Ginny fate hit really hard, especially for me as a woman reader. Of course any gender can be the victim of sexual assault, man or woman. But with woman, we got warned and told horrific stories of woman victim. I felt bad for Kuma, but I terrified with the fate of Ginny. And her still have the courage to carry and love a child that come from a tragic experience. She is brave abd she will never be forgotten
we also have a natural instinct to protect us, so its on a level biological. When I got to the age of 13 and puberty was really hitting me how it effected me is out of no where a sudden fear of males. There is a reason why we as a whole throughout the world tend to be cautious, its not just socialization.
@@tulip5210its only natural to have some fear. Luckly this is also why we have natural insticts against it. Fear of dark, hesitancy with strangers. Even men have very primal reaction too protected against other men ussing force on woman.
This was the first chapter I genuinely had to mentally digest...Kuma has by far the most tragic Backstory and Ginny more and more turns out to be THE most tragic character in OP Story so far.
The way I read the scene of Bonney talking about Sky Islands and Kuma seemingly not knowing about them is how a parent with a young child pretends to be surprised when their child makes a discovery on their own, as it tends to foster their curiosity and desire to learn.
One of the things I noticed is a line Dragon said earlier in the story about not wanting to regret decisions made in the past and thinking about it, he was probably talking about Ginny - not going after her with everything they had at the time led to so much tragedy within their ranks. It makes me wonder if they even knew where Ginny was. Also, Fisher Tiger stormed Mariejois while Ginny was being held but she wasn't one of the ones who managed to escape from that, which is so sad to think about - the opportunity was there but she was probably either kept in a place they couldn't reach or pregnant and thus protected more than usual. :
But this isn’t possible. Because if revs knew about Ginny's location at least Kuma would have gone there without thinking anything. As we are seeing Kuma's memory and there was stated some mysterious people kidnapped Ginny. That means they didn’t know who it was. And as a Revolutionary there are many enemies they had to face. Like former kings that they overthrew, pirates, Marine and then World govt. So they can't even speculate who they were. It is not like their only enemy is world govt
It's definitely possible that Dragon is talking about Ginny when he says that he doesn't want to regret decisions made in the past. It's also possible that the Revolutionary Army didn't know where Ginny was being held when Fisher Tiger stormed Mariejois. It's a tragic thought that Ginny wasn't able to escape from Mariejois with the other slaves. It's possible that she was kept in a place that the Revolutionary Army couldn't reach, or that she was too pregnant to travel. It's also possible that she was simply unlucky. Whatever the reason, Ginny's continued imprisonment in Mariejois is a testament to the cruelty of the World Government. It's also a reminder of the high stakes involved in the fight for freedom. I'm curious to see if Oda will ever reveal what happened to Ginny. I'm also interested to see how Dragon's past will affect his future actions.
I think Fisher Tiger had rescued the slaves a year before her imprisonment. But it is still extremely sad to think if things went differently, maybe Ginny and Kuma could have re-united.
yup, Fisher Tiger rescued the slaves from Mary Geoise a year before Ginny was imprisoned. It is indeed a sad thought that Ginny and Kuma could have reunited if things had gone differently. Their story is a tragic reminder of the cost of war and oppression. It is also a reminder of the power of love and hope. Even in the darkest of times, there is always the possibility of a better future. I am grateful to Oda for telling this story. It is an important story that needs to be heard. I hope that it will inspire people to fight for a better world, where everyone is treated with dignity and respect. @@johnathanwhite4626
Bonnie, the girl who wasn't safe in the sunlight being saved by the literal Sun God is poetic, I think it's definitely happening in Egghead Island. Also, Saturn being Bonnie's biological dad is terrifying and dark, but definitely not off the table anymore, seeing how dark Kuma's backstory has gotten already.
OP Fans: Kuma seems like the strong, silent type. Wonder if you can give him a sad backstory, Oda? Oda: Okay. I'll see what I can do. OP Fans: Not like that, Oda! DEAR GOD, Not like that!
I actually absolutely fucking LOVE the theory about the Emerald City just being a regular city but filled with the bodies of the Scale disease. How absolutely horrifying that would be. If its true that this disease originates or mostly effects Celestial Dragons, then that might mean the City was either destroyed, or it was abandoned and cut off from the world some how. Maybe the remnants of the Emerald city are somewhere in the ocean. PERHAPS it may even be on the moon and its one of the reasons they originally came to the planet afterward.
