Preach it! I bought this when it first came out along w/ official strategy guide & I STILL had to restart my game! I didn’t have an extra save file either…lesson learned for sure!
Same here. Played through this at the age of 13 and was oblivious to what I was locking myself into. Ended up putting down the game for almost a year before just starting another file😂. Good times huh?
One of the most vivid memories of my childhood. I remember it was summer break, this was the first game to every keep me hooked enough to pull an all nighter. I even remember what I had for dinner that day. It took me several tries, but I finally realized I could abuse Shout and then heal up with Murasame. Eventually I beat him at the cost of my Ramza being several levels higher than my whole party. The most frustrating fight for me was the fight with all the red chocobos. They would one shot all my casters.
This fight 100% screwed my save file all those years ago. I didn't throw my controller or anything. I was just shocked that I was stuck after all those hours. I went back and beat it as an adult many years later, but this fight sure is engrained in my memory for all the wrong reasons.
It’s so funny to grow up and look back at FFT on the internet and remember things that you thought were unique to you like saving and soft locking yourself on this fight and realizing literally everyone did the same thing
@@RippahRooJizah actually it is really nothing to brag - because the experience is one of a kind, and everyone who experienced it is somewhat lucky. we - the victims of it - got something to share some crazy moments with it.
@@ValAllenSamonte I mean, I am not saying he was easy, by the way, I remember having issues. And I was stuck on him for a bit. I just never 'softlocked' myself.
As a precaution in every game id have multiple save files 1 of them at all times would be saved in the open world where I know im free to move around and level up if need be. I still do the same thing today in anything I play.
Your Birthday which you choose for your main character at the beginning of the game will give you advantages and disadvantages against enemies. This is the exact reason why all characters including enemies on the Battlefield have a Zodiac Sign visible next to their name. Theirs even a specific Zodiac sign that when chosen effectively raises the difficulty level of the entire game though I forget which one this was. Many people by just blind luck undoubtedly had the perfect Zodiac Sign for this fight.
The boss that destroyed many save files, shit he was a prick if you didn't know what you were doing or you thought it would be another pushover fight like the gate battle. Even if you did defeat him, you got those vampire freaks on the roof afterwards with a stupid Rafa charging in like Leeroy Jenkins
Agree and disagree. I got problem beating first try. I come up stratgy to beat it. Like usinv xpotion and chemist to lower his attack power. Auto potion and defend helps too
This fight really feels like it was designed for a much later point in the game. Wiegraf's story is also among the most tragic in the game imo, tied with Oran and falling just short of Ovelia's absolute mindfuckery of tragedy.
Even as a kid I always saved on the World Map in one file then in another. I'd have two files total to not restart the whole game. This game is now a walk in the park to me like many other games at this point.
I always leveled up Ramza as a monk with Two Swords and Guts (with Accumulate). That set up makes this fight laughably easy. Of course, that set up makes almost EVERY fight laughably easy.
Lol! You don't even need to Guts or Accumulate if you make Ramza a Ninja and have Martial Arts from the Monk, instead of the other way around for the Two Handed Monk. Since Ninja's always start first and have an insane high CT count that moves quick on the bar. You can EASILY wreck Velius's shit with that set up.
Oh yeah it’s broken. I’m doing a run with only unique characters so chapter 1 was done solo. Made Ramza a ninja with martial arts. Here’s how the last two battles went: Wiegraf got his spine punched into his stomach and Argath got double tapped in the kidneys turn one.
Bro I remember I was strong enough to get there but to weak to do damage I never had a game where I had to literally do a whole new play through just to get prepared to beat his ass
A few tips for those wondering about this strategy and others for this fight: - Use the support skill Two-Hands(Samurai), or Dual Wield(Ninja) to increase your damage on your turn. - Use Move +2 for more reliable movement, as teleport has an increased chance to fail if you move beyond your move stat. - If you did steal it from Gaffgarion at the execution site, equip blood sword. - Try to use power/speed break to reduce his damage. - Use slow on him and haste on yourself. If you didn't know: Wear a chameleon robe and watch him not use holy sword on you at all.
For kid me it was the double whammy of the "1v1" gaff fight at the gate which I barely made it through, and then the dang Cúchulainn fight was a HARD WALL that forced kid me to restart lol I just know this one is considered one of those potential walls so my title reflected that despite not being the point. Glad I learned to save multiple times and that some games ask you to save in "trapped" encounters lol
@@redphienix Gaff was a hard one. It almost forced you to lose to learn how to adapt to it, and that's what I love about this game. It forces to you realize the potential of the player. Cuchlainn never really gave me any problems... I'm not posturing to be clear, but I do agree that his instant AoE debuffs can be crippling. Wiegraf... He's a different story. He comes out of nowhere, after a gauntlet without any saves in between. An unexpected 1v1 for newbies, and he has all the strength, health, and abilities to tear anyone unprepared apart. Wiegraf and Marquis Elmdor will always be burned in my memory as bloody hard encounters that poked at the players confidence.
Oh yeah, it's not exactly super beneficial to do so because you lose a squad member and all you really gain is some mobility/height, but if I remember right this was a themed playthrough where I forced myself to play as chocobo cavalry the entire time :) Fun time
@@redphienix Interesting. I really need to re-play this game considering the rules used for balancing in FFT Arena (considering the strategy element to be exact), everyone knows why they banned the Lancer job... I remember I had a group of lancers that would just jump and win forever lol... But I will definitely replay it following the FFT Arena rules :) . It may make the game more interesting. The lancer was kind of a glitch that made battles boring and easy to win... lol This game is amazing, there is always new possibilities :)
Ah yes, the fight that made me restart FF Tactics and then grind Mandalia Plains for 30+ hours until my characters were level 50 with ability to one shot chapter 1’s enemies with a single throw stone. It still took me 4 hours to kill Velius. Then came that next fight with Elmore. Sheesh. The reason we got TG Cid was because the developers knew we were exhausted by that point.
i was having a rough time trying to play my way, then got beat up so many times i just decided to change class to monk with the ninja skill two swords, and beat him in 1 shot.
