think prismatic hunters will suffer the least compared to what we have now.
Warlocks are in the middle, missing a few key abilities like Well of Radiance, Ice Flare Bolts, Touch of Flame, Mindspun Invocation, Wanderer, Arc Soul, Child of the Old Gods, Chaos Accelerant, and Chaos Reach.
Prismatic will be very good in the neutral game, but there are some builds which will never be obsolete, (*especially* for titans).
Sentinel shield is rubbish, happy that isn't available on Prismatic.
Hunters aren't in a good spot either. It's basically arc hunter without the need for Cowl but less damage because of no lethal current aspect. That's pretty much the only end game scaling build. The new super and aspect are much more pvp than pve, yay we can helicopter spin, thanks bungie the rest of our kit outside of dps supers is still so far behind other classes.
Warlocks definitely won with the new solar aspect and super, devour access, and a rework to how bleakwatcher interacts with other statuses like devour.
Titans still have some juice with 3x consecration and knockout is a lifesaver but yeah no banner sucks. The new shield could be super good but IMO Warlocks won, titan second, hunters last (unless it's a patrol zone).
Hunters are only mostly intact because outside of like 2 or 3 exotics, the only good ones are for our supers and everything is gunplay. Even some of the good exotics, still gun centric to the max rather than space magic. Even then with some testing I'm sure I'd rather use arc or void than prismatic, and void has 0 offense
@@Kurama1732 I guess you haven't used Void hunter then because it's one of the best for enemy dense end game content. Warlocks definitely retained some good aspects, but hunters maintained the best available abilities by far, (save for blade barrage). Titans got the best abilities, supers, and aspects neutered from them, except for glacier and pulse grenades, thunderclap, and consecration, (I don't use this aspect much because Synthoceps+infinite hammer makes most content trivial). There's no source of healing at all except for knockout, (which isn't the greatest but something), no grapple melee, and very few viable options to choose from at the end of the day.
@@classicjoker2008 With Doom Fang Pauldrons, it's legitimately fun to be in a super for 5 minutes straight. And I can get it back in 1-2 minutes.
As a behemoth titan I am very jealous of that warlock void stasis nade.
Can’t lie when I saw the titan transcendence grenade I was disappointed
@@twentyoneten4207 half of the grenade won't work against bosses ahaha. Also, the grenade doesn't explode on hit, similar to Incendiary grenade, it bounces around before exploding.
Warlock main here, we are also the only Prismatic class to have a Solar healing nade. Not that it matters too much with weapons that can heal. I actually think for once Warlock got the best out of the bunch apart from not having Prismatic Well.
@@twentyoneten4207I felt that the warlock one was more underwhelming to me. It feels small compared to the giant boom of pris titan. I think hunter one is best no question in terms of look and power but I wish that they release new grenades throughout the seasons. After all, they have a dedicated section to it. It would make sense to have like one for each darkness subclass.
Ie hunter gets a grenade that grapples (maybe creates point) and has like a void grenade burst of seeking void grenades that detonates every time you grapple to it or melee something.
Me to brother, me to.
It will, because bungie wants it to be overpowered at launch, and at first everybody will love it. After a few weeks (days?) people will start to complain, then streamers will complain and make videos about it, then bungie nerfs everything into the ground. Circle of life.
How you feel now?
Nah. They are leaving lots of the best supers and aspects and powers on other classes.
exactly
not for hunters
@@ilredelnulla9837yes lol. No blade barrage, no vanishing step aspect, no whirling maelstrom aspect, none of the good grenades outside of grapple etc
@@hatchell18 golden gun> blade barrage, vanishing step=afk play stile the invis option you can get is fantastic since you have INFINITE MELEE OPTION WITH STRAND, other combo aspect > whirling maestrom, for the nades yeah but you have infinite ignition nade options
@@ilredelnulla9837 ugh no lol. Blade barrage is way better than golden gun. The ONLY reason golden gun is better rn is because of this seasons solar mods making it busted. It’ll go back to barely ever being used after this season lol
My only issue with this is I hope there’s different looks for the class items because as a hunter main I personally don’t like the look of the cloak at all
The question is entirely dependent whether or not more abilities, supers and aspects will be added. For instance, solar grenades aren’t there, and so the raw ad clear of sunbracers is gone. Well of Raidence, despite a possible nerf, will still be needed for raids. Some builds will rendered moot, but certain ones will remain top tier
The best example is strand titans. Pulse grenades, consecration and overshields likely won’t be enough to justify giving up the sheer survivability of Banner of War
Exotic Class Items are not going to replace all exotics, since their perks are watered down versions of two exotics. Some exotics will be negated, while others will be better for prismatic than their default class. Two of the best examples are Celestial nighthawk and Osimancy gloves
Nighthawk will good to make up for the lack of knock em down and star eater blade barrage, since it was never affected by knock em down to begin with
Osimancy will let you have two coldsnap grenades to turn into bleak watchers while also having feed the void
Exactly. I want to keep Banner of War so my time with Prismatic will be limited to patrol and low level activities, if ever. I know they obviously can't bring everything in but this feels like a melting pot of undesirable traits and aspects.
