mpatter572 you are AWESOME! Thank you for posting this. I am a Born Again Christian gay man and I actually do stand up to unviel the truth about what the Bible REALLY says about Homosexuality (uh, NOTHING!) :-) And I appreciate you posting this and taking a stand...if we do not stand, we will surely fall. I've educated GLAAD about the clobber passages as well in the past. My routine on TH-cam is under "Mystery Mike Hollywood Improv" & "QUEERBURGS" is my webseries Keep Shining!
Sally Kern was my Senior year Government teacher before she was elected as a state representative. She is an excellent teacher and simply a nice person. Cut out to be a State Representative? Perhaps not...
Roy Williams, president of the Oklahoma City Chamber, said the issue is a major concern the chamber is trying to address. He confirmed a Staubach consultant was troubled by Kern's comments during a recent visit. "He told us straight up ... 'I cannot recommend to any of my clients that they should consider Oklahoma City because of that,'" Williams said. "When you have one of the nation's premier relocation experts making those statements, you should pay attention to that and not dismiss it."
I love the way she handles this. Makes it comedic but still stresses the importance of the issue. I'm embarrassed to say I lived in Oklahoma when this happened. I didn't vote her in.
It's worded right. I took it off their website, however, it's confusing. However, I plan on posting the transcripts of the conversation in comments later. In the meantime, you can view the whole article on PFLAG.
I ran several searches in Guide & couldn't find these words. I did find an article from 1999 about how far we've come since Stonewall. It included the portion that reads, "The gay movement can be rightly proud that we have replaced so much fear with sexual celebration. But these advances have been accompanied by setbacks. While homophobia has been challenged with notable success, whole new sets of rules punishing all sorts of other "inappropriate" sexual expression have been formulated."
From the UUA website There are 7 principles which Unitarian Universalist congregations affirm and promote: *The inherant worth and dignity of every person; *Justice, equity and compassion in human relations; *Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations; *A free and responsible search for truth and meaning; *The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process in our congregations and in society at large; continued
i live in oklahoma and attended the news conference today at our state capital featuring several reverands and representatives for peace urging sally kerns to come forth and apologize and not to be afraid of the crowd of gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgenders who were there today wanting her to just understand how wrongfully informed she was and how many people her words have hurt. she left her office before the news conference had even started.
Ignorance exposed!!! This will bring light to the rights of all out groups, so in a way this woman has helped us remember to never take our freedoms for granted, and never forget that ignorance dwells in high places......still. We still have to bring awareness folks. I bet she thinks she a Christian too.
Well, you know what happened to Pompei. That was no volcano! They had accepted gays. hehehe. Note to self, skip bonfire night at the gay club in town... Hilarious!
Wow. Thanks to Ellen for bringing this to the attention of more people. Hateful speech against any group of people hurts our society. It would be wonderful if Rep. Kern would agree to meet with Ellen privately (off camera) and discuss the issues with her. I think they would both come out with a better understanding of where the other person was coming from. Even if that conversation could never be made public, it could potentially make a difference in the world. It starts with one person.
"I felt like StillAutumn doing one of her marathon posts! LOL" LMAO!!! But my marathon posts are so friggen informative! You love them! Admit it! LOL I'm just trying to get all the information out there that the people who have all the wrong beliefs about our life have either missed or have had hidden from them by their church, parents or community leaders. They know so little & yet they feel they have the right to judge without knowledge. I guess to some, ignorance is still bliss. How very sad.
You know what is funny I saw a show a few months ago that was about hippies. To freak people out some groups in the middle of the night would quietly sneak into people's houses and move their furniture around and then leave just as quietly. At the time I thought it would be amusing to go to one particular house and continuously rearrange their furniture to drive them insane in a hypothetical scenario.
Any elected official has the right to speak their mind as long as it does NOT promote violating the civil rights of the citizens she/he serves. Sally sits on the education committee and human resource committee among others. If she feels this way, as a teacher she is likely to vote against early childhood education and that doesnt represent her constituents! SHE NEEDS TO LEAVE OFFICE! Promoting hate and violence againts constituents is not doing her JOB!