I genuinely like the fact that they didn't even try to save Jinny. Rescue missions are a tired cliché in shonen series (thanks Bleach) and the main 2 problems are that: 1 they end up in success 99% of the time because it's the one thing you can't fail and 2 they usually disregard the logic behind theyr own series, taking the "i'd do anything for my friends" a bit too lightly. It makes sense that a relatively new Revolutionary Army didn't straight up declare war on the WG, i mean only in recent times Dragon was confident enough in theyr position to actually declare war, and when you combine 1 and 2 you will be breaking consistency in your worldbuilding. Also i genuinely wasn't sure if Oda choose a powerful but questionable style for some of the panels or if he was forced to release an incomplete chapter xD
Dragon plays the long game, even if it means sacrifices. his father and grandson plays the "ill do whatever the fuck i want" game, challenging the entire world or the new and very dangerous Yonko crew which includes a former admiral.
I agree with you lol. I think it was refreshing to see the Revolutionary Army not even try to save Jinny. It shows that they are a realistic organization that understands the risks involved in taking on the World Government. It's also interesting to see how Oda is handling the pacing of the story. He's taking his time to develop the characters and the world, and I think that's a good thing. It makes the story feel more grounded and believable. As for the art style, I think Oda was going for a more powerful and expressive look. He wanted to convey the emotional impact of the situation, and I think he succeeded. And, I think this chapter was a great example of how Oda is evolving as a writer and artist. He's not afraid to take risks and try new things, and I think that's what makes One Piece such a unique and special series.
It reminds me how white beard along with Luffy fail to save Ace from execution. At that time, I expected they could save Ace, and yeah they did. But well..
Looking back its's easy to see now why Kuma "saved" Perona (alone of all of Moria's minions) at Thriller Bark by asking her "if you could take a vacation, where would you go?". Another young pink-haired girl who loved a bear. Also would love to know how Bonney got the Age-Age fruit which if used correctly is one of the most broken devil fruits in all of OP (we've even seen how Bonney can use it to make alternate future/past versions of herself and the Straw Hats - which makes means millions of possibilities). Did Vegapunk give it to her? I doubt the Celestial Dragons did.
Something I think most of us missed while crying our eyes out. Is the change of the revolutionary Ary logo throughout the past 3 chapters. Also the fact that there was a time when dragon didn't have his face tattoo.
I've cried multiple times to One Piece but I've never felt... despair before... It reminded me of the Danganronpa 3 anime chapter with the torture, it ate at me for weeks and I felt genuinely depressed for a while... This chapter made me feel so much despair, I can't help but love it.
I remember Oda wasnt able to finish the chapter back when Rebecca reunited with her dad, because he wss crying too much. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same thing here. Although it could be due to health reasons, however if it's not health related, it's probably because he wss crying while writing this chapter. It was so heartbreaking to read, this is the first chapter to ever make me cry this much. I did cry during ohara and during Sanji's flashback, but dammit this chapter took it to another level There could many other reasons why he couldn't finish, but that's just my thought on it
I’ve said this a bunch of times today but I wonder if the straw hat is historically connected to sapphire scale since straw hats are used to shield you from sunlight. A giant straw hat could be used to shield a giant person or a bunch of normal people from the sun
That doesn't add up or make any sense when you think about it. Luffy wearing his straw hat to hide from the sun; the symbol of freedom and the thing he himself is a literal god representation of? Nah.
@@tobiaswedin dude im asking if there’s _any_ connection and what it might be. Im _not_ saying the straw hat somehow symbolizes that luffy is hiding from the sun. Not that simply anyway. We obviously don’t know about the history of the strawhat but we do know what strawhats are for so im _wondering_ if and how Oda will expand on that theme lol
You know a tragedy's hitting when the reader's immediate response is to stop reading and try to pick apart the motivations or come up with some happy ever after fan-fic. The flashback isn't even over and it's the most tragic backstory in One Piece: unlike every other backstory, Kuma makes decisions as an adult that shape the tragedy that befalls him. Kuma refusing Ginny's proposal appears to be the same self-sacrificial drive motivating his actions prior, but is fundamentally different: while the previous actions were acts of love, denying Ginny is a denial of love, motivated by feat, it is Kuma succumbing to his tragic flaw. The subtext of the reprieve panels of his family being taken from the beginning of the flashback was Kuma seeing his family with Ginny. Immediately. She says "lets get married" he sees her holding their child. "But..." the fear of repeating what happened to his family after his birth hardened his heart. In pushing her away he was sacrificing his family, not himself. He thought to hide her away somewhere safe, which obviously wasn't going to happen, highlighted in her immediately signing up with the Revolutionary Army, because of course she would. And when his greatest fear comes to pass, the fear he sacrificed his family, *their* family for, it was far worse than he dared imagine: because he was not there to protect Ginny when she needed him, Ginny was enslaved alone and his daughter was a product of profound suffering instead of love. Cap it off with Ginny inverting and righting his disordered sacrifice, sacrificing herself for her family; so that Bonney could be raised in a loving home and her love in turn healing the wounds Kuma kept open, festering on his heart. And it's not even over (though it's focus seems to be transitioning from Kuma's backstory to Bonney's) Really messed up my afternoon.
