As someone who is right now reading up on NUMA architecture (we're having a bit of a performance issue with a SQL server vm on vsphere that has more memory than a single NUMA domain) I can tell you that a Xeon cpu is in NO WAY a compact single die implementation as they would have you believe. Memory transfers between local and remote memory have a massive impact on performance on Intel chips. My plan to upgrade my homelab with Threadripper has just been strengthened so much. Fuck you Intel, this isn't a schoolyard.
I read the review comparison, I think Anantech(?) did they only tested DB with one that fit in intel's L3 so it looked really bad for Epyc, but in their other tests with overall memory bandwidth with multiple threads Epyc kicked Intel's ass so bad. I forget offhand but I think it was almost double in some circumstances. Since most Databases are dozens if not hundreds of GB, I expect that would help a lot.
If you look a bit deeper into the xeon intel compared to the 1800x, it's ~$2200 USD. So it's fair to compare a $450 desktop cpu to a $2200 server cpu? Come on intel, at least TRY to make a good case.
Like linus said it's kinda okay to compare at 2.2ghz since it's basically a server die sold to the desktop. What Intel didn't show was power conmsumption, thermals, methodology and PRICE.
Michael Low Plus desktop processor need much higher clocks to run well while server processors can run fine without a super high clock speed. So an underclock on a desktop processor will crush it's proformance while an underclock on a server processor will not make nearly as big of a difference.
It's fair. Price is based on consumer perspective not production cost. If it performs better, you should expect it to be more expensive. Regarding power consumption, I am sure intel's chip has an advantage especially when they are testing the thing at the same frequency.
It's just the same old shit with intel, the moment AMD becomes competetive they start playing dirty. A good product at a good value with a good attitude are 3 things intel never has & probably never will do at the same time.
Intel has been fucking us in the ass the last 7 years because of no competition. My 7600K will be the last Intel CPU I buy for awhile. Next will be Ryzen 1600.
John Connor As much as I like your attitude and agree with your first sentence, unless you have multi-thread focused tasks, you'll be spending money unnecessarily. Don't make a stupid consumer decision just because the company fucked up.
+Mike Soda 6 cores are unnecessary if he's only planning on gaming. The 7600K performs as well or better than the R5 1600 in gaming and single-threaded tasks. Moreover, it can clock higher, further widening the gap in single-threaded performance. Like I said, unless he has specific multi-thread focused tasks (like content creation), it would be a waste of money to buy the R5 1600.
+Steven Aque True but when I heard that Intel is basically giving the finger to their customers of Kaby Lake, makes one ponder about lifespan. i7-7700k's are experiencing extremely high random temp spikes & Intel's answer was to not overclock them. Which from my perspective is basically saying the chips are faulty & even though they're sold unlocked. The company doesn't care to support anything other than strictly stock. Unless you've got loads to throw around & the time to build a new system every few months. I'd rather go with a company that doesn't act that way.
So when Ryzen came out it was ok to test Ryzen at 3.9-4 Ghz and the 7700k at 5Ghz OC , but now we need to downclock ryzen by almost half just to make Intel look good , talk about hypocrisy...
@Momiji Ok , fair point , so if Intel can reach higher clocks , why didn't they downclock the intel cpu's in the Ryzen comparisons , but now they are downclocking them by 40%? From my POV When they needed Intel to be on top they OC and said that they can do it , now because Intel can't reach 4Ghz they downclock , no matter what Intel has to be on top. If they wanted true IPC test they would have never overclocked to 5Ghz while testing Ryzen. Simple as that.
@grinch I dont think a server needs clocks as high as 4ghz. From what i've seen online server pc's benefit from more cores. i think this is why epyc frightens them. also, intel has always cherry picked test reults and made unfair tests to promote their products. so does amd. look at the official amd ryzen games test of ashes of the singularity and compare it to videos of people running the exact same system. on another note, qualcomm is looking to join the desktop cpu family and is already working on a sever cpu. so soon we might have another company to root for.
Server stuff never run at that high clocks. They need to keep TDP down since the small cases are stuffed full and coolers have to be slim. Also servers rarely use lowly 8 core models.
@daylinghtriot, sotajumalaa I don't own and never owned a server but I had a few vps's a while back for work purposes and trust me for that kind of task to have 1 core at 3Ghz instead of 1 core at 2ghz makes all the difference. So in virtualiziation where you need to run an os on each core or 2 cores , trust me the higher frequency is awesome. And besides he tdp of epyc is not that bad under load. And I agree with the cherry picking part , it's true but I guess that's just marketing. My only grief with this besides the "glued " together part is that they downclocked ryzen so much and people were buthurt when Amd downclocked a 7700k to 4Ghz to match the ryzen. I mean it's one thing a few hundred Mhz but another 40%? P.S. If you don't believe me try some free vps providers and see the difference between 1ghz and 1.5 on clock speed. Then imagine it at 3.5 or whatever epyc runs at.
@Grinch i think you misunderstood me. im not saying that cpu frequency is irrelevant. What im saying is that servers see more performance gains by having more cores. for example: a quad core clocked at 5ghz will not perform as well as a 16 core cpu at 3 or even 2ghz. that is why all modern server cpu's focus more on core count than single core performance. most server motherboards even come with two or more cpu slots so it can use more cores. From what i gather, heat used to be an issue with high clockspeeds for servers. Im not sure if thats still a thing though. Heres a link to validate what im saying: www.excitingip.com/1468/server-processor-basics-multiple-processors-multiple-cores-and-multiple-threads/ on another note, i sort of get why both companies use downclocking in their tests as it shows which cpu performs better at that frequency. but id still agree that this test methodology is pretty fucked up as it doesnt really show real world performnce. From what i've seen of the cpu marketshare this quarter i'd say intel are justified in being worried about threadripper. Amd hasnt made massive gains yet but it is ryzen ;P
You know that Intel is sweating when they need to more or less lie about AMD cpu performance. But that's what happens when you're spoiled with almost all the market share. Once the good times end, you actually have to... You know, produce a decent product at a decent price.
One funny thing is Intel can't just drop the price by a large margin for the next generation of CPUs. Owners of previous generations will be very angry as they feel being ripped off.
Yup. Just look at mobile CPUs. i7 with only 2 cores WITH A HEFTY PREMIUM ADDED compared to i3 or i5. Even more with 4 cores i7 mobile CPUs... Waiting for Ryzen based APUs to come out.
OR, OR, you could keep shoving sticks in the opponent's wheels like they have been doing for many years, same as Nvidia, you can blackmail/stimulate everyone to stop cooperating with AMD (remember hairworks games like Witcher 3)...
remnbig31 Intel was never the hero, they have a long history of illegal and unethical activity. They are still fighting their $1.17 billion antitrust fine the EU put on them.
surprised he made no reference to the illegal tactics Intel committed to keep Athlon 64 out of market. Basically paying OEMs to not use AMD chips, if they did Intel cut supply of their CHIPs.. Paid retailers and OEMs to delays AMD products to market by 4-6 months. just one thing after another.
Nope, that honor goes to fanboys. I mean look at comment sections on these videos, you got guys with perfectly fine machine, which are willing to go out and SPEND their own money, on new cpu's, just because they think it will tick Intel off.
That's right! We got Intel all wrong. They put little Xs on the AMD checkboxes, so they're saying AMD is NOT inconsistent and glued-together and barren as their bedrooms.