They'll probably nerf stuff like BoW again to try to push everyone into using Prismatic, though. That seems like the Bungie thing to do here.
Knock ‘em down gives Blades Barage 6-8 more blades
@@thunderchief7256 and a 30ish percent to golden guns, but nighthawk does more than 30 percent
@@conmanay4563 I think only deadshot gets the dmg increase, marksman just last longer
hunters and titans are the one that wil really shine with ther new subclass
Prismatic is literally the healthiest way bungie has gone about making a subclass in a hot minute.
It seems restricted in a way that makes it sorta broken without making it flat out overkill.
I’m certain they’ll add to it over time
Someone finally said what I was thinking. There is so much left off the table that I can't see Prismatic being the end all be all.
That being said. I'll be in heaven if I find a war rig + precious scars class item.
I'd rather the core classes be relegated to specialist roles than have prismatic cone out and do nothing.
I personally think they should remove all independent subclasses and merge them into prismatic. Full freedom
@@ImABotTrust That's more of a D3 thing. Possibly even due to legal shenanigans.
Curious, why does everyone like precious scars? The restoration seems minimal.
@@synth_pulse3098 For me. It's Lorelai at home but without the need to burn my barricade and in team play, not need banner of war. And the biggest kicker. It isn't class locked. So if I'm slaying out in PVE with stasis for instance, I'm already rocking a stasis weapon with headstone. If I don't need Hoarfrost Z, it's still a good backup exotic.
And while using Tommy's Matchbook. If I'm killing with scorches and ignitions, the overheat will never bring me down past half shield.
The jack of all trades master of none idea I think works really well here. It’s not going to over take certain builds but it will be very good and a welcome edition to the game. It honestly reminds me of dnd bards. Flexibility in what you can do but not so much that you eclipse everything else.
I think the best way to deal with it is to eliminate some of those stat penalties on stronger fragments - but only on the core subclasses, not for primsatic.
And if that isn't enough, invert them. Prismatic is cool and all but imagine 6 100 arc hunter.
I feel like the only thing i feel will be super stront in prismatic is going to be conditional hunter, but thats just because of how it synergizes with aspects and you can even go invis on conditional kills. (Pvp is absolutely screwed when that comes out)
I doubt it. The Prismatic subclass is more of a “Jack of All Trades, Master of None”. It can do everything, but only our current subclasses can do something well.
To illustrate, the Prismatic Warlock has Bleak Watcher, which could be paired with Feed the Void to give Devour on ability blows (which can also be procced by a shatter final blow on a target frozen by a Stasis ability), but only Shadebinder can pair Bleak Watcher with Iceflare Bolts, which drastically improves your ability to freeze targets. You can argue that the sustain abilities of Devour are more valuable, but keep in mind that we will be getting a new Stasis Keyword in Final Shape: Frost Armor. And you can bet that the Stasis subclasses will be able to get access to Frost Armor much easier than Prismatic when it comes to us.
not for hunters
Also keep in mind that not all Exotic armor perks will be used. Example since Warlocks wont have Solar Grenades in Prismatic, Sunbracers wont be featured in the Exotic Class item, and would make that Exotic useless for the subclass. That is just one of many examples. So there is still going to be many reasons why to use the other subclasses and builds.
I feel like Prismatic will in no way make single element builds obsolete but it will definitely allow us to reach greater potential taking advantage of all burn element modifiers.