I already knew Ginny was gonna die though, because she became a really likeable character and we also never seen her in the revolutionary army, so that tells me that Ginny isn't around anymore, but never expected her to go out like that 😔 I hope the celestial dragon who kidnapped her is still alive so we can see him get destroyed, slowly and painfully
The contrast between how Kuma acts kind and even cheerful in this flashback and everything else we have seen from him before, is just too much. Sacrificing your life is one thing, but sacrificing your humanity and live to suffer the way he did is something else.
This is the only time reading a One Piece chapter was genuinely upsetting. Now I genuinely need Kuma and Dragon to show up on Egghead to give Saturn a good slap.
After all the dark implications, after the death and tragedies, what got me crying was Kuma still smiling with his daughter, and those moments of happiness in the hell that’s been his life were so much more powerful to me, I just want them to be together and happy after the story ends.
I believe Bonnie was really young from the time I saw her eat so much food... Teenage and older women don't eat like that and get out round in one piece
My thinking on the saphire-desease was that the CD infected Jinny with the desease to control her. She was forced to stay inside and by that he basically prevented her to run away, or on the other hand if she tried to run away at least she would have died and therefore couldn't be with someone else. Win - win for the CD. The Desease would kill her anyway, but by that time the CD would have been bored by her anyway. I can even imagine that we are going to see some kind of gallery of wifes that have been totally crystalized.
I believe Luffy will be rescuing Bonnie and Kuma. I think this makes Kuma way more relatable. I am sure that curing Bonnie is why he became a cyborg. I am sure that the manuscript drawings is intentional.
I agree with you that Luffy will be rescuing Bonnie and Kuma. It makes sense from a story perspective, and it would be a great way to develop both characters. Kuma is a complex and tragic figure. He was once a kind and compassionate man, but he was forced to become a cyborg in order to protect his family. He has done many terrible things in his life, but he has also done many good things. Rescuing Bonnie would be a chance for Kuma to redeem himself and to show the world that he is still a good person. I also agree with you that the manuscript drawings are intentional. Oda is a master of foreshadowing, and he often uses small details to hint at future events. The fact that he has included manuscript drawings of Bonnie and Kuma suggests that he has something big planned for these characters.
I dont know if Kuma can be saved. He lost a portion of his face and his foot from Akainu. It really seems like hes close to deaths door. I think that Bonney and Kuma might get one last moment together and maybe even both witness Luffy being "Nika"......However, it really feels like Kuma isnt going to make it.
For all the One Piece readers-watchers who admit you've cryed (if not all) hold on tight: I can only imagine the impact of all this when it get's animated... I mean Oda sensei always conceives a dark story behind every arc where Luffy comes to ban out the Evil. And we end up in tiers for we know how much this all means to the victims involved! Where every punch that he delivers...boy oh boy...at that point we as fans are totally related and expect some sort of punishment for the villian!
Oh I forgot to add. They didn't have the info at that time. I am whilling to bet they did go after her. I see that Kuma was going balls to the wall which is why Ivanko was yelling at him. He was trying even if the others could not help him. I agree that the wreckleness would lead to find Ginny. Then, he is still that way when not with Bonnie in the panels. He is becoming the Tyrant inorder to give others his pain. Now reversed from him taking others pain.
It’s almost like it’s so hard for ODA to draw it that he couldn’t turn in a completed manuscript. I bet the back and forth on whether or not to go that dark was weighing on Oda and the editors
I watched a spoiler video earlier this week and the youtuber glossed over the r*** of Ginny, it’s such a hard topic to address and I’m always impressed how you are able to talk about difficult aspects of OP. I really looked forward to your review this week and I just wanted to tell you that I really appreciate you. Quick thought - do you think the disease is similar to STDs especially considering the lifestyle and choices that Celestial Dragons do?