No need to sue Intel for two reasons. 1) Intel has suffered the damage, they're now basically in damage control mode aka desperation fools; And 2) suing only goes to show AMD wants the easy way out - why take that route when you can dethrone the competition and let them cry all over it? Witnessing intel's dirty practices only adds up to AMD's satisfaction. I bet AMD staff might be reading intel's bs statements and having some fun at their expense.
No need, really. AMD has a great product with Ryzen. Instead of reacting to Intels childish approach, they should let Ryzen/Threadripper and Epyc do the talking. That's the best PR.
Even if both processors are 8 core @2.2GHz. The Xeon is a $1500 processor server grade processor. Ryzen 7 is a $500 consumer grade processor. They are saying that Ryzen 7 which is aimed to gamers can compete with their 3 times more expensive server processor and only going that route they got benchmarks favourable for them. That's pathetic.
Are Epyc processors not built using the same CCX modules as the Ryzen desktop counterparts? Thats kinda how AMD is able to price this shit so well, using the scale-ability of the CCX modules.
Intel and AMD make a whole bunch of processors, and then they make the higher quality ones server chips, the lesser ones consumer chips. AMD's infinity fabric allows them to use lower core count dies together to make high core count processors and so they have way better yields. Intel makes high core count dies, but of course they are much more likely to have to throw away or disable parts of their chips because of the higher likelihood of defects on the larger dies.
Its amateur hour at Intel. Intel knows they are screwed. When AMD releases thread ripper products aimed at data centers at the same performance and half price point, Intel is done.
So if check marks are "yes" and Xs are "no" then aren't all the Intel slides saying that AMD has no inconsistent performance, no poor track record, and no lack of ecosystem?
I was a fan of AMD. They basically invented hybrid 32/64-bit. (The Intel who "knows" datacenter's Itanium pure 64-bit was a bit of a joke by comparison.) AMD basically invented frequency scaling. AMD was the first to go with fully integrated memory controllers. Went wild with high-speed component busses (HyperTransport). They basically invented true multi-core (where cores are lighter weight than that Pentium mentioned, which was multiple whole-CPU dies…) Only lately has Intel been in a realm of stability after having _caught up_ to AMD. Intel are seriously butthurt with all of the _lack_ of innovation on their side.
AMD did not really invent much of what you mention, they were only first on the PC. The problem with the Itanium was that it was designed by committee after the lead designer had passed away which led to an overengineered architecture .. and then it did not have competitive x86 performance.
GothAlice and emperorSbraz , the first ever chip to do Frequency Scaling was the VIA Cryix III/VIA C3 w LongHual (2000 - 2001) - but in Intel Vs AMD - AMD introduced scaling frequency first, a full two years before Intel (2003 Vs 2005) -Edit: i might be wrong about VIA if the AMD K6-2+ did have Frequency Scaling, which released a whole 2 years before VIA and 7 years before Intel (1998) - problem is tho cant find anything concrete that K6-2+ had frequency scaling, but it is in some lists for AMD's PowerNow! technology
GothAlice They actually surpassed AMD by a far amount, to the point of even completely taking over every market there is, budget, mid end, and high end, only until recently has AMD actually been able to properly compete with Intel and grab hold of a significant portion of the consumer market since I think the early 2000s.
Intel: Don't use EPYC for your servers because a 7700K will beat an 1800X in games by a few FPS >tfw you have to use gaming benchmarks to generate FUD about server chips
Ok I know it is not the cpu department of AMD, but look up "AMD Radeon™ Graphics Presents: The Fixer" on TH-cam. AMD was a bunch of salty troll bitches then.
RushDark they specifically showed an nVidia gpu being installed into the pc and the end user had problems with it that AMD man fixed with an AMD gpu. It can not get any more direct than that.
sotajumalaa There is definitely a difference between this and that. The Fixer was definitely shitting on Nvidia and pretty much was saying that "Nvidia sucks, go AMD" but this isn't anything companies haven't done before. The thing is that those official slides by intel contained a lot of misinformation and blatant lies about their competitor and just seemed very unprofessionally done. The Fixer wasn't meant to be professional and didn't actually try to spread any misinformation about their competitor's product and were really just having fun.
If you're speaking of LTT, yes, they are sponsored by both. BUT, its been SOOO incredibly long since AMD has come out with anything innovative that Intel has enjoyed a crazy long time of sunshine and rainbows from ALL reviewers. I left the PC scene about a dozen years ago only to return and find out AMD hadn't done a damn thing the whole time I've been gone! Then,, the RX series drops.. . WOW! Then Ryzen.. . Whoa!! Now,, with Epyc and Threadripper.. . HOLY SH!T!!! When I first came back into the fold I was upset to see AMD wasn't getting any coverage from reviewers. Then I found out quite quickly tha they hadn't done anything of note worth the reviewers attention, which frustrated me to no end because I loved AMD back in the proverbial day. now, with all thats come to light in the past year and a half I've been back--- I'm so happy to see AMD back in the Limelight. I'm happy to see Intel sweating. I'M JUST FKN HAPPY!!!
how convenient I just woke up lol. Well, I'm not going to upgrade until it becomes slow, and for probably 3 more years it will be fine. doesn't mean I'm going to be supporting intel again though
Don't Read My Profile Picture I got mine pre-Kaby Lake and pre-Ryzen. I'll go for AMD if it's for family computer. But I still must respect the client decisions.
I was originall gonna have a G4560 and GTX 1050 Ti in my build, but nah, I'm going with a Ryzen 5 1400 (or a Ryzen 3 not sure) and RX 560 (if its fking in stock... cryptocunts)
The following masterpiece is made by Elite Club: Linus and Edzel are sitting on the WAN show set, nervously preparing for the broadcast. They both sense their feelings, stirring up in each other as they hear each other softly breathing. "We're going to be late getting the WAN show up again" says Edzel. "What? Why?" Linus exclaimed, "What could be holding up our broadcast now?" he said nervously knowing that there wasn't anything technical going wrong, but emotionally, things were about to get right. "I've noticed you eyeing me like an ASUS Strix motherboard all day..." Edsel proclaimed. "It's all true" Linus admitted "I've loved you ever since you joined us at Linus Media Group, and I even dedicated a space in petabyte project where I've stored only videos with you in them." Edsel gasps, feeling anxious to finally reveal to his boss that he wishes to be his lover, "I always knew about it, I maintained the integrity of the database there and made sure it was hidden to the rest of the employees because I knew how happy it made you, and I only wish I could make you that happy myself" Linus thinks to himself about how WAN show is never on time, "Perhaps we can have a TechQuickie, then after WAN show we can Radeon Chill" Edzel excited by the prospect wraps his arms around Linus, and they share a loving kiss. "We don't have much time, and you get me hotter than Skylake-X" Linus said. He immediately dropped his trousers, revealing his thermal paste tube with a pea sized drop of precum oozing out. Edzel runs his hands all over Linus, eventually smearing the precum on Linus's stomach as if it were thermal paste on a heatspread. Soon Linus pulls down Edzel's pants, and bends over the WAN show desk. "We're already late, we can't waste much time." Linus knew the WAN show could wait, but his body could not. Edzel enters his thunderbolt port, just as Luke enters the room. Luke gasps in shock, feeling despair that he shall never know the love the Edzel now does. "Why must I always sit in the shadow" he bellows, linus interreupting says "I can have more than one sponsor Luke." Luke in his excitement immediately disrobes and says "Let's see how you handle a multi-threaded workload. For five minutes the three make love in various positions like the radiators in a Phanteks Enthoo Evolve case. Soon they begin to climax. "I'm about to thermal throttle" Edzel grunts, dumping his data along with Luke inside Linus's page file. Luke in post-coitus ecstasy pro-claims, "I haven't had such a good time since I benchmarked the GTX 1080 Ti" with which Linus responds "the real life workloads are way better than I imagined while running synthetic benchmarks."