Something I'm really excited about is to see, basically, the OPPOSITE of the Tommy's Matchbook situation. I want to see how weapons like Touch of Malice who have struggled to find their way in the D2 sandbox might interact with Pristmatic. Maybe having access to devour + restoration + woven mail will give a weapon like Touch of Malice it's opportunity to shine finally. With those fragments supporting kinetic weapons and possibly others to come, it could make Prismatic ALSO be the kinetic subclass that people have been waiting for too. I'm so unbelievably excited
They did say transcendence would be filled with mostly the unused/unpopular parts of each subclass in that blog post but amp them up a bit.
Perfect way to make a whole subclass unused and unpopular after a few weeks of the hype wearing off. Call me crazy but it feels rushed and half assed because they needed a new subclass for the expansion to not flop.
@@silverag3169I dunno about you but I can make some fun combos for the warlock with all the elemental buddies I can have out at one time.
@@silverag3169 I think it’s a perfect way to buff these unused parts of our subclasses and merge them into something awesome. I’m cautiously excited about this new subclass. But yeah this definitely had to be just freshly made due to feedback they received
@FrostieTS Honestly your positive attitude is awesome and I truely hope you have a blast with everything. Im just a pessimist when it comes to d2 I suppose.
@@silverag3169 I get it. I’ve been playing since alpha d1. Seen the highs and lows of bungie through destiny 1 and 2. I’m just enjoying the ride to wherever this story ends at and take it from there.
I think that Prismatic is to be a sign of what to look for in Destiny 3…
That Prismatic is to be the SOLE “Subclass”, with ALL the current and future elements being collapsed into it, and that builds from then on become all about either specializing in 1 Element (Like have it so the more focused you are in 1 element, the more “attuned” to it you are, and receive appropriate buffs for it) OR you mix and match, and gain buffs that are only possible from experimenting with cross-elemental interactions.
There needs to be a reason where either going full combo OR remaining an elemental purist can stand toe to toe with each other.
We dont need destiny 3 we killed so many bosses through the years,story needs to end.
Well, they said that ONLY when equipping the prismatic subclass you will be able to use the class item exotic...So for instance the strand titan punch everything with the force of a super build(ONLY USING: a shotgun, an aspect and an exotic armor piece) will still be better than the different light and darkness abilities all together in one...
Hard light meta??
not again…
When is it not
I think exotic class items will NOT fade normal exotics out of existence. The main reason for this is because some exotics can only be used by certain classes. For example, In the trailer a titan used his barricade to create the suspending wave from drengrs lash, but it was not a barricade. But rather the stasis crystal wall from Hoarfrost Z. So if you want that awesome suspending stasis crystal class ability, you will need to run Hoarfrost Z. Other classes dont have a barricade, so I imagine "Spirit of the Hoarfrost" will not be a perk option for exotic class items. Exotic class items will only be an option if you want to run class-neutral exotics, like assassins cowl and ophidian aspects.
I think one big item to look forward to is the 3rd Darkness Subclass. I think people overlooked that even tho Prismatic is a new subclass, it's not the 6th Elemental one. Meaning when we do get the Red Subclass, not only will it have a stand alone build, but will also have to be built into the existing Prismatic subclass as well.
Yeah, a new subclass now had exponentially more to offer the game than strand or stasis did, when they showed up. And if we get new aspects for existing subclasses maybe they'll eventually expand the pool of options for prismatic to more than 1, making it again, even more exciting🙃
@@aljazslemc9569yeah. Then they could add three grenades for each subclass to match as the seasons progress. I hope that as these seasons move on that at least one extra grenade to fill out the other darkness class.
My ideas are void and strand hunter grenade with grapple point being created while you grapple. When casting grapple or hitting melee it will create those void seekers (from point or you depending on how they are obtained). I just realized that the one fragment may be nutty with it but whatever it’s transcendence
Solar and strand for warlock.
Could be a healing grenade threadling combo in which you throw a zone down that pulses out threadlings and cures and heals when you are hit with it. You could switch healing grenade for another part but that makes most sense to me.
Titan would be stasis arc (upon writing this I realize that this won’t have the variation I want so that sucks but o well)
It will create a crystal wall that puts out a blinding pulse every now and then. Shattering those will unleash a huge blinding explosion.