I totally agree with you it’s crushing me. I’ve been watching all TH-camrs and your opinions on the chapter and a lot of people think it’s great and I think it’s pretty good too but man does it freaking hurt. I just hope that it’s really good for Bonnie at the end and I love you Joy girl you’re awesome so I hope you feel better.
For real tho bonney for strawhats 😂 I kinda liked her from the start of egghead, like her instant friendship with luffy was sweet . And now that we know what we know I really want her to be in our crew . Also "İf you could travel anywhere in the world, where would you want to go? " İn my headcanon, kuma saw nami, a young girl, and thought "where would she want to go " And thought about bonney wanting to go to sky island when she is 20 and decided yes, she would want to go to a sky island
You had a very wonderful and heartfelt commentary of the chapter and i subscribed. Apart from a handful, many One Piece manga commentators seems to be very hype driven and it's refreshing to see someone being touched by this story beyond what could lead to more clicks. Thank you
This feels very generational, to garp or Luffy, a possible suicide rescue mission would be a no-brainer. But dragons ability to not respond speaks to how a lot of characters around his age act in this universe.
17:20 I pretty sure that was literally just Kuma pretending to be shocked about it, like, have you never told your parents about anything you just learned and they act all surprised as if they didn't knew even tho it's literally something everyone knows about?
English is not even my second language, so sorry for my bad english... My theory is, sapphire scale has something to do with Boa devil fruit because she can turn people into stone. Maybe Saturn do some sick experiment with her devil fruit when she is a slave... And because of that, I think Saturn is Bonney biological father... Because Saturn is in God valley when God valley incident is happening, I think when Ginny got captured he want her to be punish because she is the slave that in God valley. My next theory is about how Bonney survive, I think Kuma bring Bonney to Vegapunk to get treated but it's to late for him to save her, and that's how Bonney fruit come from, WG gift Bonney the fruit so she can de aged herself to get treated but in retun Kuma become warlord and pacifista for WG. Edit: I just realise what if the reason Ginny not get rescued by Revolution army is because She is Saturn Bride? Attacking Marajois is suidical enough, but attacking marajois and gorosei?! And with their power 15 years ago? Yeah that's absolutley impossible task... And I think that's why Dragon cannot save her... He is smarter than Luffy or Garp. Luffy & Garp is the type that action first, think latter. While Dragon is the opposite type.
Imagine how galling that situation was for Ginny. You're a revolutionary commander, tasked with liberating the world from tyranny, but your thoughts are on the man you love, only for one of those monsters to kidnap you, forcibly marry you, and r*pe you - literally soiling all your ideals, hopes and dreams, and discard you when he's done with you - along with the child he's sired. It only makes me respect Kuma even more: He could've blamed Bonney for Ginny's death, or treated her like she symbolised a mockery of her, but he chose to honour his lover's final wish, saw a child in need and took her as her own. I think Oda is really hammering in that it's not who you were born to: it's your choices that make you who you are.
5:12 you also have to take into consideration the fact that one year before ginnys capture fisher tiger broke out the slaves from MJ so the security would be updated and on high alert. Regardless, the RA was still in its infancy and last chapter dragon said he needed resources and manpower
Theoretically this opens up the possibility for some Boa bastards to be around. Wouldn't be that surprised, if 16 is old enough for Celestial Dragons. Or 15. Or 13. Might not legally speaking be even bastards.
What if Bonney is genetically modified. To remove the disease Vegapunk had to remove the infected blood(CD blood) and to enable for Bonney to survive Vegapunk needed someone who is sturdy and thus Vegapunk needed a Buccaneer which is Kuma.
i dont know why no one see akaino's reaction to be simple as she is a daughter of a celestial dragon , even Satern called her little girl and not insect.
i didnt see the note Oda left about the sketchy art when I read through the chapter, I just thought it was very fitting when i noticed the rougher lines
Something I haven’t seen discussed is the parallel between Klap’s and Ginny’s deaths. Embracing the sun (god) proves fatal for both, and traumatizes Kuma in turn, yet he maintains a positive/celebratory relation with the very things that caused their deaths - the Nika dance and the sapphire scales. It’s hard to fathom what kind of mental strength/toll it takes to bear so much tragedy while remaining a light for others. In wondering what separates Kuma from being like Nika to being Nika, a significant factor seems to be how he never afforded himself the freedom he granted others. He not only took on others burdens as his own, but forsook his own dream/happiness. To put another way, when fear of retribution overshadowed his hopes for the future, he became a pillar that took darkness from others without bringing light to them. The kind face that once eased others slowly transformed into an emotionless void that instilled fear. Without a doubt, Kuma is One Piece’s greatest martyr who paved the path for Nika’s return. The selfless hero who Luffy would love, as we all do now, but would never wish to be.