I think you guys missed one point about the Xeon vs 1800X comparison: the 1800X is only a dual channel product when the corresponding EPYC part is an 8 channel part. Zen is known to be primarily bottlenecked by memory bandwidth and speed, so it seems like Intel intentionally introduced that handicap to give itself an artificial edge rather than a true apples to apples comparison.
Would you like a 4C/8T at >3.5GHz ? You can either spend 180$ for AMD's Ryzen 5 1500x or more than 300$ for an i7 that's gonna come out every year with a different number but it's actually the same, just 5% faster.
Juan Manuel 5% faster than the previous Intel CPU's, not the competition. Also, I like how you moved the goalpost to the 1800X when the point was that AMD offers a 4c/8t CPU for the cost of an i5. The i7 may be faster in single-threaded workloads, but Ryzen fairs better with multi-threading, which is becoming increasingly more relevant and is why people are recommending i7's over i5's. Ryzen offers much better value in-between the entry and high-end market segments.
McAfree is on Intel's list. The fact you are working with McAfree is not something to brag about. That is something you hang your head and say with the upmost SHAME.
With lack of AMD presence for the past few years, I've been an Intel man with an i7 4770K. But petty practice like this pisses me off. Fuck you Intel, just when I think I couldn't dislike you more, you do stuff like this. Something serious better happen or else AMD will be my next platform upgrade
When the price/performance difference between AMD/Intel (or AMD/Nvidia) is negligible, I personally think you should always put your money towards those who deserve it.
if that's true, you just shown the world, how fucking dumb you are, and how little it takes to convince you. I mean, seriously how can anyone be so retarded? "Im going to show this big company which i already paid thousand of bucks, by spending more of my hard earned money on a upgrade which i basiclly don't need"
I don't even want to buy Intel parts for my new PC now... I had no choice given the lack of mini ITX boards for AM4 in my area. But now I think I'll just wait for those parts to come if I have to. I will *NOT* be a consumer to a company like this!
Intel calls AMD an inconsistent supplier? I live in Toronto and both Canada Computers and NCIX have multiple stores here but I have been unable for the last 4 months to get a Pentium G4560. Out of stock all stores.
Given the price hikes on the 4560, you might be better off just getting a 4620. I've seen at least two low budget tech channels cover this angle and compare, and with the price inflation it's a couple hundred extra mhz for just a little more, and they seem to be more in stock.
Just a tip, go for Ryzen 3. Given that it hasn't been in stock for 4 months it will be out sooner and give better performance undoubtedly. Do some research at lease.
24:18 Of course there is nothing wrong compering Intel's $2,200 130W TDP 8C Xeon server chip to a sub-$500 Ryzen 7 1800X with a 95W TDP and downclocking the 1800X to 2.2GHz in order for their Xeon to look somewhat competitive. Well played Linus, well payed indeed.
Also they've tried 'stitched' approach first: In a statement, Intel said, “We take all competitors seriously, and while AMD is trying to re-enter the server market segment, Intel continues to deliver 20-plus years of uninterrupted data center innovations while maintaining broad ecosystem investments. Our Xeon CPU architecture is proven and battle tested, delivering outstanding performance on a wide range of workloads and specifically designed to maximize data center performance, capabilities, reliability, and manageability. With our next-generation Xeon Scalable processors, we expect to continue offering the highest core and system performance versus AMD. AMD’s approach of stitching together 4 desktop die in a processor is expected to lead to inconsistent performance and other deployment complexities in the data center.” It didn't work. Now they are trying the 'glue' approach. The 7nm GloFlo node next year will complete their five stages of grief and loss cycle.
The argument is that the IPC of Epyc vs Ryzen is going to be essentially the same, so it's a fair comparison considering core count and clock speed were the same. Use that brain next time.
thought Microsoft had made a deal with AMD for Epyc in Azure? As far as inconsistent supply goes, where's the i9 18 core? :D. I like how they even included the Epyc architecture layout with the 2x16 PCIe interfaces for Epyc and conveniently don't list the Intel PCIe. This mud slinging by intel merely confirms what people are thinking. AMD are ahead and intel are reeling. They could have just not put anything out and it would have been FAR less damaging than this presentation. I honestly can not believe how amateur and childish it looks. They could have listed things they do actually have, like AVX512, Optane, Thunderbolt, etc.
The A8N32 SLI Deluxe was the board I used in my first ever PC build. That solid copper heatpipe running down the motherboard was a thing of beauty. The pictures simply don't do it justice.
Homsi Rre should've bought a used Z800 and got all the system power potential for half the cost of just that CPU. they're already laughing at you all the way to the bank.
i brought a R7 1700 hrs after it hit the shelf. (had to wait for it to get here after that) Totally worth it. mATX build, works a treat, also don't have a heat issue. i been watching how tech has been going for yr's, intel got complacent, also they have laid off some RnD staff before ryzens release from what i read annnd they have been over charging and not following thru with promises for the past 5 yrs
Wait hold on. Amd does alot of innovation. 64 bit? That was them and we all use that now. Its the standard. Infinity fabric type technology. They called it years ago and now nvidia is coming out with it and intel will have to unless they have some real miracle innovation. Some major cpu leaps coming from them.
Tristhal a couple months ago intel opened up some job listing for a new core architecture RnD, and they only want to change just now, after Ryzen comes out! WTF intel!
I love how Intel is acting like a baby who lost it's candy. AMD came back and gained a bit of market share like "hey, we're back guys..." and now Intel is just like "GIVE IT BACK, IT'S MINE". Intel is honestly making a huge fool of themselves and probably making their whole situation worse.
The whole reason AMD ryzen isn't popular is because we don't see it being advertised anywhere, no commercial's it was only TH-cam where I heard the term ryzen and other sources. Maybe if they advertise it a little bit better we can see how much it can take the cpu market in pre built pc's and ect. Not seeing a i7 or i3 or i5, wanting to see a ryzen 7 ryzen 3 and a ryzen 5 on some random computer. And then on the other side we can see an Intel powered cpu. Then we can see true competition.
Nathaniel Lewis 😂😂 that's why I was confused Intel uses glue not amd. Why would they point out something that a lot of people know that's why they have such problems with over heating.
64bit windows was a direct the result of AMD, xp x64 literally was AMD64 edition..... relating to Microsoft and software optimization (Itanium where are you???)..... core2quad, duo etc were glued too
Intel is not getting more of my money. I'm usually a Mac guy but I'd probably rather build an AMD Windows build especially if Apple keeps choosing to put overpriced Intel processors into their higher end machines (which they will because of thunderbolt which I don't give a shit about especially if you have these cool things called PCIe Lanes)
Well.. still no need to upgrade my 3770K since i only do gaming and some office work and also have some headroom if I OC it more.. But if I had to buy new now it would be AMD without a doubt. B350 with a 1700 looks nice
i mean anyone can make a conparason page, i'll do one right now, Intel batshit insane that they lost market share - Amd actually being innovative. Intel losing site of why it is good to have a competitor - Amd working hard to improve, and not being salty Intel compares price to proformance cpus with their stupidly expensive cpus, that only seem to have 15%- 20% more proformance, but cost 500 bucks more. - Amd Coming out with exciting products, that might inspire intel to come out with some good stuff of their own....