I think those are the best options
I feel like we'll either get the 3rd darkness subclass in the last episode of Final Shape, or as the main selling point of post Final Shape content.
Alternatively, they are keeping it under wraps for now, to maximize last minute hype generation.
@@ValbrandrLeonhardt no any other subclass would have to take at least an expansion no questions asked
This is the 3rd subclass. It's literally red like we've been predicting. We aren't getting anything else
I've been thinking this too. I genuinely think that prismatic builds will just be neutered versions of what we have now.
the triple strand melee + consecration titan sounds good on paper but the truth is that keeping your melee charge up is already not a very hard ask for that build. you get your melee back constantly which kind of trivializes having 3 charges on prismatic, and i'm not sure how well that build will fare without roaring flames. hopefully knockout makes up for this, though.
The bleakwatcher build with devour sounds good on paper until you realize that devour proccs off of ability kills, and your turrets barely ever actually kill anthing, they freeze and you kill them with a weapon. pair that with the fact you lose iceflare bolts and it's also hard to see how good that build will actually be at hardd cc'ing like its pure stassis counterpart.
The liars handshake build for hunters does seem nutty but like cross mentioned in the video, losing lethal current and flow state is a pretty big hit against that build too.
where prismatic will most likely excell is in creating actual new builds. creating a bunch of threaded specters with comb blow, or using comb blow for filthy grapple melee damage sounds like an entirely new playstyle to me and can't be replicated on pure arc/strand subclasses.
I really do hope they add SOME, more abilities (especially nades and aspects), not all, into prismatic down the line. There are def strong synergies to experiment with here but I can't help but feel like the current lineup (at least to our current knowledge) doesn't really fulfill the whole "make your own truly unique guardian" fantasy they were selling in the vidoc.
I have two big fears about prismatic, from the perspective of an endgame titan main:
1. Not all abilities are created equal within a single class. On Titan knockout is clearly the best aspect, so much so that I can't see myself making a build without it. Frenzied Blade is clearly the best melee option, and there is no reason to run any others (unless they give us melting point back on hammer strike). Knockout, Consecration, Frenzied Blade, Shackle Grenade, and Thundercrash is the main build I'm looking at. Then in transcendence, your new grenade is just a better shackle grenade, so it'll flow nicely.
2. For damage phases, I'm worried that the best option for exotic class item will be star eaters + ophidians. These two exotic effects will absolutely juice every loadout you could have, no matter what weapon or super you're using to take down a boss (to be clear, you're using Thundercrash unless they've really updated twilight arsenal since the video showcase).
Thundercrash isn't useful in all damage phases for example warpriest. If you step out of the aura you get 0 damage.
@@VenomPureEvilu can always be a real titan and bring the aura to the warpriest
@@kurtispowers5776 indeed 👊
Hear me out.
Star Eater Scales on the exotic, with Celestial Nighthawk.
1 shot GG will be viable again.
I’m looking for a combination of star eaters and apothethosis veil with the new warlock solar super. I’d like to see what kind of damage you can bring.
it is my understanding all of our abilities an supers an classes will be on one screen an from the drop down options we will be able to select what we want to pair together. Im not certain they will keep the other subclasses completely separate with there own screen because ... no one will rock anything else for so many reasons.
I love the idea of prismatic. And exotic class items will be cool. I just hope they can be Transmoged and shaded.
What we have seen I give it a 8/10 I hope the campaign is even better
They'll most likely have shaders but transmog wouldn't be there. It's an exotic, generally in PVP people need to see the exotic you're rocking. It will probably have ornaments instead.
@@johndoe1274 the problem is it'll already be randomized. It doesn't matter if you see an exotic class item if that item can be whatever exotic that's in the game.
@@draccondracul2082 They’ve never used transmog for exotics, the logic is not logicing.
I may be biased, but as a warlock main, the aspect I’m noticing the absence of most is iceflare bolts. Bleak watcher is undeniably powerful, but imo iceflare is a borderline essential part of the shadebinder kit, and the fact that it isn’t available to prismatic shows pretty clearly that eclipsing the other subclasses isn’t their intention, so while prismatic may be absolutely busted on launch, the tweaks made to it will be in the mindset of the other subclasses having at least comparable power.