I just remember a guide saying to equip a chamleon robe or something. This gave you a specific immunity that didnt apply to some of his dangerous special attacks. this allowed you to tank at the start even if you're not over levelled
Considering I've done that before when deleveling/re-leveling for a couple different "max" runs... I wish I knew why I didn't do it here. Hmm. A mystery! But too late for me to help past me either lol Good reminder!
I vividly remember this fight. I remember getting stomped by him, over and over again. I eventually figured out that I could kite him with Yell until I outnumbered his turns 5 to 1, then machine gunned him to death with pebbles lol. Then I kicked the extension cord my PSX was plugged into, cut off power to the console, and lost my save file. Could never bring myself to get that far into the game again.
Eyy, same here on the fight. I kept getting wrecked but lucked out and beat Wiegraf. Afterward Velius & his demons just wrecked me again & again. After many, MANY attempts, I stumbled unto the yell cheese and breezed through both fight. I was lucky to have yell because my friends that played FFT did not and were forced to start the game over. Sucks about your extension chord, it's a good game.
I use a monk/guts/blade grasp/duel wield/move +2 or A squire/white/blade grasp/mag attack up/move +2 when I fight this guy. Ramza with the knights action abilities can work, especially with duel wield. But the options are endless. This is tied for my favorite game.
I found the best way to beat this guy is 1-Ramza Black mage. 2-Equip shield ability, equip a Flame shield. 3-Equip a Gold Hairpin (to avoid being silenced) 4-Stand right next to him and cast Fira on yourself.
I'm still amazed that as a kid I made it through this one unscathed- but I did entirely flounder the Cúchulainn fight :( Did the same thing- saved and couldn't beat it so I had to restart lol FFT: The game that teaches you to save in multiple slots, with violence
Dam I feel for you. That's why I save numerous times on numerous other slots in case things like this happen, I saved during the fight level 39 & just before it where I'm level 38, games really needa stop doin that
@@andriesusanto8684 oh man I wrote this comment 2 years ago lmao I can safely say I beat the game and it was one of the best games I’ve ever played. I’ve since beat it twice actually
Ah yes. I remember I fail this fight for the first time and I have to restart the game from the beginning because I forgot to save on a second file. The good old times lmao
I use Ramza Dragoon for the Dual and Iaido for the Belias fight. Kiyomori just makes his summons and the demons utterly useless and Murasame heals it all up
This was what finally made me quit playing the game. I do have a backup save from literally the last battle before this, so I could grind some more and boost stats, I know. But I already spent so much time on the game, literally twenty hours grinding to level up. The problem I had was his first attack. It could randomly do double damage and instantly end the fight. Then, you get the long Game Over screen and have to reload up to this point. I tried several different jobs with different stats, as I had unlocked most of them and I finally got through the opening part of the battle. Then, when he changed into Belias, the Gigas, I didn't even get a chance to take actions for my first several attempts. I finally gave up and just watched the rest of the scenes from the game so I would be able to complete the story. If they ever do a remaster, I might play it if there are difficulty settings. The older I get, the older my kids get, the less time I have on games and I was genuinely enjoying the story and the game until this battle.
That's a damn shame to hear :( As a huge fan of the game, I'd love to say I hope you try again or when another re-release occurs but I wouldn't go forcing that- instead I'll say /if/ you do, there are plenty of strategies to push you over that edge and I hope you find one :) And otherwise- I'm glad you had fun prior to hitting this fight. Have a good one 👍
I lucked out as a kid and didn't get stuck here, but oh buddy did he destroy my friend's saves x.x I wasn't safe, it got me on a later boss back then lmaoo
@@RetroGamesMas He just never really hit any of my runs like that, or really demanded I nuke him usually- but considering how easily he 'can' nuke, oh buddy I believe it. For me it was Cúchulainn all day though. Couldn't tell you why his status dooming was so hard on kid me but it was. (That's a lie, I know why, because I had no items to resist sleep and doom, was too underleveled/poorly-built to kill him fast, and it makes you save the game before that fight like many other doom-your-save points in FFT lol) Wiegraf? No prob. Roof assassins? No prob. For SOME reason kid me was FLOORED by doom spam from Cúchulainn (and also was momentarily walled by the gate pseudo 1v1 with gaff because I was like "WHAT, I'll have to 1v1 sometimes??" which I guess maybe prepped me for wiegraf as a kid? Unsure.) This fight is definitely up there for most people- and it's no wonder. He's well statted, has really strong abilities that you most likely aren't prepped against without precognition of what he does, and it's a TRUE 1v1 with no assistance until you finish round 1. It's rough as hell!
This was a sad boss fight. No more than a rabid dog at this point. Weigraf at this point feels like an extreme end-state of leftism. "The masses are in fact always on the side of the ruling class and have to be led by the nose, so to speak. The working class needs to be educated by the class-conscious workers in the course of their struggle." -- Karl Marx
You made this battle way harder than it needs to be. Squire with monk traits. And the trait where you hit twice with your fists. You yell and yell until your speed is up to where you're getting 2 turns. You never attack. Just keep yelling and running. And make sure you have auto potion on. Then after that you cast accumulate 10-15 times. Then you will one shot wiegraf. Then when he changes walk up to him and you will do 999 and then 999 and he is done. You can do this without taking any damage.