I live in Holland and homosexuality is totally embraced here and last I checked this country has been around a few decades more than she says it should! :)
Exactly. The most tolerant countries in the world are the most thriving and happy, note: Scandinavian countries, the Netherlands, Australia etc, have the highest reported happiness, well-being and stability, aswell as doing economically well.
As an Oklahoman, I would like all to know that she is not a representative of me or my fellow Oklahomans. I am embarrassed by almost everything she says or does.
This comment started a good string of conversation that was respectful and made for a great exchange. So I have no agenda. I just expect people to respect each other and post respectful comments so that there can be a discussion and not a shouting match about God, Church and homosexuality. I felt like StillAutumn doing one of her marathon posts! LOL.
I live in the district next to Bethany, where Shameful Sally serves. As a victim of terrorism I also know that she cant protect our interests when she puts her imagined threats infront of real threats.
Oklahoman here... You all should have heard about this stuff on the local news. The forums were crazy with arguments. I laugh at people who enjoy putting down homosexuality with some bullshit words to 'back it up', because that's definitely what Ms. Kern did.
She should be brought up on charges of bigotry by her colleagues in the House. Censure is the minimum and expelling her would do the country good. Religious intolerance and gay bashing and pedophilia are direct quotes fro Ms. Kern. This can't be tolerated.
PERSONAL: Sally was born in Jonesboro, Arkansas on November 27, 1946. She is married to Dr. Steve Kern, pastor of Olivet Baptist Church. I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.
*The goal of world community with peace,liberty, and justice for all; *Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part. Notice that nowhere in my faith does it tell anybody what to think or believe, or that they will go to hell if they don't conform. We are committed to social justice worldwide. We draw from as many sources as there are beliefs. We see the religions of the world as sister faiths, all drawing water from a common spring. Usually we don't proseletize.
Why is speaking against wrong, sinful behavior considered hate? If I tell a liar he is wrong for telling lies, does that mean I hate all liars? It would be hate if we ignored sin and didn't tell them--in a compassionate way--that this is not what God wants.
Kern Scaring Away Gay Honcho? Oklahoma lawmaker Sally Kern should have kept her mouth shut. Not only did her anti-gay comments offended countless people, but it may be costing Oklahoma City a lucrative deal. Rumor has it that Kern's remarks may have scared away a lesbian automotive executive who wanted to open an office in the area. The deal, to be brokered by real estate giant Staubach Co., has not yet been taken off the table, but "local business leaders"
According to the operator at the building she holds her office at, she said (recorded on another video) that the staff was trying to respond to messages as quickly as possible to make room for new calls coming in. Perhaps Ellen was checking to see if there was room yet. She's kidding no one. Sally made these statements in a public meeting. Ellen used her public platform to respond to her. It has since been determined that the meeting WAS public. Again, Ellen was defending her life against lies.
I'm going to start taking an interest in the question of why some men are attracted to men and women to women AFTER they've answered the question why most men are attracted to women and women to men.
There was a huge rally in support of Sally yesterday. Only 1,000 people showed up. Considering this was put on by 50 pastors, I'm assuming each paster brought 20 people from their own churches. LOL. Wake up Oklahoma!
the tail end of it ... hence there would have been no way to study it, and as it could never have reached the point where you could refer to it as a society having to pass certain milestones and watershed moments ... it can not be referred to by Mrs. Kern as a society that was destroyed by homosexuality ... but still, I would like to see the studies that Mrs. Kern refers to so openly as I have a curiosity about such things and would like to see her proofs on the matter ... if that is possible.
oh really so there is no possibility that there was an uncle or aunt that may have been an influence, or family friend, or even a grandparent. or maybe he isnt telling the whole truth about his childhood? There is no way to know for sure.
Is there a count for how many people showed up for it and how many people actually rallied against her? I'm glad that some Oklahomans aren't letting this go and they are brave enough to show their disdain for her hateful words.
