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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 พ.ย. 2023
- The big question of the weekend: Can drivers unlap themselves under red flag conditions? When Oscar Piastri and Daniel Ricciardo found themselves a lap behind after a lap one incident that caused a safety car, which resulted in a red flag, that question seemed to be answered. Or was it?
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Im wondering why non of my regulars talked about the lap down situation, Awesome for you to talk to us about it.
It's called FIA corruption. It's not the first time the FIA has made its own rules. I can see why people lose interest due to governing parties making silly decisions.
This is the second time I’ve heard the tire hit Piastri, but it did not. His wing was broken by the haas being pushed into him.
Fair point. Always the one thing you don't think to check again and base off your memory of the commentary
Yeh it hit Daniel
Liam Lawson would have known about article 58.4 😏
Nothing better to do now than read the manuals, right? BRB giving me flashbacks to being a teen golfer among a sea of middle aged ladies and having to learn the rulebook front to back to avoid getting dragged over the coals for the worlds most minor etiquette infringement 😅
amazing content i want to see this keep going! need more new people into the f1 community.
Great Breakdown! I didn't realize this
Totaly agree it was ridiculous that they were set a lap down, especially when the damage was not their fault.
great breakdown thx
Well said about the full time steward's having to explain themself's after race.
Good info lady...
The safety car overtaking message comes out because they may or may not allow lapped cars to overtake, so notification is required.
58.4 says cars "will" be allowed to unlap themselves, so no notification is required as it will always happen.
I hope both teams made a mistake, and it wasn't someone making up new rules on the spot.
Good lord the worst part about this comment is that yes, I absolutely know that race control will consider that level of semantics in the regs when deciding whether or not to issue a notification 💀 Based on the team radio and the comments DR made in the post-race though it sounds to me like it was a race control decision after at least some debate, rather than a team cock up.
This and Tsunoda hitting Piastri in Mexico were the most costly moments for the team. Interesting how Piastri was involved twice
And neither incident was Piastri's fault. Indeed, he and Daniel had a thrilling wheel to wheel fight in Mexico that saw them come within inches of each other. It is not Piastri's fault that Tsunoda had a total meltdown and crashed into him three times, nor is it his fault that he was hit from behind by Magnussen.
Sort of proves the theory of the Australian curse, though. He and Daniel had some rotten luck this year.
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Correct, I forgot about Ricciardo and Piastri’s battle. Ricciardo is underrated as a wheel-to-wheel racer, very clean and composed
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Precisely. The admiration of Ricciardo as "last of the late brakers" was that they weren't divebombs, but clean moves. Piastri has also shown this ability and Webber was so clean and tidy Alonso felt comfortable going wheel to wheel through Eau Rouge...so much great racing from the Aussie drivers.
I think you may be right!
Like the drain cover incident with Sainz and the undeserved (and unjustified) punishment.
I think its less about interpretation of that rule and more about interpretation of other rules, such as 58.12, 58.8 and 58.3 along with some others. Essentially they were already in the pits when the race was suspended so it wasnt just that they were lapped. Also had they of continued and followed the other cars in, they would have had to be removed from the fast lane inorder for the work to be carried out. They also could not have been in the fast lane at the 5 minute mark due to work being done still at that point. 58.7 may also have been involved. I cant remember if they went out for the formation lap before the restart to be honest.
Eitherway i think this is another example of how the FIA need a much clearer rule set, there are so many contradictory rules and unclear situations its unreal. Ive read the rules many times and am still confused sometimes.
I think by the time the 5 minute mark was called, both cars had all wheels fitted but the tire blankets were still on, which I guess is because they already knew they wouldn't be going out for the extra lap. The other rules in section 58 could be interpreted that way, if only because they didn't cross the safety car line on the second lap, but IDK man. They did go out for the formation lap, they just had to draw back into the pits instead of taking the grid.
I think DR's comment in the post-race interviews was pretty on the mark. If a huge number of cars were damaged and had to do the same as AT and McLaren, can you see them all being made to start a lap down? Plus the red flag probably should have been called on that first lap as well, so the disadvantage was also partially race control's doing.
You're so right it's suuuper unclear and way too open to interpretation with the way it's worded. I didn't even consider the rest of that section applying to the delayed cars themselves, only those affected around them.
*Edit* I realise now you're talking about 57.5 - pit lane removal but there's no explicit statement in there that they can't be allowed out to unlap, only that they're required to restart from the back in order of arrival, so I think considering the circumstances (red flag called a lap too late in all fairness due to how clear it was the barriers would need repairing, logic dictating had it not been called the cars would have retired due to being in unsafe condition through no fault of their own) you're double right - this is definitely a classic example of semantics leaving way too much room for interpretation and race control choosing the most annoying and illogical outcome.
Great point - I nominate you for FIA Prez!! 🙂
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Red Bull, Mercedes and Ferrari would have protested the error and got compensated.
FIA not knowing safety car rules that's never happened before ( Max's first championship)
Good job!
I wondered whether they did unlap themselves, but were two laps down and only recovered one lap. IIRC, they pitted at the end of lap 1, but the red was thrown on lap 3 so they would have been two laps down but they started one lap down. The rules only allow the recovery of one lap so did they take that lap?
no, they never got to un-lap. The rest of the grid only did one lap more than Ricciardo and Piastri, and both cars joined the end of the line of cars from the garage when they were doing the formation lap.
The red flag was flown on lap two, it's just they passed the start/finish line on pit entry so technically they were on lap three while waiting for the restart. The formation lap was thus lap three, and the race restarted properly from the grid on lap four because the formation lap is counted as a racing lap due to fuel loads etc. I thought the same thing during the original watch through tbh though, we were talking so much during the safety car that I lost track of the laps so I definitely see where you're coming from!
the problem they worked in the garage not outside
The rules regarding lapped cars being allowed to unlap themselves are stupid and dangerous. Lapped cars should get out of the way and let cars on the lead lap come through to the front.
Great content But we are talking about the pinnacle of a sport and if they don't use the rules to their advantage its that teams fault I don't think its the job of the FIA treat the teams like babies. The FIA should enforce the rules better and faster if they have been broken.
NOt disagreeing with that FIA ballsed it up again, but its also the teams responsibilities to know the rules as well, so some responsibility must lie with alpaturi here.... but on another note great to a have a woman F1 channel, and also picking up something everyone else seemed to miss.... 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks for the support mate, I reckon it's gonna be a bit of an uphill battle so nice to see there's people out there who're interested
@@KimmyCaultonF1 i wont disagree with you on the uphill battle, but if you pump the content out and its good content, people will watch ..... maybe that guy with the bikini video was on the money 👍👍👍👍👍👍😜😜
All the cars were placed in the pitlane so there was no room to pass wether they were allowed to or not.
Nah mate cars get shuffled in the pitlane on the reg during red flags. They just chuck them on the dollies and wheel them into place plus they're (just) wide enough for two abreast or unsafe releases would be a hell of a lot more dramatic!