My thoughts & opinions of the chapter: 1. When seeing what happened to Ginny & how Bonney was born, I now wonder if the next chapter will be the last one of Kuma's flashback, which may lead to how he met Vegapunk & why he allowed him to be the mindless weapon we know him today! 2. When seeing the World Nobles do something like that to Ginny, we definitely need Dragon and/or Kuma to come to Egghead & vanquish Saturn for good! 3. I don't mind whether or not Kuma is Bonney's real father. But I do wonder if Bonney will truly be spared from the same fate the Celestial Dragons will eventually receive.
Good points. My thoughts on the RA now being able to gun for Ginny goes into a few things. They were only able to go into the World Nobels area because of the meeting providing distraction. Adding to this they sent in a powerhouse of humans to even recon for Kuma, which turned into a rescue when they spotted him. So it leads me to believe that it's just too much of battle where they trade a bulk of the army for one person, So it comes into a Star Trek "needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few or the one." I think Kuma fights so hard in the chapter to end the battle as soon as possible. Then he can get to Ginny sooner. Just subscribed, loved that this popped up in my feed.
It's fitting that Brook was used to break fourth wall and apologize for not having full chapters for the Kuma flashback. His flashback story is the longest and one of the most tragic before Kuma's was told. It takes place over the course of 50+ years, not counting the 38 that he was alive and his death at the hands of poison weapons. Hearing your friends dying all around you, knowing you will never reach home, and then coming back to life as a skeleton and living alone on a "floating coffin ship"... I can't think of much lonelier or generally worser fates than that.
The disease reminds me of Kaido, blue in colour and scales, so i wonder if it is some kind of lineage factor enhancement that went terribly wrong. Judge and Queen's knowledge combined maybe invented by Saturn. Would tie into Vegapunk being disappointed at the pink colour of his artificial dragon fruit. It also reminds me of trolls with Elbaf coming up (hopefully) they are German/Norse mythological creatures that turn to stone in sunlight. Dressrosa also had 3 of them in the story, Trebol, Diamante and Pica. That arc also had a questionable relationship between an ex- celestial dragon and a innocent woman.
about the disease. could it really just be that its a vampire celestial? we already have yokai elder stars so would it really be crazy if a celestial that is closely tied to vampirism? like what if the originators of the world government are all monster descendants who came from somewhere else and basically took over the world? the void century was the monsters blocking out the sun and allowing them to run crazy and basically kill a huge segment of the original inhabitants of the one piece world. also as to why kuma is known as a tyrant. i'm thinking that the king ends up killing the old people and kuma is blamed for it. in his rage kuma kills the king and the story is changed to kuma killing the king and the people in order to be king.
I'm 1000% certain that the "experience gems" that fell out of Vegapunk's head are conected to Vegapunk's devil fruit and not Bonnie's. If the experience gems came from Bonnie using her power, then we would have seen them whenever Bonnie deaged people, but instead we've only seen them with Vegapunk. If Vegapunk's devil fruit works by producing experience gems to hold all his knowledge, then this would explain why his head keeps growing.
Oda gutted me with this chapter. I had to stop reading for a moment to compose myself because I was reading it at work. I don’t smoke but I needed a cigarette after reading Oda’s trauma dump. 💔❤️🩹 At this point I pray Kuma and Bonney see Nika together before he takes our precious Kumachi away.
As far as them not trying to save Ginny, I also understand that as they werent as strong then as they are now, and risking the entire revolution to save a single commander( no matter how beloved they are) is reckless. Heck Ivan and a few others spent years in Impel Down being tortured, and the revolutionaries didnt bother trying to rescue them.
The theory of Saturn being Bonney biological father does have some merit considering sapphire is associated with the planet Saturn. Which in a weirdly ironic way you would have Bonney fight her birth father in or to rescue who she views as her true father the battle of dads But on a more serious not it would make some sense Saturn seems to really hate kuma from the god valley flashback to ordering vegapunk to get rid of his memory use and making him a cyborg and slave I would not be surprised if it was Saturn that kidnapped Ginny and had Bonney get rid of her to hide the fact a gorosei had the sapphire disease.
At least we now know one way to defeat Saturn. If Kuma concentrates all the emotional pain he suffered during his life into a bubble and pushes it into Saturn he will scream for days and will be unable to fight.