That's really awesome Mark! It's great to have sane voices when the irrational voices chant! Yes, "We SHALL overcome!"
"trying to figure out which societies have disappeared." That's hysterical!!! That woman is a lawmaker? OMG!
mpatter572 you are AWESOME! Thank you for posting this. I am a Born Again Christian gay man and I actually do stand up to unviel the truth about what the Bible REALLY says about Homosexuality (uh, NOTHING!) :-) And I appreciate you posting this and taking a stand...if we do not stand, we will surely fall.
I've educated GLAAD about the clobber passages as well in the past.
My routine on TH-cam is under "Mystery Mike Hollywood Improv" & "QUEERBURGS" is my webseries
Keep Shining!
She's great! Didn't know that you have such wonderful people on TV over there. :-)
Best Regards from Germany
I love how diplomatic she was about it. She could of rightfully gotten angry and been nasty, but she didn't. Thumbs up!!
"I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you."
LMAO!
And cookies covered with chocolate rainbows!
Oh my god, that sounds delicious.
It's about time we have a real spokesperson for people whom live different lives such as homosexuals. You Go Girl! Ellen keep up the good fight!
Sally Kern was my Senior year Government teacher before she was elected as a state representative. She is an excellent teacher and simply a nice person. Cut out to be a State Representative? Perhaps not...
Roy Williams, president of the Oklahoma City Chamber, said the issue is a major concern the chamber is trying to address. He confirmed a Staubach consultant was troubled by Kern's comments during a recent visit. "He told us straight up ... 'I cannot recommend to any of my clients that they should consider Oklahoma City because of that,'" Williams said. "When you have one of the nation's premier relocation experts making those statements, you should pay attention to that and not dismiss it."
I love the way she handles this. Makes it comedic but still stresses the importance of the issue.
I'm embarrassed to say I lived in Oklahoma when this happened. I didn't vote her in.
I just called the office number...... the voice mail is free to leave a message!!!!!
I have immense respect and admiration for this woman.
Go Ellen indeed.
I would seriously love Ellen to phone Westboro Baptist Church - now that would be something lol
LOL! I loved this show!
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What is beeped out?!
It's worded right. I took it off their website, however, it's confusing. However, I plan on posting the transcripts of the conversation in comments later. In the meantime, you can view the whole article on PFLAG.
This is TV at it's Best! Go Ellen.
"She's clearly just mistaken. She's talked to someone and they've confused her" LOLOLOL
I ran several searches in Guide & couldn't find these words. I did find an article from 1999 about how far we've come since Stonewall. It included the portion that reads, "The gay movement can be rightly proud that we have replaced so much fear with sexual celebration.
But these advances have been accompanied by setbacks. While homophobia has been challenged with notable success, whole new sets of rules punishing all sorts of other "inappropriate" sexual expression have been formulated."
Right on brother! LOL Give her a mean makeover too....:-P
The most dangerous weapon of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed....
Hooray for you Ellen!
Yep you are right. isnt it funny how twisted things are today? bad is good and good is bad. ?!?!!!?
Well put.
From the UUA website
There are 7 principles which Unitarian Universalist congregations affirm and promote:
*The inherant worth and dignity of every person;
*Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
*Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
*A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
*The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process in our congregations and in society at large; continued
Which studies???
Why is it silent at 2:51?
i live in oklahoma and attended the news conference today at our state capital featuring several reverands and representatives for peace urging sally kerns to come forth and apologize and not to be afraid of the crowd of gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgenders who were there today wanting her to just understand how wrongfully informed she was and how many people her words have hurt.
she left her office before the news conference had even started.
Where are they now?
I love you Ellen! Go for it!
Wow. Can you believe that woman?
i totally agree.
lmao. i love ellen. "and a little later on i'll be at the dinah shore golf tournament..." that's awesome.
I am convinced that there is no such thing as "normal people"
Ignorance exposed!!! This will bring light to the rights of all out groups, so in a way this woman has helped us remember to never take our freedoms for granted, and never forget that ignorance dwells in high places......still. We still have to bring awareness folks. I bet she thinks she a Christian too.