If you think Intel is salty now, wait when Threadripper absolutely destroys X299. At least the Xeons have some competitive edge at some workloads and sadly Global Foundries will be completely unable to supply a serious market share for AMD. AMD taking 20% of the server market would already be huge simple because of production constraints. If AMD can maintain that for a couple of years they will not be departing again and will finally have some money to continue competing, also much better against Nvidia. That said, AMD really got Intel with there pants down, and now they start playing dirty, again. We can only hope that OEMs will keep selling AMD and won't be bribed or blackmailed again by Intel...
DaniëlWW2 hey, I wonder if GloFo unable to fill AMD demand would mean we'd finally got some TSMC goodness. Once that chip comes out Intel is really screwed,
WTF 'choose your own adventure'. I've heard that three times today. Heard it on an old 'Opie and Anthony' show when they jocktobered 'Scott and Todd'. Then on 'The Rubin Report' with Andrew Klaven. Now here. Three different shows, from three different time periods. Simulation theory comfirmed.
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As someone who is right now reading up on NUMA architecture (we're having a bit of a performance issue with a SQL server vm on vsphere that has more memory than a single NUMA domain) I can tell you that a Xeon cpu is in NO WAY a compact single die implementation as they would have you believe. Memory transfers between local and remote memory have a massive impact on performance on Intel chips.
My plan to upgrade my homelab with Threadripper has just been strengthened so much. Fuck you Intel, this isn't a schoolyard.
I read the review comparison, I think Anantech(?) did they only tested DB with one that fit in intel's L3 so it looked really bad for Epyc, but in their other tests with overall memory bandwidth with multiple threads Epyc kicked Intel's ass so bad. I forget offhand but I think it was almost double in some circumstances. Since most Databases are dozens if not hundreds of GB, I expect that would help a lot.
If you look a bit deeper into the xeon intel compared to the 1800x, it's ~$2200 USD. So it's fair to compare a $450 desktop cpu to a $2200 server cpu? Come on intel, at least TRY to make a good case.
Michael Low They underclocked the 1800x to 2.2ghz as well.
Like linus said it's kinda okay to compare at 2.2ghz since it's basically a server die sold to the desktop. What Intel didn't show was power conmsumption, thermals, methodology and PRICE.
Michael Low Plus desktop processor need much higher clocks to run well while server processors can run fine without a super high clock speed. So an underclock on a desktop processor will crush it's proformance while an underclock on a server processor will not make nearly as big of a difference.
It's fair. Price is based on consumer perspective not production cost. If it performs better, you should expect it to be more expensive. Regarding power consumption, I am sure intel's chip has an advantage especially when they are testing the thing at the same frequency.
Michael Low an UNDERCLOCKED 450$ cpu at that
It's just the same old shit with intel, the moment AMD becomes competetive they start playing dirty. A good product at a good value with a good attitude are 3 things intel never has & probably never will do at the same time.
Intel has been fucking us in the ass the last 7 years because of no competition. My 7600K will be the last Intel CPU I buy for awhile. Next will be Ryzen 1600.
John Connor As much as I like your attitude and agree with your first sentence, unless you have multi-thread focused tasks, you'll be spending money unnecessarily. Don't make a stupid consumer decision just because the company fucked up.
+Steven Aque 6 cores ain't unnecessary.
+Mike Soda 6 cores are unnecessary if he's only planning on gaming. The 7600K performs as well or better than the R5 1600 in gaming and single-threaded tasks. Moreover, it can clock higher, further widening the gap in single-threaded performance. Like I said, unless he has specific multi-thread focused tasks (like content creation), it would be a waste of money to buy the R5 1600.
+Steven Aque True but when I heard that Intel is basically giving the finger to their customers of Kaby Lake, makes one ponder about lifespan. i7-7700k's are experiencing extremely high random temp spikes & Intel's answer was to not overclock them. Which from my perspective is basically saying the chips are faulty & even though they're sold unlocked. The company doesn't care to support anything other than strictly stock. Unless you've got loads to throw around & the time to build a new system every few months. I'd rather go with a company that doesn't act that way.
So when Ryzen came out it was ok to test Ryzen at 3.9-4 Ghz and the 7700k at 5Ghz OC , but now we need to downclock ryzen by almost half just to make Intel look good , talk about hypocrisy...
@Momiji Ok , fair point , so if Intel can reach higher clocks , why didn't they downclock the intel cpu's in the Ryzen comparisons , but now they are downclocking them by 40%?
From my POV When they needed Intel to be on top they OC and said that they can do it , now because Intel can't reach 4Ghz they downclock , no matter what Intel has to be on top. If they wanted true IPC test they would have never overclocked to 5Ghz while testing Ryzen. Simple as that.
@grinch I dont think a server needs clocks as high as 4ghz. From what i've seen online server pc's benefit from more cores. i think this is why epyc frightens them.
also, intel has always cherry picked test reults and made unfair tests to promote their products. so does amd. look at the official amd ryzen games test of ashes of the singularity and compare it to videos of people running the exact same system.
on another note, qualcomm is looking to join the desktop cpu family and is already working on a sever cpu. so soon we might have another company to root for.
Server stuff never run at that high clocks. They need to keep TDP down since the small cases are stuffed full and coolers have to be slim. Also servers rarely use lowly 8 core models.
@daylinghtriot, sotajumalaa I don't own and never owned a server but I had a few vps's a while back for work purposes and trust me for that kind of task to have 1 core at 3Ghz instead of 1 core at 2ghz makes all the difference. So in virtualiziation where you need to run an os on each core or 2 cores , trust me the higher frequency is awesome. And besides he tdp of epyc is not that bad under load.
And I agree with the cherry picking part , it's true but I guess that's just marketing. My only grief with this besides the "glued " together part is that they downclocked ryzen so much and people were buthurt when Amd downclocked a 7700k to 4Ghz to match the ryzen. I mean it's one thing a few hundred Mhz but another 40%?
P.S. If you don't believe me try some free vps providers and see the difference between 1ghz and 1.5 on clock speed. Then imagine it at 3.5 or whatever epyc runs at.
@Grinch i think you misunderstood me. im not saying that cpu frequency is irrelevant. What im saying is that servers see more performance gains by having more cores.
for example: a quad core clocked at 5ghz will not perform as well as a 16 core cpu at 3 or even 2ghz. that is why all modern server cpu's focus more on core count than single core performance. most server motherboards even come with two or more cpu slots so it can use more cores. From what i gather, heat used to be an issue with high clockspeeds for servers. Im not sure if thats still a thing though.
Heres a link to validate what im saying: www.excitingip.com/1468/server-processor-basics-multiple-processors-multiple-cores-and-multiple-threads/
on another note, i sort of get why both companies use downclocking in their tests as it shows which cpu performs better at that frequency. but id still agree that this test methodology is pretty fucked up as it doesnt really show real world performnce.