I feel the hype at start , after calming down i learned that exotic class item doesnt work with mono subclass and prismantic has massive limitations so basically killed it . Underrated abilities/fragment its not used for a reason its just weak .
tbh i think these are the rankings for titan at least;
titan;
1. solar titan (because of pyro-gale being such an insane passive dps & utility)
2. strand titan (because it's healing is not as consistent as solar's and it has difficulty with exploding type enemies, forcing you to run an add clear weapon)
3. void titan (because of devour and bonking tormentors)
4. prismatic titan (because it doesn't really have any healing and it's synergy is only really good for gm content with external healing; and obvious it's just a better arc titan build)
5. arc titan (because it's by far the worst in all aspects of the game compared to the other subclasses
The exotic perk combos will be insane. Imagine hoil with skullfort's perk or wormgods with skullfort or armamentaruim with ashen wake or second chances with doomfang. The possibilities are endless
Titans do not get fusion grenades on prismatic, and the exotic class piece is only for prismatic, so ashen wake will not work. Sentinel shield is also not on prismatic titan, so doomfang will only give the void weapon damage buff and super energy on melee kills, which is still good.
Possibilities are not endless lmao. The rolls are fixed you cant combine everything
@@DrakeLons so the possibilities are still endless, bit just a little less endless
I don't think they have shown 2 exotics from the same class , not saying there won't be but as far as I'd seen they are different classes exotics mixed
@@epitome278 not with perks, but you do see a titan proc drengr's lash, kepri's horn and hoarfrost-z passives all at once. it was at the end of the trailer
The lmg the Titan is using apparently had a perk that applies "ability rampage", it stacks up to 3x at 4:00. Bungie said the area above the super bar is for weapon perk/ability text so it has to be a perk. Could it be as simple as rampage but for abilities? Get weapon kills to increase ability damage that stacks 3x like normal rampage? We don't currently have a weapon perk like that. Warlocks have Verity's Brow with Death Throws which does that, but for weapons we only have perks that buff weapon damage with ability kills or increase recharge rates, not the damage of the abilities themselves.
I cannot wait to be a solar and ice titan! smashing ice with fire hammers!
The only thing that makes me sad about prismatic is that it is pretty much a gaurantee that light and dark subclasses will permanently be uneven. 2 dark subclasses forever and 3 light subclasses forever.
The ultimate ocd hell.
Light subclasses are headed to the DCV.
This was my first thought when I watched the update trailer. This was a great vid ty!!
Lost sectors finally gonna be relevant again lol
I think they were right when they said this is advanced build crafting. Because with prismatic you are EXPECTED to build craft.
There are many specific synergies available but little generalised bonuses. You need to tie everything with your weapons or a build won’t work.
Then basic classes give you the freedom adjust your weapons as necessary. I think basic classes are going to be the main way to experience hard content as no one wants to give up a welllock, or a bubble titan, or even give up invis hunter in solo Lost sectors. I’ve noticed a lot of fragile transcendence builds, but without healing grenade and double restoration benefits, I see transcendence as glass cannon content farmers that are really fun, but not meant for master raids unless your ad clear.
You know what's funny? Today i was thinking about combing subclasses together, like having the invisibility of void and the movement of strand, and here we are.
Stylish exicutioner mixed with combination blow spunds crazy. A melee from invis causes weaken. Killing the weakened enemy returns you to invis. The damage stacks up with each kill. It's like assassins cowl, but without the need for the exotic anymore.
Prismatic is DOA.
So why the hell would it kill our builds that are stronger?
One thing I noticed which is for sure going to be abused you can refill transcendence while it is active meaning that you can have infinite ability uptime buff and guess what transcendence is increased by using abilities so it encourages ability use but this can be broken.
This is a lure. They are breaking the game and giving us what we've always wanted because they are dying.
Or, the leaks are true, and D3 is in development. Tinfoil hat: Prismatic is a live test for what they can do with the D3 class systems
Desperate Bungie is the best Bungie
Not even close to dying
bakris + astrocyte perks on class item
or bakris+renewal grasp
silence / tether super
shurikens/ combination blow
blink
duskfield
winters shroud + stylish execution
=
perfect fallen captain build
17:40 It's good to know the full quote/saying.
"Jack of all trades; master of none."