Its the Oklahoma water maybe, there must be more of them. People voted for her!
"I'll bet!"
LOL
Well, you know what happened to Pompei. That was no volcano! They had accepted gays. hehehe.
Note to self, skip bonfire night at the gay club in town...
Hilarious!
Right on Ellen! This women is stuck in the 1950's with attitude about minoriites and gays. It's sad that she ever taught school....
Kudos to Ellen and mpatter572 for posting!!
LOL. I posted how I got an email from someone who had been approached by Sally's son and posted about it last week. Why doesn't this surprise me?
Wow. Thanks to Ellen for bringing this to the attention of more people. Hateful speech against any group of people hurts our society. It would be wonderful if Rep. Kern would agree to meet with Ellen privately (off camera) and discuss the issues with her. I think they would both come out with a better understanding of where the other person was coming from. Even if that conversation could never be made public, it could potentially make a difference in the world. It starts with one person.
"I felt like StillAutumn doing one of her marathon posts! LOL"
LMAO!!! But my marathon posts are so friggen informative! You love them! Admit it! LOL I'm just trying to get all the information out there that the people who have all the wrong beliefs about our life have either missed or have had hidden from them by their church, parents or community leaders. They know so little & yet they feel they have the right to judge without knowledge. I guess to some, ignorance is still bliss. How very sad.
PAWNED!!!!
@Deblijeegel Apparently Sally Kern also never heard of Greece or the Roman Empire.
Bravo, Ellen!
2:29 - PERFECT. That says it all.
You know what is funny I saw a show a few months ago that was about hippies. To freak people out some groups in the middle of the night would quietly sneak into people's houses and move their furniture around and then leave just as quietly. At the time I thought it would be amusing to go to one particular house and continuously rearrange their furniture to drive them insane in a hypothetical scenario.
That sally is Just so bigoted...a threat to freedom!
Ellen is beautiful. Inside and out!
whos anita bryant?
did she really called? or is it just onother joke of her?
greetz
Any elected official has the right to speak their mind as long as it does NOT promote violating the civil rights of the citizens she/he serves.
Sally sits on the education committee and human resource committee among others. If she feels this way, as a teacher she is likely to vote against early childhood education and that doesnt represent her constituents!
SHE NEEDS TO LEAVE OFFICE! Promoting hate and violence againts constituents is not doing her JOB!
I'm from Oklahoma - and people like S.K. just piss me off.
That's awful. How can someone in a position of power be so ignorant!?
this woman needs to leave govt right now!
"Hi...ah...ah..the gay one" - that makes me love her even more than I already did
True that!
I live in Holland and homosexuality is totally embraced here and last I checked this country has been around a few decades more than she says it should! :)
Which lasted several millenia longer than "a few decades", didn't it?
Exactly. The most tolerant countries in the world are the most thriving and happy, note: Scandinavian countries, the Netherlands, Australia etc, have the highest reported happiness, well-being and stability, aswell as doing economically well.
How can anyone say that love between any 2 people is wrong
Love you Ellen!! Fight for the right!!
As an Oklahoman, I would like all to know that she is not a representative of me or my fellow Oklahomans. I am embarrassed by almost everything she says or does.
It's probably a good thing she didn't answer. Haha.
That's true, because no one want's to take the blame for their own stupidness and so they blame it on someone else.
I can't believe they re-elected her.
Sally thinks were all gonna turn to salt.
Wow!
youre right, it isnt a choice it's the developmental outcome of a person's psychology depending on events experienced throughout childhood.
This comment started a good string of conversation that was respectful and made for a great exchange.
So I have no agenda. I just expect people to respect each other and post respectful comments so that there can be a discussion and not a shouting match about God, Church and homosexuality.
I felt like StillAutumn doing one of her marathon posts! LOL.
True, true.
I love the way she approached the subject...
Go Ellen!
I live in the district next to Bethany, where Shameful Sally serves. As a victim of terrorism I also know that she cant protect our interests when she puts her imagined threats infront of real threats.