From what i've seen of the cpu marketshare this quarter i'd say intel are justified in being worried about threadripper. Amd hasnt made massive gains yet but it is ryzen ;P
There was so much salt in that intel slide i got sodium poisoning.
AMD should use Intel's slides in their marketing campaign. Really piss them off. Just pointing out the wrongs won't land a lawsuit.
YES
WOULD PAY FOR THAT
"Glued together. Oh wait, no thats Intel's IHS, not our dies or IHS"
glued together is what INTEL did and AMD never have done..
They should. It could like be those funny funny color ball commercial war from the mobile carriers heh.
Luke's mom is great and absolute gold.
Gatsefy is she like Stiffler's mom?
You know that Intel is sweating when they need to more or less lie about AMD cpu performance.
But that's what happens when you're spoiled with almost all the market share. Once the good times end, you actually have to... You know, produce a decent product at a decent price.
XtremeConditions remember the benchmarks positively benefitting Intel? this has always been a thing
One funny thing is Intel can't just drop the price by a large margin for the next generation of CPUs. Owners of previous generations will be very angry as they feel being ripped off.
Yup. Just look at mobile CPUs. i7 with only 2 cores WITH A HEFTY PREMIUM ADDED compared to i3 or i5. Even more with 4 cores i7 mobile CPUs... Waiting for Ryzen based APUs to come out.
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OR, OR, you could keep shoving sticks in the opponent's wheels like they have been doing for many years, same as Nvidia, you can blackmail/stimulate everyone to stop cooperating with AMD (remember hairworks games like Witcher 3)...
tech videos is the only place these days where you can find normal , helping comments instead of those begging for attention ones
when everyone's complaining about Intel in the comments and I'm just looking for the time stamps for mobile users
Funny to hear Intel giving amd crap about "gluing" cpu's together, considering they have been gluing the lids on their new chips.
kaz [curb your enthusiasm theme]
Not really sure what that means, but ... Thank you ... ? lol
kaz It's a meme song except hasnt reached mainstream meme territory yet.
Yeah but you can de-lid the Intel chips and replace the glue with actual TIM but you can't de-CPU(?) a Threadripper. Either way, both are pretty bad.
kaz "New"? They've done that since Ivy
"you either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain" # Intel 2017
More like shill till the kill
remnbig31 That actually works in this case haha.
Intel was never hero.
remnbig31 Intel was never the hero, they have a long history of illegal and unethical activity. They are still fighting their $1.17 billion antitrust fine the EU put on them.
surprised he made no reference to the illegal tactics Intel committed to keep Athlon 64 out of market. Basically paying OEMs to not use AMD chips, if they did Intel cut supply of their CHIPs.. Paid retailers and OEMs to delays AMD products to market by 4-6 months. just one thing after another.
Keep it up Intel! you're selling AMD products faster than AMD themselves can.
Neel Ghost bamboozled
Neel Ghost why this comment is here .. 😂
this comment need to be ln top ..
Nope, that honor goes to fanboys.
I mean look at comment sections on these videos, you got guys with perfectly fine machine, which are willing to go out and SPEND their own money, on new cpu's, just because they think it will tick Intel off.
That's right! We got Intel all wrong. They put little Xs on the AMD checkboxes, so they're saying AMD is NOT inconsistent and glued-together and barren as their bedrooms.
AMD should sue. It's that level of stupid, misleading crap coming from Intel.
Just ignore Intel and they would gain even more consumer's favor.
No need to sue Intel for two reasons. 1) Intel has suffered the damage, they're now basically in damage control mode aka desperation fools; And 2) suing only goes to show AMD wants the easy way out - why take that route when you can dethrone the competition and let them cry all over it? Witnessing intel's dirty practices only adds up to AMD's satisfaction. I bet AMD staff might be reading intel's bs statements and having some fun at their expense.
It could be consider slander
No need, really. AMD has a great product with Ryzen. Instead of reacting to Intels childish approach, they should let Ryzen/Threadripper and Epyc do the talking. That's the best PR.
No need as Intel just owned itself. xD
Luke's mom. Best thing ever.
I was hoping someone would comment on how cool it was that she watches the WAN show live and calls in.
@@theangryintern i think they asked her to call because ppl like her (me too)
Even if both processors are 8 core @2.2GHz. The Xeon is a $1500 processor server grade processor. Ryzen 7 is a $500 consumer grade processor. They are saying that Ryzen 7 which is aimed to gamers can compete with their 3 times more expensive server processor and only going that route they got benchmarks favourable for them. That's pathetic.
Crimson Koba ryzen 7 is not aimed to gamers m8. It's aimed to workstations, basic servers and decent gaming meight!
+Dr. Freeman The i7 is called a gaming cpu because it's the only thing it's good at. In everything else it's crippled because it's a quad core.
Its not aimed at gamers mate its meant to be for more work station based.. Ryzen 5 is more aimed at gamers
Pure joke, isn't it?
Dont forget the R7 was underclocked. Btw, it not being aimed for games, doesnt make it bad nor decent in gaming... thats not how zen works.
Core2 Quad.. Pentium D.... Intel sniffed so much glue they forgot their just as guilty
You sniffed so much glue you forgot the difference between "Their" and "They're"
No one cares except for the triggered XD
I care. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
They're*
they used tapes right?
Calling EPYC repurposed desktop parts is as idiotic as calling Xeons repurposed desktop parts.
Are Epyc processors not built using the same CCX modules as the Ryzen desktop counterparts? Thats kinda how AMD is able to price this shit so well, using the scale-ability of the CCX modules.
Intel and AMD make a whole bunch of processors, and then they make the higher quality ones server chips, the lesser ones consumer chips. AMD's infinity fabric allows them to use lower core count dies together to make high core count processors and so they have way better yields. Intel makes high core count dies, but of course they are much more likely to have to throw away or disable parts of their chips because of the higher likelihood of defects on the larger dies.
But the technology used to create the perfect scalable environment for something that actually has 4 cpu dies isn't repurposed. What about that?
Speaking of glue, is that what intel is using on their IHS's these days?
that was AMDs plan all along. better dies yield, cheaper but working the same. in few years graphic cards will be the same. its the future
Its amateur hour at Intel. Intel knows they are screwed. When AMD releases thread ripper products aimed at data centers at the same performance and half price point, Intel is done.
As an Intel owner I'm abandoning ship. Fuck Intel.
Do you mean abandoning "chip" eh eh eh
ok i'll go :(
Bhagswag Good job m8
+1
Bhagswag you, go up!
As am i, You served me well I7 3770k (oc 4.9Ghz)
But..... Thread Ripper.
RIP Intel.
So if check marks are "yes" and Xs are "no" then aren't all the Intel slides saying that AMD has no inconsistent performance, no poor track record, and no lack of ecosystem?
x
they should rename the Xeon then
congrats Timmy
I was a fan of AMD. They basically invented hybrid 32/64-bit. (The Intel who "knows" datacenter's Itanium pure 64-bit was a bit of a joke by comparison.) AMD basically invented frequency scaling. AMD was the first to go with fully integrated memory controllers. Went wild with high-speed component busses (HyperTransport). They basically invented true multi-core (where cores are lighter weight than that Pentium mentioned, which was multiple whole-CPU dies…) Only lately has Intel been in a realm of stability after having _caught up_ to AMD. Intel are seriously butthurt with all of the _lack_ of innovation on their side.
