Zeiss Batis 135mm f/2.8 APO Sonnar T* | First Look
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- Zeiss Batis 135mm f/2.8 APO Sonnar T* | First Look | Join photographer Dustin Abbott for his first Sony E-mount First Look episode. Zeiss announced the Batis 2.8/135mm today. Dustin has been shooting with it for a few weeks already. Get an early look along with some first photos from it! | Image Gallery | bit.ly/batis281... | Zeiss Batis 135mm f/2.8 | Buy it B&H Photo: bhpho.to/2oBNbAz | Amazon:
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hi Dustin! Congratulations! Excellent for you to have the chance to review this special lens so early and to have the opportunity to also work with the Sony system. Great opportunity to gain experience outside of your regular field. What an exciting time for you!
Exciting...busy...all the above.
Yes! Please start reviewing Emount Lenses! Your reviews are awesome!
I don't really have time to do this on a regular basis.
Thanks for the review of the new Batis 135/2.8. It was nice to know that you were open-minded about the differences between the Sony E-mount system and Canon's equipment, with which you are more familiar. Cheers.
The lens looks pretty attractive, BTW. Like others who have commented here, the thought of a relatively long lens that is nonetheless relatively light, as well, is quite appealing.
In real world use it is balanced pretty well.
Yes, it is 2.8 vs milvus 2.0 (or other 1.8/1.4 options), yet, the OIS gives 2-4 stop advantage depending how shaky a person is. In body stabilization further improves that. 0.1sec shots are completely stable in my experience.
I though of sigma and the 1.4, but decided to go w Batis due to weight, native mount and native AF.... It just balances PERFECTLY on A7Riii.
Besides, the Zeiss look is what one pays for above the superb image quality and handling.
Good review again, but I could feel you were not as confident as on other reviews.
Thanks for sharing.
Getting the right balance is important.
I'm not in the market for e-mount lenses, but anyway thx for another great video. Very cool that you get your hands on newly released zeiss lenses so early!!!
The Zeiss people are great!
Thanks for the quick look at the new Zeiss 135mm lens. I would be very interested to see how that will compare to Sigma 135mm lens because I am in the market for 135mm. I use to shoot Canon 135mm, Nikon FD 135mm and A-Mount Ziess 135mm f1.8. I have to admit out of all the Zeiss lens was the best. Thanks again for the work you share. Great stuff!
My pleasure. I probably wont have the Sigma at the same time, as I have it scheduled to arrive for the 18th.
Great video as always Dustin. I hope you're keeping well.🍀👍
I am, thank you
Pricey, I wonder how it compares to the 135mm f/2.0L...
It is one stop slower, of course, but it is optically on another level.
Could you please elaborate on this a tiny bit? Thank you.
the lens he is reviewing is a 2.8. the lens that nick commented on is a 2.0. a stop slower means he would have to adjusted his iso or shutter an extra stop. if he adjusted his shutter then it will be a stop slower. for every stop of aperture you adjust you have to also adjust in your iso or shutter. by saying its optically on another level he is saying that its just simply better. I personally prefer to shoot 2.8-4 on portraits. but I do like a quicker aperture, between 1.8 and 2.8 for lower light shooting. if you need a quicker aperture then you might want to get the 2.0 but it is an L lens so if you have a sony (assuming you do cause its a battis) you also need an adapter. the 2.8 is native with better optics so unless you need an extra stop of bokeh..I wouldn't get the f2. id 100% get the 2.8.
clint kerfoot I'm liking Sony's offerings more and more and Dustin's reviews are starting to convince me a bit more.
yeah he knows his stuff for sure. i'm not with Sony any more but this is a nice lens. 2.8 is my sweet spot so id jump on it if I didn't already own the rokinon f2 version. which is a homerun of a lens.
Awesome review, please share photos as soon as you can! Thank you!
Check out the image gallery: bit.ly/batis28135IG
When will you be doing your final review?
I like that you are not a complete fanboy of any one system and it comes across in your reviews as unbiased, never lose that man.
I'll be filming it next week, and it will probably "air" the week afterward.
Looking forward to the testing of this premium and very expensive lens, hope it lives up to the Zeiss name. The image gallery looks very promising with great sharpness and color, the lack of vignetting is also quite obvious.
The latter really surprises me. I can't remember a Zeiss lens with low vignette before!
True, that's been the Achilles heel of Zeiss and other high end lenses. Are you sure the A7RII camera body is not applying vignetting correction to the raw files? Looks almost too good to be true. :)
To be honest I don't know the Sony body well enough to know that - though I've never heard of applying corrections to RAW files. The whole point of a RAW file is to get it untouched. The "relative illuminance" chart from Zeiss I have seems to indicate that in the extreme corners there is only about 10% difference between f/2.8 and f/5.6, so that looks pretty good. The same chart for the Milvus 2/135mm shows about a 60% difference, to give you perspective.
Interesting, I suspect the illuminance chart is accurate and the lens is performing to specification. I have heard in blog posts of lens correction data being added to the raw files and interpreted by the raw processing software to add the appropriate corrections. Apparently this is not the case with the 135 mm Zeiss Batis.