You're mistaken in assuming you knew my goal in this fight, this was part of a meme-y challenge run as is (Cavalry Run) and this was a bit of a victory lap messing with and exploiting stacking stats with yell. All to say it's as hard as it was meant to be, and as round-about as it was intended to be. Another 15 rounds spent accumulating isn't necessary when both you and I in these hypotheticals already aren't at risk of dying. That said, that definitely works, pretty sure a two swords monk was my go-to build on my first playthrough of the game as a kid. It took me quite a bit longer to realize just how busted an x-potion auto potion build was for this game, lol. Also, you can't be a Squire with Barehanded and Two Swords (the double attack skill), you're slightly mistaken if that was the intended build. Though I probably just mis-interpreted because I think all you're saying is to combine the three options (Barehanded/Two swords/Basic Skill (accumulate)) which would mean either playing as a Monk with Basic Skill and Two Swords, or a Ninja with Barehanded and Basic Skill, but as Two Swords and Barehanded are both support skills, you can't equip both on a Squire for those mega powered double punches, dang shame :/ Regardless, thanks for sharin' some FFT nonsense, it's my favorite kind.
@@redphienix yes you are right now that I think about it. Ramzan as a monk. With two swords. And squire capabilities. Same thing. Yell and accumulate...10-15 times each. Then one shot him. He then turns into that pos...then since you have so much speed you just walk up and hit him for 999 and 999 damage. I had more problems beating that chick that breaks your items on the roof...miluda or meliadoul or whatever her name is than this douchebag. I didn't know about maintenance back in the day. Had I know that I dont think I would have quit playing that game for years after being stuck there.
Never understood why people have a hard time with this fight. Ramza can kill wiegraf in 2 rounds. Givem dual wield or two handed, give him move +2 so he can get behind wiegraf. Boom! Over! Ive never done this fight with chocobo though..this is actually impressive
A long time ago, before i knew about some of the jobs in the game. I had ramza as a knight. Id have him walk up to wiegraf and destroy his sword. Without it, wiegraf was useless.
There's no need for all that. Just be a wizard with the equip shield skill. Wear the flame shield and cast fire spells on yourself while standing next to weigraf.
It's the PS1 version. To be EXTREMELY precise on which version, it's the PS1 version made available through the PS3 digital store- (since back in 2017 when I started this themed playthrough my PS1 disc failed to load so I spent money buying a game I already own like 3 versions of lol) which is indeed just the PS1 version with no changes- the dialogue is unchanged here. I'd wager the PSP has different dialogue but the same sentiment since 99% of the text works that way in that version.
Infamous? I dont think this fight ever gave me trouble. I remember needing to restart because of the stupid rooftop fight right after this because all my characters were too slow.
Your video just proves why this was so stupid of a fight, that you really do need to cheese it to survive. Doesnt matter what class he was played as, to beat this, you need to speed plus yourself till you go 2-3 times for his one.
Trying not to be that person but hey, my vid, I can't really agree and I love rambling nonsense about FFT. Luckily, it doesn't matter what I think vis-a-vis differing opinions but I don't agree that this or any encounter in FFT is a "Cheese or get screwed" situation. Buuuut you can! And that's part of the identity of FFT that I love :) I did what I did in this video not /because/ of the fight, but because I could and felt like it at the moment I decided to click record. Heck the entire recording isn't "about" Wiegraf, it's just background noise for a post I made on an entirely different site. I won't come to bat over whether this fight was /entirely/ fair since you're not given proper expectations before entering just like a handful of other fights in the game- and the fact FFT does that is exactly why so many people associate encounters like this or the roof assassins or specific lucavi as "Complete BS!!!!!" Definitely the game of all time for teaching people to save in multiple slots- whoever at square enix thought asking to save before LOCKING you into an encounter was a good idea is a jackass lol but I can easily disagree that it's designed so poorly as to need to be cheesed. You don't need 2 or 3 actions per his 1, you don't need to focus to 60 strength before starting the fight, you don't need x y or z, I just happened to be doing that when I recorded this. If kid me randomly rolling a monk through only had to give it a second try when I realized Ramza was going in solo, I can't rightly say it's cheese or get screwed. This and any of the "BS" encounters really are doable with just about any team makeup, it's just a matter of "Do you have a way of defeating them quickly or disabling their means of killing you before you can?" and there's plenty of ways to go about that before you start needing to cheese with some of the more ridiculous mechanics available. But yeah, 100% you can cheese him. FFT is awesome because it gives you so many ways to go about cheesing to begin with. Slap a chameleon robe on. Slap auto potion on (genuinely the easiest counter for any fight is hi->x-potion auto potion), spend a dumb amount of time grinding beforehand and stealing end game gear from level 99 encounters before doing this, go brawler ninja, world's your oyster when it comes to ways to cheese him- but it's not necessary. Have a way to heal and be a class that isn't so unarmored that you're one shot and it's all good.
Great looks like I needa actually grind squire class now 🤦🏿♂️ this game man I swear when it's not the crazy save spots, it's more grinding on top of other grinding, I just want Ninja Monks aside from Agrias Holy Knight Monk
Oh you don't remotely need to, Squire is kinda trash outside of Accumulate and Ramza's exclusive "Yell" and "Scream" abilities. Ya can though. If ya do (or if you decide to grind just about any job) the Squire Basic Skill Accumulate is by far the fastest way to do that. Instant cast, full JP reward, spammable whenever the hell you want- good stuff to exploit if you want to max out Squire (or any job if you make Basic Skill their secondary job skill). Hardly the point- no one likes grind- but if you wanted to ease that dread then knowing that can help. Ninja Monks will definitely kick the entire game's rear, 100%, so honestly you probably won't need to ever focus on Squire anyway. Have a good one!
Just a little advice from a very season FFT player. Just get most of your classes to level 5 and move on. Buy skills that are can be helpful as secondary job and do not skip out on Auto Potion. A very underrated reaction skill. Lastly just be a monk/ninja with equip armor on this stage to out last the damage.