It just goes to show how good tech doesn't necessarily overcome bad management. But good management can really overcome bad or average tech.
AMD did not really invent much of what you mention, they were only first on the PC.
The problem with the Itanium was that it was designed by committee after the lead designer had passed away which led to an overengineered architecture .. and then it did not have competitive x86 performance.
hmmmmm i don't think they get the "first" for frequency scaling. intel speedstep has been around since the beginning of time on laptops. :)
GothAlice and emperorSbraz , the first ever chip to do Frequency Scaling was the VIA Cryix III/VIA C3 w LongHual (2000 - 2001) - but in Intel Vs AMD - AMD introduced scaling frequency first, a full two years before Intel (2003 Vs 2005) -Edit: i might be wrong about VIA if the AMD K6-2+ did have Frequency Scaling, which released a whole 2 years before VIA and 7 years before Intel (1998) - problem is tho cant find anything concrete that K6-2+ had frequency scaling, but it is in some lists for AMD's PowerNow! technology
GothAlice They actually surpassed AMD by a far amount, to the point of even completely taking over every market there is, budget, mid end, and high end, only until recently has AMD actually been able to properly compete with Intel and grab hold of a significant portion of the consumer market since I think the early 2000s.
intel is just driving away it's customers at this point
Intel had the interns do the presentation and all the interns were fanboys or what? The salt is real
I was going to guess they had their kids do the slides.
at first i read the title as intel losing its virginity...
LOOOL
Alec Winegarden you aren't wrong though, I mean they are getting fucked
Alec Winegarden LITERAL SAME
They lost it a long time ago, when three guys on a hotel fucked em by designing the 6502 there.
Threadripper ripped Intel's pussy
xd
Intel's response to losing 1% market share
Intel's new Skylake-X with sewn together cores! Yaaaay!
lmao
*"Glued together"
22:00
Though I advise you watch it all, WAN show is hella funny. Mama Luke trumps all!
Intel: Don't use EPYC for your servers because a 7700K will beat an 1800X in games by a few FPS
>tfw you have to use gaming benchmarks to generate FUD about server chips
glue is what intel puts under their cpu IHS
Akash7713 *birdpoop
joe sirichandan *semen
Yung TedBounty † birdpoop semen
toothpaste u mean?
no thanks
Linus + Luke = Likeus
Sinus Lebastian that's awesome
Sinus Lebastian Subliminal messages man!
your name is the greatest
It's like ikea, only 70% more sock, and 1048576% more sandals... :3
Luke + Linus = Lulies ?
Switched to Ryzen no Regrets!
I bought my first Intel CPU last year. (6700K) I'm thinking of making it my last.
My money doesnt belong with salty troll bitches
Ok I know it is not the cpu department of AMD, but look up "AMD Radeon™ Graphics Presents: The Fixer" on TH-cam. AMD was a bunch of salty troll bitches then.
sotajumalaa that was indirect, Intel specifically target AMD learn to differentiate dude
RushDark they specifically showed an nVidia gpu being installed into the pc and the end user had problems with it that AMD man fixed with an AMD gpu. It can not get any more direct than that.
sotajumalaa There is definitely a difference between this and that. The Fixer was definitely shitting on Nvidia and pretty much was saying that "Nvidia sucks, go AMD" but this isn't anything companies haven't done before. The thing is that those official slides by intel contained a lot of misinformation and blatant lies about their competitor and just seemed very unprofessionally done. The Fixer wasn't meant to be professional and didn't actually try to spread any misinformation about their competitor's product and were really just having fun.
Hahaha, fucking 6700K
ThreadR.I.P. Intel
anmol sekhon intel sponsors them they just low balled them So hard
MrTylerGaming only certain videos are sponsored by Intel. they also get cash from amd so I think their opinions would be fair
If you're speaking of LTT, yes, they are sponsored by both. BUT, its been SOOO incredibly long since AMD has come out with anything innovative that Intel has enjoyed a crazy long time of sunshine and rainbows from ALL reviewers. I left the PC scene about a dozen years ago only to return and find out AMD hadn't done a damn thing the whole time I've been gone! Then,, the RX series drops.. . WOW! Then Ryzen.. . Whoa!! Now,, with Epyc and Threadripper.. . HOLY SH!T!!!
When I first came back into the fold I was upset to see AMD wasn't getting any coverage from reviewers. Then I found out quite quickly tha they hadn't done anything of note worth the reviewers attention, which frustrated me to no end because I loved AMD back in the proverbial day. now, with all thats come to light in the past year and a half I've been back--- I'm so happy to see AMD back in the Limelight. I'm happy to see Intel sweating. I'M JUST FKN HAPPY!!!
competition is BEST :-)
is an i5 7500 and 3.4 ghz for $190 a good deal?
I'm boycotting intel at this point. I got a 4790k but my next build is sure to have AMD's CPU in it. Maybe it will put some sense in intel's brain.
Just wait. 4790K is still a beast. The second generation of Ryzens is when you should upgade, or if Intel puts out something competitive.
how convenient I just woke up lol. Well, I'm not going to upgrade until it becomes slow, and for probably 3 more years it will be fine. doesn't mean I'm going to be supporting intel again though
Don't Read My Profile Picture I got mine pre-Kaby Lake and pre-Ryzen. I'll go for AMD if it's for family computer. But I still must respect the client decisions.
I was originall gonna have a G4560 and GTX 1050 Ti in my build, but nah, I'm going with a Ryzen 5 1400 (or a Ryzen 3 not sure) and RX 560 (if its fking in stock... cryptocunts)
Battleship Nerd I like this new name you have for cryptocurrency miners.
Linus fanfiction needs to happen. 50 shades of RGB & Sandals or something
Volus_dude 50 sandals of RGB
hmm..I think 50 sandals is a part 2 of fan fic.
The following masterpiece is made by Elite Club:
Linus and Edzel are sitting on the WAN show set, nervously preparing for the broadcast. They both sense their feelings, stirring up in each other as they hear each other softly breathing. "We're going to be late getting the WAN show up again" says Edzel. "What? Why?" Linus exclaimed, "What could be holding up our broadcast now?" he said nervously knowing that there wasn't anything technical going wrong, but emotionally, things were about to get right. "I've noticed you eyeing me like an ASUS Strix motherboard all day..." Edsel proclaimed. "It's all true" Linus admitted "I've loved you ever since you joined us at Linus Media Group, and I even dedicated a space in petabyte project where I've stored only videos with you in them." Edsel gasps, feeling anxious to finally reveal to his boss that he wishes to be his lover, "I always knew about it, I maintained the integrity of the database there and made sure it was hidden to the rest of the employees because I knew how happy it made you, and I only wish I could make you that happy myself" Linus thinks to himself about how WAN show is never on time, "Perhaps we can have a TechQuickie, then after WAN show we can Radeon Chill" Edzel excited by the prospect wraps his arms around Linus, and they share a loving kiss. "We don't have much time, and you get me hotter than Skylake-X" Linus said. He immediately dropped his trousers, revealing his thermal paste tube with a pea sized drop of precum oozing out. Edzel runs his hands all over Linus, eventually smearing the precum on Linus's stomach as if it were thermal paste on a heatspread. Soon Linus pulls down Edzel's pants, and bends over the WAN show desk. "We're already late, we can't waste much time." Linus knew the WAN show could wait, but his body could not. Edzel enters his thunderbolt port, just as Luke enters the room. Luke gasps in shock, feeling despair that he shall never know the love the Edzel now does. "Why must I always sit in the shadow" he bellows, linus interreupting says "I can have more than one sponsor Luke." Luke in his excitement immediately disrobes and says "Let's see how you handle a multi-threaded workload. For five minutes the three make love in various positions like the radiators in a Phanteks Enthoo Evolve case. Soon they begin to climax. "I'm about to thermal throttle" Edzel grunts, dumping his data along with Luke inside Linus's page file. Luke in post-coitus ecstasy pro-claims, "I haven't had such a good time since I benchmarked the GTX 1080 Ti" with which Linus responds "the real life workloads are way better than I imagined while running synthetic benchmarks."
look at elite club comment
that fan fic is gold that elite club made
Intel is really losing the plot.
