This seems to be more about Lee Burger, superman, going where no man has gone before. Except that most of what he (and others like John Hawks) say about naledi is dismissed by independent scientists who have found many scientific errors in his analyses, as well as pointing out internal inconsistencies in his published work. So very likely no deliberate burials, or rock art or use of fire in the caves. To fully understand what Burger is claiming, it is worthwhile spending a few hours doing background research on TH-cam and decide for yourself.
He went into a calorics deficit by some method. The easiest way is to eat a high fibre diet, composed of low calorie density foods. In other words; lots of whole food plants. The fibre slows digestion, so you get the benefits of feeling full, while actually consuming less calories. Surely, his doctor was impressed.
All his papers were published in a pay to publish journal. All of them had negative feedback stemming from one common complaint: not enough proof for his theories. Before publishing, he went to Netflix for a deal. This tells you EVERYTHING about this man. He's in this for money, not the monumental discovery that was made. While it's great Homo Naledi was discovered, his theories about burial and art don't hold water per the plethora of publishings made by scientists since this discovery proving there was no deliberate burial or art. More proof must be provided to substantiate his claims.
The feedback says more evidence is required NOT that it’s not true. If these were Homo sapiens bones, no one would question that it was burials and intentional art. The negativity is because no one wants to believe these behaviors were pre-human, because then we’re not special anymore. Boo hoo.
1) "All his papers were published in a pay to publish journal." - No, they weren't. 1a) There's a list of Berger's 258 published scientific papers here on Google Scholar, all peer-reviewed: scholar.google.com/citations?user=PpW_J88AAAAJ&hl=en 1b) The specific papers about Homo Naledi you seem to be concerned with were NOT published in a "pay to publish journal", they were published in "eLife", "a not-for-profit, peer-reviewed, open access, science publisher for the biomedical and life sciences... established [in] 2012 by the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, Max Planck Society, and [the] Wellcome Trust..." 2) "All of them had negative feedback stemming from one common complaint: not enough proof for his theories." - (a) No, they did NOT all have negative feedback, and (b) the papers were intended to be preliminary announcements, not proofs. 2a, 2b) Genevieve von Petzinger, a well-known Canadian paleoanthropologist specializing in cave art and meaning marks, reviewed the Berger group mark-making paper. She recently said: "I did review the pre-print on the mark-making paper... from last year. I was the only one who didn't trash [it] because I treated it... as a preliminary announcement... obviously there was no data yet: this was more like they were [saying] "Hey, we found some marks in this cave, and we think this is what we're seeing"... but I didn't feel like that paper was trying to be like the mic drop; I felt more like it was the opener of the conversation... This has been a process... the first art team got involved, you know, summer of 2023, and... we have been working at it and really trying to come at it in a... very systematic way to make sure that we are doing the science properly... that we are coming in as the rock art specialists and really trying to do right by the discipline... to make sure we are bringing really good data to the public... What came out before was preliminary... in collaboration with the Rising Star team we will be doing a paper in the future... once we have had a chance to sit down and analyze [the data]... back in the lab..." See: th-cam.com/video/RhR2HfgFmPU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=61FhXS7dQtVNsMk2&t=2520 3) Your comments that "[Berger] went to Netflix for a deal. This tells you EVERYTHING about this man. He's in this for money, not the monumental discovery that was made" is absurd and scurrilous. Berger is speaking to a world-wide public audience, most of whom are largely ignorant of the fantastic new finds in paleoanthropology and their importance. Besides being a first-class paleoanthropologist, he's a first-class advocate for the whole field of study, a first-class politician who's smart enough to build support for paleoanthropology by exciting public opinion, and a first-class salesman who knows how to sell further anthropological work to the funding organizations. Isn't all that what the field actually needs? And doesn't Berger himself walk the talk, on (and under) the ground? And I find NO evidence Netflix paid Berger a dime on "Cave of Bones" - but even if they did, so what? "Scientist Makes Money on Discovery". Wow. How awful. As far as "not being in it for the monumental discovery that was made" - yeah, right. The guy worked his whole life digging in the dirt for fossils because he was thinking to himself "Someday this will make me RICH, RICH, RICH!" 4) You say Berger's "theories about burial and art don't hold water" and that "the plethora of publishings made by scientists since this discovery proving there was no deliberate burial or art". Plethora? What is a plethora? th-cam.com/video/-mTUmczVdik/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OU8Grh6eBQVAcLWR&t=19 Actually, I can only think of one paper: "No Sedimentological Evidence for Deliberate Burial by Homo naledi: A Case Study Highlighting the Need for Best Practices in Geochemical Studies Within Archaeology and Paleoanthropology", see: chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/paleoanthropology.org/ojs/index.php/paleo/libraryFiles/downloadPublic/25 Is "one" a "plethora"? This paper is not a final "proof" there was no deliberate burial (and it has nothing to say about art). It is one set of conclusions based on one approach to the data, nothing more. This issue will be studied by many teams for years. Eventually, a consensus will emerge. As far as whether Berger's "theories about burial and art" hold water - maybe they will, maybe they won't. That's true of all sciences. Right now, in addition to his 160 Rising Star international team members, there are also independent teams of scientists from various disciplines working with Berger's data and samples in South Africa, which he shares freely. For the latest updates, see renowned archaeologist and researcher Dr. George Nash discussing his trips to Rising Star and Homo naledi at: th-cam.com/video/RhR2HfgFmPU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=61gYGl14slmdE6zj&t=2843 A final thought: All this grousing about Berger just sounds like petty jealousy - and my guess is, it's going to blow back hard on all the critics as more work is done in the years to come. In any case, when you personally launch a scurrilous attack on someone - an attack that is "untrue, unfair, and defamatory" - you really ought to know what you're talking about.