Sally is off her rocker. Ellen, on the other hand, just plain rocks.
Lol this was so funny. Go Ellen!
wow mr. goal, do you not see david is talking about kerns not saying anything about her son, not kerns not saying the stated comments.
Maybe people would feel better if Kern were publicly censured. Or burned at the stake. (I kid! I kid!)
Oklahoman here... You all should have heard about this stuff on the local news. The forums were crazy with arguments. I laugh at people who enjoy putting down homosexuality with some bullshit words to 'back it up', because that's definitely what Ms. Kern did.
Because they don't want to worsen their nut case images by siding with her. LOL
This lady is nuts. She certainly does not worship my G-d.
She should be brought up on charges of bigotry by her colleagues in the House. Censure is the minimum and expelling her would do the country good. Religious intolerance and gay bashing and pedophilia are direct quotes fro Ms. Kern. This can't be tolerated.
I love her smile!!
she is HILARIOUS!!...omg!!...
PERSONAL:
Sally was born in Jonesboro, Arkansas on November 27, 1946. She is married to Dr. Steve Kern, pastor of Olivet Baptist Church.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.
*The goal of world community with peace,liberty, and justice for all;
*Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.
Notice that nowhere in my faith does it tell anybody what to think or believe, or that they will go to hell if they don't conform. We are committed to social justice worldwide. We draw from as many sources as there are beliefs. We see the religions of the world as sister faiths, all drawing water from a common spring.
Usually we don't proseletize.
Go Ellen Go!
Why is speaking against wrong, sinful behavior considered hate? If I tell a liar he is wrong for telling lies, does that mean I hate all liars?
It would be hate if we ignored sin and didn't tell them--in a compassionate way--that this is not what God wants.
Kern Scaring Away Gay Honcho?
Oklahoma lawmaker Sally Kern should have kept her mouth shut. Not only did her anti-gay comments offended countless people, but it may be costing Oklahoma City a lucrative deal. Rumor has it that Kern's remarks may have scared away a lesbian automotive executive who wanted to open an office in the area.
The deal, to be brokered by real estate giant Staubach Co., has not yet been taken off the table, but "local business leaders"
Sally, should be fired for that ignorant ridiculous statement FIRE HER!
According to the operator at the building she holds her office at, she said (recorded on another video) that the staff was trying to respond to messages as quickly as possible to make room for new calls coming in. Perhaps Ellen was checking to see if there was room yet. She's kidding no one. Sally made these statements in a public meeting. Ellen used her public platform to respond to her. It has since been determined that the meeting WAS public. Again, Ellen was defending her life against lies.
Uh...
Rome and Greece. They lasted for freaking ever. And they were HUGE!!!
I'm going to start taking an interest in the question of why some men are attracted to men and women to women AFTER they've answered the question why most men are attracted to women and women to men.
There was a huge rally in support of Sally yesterday. Only 1,000 people showed up. Considering this was put on by 50 pastors, I'm assuming each paster brought 20 people from their own churches. LOL. Wake up Oklahoma!
Has Kern never heard of the Roman Empire, or Athens and Sparta? They lasted far longer than the US has.
Good for Ellen!
the tail end of it ...
hence there would have been no way to study it, and as it could never have reached the point where you could refer to it as a society having to pass certain milestones and watershed moments ... it can not be referred to by Mrs. Kern as a society that was destroyed by homosexuality ... but still, I would like to see the studies that Mrs. Kern refers to so openly as I have a curiosity about such things and would like to see her proofs on the matter ... if that is possible.
oh really so there is no possibility that there was an uncle or aunt that may have been an influence, or family friend, or even a grandparent. or maybe he isnt telling the whole truth about his childhood? There is no way to know for sure.
Is there a count for how many people showed up for it and how many people actually rallied against her? I'm glad that some Oklahomans aren't letting this go and they are brave enough to show their disdain for her hateful words.
2:26 I LOL'D XDDDDD
wow you rocked ellen you are really a brave one wow guts like that is rockin you rocked!!!!