If you're here and thinking about restarting, HEED ME You're probably playing this on an emulator, it'll work on original hardware too but it'll just take longer. All you need is "Rend Speed" and a Gun. Turn Ramza into a Chemist. Equip him with the gun. Keep resetting the game until you get rend speed to hit. Once that hits, get more rend speeds to hit and heal yourself. Eventually you'll get to take like 7-8 turns before Wiegraf can even move. At this point you can rend power or just shoot him to death. The next battle is even tougher though but you'll have your full party.
i'm surprised this part of the game isn't widely deemed a failure of game design. So many of the battles are so easy as your characters dominate the map when out of nowhere comes a 1v1 with an extraordinarily over powered boss. It was this point of the game where i realized I really don't care about the incomprehensible storyline.
Crying shame it lost you here, but giving up on one of, hell, at LEAST 2 different softlock save points makes complete sense to me. Kid me softlocked at the Cúchulainn bossfight which was ROUGH. It really should be a crime to put a save point before an encounter and not say "Hey, bud, you might want to save in a different slot for this one, chief."
It's not a failure, it's a design choice. Some people might find it brilliant, some think it's bad to not tell the player about it. I think the latter are just people who never played older games. There are lots of these unexpected scenarios where the game doesn't outright tell you what is going to happen. And I think it works in this case for the story. Besides the fact that you can just use a different save file, really separates experienced players and those who aren't.
The Zodiac Brave Story is my favorite story of all time. The game was perfect for me as the music is top tier and somehow I can really get into the characters and dialogue. Even without voice I can really feel a lot of these scenes. There are so many characters you can fall in love with or hate. The final scene of the game made me wonder all of these years if it could possibly be true(you wont understand unless you finish the game... I don't want to spoil it for any readers). I think today it would be hard to captivate people with a game like this. Especially with how flashy modern games are. I am happy I was able to appreciate this game as a child when it was the standard for gaming technology. Even in this video when Wiegraf uses the stone to transform and the music changes, I get chills! What a game!
To be blunt, because I was enjoying it at the time. Hard to fully recall but I remember most of this run of FFT being me playing around seeing various encounters devolve as I stacked speed until I got bored enough to swing once or twice. It's more than easy enough to end this encounter in a couple turns, both fights included, but running in circles as Wiegraf struggles to keep along or do anything meaningful was a good laugh at the time, and despite being a recording posted publicly the play was for me so we both end up with this tedious video lol.
@@professorpenne9962I have never heard that. Auto potion is not even one of the better reaction abilities. Its a good early game option but its not so good as to be considered cheating.
Lmao dude is 16 levels above this man and he is upping his speed to beat him 😂 🤣 💀. Just use a monk with hp restore my man God damn what a giant waste of time lol...
Agree, I also only have Ramza set as Monk with dual wield and 96 brave. Add Move+2 and you can OTK Wiegraf. But I think the OP didn't do it due to the challenge run reason.
This is the fight that taught me to have a backup save for the rest of my gaming life.
Facts dude me too lol😊
lol yup taught me the importance of multiple save files too
Preach it! I bought this when it first came out along w/ official strategy guide & I STILL had to restart my game! I didn’t have an extra save file either…lesson learned for sure!
Once I did, I easily kicked Wiegraf's ass with Monk/Squire alone twice. It felt so good.
this guy made me restart my game... he literally taught me not to soft lock myself
Between him and bosses like Cúchulainn- FFT definitely has its share of risky save spots lol
Never fun to end up there.
I feel for you man
this game is the sole reason why I always make multiple save slots in games
Same here. Played through this at the age of 13 and was oblivious to what I was locking myself into.
Ended up putting down the game for almost a year before just starting another file😂. Good times huh?
I’m now in that position…17 hours down the drain
This guy is why I always keep two save files… for ANY game.
😁
Thank goodness Ramza can use Yell even though he's silenced.
I found that funny
It should called "Groan" for Yell in that moment, Dialogue text with "HMMMMMMMM!"
One of the most vivid memories of my childhood. I remember it was summer break, this was the first game to every keep me hooked enough to pull an all nighter. I even remember what I had for dinner that day. It took me several tries, but I finally realized I could abuse Shout and then heal up with Murasame. Eventually I beat him at the cost of my Ramza being several levels higher than my whole party. The most frustrating fight for me was the fight with all the red chocobos. They would one shot all my casters.
This fight 100% screwed my save file all those years ago. I didn't throw my controller or anything. I was just shocked that I was stuck after all those hours. I went back and beat it as an adult many years later, but this fight sure is engrained in my memory for all the wrong reasons.
Reading through these comments makes me happy i always overleveled in RPG's.
It’s so funny to grow up and look back at FFT on the internet and remember things that you thought were unique to you like saving and soft locking yourself on this fight and realizing literally everyone did the same thing
it is wonderful tbh
An important & powerful lesson. Good times.
Not to brag, but I never softlocked myself in this fight
@@RippahRooJizah actually it is really nothing to brag - because the experience is one of a kind, and everyone who experienced it is somewhat lucky. we - the victims of it - got something to share some crazy moments with it.
@@ValAllenSamonte I mean, I am not saying he was easy, by the way, I remember having issues. And I was stuck on him for a bit. I just never 'softlocked' myself.
It boggles my mind that I beat this stage as a kid without starting the game over from scratch. I literally don't know how I did it.
Im playing through it now and I wondered the same thing
I think as kids we did a lot of leveling before each fight. Prolly were just super beefy
As a precaution in every game id have multiple save files 1 of them at all times would be saved in the open world where I know im free to move around and level up if need be. I still do the same thing today in anything I play.
Your Birthday which you choose for your main character at the beginning of the game will give you advantages and disadvantages against enemies.
This is the exact reason why all characters including enemies on the Battlefield have a Zodiac Sign visible next to their name.
Theirs even a specific Zodiac sign that when chosen effectively raises the difficulty level of the entire game though I forget which one this was.