yada yada..better the author bears some expense to publish, so that EVERYONE can access it for free. He does not have the luxury of waiting for 200 years for humans to draw the rather obvious conclusions from the finds. Just because the customs of the community demands that you wait and drag feet for some 200 yrs to accept what appears reasonably obvious, he is not going to forego the pleasure that he has earned. if any of you can identify evidence for the contrary, you will get your chance
the fossils were made accessible to researchers, he puts up printable scans of all the bones, his team has been put together transparently. all footage from inside the site is streamed. footage and photgraphs are made accessible. even a non-paleoanthropologist like me knows this. If you have any valid differences, you will be allowed to pursue your own theory... but to demand that he should not pursue his theory because it causes consternation to the rest of the community -that is not going to happen. those days are gone. when the geologist who understood the presence of plate tectonics needed to be supressed because it offended the prejudices of the science community, those archaeologists who saw that human migration into americas happened earlier than assumed who needed to be dismissed, and who missed the chance to experience the joy of their discoveries etc etc
if he fancies that hat, he is perfectly free to wear it. He does not owe anything to your accepted religious customs. keep praying in the church of orthodox science that it can be proved to be bs, then you can criticize his dress
Amazing story, amazing discoveries. I will have to watch this a couple more times to catch it all.
Prof.Berger should help in identifying possible locations of homonin fossils in other parts of the globe - indian subcontinent please
Amazing story. Wish i could have seen that
This seems to be more about Lee Burger, superman, going where no man has gone before. Except that most of what he (and others like John Hawks) say about naledi is dismissed by independent scientists who have found many scientific errors in his analyses, as well as pointing out internal inconsistencies in his published work. So very likely no deliberate burials, or rock art or use of fire in the caves. To fully understand what Burger is claiming, it is worthwhile spending a few hours doing background research on TH-cam and decide for yourself.
Please tell hot you lost 50 kelos?!
He went into a calorics deficit by some method. The easiest way is to eat a high fibre diet, composed of low calorie density foods. In other words; lots of whole food plants.
The fibre slows digestion, so you get the benefits of feeling full, while actually consuming less calories. Surely, his doctor was impressed.
All his papers were published in a pay to publish journal. All of them had negative feedback stemming from one common complaint: not enough proof for his theories. Before publishing, he went to Netflix for a deal. This tells you EVERYTHING about this man. He's in this for money, not the monumental discovery that was made. While it's great Homo Naledi was discovered, his theories about burial and art don't hold water per the plethora of publishings made by scientists since this discovery proving there was no deliberate burial or art. More proof must be provided to substantiate his claims.
The feedback says more evidence is required NOT that it’s not true. If these were Homo sapiens bones, no one would question that it was burials and intentional art. The negativity is because no one wants to believe these behaviors were pre-human, because then we’re not special anymore. Boo hoo.
1) "All his papers were published in a pay to publish journal." - No, they weren't.
1a) There's a list of Berger's 258 published scientific papers here on Google Scholar, all peer-reviewed: scholar.google.com/citations?user=PpW_J88AAAAJ&hl=en
1b) The specific papers about Homo Naledi you seem to be concerned with were NOT published in a "pay to publish journal", they were published in "eLife", "a not-for-profit, peer-reviewed, open access, science publisher for the biomedical and life sciences... established [in] 2012 by the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, Max Planck Society, and [the] Wellcome Trust..."
2) "All of them had negative feedback stemming from one common complaint: not enough proof for his theories." - (a) No, they did NOT all have negative feedback, and (b) the papers were intended to be preliminary announcements, not proofs.
2a, 2b) Genevieve von Petzinger, a well-known Canadian paleoanthropologist specializing in cave art and meaning marks, reviewed the Berger group mark-making paper. She recently said:
"I did review the pre-print on the mark-making paper... from last year. I was the only one who didn't trash [it] because I treated it... as a preliminary announcement... obviously there was no data yet: this was more like they were [saying] "Hey, we found some marks in this cave, and we think this is what we're seeing"... but I didn't feel like that paper was trying to be like the mic drop; I felt more like it was the opener of the conversation... This has been a process... the first art team got involved, you know, summer of 2023, and... we have been working at it and really trying to come at it in a... very systematic way to make sure that we are doing the science properly... that we are coming in as the rock art specialists and really trying to do right by the discipline... to make sure we are bringing really good data to the public... What came out before was preliminary... in collaboration with the Rising Star team we will be doing a paper in the future... once we have had a chance to sit down and analyze [the data]... back in the lab..."