Lemme save y'all 20 mins of ramblings.
No. your other classes will not become irrelevant.
Had me worried for a minute when you said we aren't getting everything from all subclasses on prismatic. But, frenzied blade and consecration are there so I'm happy
Well isnt part of Prismatic yikes
Wellock
good i hate running well and im never running it again
It sounds like well is getting hella nerfed anyway so warlocks are no longer obligated to run well. Although it's going to make endgame activities way more challenging.
@@DonJoe1 good, i want them to be hard
what will likely kill old classes is that one can just ignore what prismatic is intended for and build mono-element (if allowed) while using the extra fragments/aspects slots to build a super mono class instead of the hybrid prismatic is intended to be... though it seems you get only ONE aspects for every subclass.
For the exotics, the good ones will be really hard to obtain, many exotics may not appear in the new exotics, and the effects of the new exotics may be weaker.
Well it seems hunter is getting catered again rip other characters
Warlock PVE: Feed the Void and Stacy, healing grenade. Devour should keep you healed, but a healing grenade emergency is nice. You should be getting grenades quickly due to devour.
Warlock PVP: Lightning Surge and Weavers Call, arcane needle. Blink into a Phoenix Dive to launch threadlings, clean up with a lightning surge melee.
It'd be interesting to see if they'd take certain abilities from exotics intended to work with specific supers and make them broader on the class items. Like Celestial Nighthawk's one-hit super conversion being given to a warlock, making their arc laser have a momentary duration in a tradeoff for exceptional damage.
What I think would be a good limit to the exotic class items (and what I actually think will be the case) is 1. There won’t be so many options for exotic perks, and 2. You can only take exotic perks from classes other than your own. The second limit would still make it so actual class specific exotics useable, and I believe this will be the case because in the gameplay showcase they describe the exotic class items as “taking things from other classes and making them yours” as well as never seeing an exotic class item contain an exotic perk from an exotic of the same class as the guardian that was wearing it. Whenever we saw exotic class item perks they were always perks from exotics other than the class that was wearing them.
Except we know you can get a perk for your class. They mention calibans hand in one of the hunter sections in the video
My main guess for the balancing act is that the new Aspects and Supers we're getting with Final Shape and Beyond will also be added to their associated elemental Subclass since that is how they were initially presented to us and shown in gameplay previews half a year ago.
On the contrary, we still have slots available for other fragments in each subclass. There is still room to build onto each with another 2 slot fragment.
BRUH I thought , at least within your specific class, you could pick ANY Super, any melee, any grenade, and any aspect or fragment. But it seems they picked and chose only five of each from the subclasses and the fragments especially is disappointing because they're premade fragments (some of them sound juicy) for Prismatic and it won't just let you pick the ones you want from each subclass. I knew it was too good to be true but hopefully the exotic class item has less restrictions given they drop with random rolls, you have to farm to get the roll with the specific perks you're looking for
This is a great start. In destiny 3 they should do it like souls game where you choose a class at the beginning with some stats but you can change your stats as you continue the game and build a different character to whatever you want. If you want to be completely a brute Titan you can build that but if you want to be a heavy handed warlock you can do that as well.
Them releasing this subclass with final shape makes a lot of sense because canonically ikora Rey is one of the few guardians the prismatic ability which is one of the things that make her one of the strongest guardians
Looking at the screenshots of the prismatic UI, there’s two icons under transcendence. To me it looks like we may also be able to changeout the special transcendence grenade and some kind of native effect but I just be speculating 😎
You can allready have a kinda cracked void/strand build if you have the new recluse with destabilizing rounds/repulsor brace, constant volatile and unraveling while having void overshield and woven mail at the same time.
Bungie showed us Strand having us think the grapple would break the game, and it was the most balanced subclass ever. i have hope for Prismatic in that sense!
For my warlock, all the prismatic powers are exactly how I like to play already when I’m not the Well. I can’t see myself using anything else. The other classes are missing combos I love to use. I’ll probably switch it up more often with them.
Warlocks fellwinters helm can work on any subclass so im sure that will be a prismatic exotic class item perk as well. Wonder what will combo with it.