Those slides are as bad as the ones Microsoft was having Best Buy train their employees with all those years ago.
I think you guys missed one point about the Xeon vs 1800X comparison: the 1800X is only a dual channel product when the corresponding EPYC part is an 8 channel part. Zen is known to be primarily bottlenecked by memory bandwidth and speed, so it seems like Intel intentionally introduced that handicap to give itself an artificial edge rather than a true apples to apples comparison.
Colin N intel strikes again
R-AMD
G-Nvidia
B-Intel
IT WAS ALWAYS MENT TO BE, ALL ALONG😮
iGrizzly I see what u did
iGrizzly thought b was for bitch lol
😂
cause intel such a bitch
yeah red team which is amd, then green team which is nvidia, then blue team or the bitch team intel
I'm using AMD, so far so good and cheap af
Care to let us know your actual processor?
Would you like a 4C/8T at >3.5GHz ?
You can either spend 180$ for AMD's Ryzen 5 1500x or more than 300$ for an i7 that's gonna come out every year with a different number but it's actually the same, just 5% faster.
MikiTheMagic you don't get > 4 core i7 for that.
MikiTheMagic please you don't need to lie, is about 20% the difference in games, like come on, Ryzen 7 1800x is more expensive and is worse.
Juan Manuel
5% faster than the previous Intel CPU's, not the competition.
Also, I like how you moved the goalpost to the 1800X when the point was that AMD offers a 4c/8t CPU for the cost of an i5.
The i7 may be faster in single-threaded workloads, but Ryzen fairs better with multi-threading, which is becoming increasingly more relevant and is why people are recommending i7's over i5's.
Ryzen offers much better value in-between the entry and high-end market segments.
Juan Manuel he ain't lying, you just don't understand english
You don't buy a 1800x for games, it's a CPU that's being compared to a 6900k
McAfree is on Intel's list. The fact you are working with McAfree is not something to brag about. That is something you hang your head and say with the upmost SHAME.
Joseph Attwell First thing I uninstalled on my new laptop lmao
intel is super salty......
With lack of AMD presence for the past few years, I've been an Intel man with an i7 4770K. But petty practice like this pisses me off. Fuck you Intel, just when I think I couldn't dislike you more, you do stuff like this. Something serious better happen or else AMD will be my next platform upgrade
neat
When the price/performance difference between AMD/Intel (or AMD/Nvidia) is negligible, I personally think you should always put your money towards those who deserve it.
Intel just lost all the respect I had for them.
Business is a dirty thing, but this is just cr*p.
Intel got roasted.
Congrats Timmy!
lol this makes me want to buy an AMD cpu just because Intel is being salty AF.
Do it, let your thread counts be high and temps low
I switched from 6800k to an 1700x no regrets
6850k to 1800x. no regrets.
i5 2500k to 1600. no regrets. AMD Ryzen CPU and nVIDIA GPU all the way.
if that's true, you just shown the world, how fucking dumb you are, and how little it takes to convince you.
I mean, seriously how can anyone be so retarded? "Im going to show this big company which i already paid thousand of bucks, by spending more of my hard earned money on a upgrade which i basiclly don't need"
I wish LTT and AVE would do something. it'd be a great combo.
I know right! That would be Skookum as Frig!
I don't even want to buy Intel parts for my new PC now... I had no choice given the lack of mini ITX boards for AM4 in my area. But now I think I'll just wait for those parts to come if I have to. I will *NOT* be a consumer to a company like this!
undeny I'm not sure but I believe there are some AM4 ITX mobos coming in a couple of weeks to about a month.
Intel calls AMD an inconsistent supplier? I live in Toronto and both Canada Computers and NCIX have multiple stores here but I have been unable for the last 4 months to get a Pentium G4560. Out of stock all stores.
Given the price hikes on the 4560, you might be better off just getting a 4620. I've seen at least two low budget tech channels cover this angle and compare, and with the price inflation it's a couple hundred extra mhz for just a little more, and they seem to be more in stock.
Lukiel666 They are inconsistent because everyone is buying them
I think that was a reference to AMD dropping out of the server space for the last 5 years.
Just a tip, go for Ryzen 3. Given that it hasn't been in stock for 4 months it will be out sooner and give better performance undoubtedly. Do some research at lease.
From what I heard, they purposely understock this one cause it was affecting the i3 sale.
These two together(Linus and Jon) are my favorite duo on youtube.
John knows how to call out Linus on bis bs. And so quick on his feet!
24:18 Of course there is nothing wrong compering Intel's $2,200 130W TDP 8C Xeon server chip to a sub-$500 Ryzen 7 1800X with a 95W TDP and downclocking the 1800X to 2.2GHz in order for their Xeon to look somewhat competitive. Well played Linus, well payed indeed.
Also they've tried 'stitched' approach first:
In a statement, Intel said, “We take all competitors seriously, and while AMD is trying to re-enter the server market segment, Intel continues to deliver 20-plus years of uninterrupted data center innovations while maintaining broad ecosystem investments. Our Xeon CPU architecture is proven and battle tested, delivering outstanding performance on a wide range of workloads and specifically designed to maximize data center performance, capabilities, reliability, and manageability. With our next-generation Xeon Scalable processors, we expect to continue offering the highest core and system performance versus AMD. AMD’s approach of stitching together 4 desktop die in a processor is expected to lead to inconsistent performance and other deployment complexities in the data center.”
It didn't work. Now they are trying the 'glue' approach. The 7nm GloFlo node next year will complete their five stages of grief and loss cycle.
catonpillow 1800x has msrp of like $430 not $500
That's why I've said sub-$500.
The argument is that the IPC of Epyc vs Ryzen is going to be essentially the same, so it's a fair comparison considering core count and clock speed were the same. Use that brain next time.
Of course, of course. BUT MAYBE, MAYBE we should compare CPUs based on prices. - Cover of Louis C.K.
thought Microsoft had made a deal with AMD for Epyc in Azure? As far as inconsistent supply goes, where's the i9 18 core? :D. I like how they even included the Epyc architecture layout with the 2x16 PCIe interfaces for Epyc and conveniently don't list the Intel PCIe.
This mud slinging by intel merely confirms what people are thinking. AMD are ahead and intel are reeling. They could have just not put anything out and it would have been FAR less damaging than this presentation. I honestly can not believe how amateur and childish it looks.
They could have listed things they do actually have, like AVX512, Optane, Thunderbolt, etc.
Jethro Rose tbh optane is really bad. It costs 2x more than an ssd but it is slower...
AvE did a Great Vidjeo on the Juicero. Very skookum indeed!