No , no . Sony A7 raws are free of corrections. You have to activate the lens profile corection in LR if you want to correct vignete , distorsion , CA.
good video
Thanks
Please create more test of lenses for Sony E-mount future, it will make me very happy!
I can't promise that, Jess. I don't own a Sony body. This was kind of a one-time thing because Zeiss asked and because I could make it happen.
P.S. The Zeiss people are great, so I was willing to make a little extra effort to do this review.
It's okay, it was just a little hope on my part. I will still follow your good work although it is not for E-mount!
Dustin Abbott us Sony shooter are asking you for reviews due to how you stick to image vs bias
I understand, William. I get asked by the Nikon crowd to do Nikon reviews for the same reason, but I only have so much time!
Good to see you with a Sony.
I can't afford to add one right now, so it's only temporary!
Your opinion: Batis 135 or Milvus 135 - which is better?
I need to shoot with it longer and in more situations. My gut, however, says that I slightly prefer the Milvus' rendering. This lens is very, very sharp, though. The Milvus' larger aperture gives it an advantage in the bokeh department.
Great Job Dustin plz try and fit Sony E-mount lenses in for reviews from time to time. We value your reviews. Again great job and continued success.
No guarantees, but I'll keep an open mind.
That's all we can ask :) thank you Dustin
I'm disappointed that Zeiss has been increasing the prices of their more recent Batis lenses. Can't say I'm surprised, though. They had problems keeping up with production of the first lenses they launched. Supply and demand, I guess.
For an additional US$500, one can buy the 70-200 f/2.8 G-master. I really don't understand the pricing.
This lens is much smaller and lighter. I think it will appeal to different people. Zeiss might drop the prices eventually, but if they're selling so many lenses that production can't keep up it makes sense for them to charge more. I'm hoping Samyang will make an autofocus version of their 135mm f2. It would make much more sense than their autofocus 14mm f2.8.
did you uses AF-S or AF-C focus?
I've used both, but I primarily use AF-S (haven't really shot action with the lens)
Dustin Abbott I do opposite AF-S is very limiting compared to AF-C on Sony-mirrorless cameras. though at first it was going against the grain of years of shooting.
I now use AF-C for most usage. the most interesting thing I've found with portraits AF-C are cleaner, less second takes, eye auto focus in AF-C allows more emotions in the shot, and lastly a lot more flexibility.
Would you be willing to do a review coming from Canon shooter point of view one of these day. Using just AF-C only on Sony vs Canon AF?
That's interesting. I'll give it a try.
Dustin Abbott Thank you
I hope Sigma feels the same way & sends you the 135mm & 14mm Art lenses!
The 135 is scheduled. I don't have time to take it right now, but I have it scheduled for arrival on the 18th.
You lucky guy!!!!
Can't argue there.
Yay for Sony
I'm a little jealous of the Batis lineup that Sony shooter have access to!
It has become a very popular system with many photographers now and growing fast. Which is not surprising with the advantages a mirrorless brings and with Sony's particular features like 5 axis image stabilisation built in allows people to use lenses that don't come with image stabilisation. Which kind of perplexes me. Zeiss built stabilisation into the lens when the Sony E mount cameras already have image stabilisation built into the sensor.... don't know why they did that
I'm a little puzzled by the OS too, but I guess the 5 Axis stabilization is currently only in a couple of their E-Mount bodies. Many E-Mount shooters will be thankful for the OS.
Dustin Abbott been a a6xxx shooter for awhile. the A6500 is a7x ii series have 5 axis the rest don't.
I thought this Sony already had stabilisation in the camera. Looks to me a very nice camera for my old FD lenses (and with a converter my EF lenses). I use my Canon 135 mm F2.0 a lot lately and that lens is só fantastic. But I must say, your photo gallery shows a lot of beautiful pictures. But one stop slower then the Canon for twice the price? Must be the little amount of lenses you can screw directly on the Sony that influence the price. Can not think of a other reason. The name Zeiss perhaps.
The Canon 135L is a beautiful lens, but is not in the same class as this lens optically. I think the stabilization in the lens is because not all Sony E-mount bodies have the IBIS (just a couple of them).
The Sony A* mark I types I thought? The mark II types of Sony have that. Sometimes it is strange for me to read that there are even better lenses, I always used to love to have those better lens. But I tend to be happy more and more what I have and that is a lot. I love my Canon 135 mm F2.0L lens, in every aspect. The sharpness wide open (and F2.0 is very open for a 135mm), the beautiful bokeh. What more can I ask for? Sigma made a very nice 85mm Art lens, while I am very happy with my Sigma 85mm non Art lens. Of course as a reviewer you have to be objective and I surely believe the 85 mm Art for example is better then the non Art. I owned a Canon 85 F1.2 which did not do the job for me, the focus is kaput, even the manual, while the much cheaper Sigma did. It is very nice that you reviewed this lens on a serie of camera's I am very interested in. A Sony a7 mark II (with stabilisation build in, not the much more expensive A7R mark II you tested the Zeiss on) cost a little bit more then a Canon 6D. With a lot of new possibilities. A couple of converters and I can not stop dreaming...
wow. cant believe it. now ur reviewing Sony Fe mount. finally.
becos i am using this system but always watch ur review even tho i dont use what u always review.
now cant wait to see ur review of other fe mounts. if thats in your plans
Right now it is only this one. Zeiss asked if I would review the lens, so I borrowed a Sony body to do the review on.