Felwinter's + Them poison gauntlets on titan to just spread malice with the hammer
we need an aspect that grants volatile rounds on orb pickup like the seasonal mod back in WQ
I do hope they consider adding individual “transcendent” grenades to the other elements but purely focused on said elements. I don’t really wanna change from a shatter-skate revenant all too much. It’s just how I prefer playing
I know nobody will read this, but i think there might be another exotic set they have not revealed because on the list of exotic class item aspects, there is one that is called "aspect of the bear" and no exotic explicitly has the name of bear, with ursa furiosa being closest. But i could see that it being a ursa furiosa change to include a unbreakable aspect buff.
Notice how the abilities are all overlapping with their current “subclass stuns” going to be tearing through buildcrafting. And make it so you might be able to stun all three champion types in one subclass. But since it lacks the focus of current builds it may not be able to do specific things. Like take void hunter for instance has gotten very popular in the last three days, you can add stasis and water down its synergy for sure. Same time a tether with our withering blades seems pretty good.
I really don't think it'll ruin any current builds, like he mentions in the video, there's plenty of aspects and fragments that you just won't be able to utilize in Prismatic and those aspects and fragments are what make the current subclasses so good. I'm also really interested to see if we may be get some kind of double element exotic weapon. Think about it, Stacey's revolves around being able to use both dark and light subclasses simultaneously, I wonder if we might get a new exotic weapon with light follower in the raid similar to conditional finality, but instead of switching modes it just has two modes at the same time all the time.
Prismatic seems more like evolution than a straight up replacement. Although it may be the first step toward leaving the old subclasses behind EVENTUALLY. Being able to run a combination of skills like this makes a lot of sense and I'd gladly take it even if it means leaving the old classes in the dust.
Some part of me thinks that the usage rates of Prismatic will largely depend on what rolls you get on the class armour exotic. For example, if your best class armour exotic is a combination of chromatic fire and mask of bakris, yeah I would understand not using Prismatic, but for example, if you beat exotic was a combination of something like verity’s brow and heart of inmost light, or star eaters and falling sun star, yeah, you’d probably use Prismatic.
Given that a lot of the really good aspects/fragments won't be available for Prismastic, it'll still be beneficial to use the standard light/dark classes. It'll be good to see how it work, though!
I think that staying on one subclass will still be viable. We have the exotic class items coming that can essentially double down on exotic perks. Also I noticed that the subclass buffs like amplified and radiant on Prismatic were very short, like 4 seconds. Prismatic will definitely be useful and fun, but I still think rocking a full Stasis or Solar build will be a good choice depending on the situation.
What I’m curious to know is if the class item perks have to be neutral all around, or if each class item will have unique perks specific to the class.
All the perks shown seemed to be neutral like adding ignitions to melee kills, adding an extra class item charge, or ophidian handling in general.
There was no specific perks shown that can only interact with a single class such as celestial nighthawk.
I think it would make sense to start migrating things over to prismatic over the course of time and eventually sunset the old subclasses and make it an “even” playing field
Other exotic armors will still be usable and in some cases optimal. The spirit benefit from the class item will give SOME perk abilities from an exotic but not all. Basically the main perk, and not necessarily at the same rate as the actual exotic in some cases, possibly. Definitely will be a great addition, though. Sounds exciting.
I think there’s still going to be a place for builds outside of prismatic. I mean at least from the looks of it prismatic doesn’t get access to some of the best solar warlock stuff like well of radiance, heat rises, and icarus dash for PvP and general movement. And the lack of heat rises also means phoenix dive doesn’t get the restoration and apply scorch to nearby enemies which the instant heal from cure is nice but that’s it. And it doesn’t appear to have access to solar grenades or touch of flame meaning the flying angel of destruction sunbracers build doesn’t work with prismatic. And that’s just one build on one subclass, prismatic will offer much more possibilities but there will still be many builds that do things prismatic simply can’t. Overall at least for warlocks prismatic doesn’t allow for those ignition or volatile builds that cause chain reaction explosions to wipe out crowds in seconds while also refunding huge amounts of ability energy, at least they will not be even slightly as effective. And it doesn’t have as easy of access to restoration without sacrificing the utility and power of a damage dealing grenade, which it might not be as strong as it once was but restoration x2 is still no joke, and I’m not sure if prismatic has a fragment that extends the duration let alone adds duration on kills.