You aren't wrong. Garp an Luffy both would have slid to the CD doorstep for Ginny if they were in Dragons position. No way this man is related to them lol
Great video. Just the only thing that is bothering me tho is people saying misleading things that "Bonney is 12". That's not really true. She would be 12 if she had no fruit, or just never uses it on herself. But throughout the majority of the story, we see her when she's an adult in her 20s. Having the age-age fruit literally ages her up physically AND mentally. So like when you mentioned who would "look after her" now, that's kinda not necessary because she isn't a child (unless she purposefully ages herself back down to one). She's in her 20s in every sense and she's fully capable of being on her own. That's how I imagine she even became a supernova in the first place. A 10 year old kid is not doing that, however aging herself to a 22 year old and getting a 100 mil bounty makes a lot more sense.
If the anime adapts this chapter to emulate the roughness of the art, I will be very impressed. It would be a fantastic creative decision that turns this instance of limitation into a massive W.
Saturn could be the father of Bonny. Blue Sapphire is associated with the Planet Saturn. The strange disease could be a by product of Saturn’s passive abilities to some extent.
With the revelation of the royal knights, the breaking out of Fisher tiger a few years before, it’s logical that the security tightened. The revolutionary army was most likely not in position to go into full blown war with the world government. Not to mention that yes, the RA went on a rescue mission to save Kuma, but it wasn’t attempted until the Reverie, when the security would be separated and easer for RA to intrude.
Oda pulled no punches with this one. Although there is one gripe: i get why dragon did not mount a mission to rescue Ginny as they were doomed to fail in the early states of the revolutionaries, Except for the fact that Kuma can teleport himself and others near instantly! Kuma could honestly have poped across the holyland a couple times till he found her, Still a great tragic chapter but i feel Oda could have limeted Kumas powers in the past to make it add up a bit more
If that were the case, he wouldn't have to climb the Red Line right now in the story, he'd teleport directly to Pangea Castle. Maybe there's a height limit to where he can sendo people and himself.
yea its weird but maybe they just couldnt find out who took her or they didnt have the strength/member capacity to just attack mary goise... i wonder why bonny because a pirate instead of joining the revos.
I don’t think they had enough intel about Ginny. Because even if we assume the revs didn’t take any moves Kuma would have done anything do get her back. And Dragon's speech about Bonny's illness shows us how he cares about his people. So the only conclusion is they couldn’t find her trace
I swear to god, if after going through all this (and more to come in the flash back that is not revealed yet), And kuma of the present day still NOT having a proper ending to finally have some happiness, I'm gonna lose my mind. The reason them not even trying to rescue her probably because they know they will get all of them killed at that time when they're not strong enough. But man, I think that incident really punching them in the guts real hard, and along side with kuma the rest of them is not really gonna just sit there hihi haha laugh it off from that incident. WHICH, lead to the present days, that they refuse to let any of their comrade behind and literally go after the government base and rescue kuma, it's probably because of ginny incident that they're now like this.
Also wonder if the sapphire scale and boa’s fruit are connected. And can’t help but remember the cover story of chapter 668 where Ace and Whitebeards clothes have turned to stone
9:15 that doesn't make sense kuma spent all that time with bonney who also had it and didnt get it himself. its probably not contagious. if anything ginny was probably purposefully given the disease (Before or when she was pregnant with bonney). We've already seen them force feed children devil fruits for fun. so it doesn't seem that unlikely
What has me intrigued is when they say Jinny has come back to earth. I understand most think it is just down from Mariejoi and they are probably right But hear me out. what if it is back to earth from the Moon and that's where Jinny contracted the disease and why its so rare and why the celestial dragons wear the space suits. I may be way off but that's where my head went.
You’re a lady so be as emotional as you want. I have seen other OP tubers, big ones that you should be familiar with very well and this chapter has made them very emotional. So all the more reasons for you to pour your heart out. Shit I may just shed a tear reading this shit.
what are the chances that Kuma never was tough properly how to read during his upbringing as a slave and he keeps the book more as a memento of the sun god and his journeys but does actually know what's in the book. He seemed very confused about the sky islands existing when Bonney mentions it in the book even though he has had it most of his life.
Kuma's flashback is gonna be up there with Robin and Law But Kuma as a character is gonna be one of the best. When the flashback ends, Kuma is gonna be included in the popularity poll of best character
Wasnt Boa Hancock's story just as dark? Also. Thry need to go into just HOW ginny got captured with all her comrades around. Like did she go willingly? Also think that she eventually contracted Stockholm because she knew that shed probably never see the outside world again so she probably made herself acceot her fate and maybe actually "fall in love." But when she was cast out she regained her hope in the end. Curious to wonder whybthe celestial dragon didnt just kill her instead of kicking her out.