Tamron designs and manufactures most of these so-called Zeiss Batis lens. In my perspective, one reason that I keep using DSLR camera is because of the Otus and Milvus lenses. These "real" Zeiss have outstanding optical quality which could stand fierce competition, we don't really have to purchase for the meaningless Zeiss name stick.
Have you used this lens? If Tamron has a lens like this (with this optical performance) waiting for DSLR users at the 135mm focal length, I'm looking forward to seeing it.
To be honest, I don't have a camera body with E mount, so I never 'use' this lens in depth. And Tamron may not be allowed to publish a similar lens even they have the patent on it. My point is these Batis lenses are good, but too pricy for the meaningless Zeiss name stick.
just for your information, Otus and Milvus are all made by Cosina(Japan), not Zeiss. So as you said, those also have so-called meaningless Zeiss name stick:)
OEM and ODM are different. Even Cosina manufactures Otus, Milvus, and Classic lenses, Zeiss still owns the patent. That's whay I said "Tamron *designs and manufactures* most of these so-called Zeiss *Batis* lenses;" additionally, you could find a similar example - Leica SL lenses (the patent is held by Panasonic).
I think it is quite becoming a philosophical question. So who designed lenses matters to you, regardless of the brands. But I disagreed your point of view right here. In fact, Zeiss always "checks the qualities" in all phases form designs to manufacturings. And they also "agreed" to sell those under their name and reputation. Moreover, those lenses that you think have meaningless name sticks have excellent optical performances as you can see on DXOMark website. Therefore, whoever designed, Zeiss brands on those lenses will not become meaningless or other Zeiss lenses that you think real will not become more real.
If you insist, actually I can also say all lenses except Zeiss Cine lenses are not real. Because your REAL Zeiss lenses are not "made" by Zeiss itself either. So no right answers here. Just no fake or real. It totally depends on to what extent you define them fake or real. Every single Zeiss lens is good.
Btw, even if you use a Sony mirrorless camera instead of a DSLR camera, you still can use Otus or Milvus lenses by using something like MC-11 anyway. I just wanted to say it cannot be the reason why you should keep using DSLR at this point.
The price of this lens is disappointing. It was expected to retail at $1500.
It is pricey. It's also pretty amazing.
Dustin Abbott it's not that pricey compare to other high-end rangefinder style camera lenses or even Canon L glass.
William Davis Canon 70-200 f2.8 IS II is $1900. Canon 135 f2 is 1000.
Yasser Sultan this is around $2,000. it's what it cost for this level of lenses. most of Canon L lenses cost around $1500-$2,000
$2000 for a f2.8 135 is so overpriced. if its f1.8 or 2. fine. but its not.
the smaller size n weight n performance is great. but the price is so wrong. To me.
Too much.
You may be right. Then again, look at the price of the G-Master lenses! We'll see how the market responds to the price point. It is definitely steeper than any of the other Batis lenses.
From what I have seen until now, no other lens on this planet beats the Canon 200 mm f 2.0 for portraits and bokeh. If i would really have a high end portrait shoot where I would need to impress I would rent that one. Even Jason Lanier, who is deep down into Sony, uses it lately with an adapter. To have blocked over 2 grand on a prime portrait lens, with very limited use and flexibility, with no macro capabilities, for me is a waste of money and slightly snobbish. I admit that Batis is a cool name. For people that are making a ton of money out of photography and TH-cam( I saw Matt Granger unboxing it today) maybe it makes sense. For the rest of us, who shoots family sessions, poor artist head shots and newborns, a Canon 85 mm 1.8 delivers pretty much close
Have you used the lens? I only ask because if you think the Canon 85mm f/1.8 is close, you definitely haven't. I see your point on some levels, but optically this lens is stunningly good.
Dustin Abbott No, I haven't. I am a Canon shooter, hence a subscriber to your channel. The last thing I would need now would be to block 2 grand on a fancy stylish portrait lens. Actually I need a camera that can record video for hours, cause I have a gig for money. So I am chasing a Panasonic.
Maybe I stretched the point with the 85 mm 1.8, but we also have Sigma 85 1.4, cheaper, highest rated on dxomark, we have Canon 85 mm 1.2, also significantly cheaper now, used, we have the Canon 135 mm 2.0, also cheaper, plus the macro long lenses. There are so many choices for a field where I don't honestly know that most people would notice anything that , to change a whole system or just to buy an expensive body for this lens seems quite odd. On the other hand, I understand, we get bored, we want the best. I changed already three bodies and 8 lenses since August, following the reviews. Our parents were buying stuff to last for 20 years, that's why they were paying, for quality and reliability, now the life span of any equipment we own is about 6 months one year.