Many people by just blind luck undoubtedly had the perfect Zodiac Sign for this fight.
My dad was helping me in This fight, i used the calcullator Mage and ramza as a dragoon and i defeated This boss
Wiegraf, don't open that!
Wiegraf's fall from grace was... beautiful writing.
The boss that destroyed many save files, shit he was a prick if you didn't know what you were doing or you thought it would be another pushover fight like the gate battle. Even if you did defeat him, you got those vampire freaks on the roof afterwards with a stupid Rafa charging in like Leeroy Jenkins
Agree and disagree. I got problem beating first try. I come up stratgy to beat it. Like usinv xpotion and chemist to lower his attack power. Auto potion and defend helps too
I remember having 5 consecutive gameovers on Rafa without doing a single move lol. He just moves forward and gets oneshotted every time.
I love how this fight on FFtactics and the Leonard fight on ogre battle taught us about backupsaves.
It's laughable how the other boss monsters, including the FINAL boss, are complete pushovers in comparison to this guy.
This fight really feels like it was designed for a much later point in the game.
Wiegraf's story is also among the most tragic in the game imo, tied with Oran and falling just short of Ovelia's absolute mindfuckery of tragedy.
Even as a kid I always saved on the World Map in one file then in another. I'd have two files total to not restart the whole game. This game is now a walk in the park to me like many other games at this point.
I always leveled up Ramza as a monk with Two Swords and Guts (with Accumulate). That set up makes this fight laughably easy. Of course, that set up makes almost EVERY fight laughably easy.
Lol! You don't even need to Guts or Accumulate if you make Ramza a Ninja and have Martial Arts from the Monk, instead of the other way around for the Two Handed Monk. Since Ninja's always start first and have an insane high CT count that moves quick on the bar. You can EASILY wreck Velius's shit with that set up.
Oh yeah it’s broken. I’m doing a run with only unique characters so chapter 1 was done solo. Made Ramza a ninja with martial arts. Here’s how the last two battles went: Wiegraf got his spine punched into his stomach and Argath got double tapped in the kidneys turn one.
This is the classic ramza setup
But here as someone said above, it's better to switch to a ninja in this fight because of the high speed and movement
First time I've seen that riding a chocobo is a feature... Wow.
Me too I never knew that. I saw cut scenes of them doing it but never knew it was that simple, I thought you had to learn it
Bro I remember I was strong enough to get there but to weak to do damage I never had a game where I had to literally do a whole new play through just to get prepared to beat his ass
the real kicker is the fight after...
Don't forget to bring a few thieves or ninjas to the roof.
i loled so hard when the reinforcement that came is 2 chocobos 😂
A few tips for those wondering about this strategy and others for this fight:
- Use the support skill Two-Hands(Samurai), or Dual Wield(Ninja) to increase your damage on your turn.
- Use Move +2 for more reliable movement, as teleport has an increased chance to fail if you move beyond your move stat.
- If you did steal it from Gaffgarion at the execution site, equip blood sword.
- Try to use power/speed break to reduce his damage.
- Use slow on him and haste on yourself.
If you didn't know:
Wear a chameleon robe and watch him not use holy sword on you at all.
Back in the day I remember this guy 💀 the most difficult when it came to those zodiac stones
I got stuck here. Took me about a week to finally beat him. I ended up memorizing his movements
This is the check.
Either you're prepared, or you wasted your time.
I love it and hate it.
For kid me it was the double whammy of the "1v1" gaff fight at the gate which I barely made it through, and then the dang Cúchulainn fight was a HARD WALL that forced kid me to restart lol
I just know this one is considered one of those potential walls so my title reflected that despite not being the point.
Glad I learned to save multiple times and that some games ask you to save in "trapped" encounters lol
@@redphienix
Gaff was a hard one. It almost forced you to lose to learn how to adapt to it, and that's what I love about this game. It forces to you realize the potential of the player.
Cuchlainn never really gave me any problems... I'm not posturing to be clear, but I do agree that his instant AoE debuffs can be crippling.
Wiegraf... He's a different story. He comes out of nowhere, after a gauntlet without any saves in between. An unexpected 1v1 for newbies, and he has all the strength, health, and abilities to tear anyone unprepared apart.
Wiegraf and Marquis Elmdor will always be burned in my memory as bloody hard encounters that poked at the players confidence.
I just thought: wtf... two chocobos and one archer? Lol I didn't even know I could ride chocobos 😅
Oh yeah, it's not exactly super beneficial to do so because you lose a squad member and all you really gain is some mobility/height, but if I remember right this was a themed playthrough where I forced myself to play as chocobo cavalry the entire time :) Fun time
@@redphienix Interesting. I really need to re-play this game considering the rules used for balancing in FFT Arena (considering the strategy element to be exact), everyone knows why they banned the Lancer job... I remember I had a group of lancers that would just jump and win forever lol...
But I will definitely replay it following the FFT Arena rules :) . It may make the game more interesting. The lancer was kind of a glitch that made battles boring and easy to win... lol
This game is amazing, there is always new possibilities :)
Ramza solo with monk, dual wield and Guts, use Accumulate/Focus, Hands of mass destruction. not to mention the use of Chakra you are immortal.
Ah yes, the fight that made me restart FF Tactics and then grind Mandalia Plains for 30+ hours until my characters were level 50 with ability to one shot chapter 1’s enemies with a single throw stone.
It still took me 4 hours to kill Velius. Then came that next fight with Elmore. Sheesh.
The reason we got TG Cid was because the developers knew we were exhausted by that point.
Yep. Cidolfas Orlandu aka Thundergod Cid aka the game's apology for riovannes castle.
i was having a rough time trying to play my way, then got beat up so many times i just decided to change class to monk with the ninja skill two swords, and beat him in 1 shot.