Kuma is my fav character the way he handles everything despite what he's been through...seriously celestial dragons needs to be wiped out there shouldn't be redemption for them I'm not on board with that!
Who has the saddest backstory in One Piece?
Garp
Robin
Kuma
In one piece? Probably in all fiction. I have a habit of putting my shoes in people shoes did it with kuma and holaayyyyy…….
Buggy
Respect to Oda for having the bravery to tackle these dark subjects in his story
i see what you did there.
As a father to a child that isn’t mine biologically but I’ve raised since birth (I’ve known) this hit home incredibly hard kuma is truly a saint
Hug your kid as much as you can
Ginny fate hit really hard, especially for me as a woman reader. Of course any gender can be the victim of sexual assault, man or woman. But with woman, we got warned and told horrific stories of woman victim.
I felt bad for Kuma, but I terrified with the fate of Ginny. And her still have the courage to carry and love a child that come from a tragic experience. She is brave abd she will never be forgotten
we also have a natural instinct to protect us, so its on a level biological. When I got to the age of 13 and puberty was really hitting me how it effected me is out of no where a sudden fear of males. There is a reason why we as a whole throughout the world tend to be cautious, its not just socialization.
@@tulip5210its only natural to have some fear. Luckly this is also why we have natural insticts against it. Fear of dark, hesitancy with strangers. Even men have very primal reaction too protected against other men ussing force on woman.
This was the first chapter I genuinely had to mentally digest...Kuma has by far the most tragic Backstory and Ginny more and more turns out to be THE most tragic character in OP Story so far.
This is the first chapter for which I had to digest the spoilers and hesitated to read at all...
Yeah, same with that chapter when Big Mom ate the orphans ☠️
The way I read the scene of Bonney talking about Sky Islands and Kuma seemingly not knowing about them is how a parent with a young child pretends to be surprised when their child makes a discovery on their own, as it tends to foster their curiosity and desire to learn.
One of the things I noticed is a line Dragon said earlier in the story about not wanting to regret decisions made in the past and thinking about it, he was probably talking about Ginny - not going after her with everything they had at the time led to so much tragedy within their ranks. It makes me wonder if they even knew where Ginny was. Also, Fisher Tiger stormed Mariejois while Ginny was being held but she wasn't one of the ones who managed to escape from that, which is so sad to think about - the opportunity was there but she was probably either kept in a place they couldn't reach or pregnant and thus protected more than usual. :
But this isn’t possible. Because if revs knew about Ginny's location at least Kuma would have gone there without thinking anything. As we are seeing Kuma's memory and there was stated some mysterious people kidnapped Ginny. That means they didn’t know who it was. And as a Revolutionary there are many enemies they had to face. Like former kings that they overthrew, pirates, Marine and then World govt. So they can't even speculate who they were. It is not like their only enemy is world govt
It's definitely possible that Dragon is talking about Ginny when he says that he doesn't want to regret decisions made in the past. It's also possible that the Revolutionary Army didn't know where Ginny was being held when Fisher Tiger stormed Mariejois.
It's a tragic thought that Ginny wasn't able to escape from Mariejois with the other slaves. It's possible that she was kept in a place that the Revolutionary Army couldn't reach, or that she was too pregnant to travel. It's also possible that she was simply unlucky.
Whatever the reason, Ginny's continued imprisonment in Mariejois is a testament to the cruelty of the World Government. It's also a reminder of the high stakes involved in the fight for freedom.
I'm curious to see if Oda will ever reveal what happened to Ginny. I'm also interested to see how Dragon's past will affect his future actions.
I think Fisher Tiger had rescued the slaves a year before her imprisonment. But it is still extremely sad to think if things went differently, maybe Ginny and Kuma could have re-united.
yup, Fisher Tiger rescued the slaves from Mary Geoise a year before Ginny was imprisoned. It is indeed a sad thought that Ginny and Kuma could have reunited if things had gone differently.
Their story is a tragic reminder of the cost of war and oppression. It is also a reminder of the power of love and hope. Even in the darkest of times, there is always the possibility of a better future.
I am grateful to Oda for telling this story. It is an important story that needs to be heard. I hope that it will inspire people to fight for a better world, where everyone is treated with dignity and respect.