See: th-cam.com/video/RhR2HfgFmPU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=61FhXS7dQtVNsMk2&t=2520
3) Your comments that "[Berger] went to Netflix for a deal. This tells you EVERYTHING about this man. He's in this for money, not the monumental discovery that was made" is absurd and scurrilous.
Berger is speaking to a world-wide public audience, most of whom are largely ignorant of the fantastic new finds in paleoanthropology and their importance. Besides being a first-class paleoanthropologist, he's a first-class advocate for the whole field of study, a first-class politician who's smart enough to build support for paleoanthropology by exciting public opinion, and a first-class salesman who knows how to sell further anthropological work to the funding organizations. Isn't all that what the field actually needs? And doesn't Berger himself walk the talk, on (and under) the ground?
And I find NO evidence Netflix paid Berger a dime on "Cave of Bones" - but even if they did, so what? "Scientist Makes Money on Discovery". Wow. How awful.
As far as "not being in it for the monumental discovery that was made" - yeah, right. The guy worked his whole life digging in the dirt for fossils because he was thinking to himself "Someday this will make me RICH, RICH, RICH!"
4) You say Berger's "theories about burial and art don't hold water" and that "the plethora of publishings made by scientists since this discovery proving there was no deliberate burial or art".
Plethora? What is a plethora? th-cam.com/video/-mTUmczVdik/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OU8Grh6eBQVAcLWR&t=19
Actually, I can only think of one paper:
"No Sedimentological Evidence for Deliberate Burial by Homo naledi: A Case Study Highlighting the Need for Best Practices in Geochemical Studies Within Archaeology and Paleoanthropology", see:
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/paleoanthropology.org/ojs/index.php/paleo/libraryFiles/downloadPublic/25
Is "one" a "plethora"?
This paper is not a final "proof" there was no deliberate burial (and it has nothing to say about art). It is one set of conclusions based on one approach to the data, nothing more. This issue will be studied by many teams for years. Eventually, a consensus will emerge.
As far as whether Berger's "theories about burial and art" hold water - maybe they will, maybe they won't. That's true of all sciences. Right now, in addition to his 160 Rising Star international team members, there are also independent teams of scientists from various disciplines working with Berger's data and samples in South Africa, which he shares freely. For the latest updates, see renowned archaeologist and researcher Dr. George Nash discussing his trips to Rising Star and Homo naledi at: th-cam.com/video/RhR2HfgFmPU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=61gYGl14slmdE6zj&t=2843
A final thought:
All this grousing about Berger just sounds like petty jealousy - and my guess is, it's going to blow back hard on all the critics as more work is done in the years to come. In any case, when you personally launch a scurrilous attack on someone - an attack that is "untrue, unfair, and defamatory" - you really ought to know what you're talking about.
yada yada..better the author bears some expense to publish, so that EVERYONE can access it for free. He does not have the luxury of waiting for 200 years for humans to draw the rather obvious conclusions from the finds. Just because the customs of the community demands that you wait and drag feet for some 200 yrs to accept what appears reasonably obvious, he is not going to forego the pleasure that he has earned. if any of you can identify evidence for the contrary, you will get your chance
the fossils were made accessible to researchers, he puts up printable scans of all the bones, his team has been put together transparently. all footage from inside the site is streamed. footage and photgraphs are made accessible. even a non-paleoanthropologist like me knows this. If you have any valid differences, you will be allowed to pursue your own theory... but to demand that he should not pursue his theory because it causes consternation to the rest of the community -that is not going to happen. those days are gone. when the geologist who understood the presence of plate tectonics needed to be supressed because it offended the prejudices of the science community, those archaeologists who saw that human migration into americas happened earlier than assumed who needed to be dismissed, and who missed the chance to experience the joy of their discoveries etc etc
On the large collection: burial? Disposal? Or geological movements? Water disbursal?
What is most likely? Least likely?
Good question.
As soon as you see an Indians Jones hat and a leather sport coat on an academic, the bs will soon follow.
ROFLOL but besides that - better pray to god that this is bs...
Lee Berger admire you and would love to hear how you lost weight
what has that got to do with the discoveries made in this cave?
@@ChristienGagnier It'd be better if they be talked about without the Indy hat.
if he fancies that hat, he is perfectly free to wear it. He does not owe anything to your accepted religious customs. keep praying in the church of orthodox science that it can be proved to be bs, then you can criticize his dress
this guy full of shit, Indiana jones hat and jacket lol