I just remember a guide saying to equip a chamleon robe or something. This gave you a specific immunity that didnt apply to some of his dangerous special attacks. this allowed you to tank at the start even if you're not over levelled
I know I'm waaay late to the party but you can disable the JP & EXP gain notification to increase battle speed
Considering I've done that before when deleveling/re-leveling for a couple different "max" runs... I wish I knew why I didn't do it here. Hmm. A mystery! But too late for me to help past me either lol Good reminder!
I've been playing this game since I was 10 so since the 90's and I didn't know this. Mind blown!
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I vividly remember this fight. I remember getting stomped by him, over and over again. I eventually figured out that I could kite him with Yell until I outnumbered his turns 5 to 1, then machine gunned him to death with pebbles lol.
Then I kicked the extension cord my PSX was plugged into, cut off power to the console, and lost my save file. Could never bring myself to get that far into the game again.
Eyy, same here on the fight. I kept getting wrecked but lucked out and beat Wiegraf. Afterward Velius & his demons just wrecked me again & again.
After many, MANY attempts, I stumbled unto the yell cheese and breezed through both fight. I was lucky to have yell because my friends that played FFT did not and were forced to start the game over. Sucks about your extension chord, it's a good game.
I use a monk/guts/blade grasp/duel wield/move +2 or A squire/white/blade grasp/mag attack up/move +2 when I fight this guy. Ramza with the knights action abilities can work, especially with duel wield. But the options are endless. This is tied for my favorite game.
I remember being stuck in this fight. Then I restarted an older save and made Ramza into a monk. Then the fight became much easier. 😅
I found the best way to beat this guy is
1-Ramza Black mage.
2-Equip shield ability, equip a Flame shield.
3-Equip a Gold Hairpin (to avoid being silenced)
4-Stand right next to him and cast Fira on yourself.
I got stuck on this fight because the way the game saves 😩 I had to restart, but I’m ready this time
I'm still amazed that as a kid I made it through this one unscathed- but I did entirely flounder the Cúchulainn fight :( Did the same thing- saved and couldn't beat it so I had to restart lol
FFT: The game that teaches you to save in multiple slots, with violence
Dam I feel for you. That's why I save numerous times on numerous other slots in case things like this happen, I saved during the fight level 39 & just before it where I'm level 38, games really needa stop doin that
this is what makes FFT one of the best . this trap stage and difficulty are quite similar to tactics ogre 😂
@@andriesusanto8684 oh man I wrote this comment 2 years ago lmao I can safely say I beat the game and it was one of the best games I’ve ever played. I’ve since beat it twice actually
I just always grinded for two swords and hamedo, never had much of an issue. But if you don't grind, this fight can be a nightmare.
Ninja with monk unarmed!
2nd phase....God help ya!
This dude and chuchulain only the only challenging fight so far
The bad memories I have of this fight haha.
Damage breakdown = 180 + 180 + 56 + 270 + 180 + 180 = 1046
I missed the 56 it was 990. You are right.
Smashed my PSP when I was a kid because I save locked myself here. The memories 🤣
I hacked the game for psp so I had the dark knight class and every other maxed out plus all the money and equipment so this didn't bother me at all
@@KennethRobinson-hl7sg No achievement in Hacking
Dumbass
Ah yes. I remember I fail this fight for the first time and I have to restart the game from the beginning because I forgot to save on a second file. The good old times lmao
I beat him ONCE, but never again.
I use Ramza Dragoon for the Dual and Iaido for the Belias fight. Kiyomori just makes his summons and the demons utterly useless and Murasame heals it all up
This was what finally made me quit playing the game. I do have a backup save from literally the last battle before this, so I could grind some more and boost stats, I know. But I already spent so much time on the game, literally twenty hours grinding to level up. The problem I had was his first attack. It could randomly do double damage and instantly end the fight. Then, you get the long Game Over screen and have to reload up to this point. I tried several different jobs with different stats, as I had unlocked most of them and I finally got through the opening part of the battle. Then, when he changed into Belias, the Gigas, I didn't even get a chance to take actions for my first several attempts. I finally gave up and just watched the rest of the scenes from the game so I would be able to complete the story. If they ever do a remaster, I might play it if there are difficulty settings. The older I get, the older my kids get, the less time I have on games and I was genuinely enjoying the story and the game until this battle.
That's a damn shame to hear :(
As a huge fan of the game, I'd love to say I hope you try again or when another re-release occurs but I wouldn't go forcing that- instead I'll say /if/ you do, there are plenty of strategies to push you over that edge and I hope you find one :) And otherwise- I'm glad you had fun prior to hitting this fight.
Have a good one 👍
The hardest boss in the game. Probably the one who crush your save data xD many times
I lucked out as a kid and didn't get stuck here, but oh buddy did he destroy my friend's saves x.x
I wasn't safe, it got me on a later boss back then lmaoo
@@redphienix i think if you dont know..
This is the most harder boss...there is no in between...u get nuked..or you nuke him...only.
@@RetroGamesMas He just never really hit any of my runs like that, or really demanded I nuke him usually- but considering how easily he 'can' nuke, oh buddy I believe it.
For me it was Cúchulainn all day though. Couldn't tell you why his status dooming was so hard on kid me but it was. (That's a lie, I know why, because I had no items to resist sleep and doom, was too underleveled/poorly-built to kill him fast, and it makes you save the game before that fight like many other doom-your-save points in FFT lol)
Wiegraf? No prob. Roof assassins? No prob. For SOME reason kid me was FLOORED by doom spam from Cúchulainn (and also was momentarily walled by the gate pseudo 1v1 with gaff because I was like "WHAT, I'll have to 1v1 sometimes??" which I guess maybe prepped me for wiegraf as a kid? Unsure.)