I’d imagine the current exotics we have will have its use with Prismatic ijs unless the builds for Prismatic is very specific considering they say the builds are mostly off-meta.
So far it’s to my belief they are limiting the exotics that will be part of the exotic class items to things that purely effect neutral abilities as opposed to those that buff specific class abilities or class exclusive effects. Synthos, assassins cowl and star eaters work for several sub classes for their respective classes, and will work for other classes.
I’m looking forward to two builds that I’m theorizing for Titan and Hunter.
Combination blow with grapple melee on Hunter, pair that with stylish executioner and say a combo of synthos and assassins cowl, you have a very strong melee build. You will become Miles Morales with the web slinging and electrified punches and you will have invisibility.
Titan will be able to tie drengers lash to arc thruster dodge, which will be hell on earth in crucible. Add in Titans abbeyant leap exotic. Do with that information what you will.
Honestly when i first saw this i thought the only way to balance this was to only make it available inside the traveler and certain pvp modes but knowing everything thats coming with it it doesnt sound too bad
I think we'll start getting new Prismatic supers and aspects, followed by the possibility of a new darkness class that may or may not be usable with prismatic too.
As a warlock main I am running song of flame with vortex grenade, arcane needle and feed the void/bleak watcher this bout to go crazy
Honestly, i hope that with the perk choices on the class item, I'm praying that The Stag and Assembler will be able to combined as a ultimate healer build!
well of radiance and bubble will keep solar and void relevant. i would've said combintion blow would keep arc relevant but guess what prismatic has?
In short. No, class items has been shown to not have the full exotic perk/have it altered. It’ll open up fun combos to make the subclass interesting but I feel like in the end full light subclasses will be better.
It’s gonna depend on a lot of information we DONT have yet, some things like Osmio that don’t have subclass ties in there description. But a lot of exotics like Skullfort require you to be on arc, will that be allowed on Prismatic titan if you have an arc super or not at all. But in general we don’t know what keywords are getting adjusted and what the balance patch tuned to make more prismatic combinations viable will be
If transcendence grenades are really good and worth building towards that perk that makes your gun the same element as your grenade when you throw it could be finally useful.
I believe that the builds that are potent and that function perfectly within their own subclass without relying on different methods of damage or survivability from other subclass verbs will be fine. Prismatic is just an opportunity for those who want to put devour on a solar subclass or other things of the sort to be free to do so.
One underrated aspect that nobody is considering is that getting the right armor for prismatic will be so much easier. Since it’s a class ability you can technically have like one armor set dedicated to prismatic that boosts your ideal traits
I think that the first thing Bungie will have to do (at least if they don't have a better idea) is to give a slight damage buff for Non-prismatic subclasses so people still have an incentive to use them. (Even if Prismatic doesn't inherit all the other subs' abilities.)
Since Prismatic is getting a lot of QoL/cross-compatibility through its Facets, it would be only fair that other Subclasses became the "masters" of their respective playstyle/builds.
→Solar classes causes more damage with Scorch/Ignitions and Solar Weapons
→Void with Volatile, stronger Weaken effect, Void Weapons, etc.
They already kind of have that with the subclass specific synergies. You can't lean into something like scorch/ignitions without playing solar. You can do some as prismatic, but solar does it better. Prismatic are going to be glass cannons - the synergies in other subclasses give you much more survivability. Of course, until we actually get our hands on it we can't say if it's *enough* damage to outweigh the amount of survivability of pure subclasses - at least at the start. Some of the exotic class items might mitigate this a bit, but I think Bungie is intentionally not giving prismatic as much survivability to keep pure subclasses relevant.
One more thing I hope they add is elemental interaction i Know stasis is not Ice but Space Ice and shouldnt melt but I would love that if I'm rocking Solar and someone uses a glaciar nade and I use a solar ability that ability gives a de buff or makes more damage because of the harsh temperature change even steel brakes if it changes temperatures to quickly, So I would love to see elements interesting. Maybe arc when use with strand it enhances the damage since strand is helping arc conduct better. Void is the absent of space so it should definitely shatter stasis better than anything else.
Something I haven’t seen people mention is that prismatic is what we’re getting in the final shape, but maybe just for now, and they could add new or other old aspects and abilities from the other subclasses with the new episodes, similar to the new aspects we got with every season for stasis and strand