It was skookum as frig!
Intel shot themselves on their own foot
They tried fan the hammer with a shotgun and the recoil was just too much.
The A8N32 SLI Deluxe was the board I used in my first ever PC build. That solid copper heatpipe running down the motherboard was a thing of beauty. The pictures simply don't do it justice.
WTF intel?! why the fuk do they have to insult AMD?
I think my 7600k is the last intel cpu that I am going to own.
Homsi Rre should've bought a used Z800 and got all the system power potential for half the cost of just that CPU. they're already laughing at you all the way to the bank.
Homsi Rre I got the 7600k the week it came out. Regret it now haha.
i brought a R7 1700 hrs after it hit the shelf. (had to wait for it to get here after that) Totally worth it. mATX build, works a treat, also don't have a heat issue. i been watching how tech has been going for yr's, intel got complacent, also they have laid off some RnD staff before ryzens release from what i read annnd they have been over charging and not following thru with promises for the past 5 yrs
Homsi Rre Stupid thing is us indvidual consumers are able to see through the bull and care but business will keep buying intel.
Homsi Rre I bought a i7 7700hq in a Mac pro, I am shamed now, I'll sell it to buy a ryzen version in a near future
Wait hold on. Amd does alot of innovation. 64 bit? That was them and we all use that now. Its the standard. Infinity fabric type technology. They called it years ago and now nvidia is coming out with it and intel will have to unless they have some real miracle innovation. Some major cpu leaps coming from them.
Tristhal plus remember when amd put more than one core in a processor and knocked everybody on their asses
Tristhal also the memory controller on the cpu
Tristhal a couple months ago intel opened up some job listing for a new core architecture RnD, and they only want to change just now, after Ryzen comes out! WTF intel!
AMD makes the world go round. Imagine if we were still on 32 bit single core cpu's.
I love how Intel is acting like a baby who lost it's candy. AMD came back and gained a bit of market share like "hey, we're back guys..." and now Intel is just like "GIVE IT BACK, IT'S MINE". Intel is honestly making a huge fool of themselves and probably making their whole situation worse.
The whole reason AMD ryzen isn't popular is because we don't see it being advertised anywhere, no commercial's it was only TH-cam where I heard the term ryzen and other sources. Maybe if they advertise it a little bit better we can see how much it can take the cpu market in pre built pc's and ect. Not seeing a i7 or i3 or i5, wanting to see a ryzen 7 ryzen 3 and a ryzen 5 on some random computer. And then on the other side we can see an Intel powered cpu. Then we can see true competition.
"glued together" - isn't Kaby Lake X just a regular kaby lake die glued to Socket 2066?
Nathaniel Lewis 😂😂 that's why I was confused Intel uses glue not amd. Why would they point out something that a lot of people know that's why they have such problems with over heating.
Glue? .....Glue? We're talking about Glue?
What part of *glued* together did you not understand. XD
64bit windows was a direct the result of AMD, xp x64 literally was AMD64 edition..... relating to Microsoft and software optimization (Itanium where are you???)..... core2quad, duo etc were glued too
Looks like Intel is copying CNN's playbook.
WAN show about big tech companies making AWFUL choices. Oddly, the best WAN show I think I've seen.
I was waiting for this WAN show to start when I fell asleep and missed it... fml. On the other hand, it was a good nap.
Intel is not getting more of my money. I'm usually a Mac guy but I'd probably rather build an AMD Windows build especially if Apple keeps choosing to put overpriced Intel processors into their higher end machines (which they will because of thunderbolt which I don't give a shit about especially if you have these cool things called PCIe Lanes)
AGOS Guess what, Apple would still do that.
AGOS if i'm not wrong , the newest apple product gonna use Vega ?
i think that Apple already support egpus on they computers
Intel is shitting their pants.
I honestly thought this title and thumbnail was a huge clickbait, but turned out to be true
Man I love the chemistry that these guys have with each other.
Love seeing the team have fun and talk news.
INTEL
I nvoking
N egative
T echnically
E gregious
L ies
AMD
*A* mazing
*M* oney-Saving
*D* evices ?
A dvanced
M icro
D evices
that is the real name BTW
V -viruses
I -intrusions
S -spyware
T -trojans
A -adware
its a classic i know, just thought i'd throw it in there.
that "glued together" statement is borderline libel
Looks like Intel came...*takes off sunglasses* unglued.
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
Luke's mom is consistently the best guest.
Luke's comment on the "lack of ecosystem" bit was pure gold.
So, intel has gone from greedy to slanderous
Well.. still no need to upgrade my 3770K since i only do gaming and some office work and also have some headroom if I OC it more.. But if I had to buy new now it would be AMD without a doubt. B350 with a 1700 looks nice
rip linustechtips intel partnership
They are better off this way...
this is my favorite show to watch while I cook on a Saturday morning 👌
"I dont want you to come between us." I lost it there haha.
The veins in Luke's neck suggests he may some hypertension. Careful Linus, you might give him a Heart attack!
i mean anyone can make a conparason page, i'll do one right now,
Intel batshit insane that they lost market share - Amd actually being innovative.
Intel losing site of why it is good to have a competitor - Amd working hard to improve, and not being salty
Intel compares price to proformance cpus with their stupidly expensive cpus, that only seem to have 15%- 20% more proformance, but cost 500 bucks more. - Amd Coming out with exciting products, that might inspire intel to come out with some good stuff of their own....
I am Glad i have not gone with Intel since i switched to AMD when the Athlon 64 came out :)
this episode was real funny, specially the Luke's mom calling and the salty Intel part! Keep going folks!
54:27 I like how Luke timed looking at Linus at the exact time he stopped.
If you think Intel is salty now, wait when Threadripper absolutely destroys X299. At least the Xeons have some competitive edge at some workloads and sadly Global Foundries will be completely unable to supply a serious market share for AMD. AMD taking 20% of the server market would already be huge simple because of production constraints. If AMD can maintain that for a couple of years they will not be departing again and will finally have some money to continue competing, also much better against Nvidia. That said, AMD really got Intel with there pants down, and now they start playing dirty, again. We can only hope that OEMs will keep selling AMD and won't be bribed or blackmailed again by Intel...
well stupid question but what stopping thread riper from being a workstation class CPU for consumers other than price
DaniëlWW2 hey, I wonder if GloFo unable to fill AMD demand would mean we'd finally got some TSMC goodness. Once that chip comes out Intel is really screwed,
look at Intel
no dignity
no manners
you forgot to add "don't be like intel" lol
WTF 'choose your own adventure'. I've heard that three times today. Heard it on an old 'Opie and Anthony' show when they jocktobered 'Scott and Todd'. Then on 'The Rubin Report' with Andrew Klaven. Now here. Three different shows, from three different time periods. Simulation theory comfirmed.
"Our facebook status would be: It's complicated" LOL!
And are those shotgun shells chillin back there on the top shell on the wall?
Suddenly for Linus and Luke, "tech quickie" takes on a new meaning
AMD 1920X 1080 graphics card so you can play in full HD
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Leon Lu this joke is cancer
Wow intel, you're better than that....
Oh wait.
Lmao this is just sad from Intel....
Mom phoning in, during a show... no fstars given there was a show... simply amazing parenting MOM!
Real talk though, my parents have had the same vita-mix for about 15-20 years, and it still runs like brand new. They're fantastic and I need one.