This fight is definitely up there for most people- and it's no wonder. He's well statted, has really strong abilities that you most likely aren't prepped against without precognition of what he does, and it's a TRUE 1v1 with no assistance until you finish round 1.
It's rough as hell!
I’m pretty sure I did the accumulate and speed up skills to cheese this one.
As far as I see, the Trauma Button has been pressed here!
I remember he used to make me rage. But i beat him being monk class or either knight i can't remember 😂
This was a sad boss fight. No more than a rabid dog at this point.
Weigraf at this point feels like an extreme end-state of leftism.
"The masses are in fact always on the side of the ruling class and have to be led by the nose, so to speak. The working class needs to be educated by the class-conscious workers in the course of their struggle." -- Karl Marx
what the heck, I never knew you could mount the chocobos lol
You made this battle way harder than it needs to be. Squire with monk traits. And the trait where you hit twice with your fists. You yell and yell until your speed is up to where you're getting 2 turns. You never attack. Just keep yelling and running. And make sure you have auto potion on. Then after that you cast accumulate 10-15 times. Then you will one shot wiegraf. Then when he changes walk up to him and you will do 999 and then 999 and he is done. You can do this without taking any damage.
You're mistaken in assuming you knew my goal in this fight, this was part of a meme-y challenge run as is (Cavalry Run) and this was a bit of a victory lap messing with and exploiting stacking stats with yell. All to say it's as hard as it was meant to be, and as round-about as it was intended to be.
Another 15 rounds spent accumulating isn't necessary when both you and I in these hypotheticals already aren't at risk of dying.
That said, that definitely works, pretty sure a two swords monk was my go-to build on my first playthrough of the game as a kid. It took me quite a bit longer to realize just how busted an x-potion auto potion build was for this game, lol.
Also, you can't be a Squire with Barehanded and Two Swords (the double attack skill), you're slightly mistaken if that was the intended build.
Though I probably just mis-interpreted because I think all you're saying is to combine the three options (Barehanded/Two swords/Basic Skill (accumulate)) which would mean either playing as a Monk with Basic Skill and Two Swords, or a Ninja with Barehanded and Basic Skill, but as Two Swords and Barehanded are both support skills, you can't equip both on a Squire for those mega powered double punches, dang shame :/
Regardless, thanks for sharin' some FFT nonsense, it's my favorite kind.
@@redphienix yes you are right now that I think about it. Ramzan as a monk. With two swords. And squire capabilities. Same thing. Yell and accumulate...10-15 times each. Then one shot him. He then turns into that pos...then since you have so much speed you just walk up and hit him for 999 and 999 damage. I had more problems beating that chick that breaks your items on the roof...miluda or meliadoul or whatever her name is than this douchebag. I didn't know about maintenance back in the day. Had I know that I dont think I would have quit playing that game for years after being stuck there.
you can spam tailwhind and rock him to death if u wanna get down to brass elitest tacks!
before itachi, this wiegraf is the best man ever lived, his ideology is very true.
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Infamous indeed
The Boss that the reason i had to make many save file
Never understood why people have a hard time with this fight. Ramza can kill wiegraf in 2 rounds. Givem dual wield or two handed, give him move +2 so he can get behind wiegraf. Boom! Over! Ive never done this fight with chocobo though..this is actually impressive
A long time ago, before i knew about some of the jobs in the game. I had ramza as a knight. Id have him walk up to wiegraf and destroy his sword. Without it, wiegraf was useless.
There's no need for all that. Just be a wizard with the equip shield skill. Wear the flame shield and cast fire spells on yourself while standing next to weigraf.
i don't remmeber ever seeing this. reading "I don't give a damn about miluda's murder" makes me think this is a rom hack.
It's the PS1 version. To be EXTREMELY precise on which version, it's the PS1 version made available through the PS3 digital store-
(since back in 2017 when I started this themed playthrough my PS1 disc failed to load so I spent money buying a game I already own like 3 versions of lol)
which is indeed just the PS1 version with no changes- the dialogue is unchanged here.
I'd wager the PSP has different dialogue but the same sentiment since 99% of the text works that way in that version.
lol I thought I was only one I had restart the game because I couldn’t beat him and didn’t save back up…. It was tough
This fight got me.stuck to I was a 45 lancer and I guess my irl brithsign is weak to his shjn he would kill me in one hit I rember say wtf
Bad event is more memorable.😂 same as in oxygen not included when pee water mixed with drinking water
bro has 17 levels on him and still gotta play lil tricks
lmao
Infamous?
I dont think this fight ever gave me trouble. I remember needing to restart because of the stupid rooftop fight right after this because all my characters were too slow.
I spend like 20 hr trying to steal their stuff which i though i can only get it from them. Rooftop
Your video just proves why this was so stupid of a fight, that you really do need to cheese it to survive. Doesnt matter what class he was played as, to beat this, you need to speed plus yourself till you go 2-3 times for his one.
Trying not to be that person but hey, my vid, I can't really agree and I love rambling nonsense about FFT. Luckily, it doesn't matter what I think vis-a-vis differing opinions but I don't agree that this or any encounter in FFT is a "Cheese or get screwed" situation. Buuuut you can! And that's part of the identity of FFT that I love :)
I did what I did in this video not /because/ of the fight, but because I could and felt like it at the moment I decided to click record. Heck the entire recording isn't "about" Wiegraf, it's just background noise for a post I made on an entirely different site.
I won't come to bat over whether this fight was /entirely/ fair since you're not given proper expectations before entering just like a handful of other fights in the game- and the fact FFT does that is exactly why so many people associate encounters like this or the roof assassins or specific lucavi as "Complete BS!!!!!"
Definitely the game of all time for teaching people to save in multiple slots- whoever at square enix thought asking to save before LOCKING you into an encounter was a good idea is a jackass lol
but I can easily disagree that it's designed so poorly as to need to be cheesed. You don't need 2 or 3 actions per his 1, you don't need to focus to 60 strength before starting the fight, you don't need x y or z, I just happened to be doing that when I recorded this.
If kid me randomly rolling a monk through only had to give it a second try when I realized Ramza was going in solo, I can't rightly say it's cheese or get screwed. This and any of the "BS" encounters really are doable with just about any team makeup, it's just a matter of "Do you have a way of defeating them quickly or disabling their means of killing you before you can?" and there's plenty of ways to go about that before you start needing to cheese with some of the more ridiculous mechanics available.
But yeah, 100% you can cheese him. FFT is awesome because it gives you so many ways to go about cheesing to begin with. Slap a chameleon robe on. Slap auto potion on (genuinely the easiest counter for any fight is hi->x-potion auto potion), spend a dumb amount of time grinding beforehand and stealing end game gear from level 99 encounters before doing this, go brawler ninja, world's your oyster when it comes to ways to cheese him- but it's not necessary.
Have a way to heal and be a class that isn't so unarmored that you're one shot and it's all good.
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Its easier with accumulate + hp restore + move hp up
Or just auto potion with an inventory of hi potions or higher- this was not intended as an easy solution- it's a gimmick run that was having a laugh.
Great looks like I needa actually grind squire class now 🤦🏿♂️ this game man I swear when it's not the crazy save spots, it's more grinding on top of other grinding, I just want Ninja Monks aside from Agrias Holy Knight Monk
Oh you don't remotely need to, Squire is kinda trash outside of Accumulate and Ramza's exclusive "Yell" and "Scream" abilities. Ya can though.
If ya do (or if you decide to grind just about any job) the Squire Basic Skill Accumulate is by far the fastest way to do that. Instant cast, full JP reward, spammable whenever the hell you want- good stuff to exploit if you want to max out Squire (or any job if you make Basic Skill their secondary job skill).
Hardly the point- no one likes grind- but if you wanted to ease that dread then knowing that can help. Ninja Monks will definitely kick the entire game's rear, 100%, so honestly you probably won't need to ever focus on Squire anyway.
Have a good one!
@@redphienix All you really need is a female Geomancer named Cake. With Draw-Out, Magic Attack-UP...
Just a little advice from a very season FFT player. Just get most of your classes to level 5 and move on. Buy skills that are can be helpful as secondary job and do not skip out on Auto Potion. A very underrated reaction skill. Lastly just be a monk/ninja with equip armor on this stage to out last the damage.
@@redphienix squire focus skill for level up grind is good since u always get 10 exp lol
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If you're here and thinking about restarting, HEED ME
You're probably playing this on an emulator, it'll work on original hardware too but it'll just take longer.
All you need is "Rend Speed" and a Gun. Turn Ramza into a Chemist. Equip him with the gun. Keep resetting the game until you get rend speed to hit. Once that hits, get more rend speeds to hit and heal yourself. Eventually you'll get to take like 7-8 turns before Wiegraf can even move. At this point you can rend power or just shoot him to death.
The next battle is even tougher though but you'll have your full party.
Made me feel like im cheating ;)
i'm surprised this part of the game isn't widely deemed a failure of game design. So many of the battles are so easy as your characters dominate the map when out of nowhere comes a 1v1 with an extraordinarily over powered boss. It was this point of the game where i realized I really don't care about the incomprehensible storyline.
Crying shame it lost you here, but giving up on one of, hell, at LEAST 2 different softlock save points makes complete sense to me.
Kid me softlocked at the Cúchulainn bossfight which was ROUGH. It really should be a crime to put a save point before an encounter and not say "Hey, bud, you might want to save in a different slot for this one, chief."
It's not a failure, it's a design choice.
Some people might find it brilliant, some think it's bad to not tell the player about it.
I think the latter are just people who never played older games. There are lots of these unexpected scenarios where the game doesn't outright tell you what is going to happen. And I think it works in this case for the story.
Besides the fact that you can just use a different save file, really separates experienced players and those who aren't.
The Zodiac Brave Story is my favorite story of all time. The game was perfect for me as the music is top tier and somehow I can really get into the characters and dialogue. Even without voice I can really feel a lot of these scenes. There are so many characters you can fall in love with or hate. The final scene of the game made me wonder all of these years if it could possibly be true(you wont understand unless you finish the game... I don't want to spoil it for any readers).
I think today it would be hard to captivate people with a game like this. Especially with how flashy modern games are. I am happy I was able to appreciate this game as a child when it was the standard for gaming technology. Even in this video when Wiegraf uses the stone to transform and the music changes, I get chills! What a game!
aigh
im sorry but why did this take you so long? you're running around chewing on potions
To be blunt, because I was enjoying it at the time.
Hard to fully recall but I remember most of this run of FFT being me playing around seeing various encounters devolve as I stacked speed until I got bored enough to swing once or twice.
It's more than easy enough to end this encounter in a couple turns, both fights included, but running in circles as Wiegraf struggles to keep along or do anything meaningful was a good laugh at the time, and despite being a recording posted publicly the play was for me so we both end up with this tedious video lol.
at that point may as well use auto potion, but I get some fft players consider auto potion to be cheating
@@professorpenne9962I have never heard that. Auto potion is not even one of the better reaction abilities. Its a good early game option but its not so good as to be considered cheating.
But my ramza is a holyswordsman with 2 swords skill 😅 i can beat this shitty boss with one move 😂
Lmao dude is 16 levels above this man and he is upping his speed to beat him 😂 🤣 💀. Just use a monk with hp restore my man God damn what a giant waste of time lol...
Don't even need equip armor at that point you have enough life lol
Agree, I also only have Ramza set as Monk with dual wield and 96 brave. Add Move+2 and you can OTK Wiegraf. But I think the OP didn't do it due to the challenge run reason.
Even the failed teleports were making me cringe. Minimal move stat king right here 😂
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