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TOTALLY agree that the manuscript panels add to the dark and desperate tone of Kuma’s backstory, I actually loved it
Bonnie, the girl who wasn't safe in the sunlight being saved by the literal Sun God is poetic, I think it's definitely happening in Egghead Island.
Also, Saturn being Bonnie's biological dad is terrifying and dark, but definitely not off the table anymore, seeing how dark Kuma's backstory has gotten already.
Yooooooo goat comment
I love this
Some youtubers are already trying to connect Saturn with Bonnie because of her disease. Sapphire being connected with Saturn
I doubt it's Saturn. It's most likely Charloss' dad.
A child born of sin. Kept from evil by her fathers believe and saved by god of freedom.
Oda is a little too good at this.
OP Fans: Kuma seems like the strong, silent type. Wonder if you can give him a sad backstory, Oda?
Oda: Okay. I'll see what I can do.
OP Fans: Not like that, Oda! DEAR GOD, Not like that!
Wars and slavery are always terrifying. Oda just shows a little bit about it and we can see how scary those can be.
I actually absolutely fucking LOVE the theory about the Emerald City just being a regular city but filled with the bodies of the Scale disease. How absolutely horrifying that would be. If its true that this disease originates or mostly effects Celestial Dragons, then that might mean the City was either destroyed, or it was abandoned and cut off from the world some how. Maybe the remnants of the Emerald city are somewhere in the ocean. PERHAPS it may even be on the moon and its one of the reasons they originally came to the planet afterward.
I genuinely like the fact that they didn't even try to save Jinny.
Rescue missions are a tired cliché in shonen series (thanks Bleach) and the main 2 problems are that: 1 they end up in success 99% of the time because it's the one thing you can't fail and 2 they usually disregard the logic behind theyr own series, taking the "i'd do anything for my friends" a bit too lightly.
It makes sense that a relatively new Revolutionary Army didn't straight up declare war on the WG, i mean only in recent times Dragon was confident enough in theyr position to actually declare war, and when you combine 1 and 2 you will be breaking consistency in your worldbuilding.
Also i genuinely wasn't sure if Oda choose a powerful but questionable style for some of the panels or if he was forced to release an incomplete chapter xD
Pretty sure it's incomplete.
Dragon plays the long game, even if it means sacrifices. his father and grandson plays the "ill do whatever the fuck i want" game, challenging the entire world or the new and very dangerous Yonko crew which includes a former admiral.
I agree with you lol. I think it was refreshing to see the Revolutionary Army not even try to save Jinny. It shows that they are a realistic organization that understands the risks involved in taking on the World Government.
It's also interesting to see how Oda is handling the pacing of the story. He's taking his time to develop the characters and the world, and I think that's a good thing. It makes the story feel more grounded and believable.
As for the art style, I think Oda was going for a more powerful and expressive look. He wanted to convey the emotional impact of the situation, and I think he succeeded.
And, I think this chapter was a great example of how Oda is evolving as a writer and artist. He's not afraid to take risks and try new things, and I think that's what makes One Piece such a unique and special series.
It reminds me how white beard along with Luffy fail to save Ace from execution. At that time, I expected they could save Ace, and yeah they did. But well..
Looking back its's easy to see now why Kuma "saved" Perona (alone of all of Moria's minions) at Thriller Bark by asking her "if you could take a vacation, where would you go?". Another young pink-haired girl who loved a bear. Also would love to know how Bonney got the Age-Age fruit which if used correctly is one of the most broken devil fruits in all of OP (we've even seen how Bonney can use it to make alternate future/past versions of herself and the Straw Hats - which makes means millions of possibilities). Did Vegapunk give it to her? I doubt the Celestial Dragons did.
Something I think most of us missed while crying our eyes out. Is the change of the revolutionary Ary logo throughout the past 3 chapters. Also the fact that there was a time when dragon didn't have his face tattoo.
I've cried multiple times to One Piece but I've never felt... despair before... It reminded me of the Danganronpa 3 anime chapter with the torture, it ate at me for weeks and I felt genuinely depressed for a while... This chapter made me feel so much despair, I can't help but love it.
I remember Oda wasnt able to finish the chapter back when Rebecca reunited with her dad, because he wss crying too much. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same thing here. Although it could be due to health reasons, however if it's not health related, it's probably because he wss crying while writing this chapter. It was so heartbreaking to read, this is the first chapter to ever make me cry this much. I did cry during ohara and during Sanji's flashback, but dammit this chapter took it to another level
There could many other reasons why he couldn't finish, but that's just my thought on it
I’ve said this a bunch of times today but I wonder if the straw hat is historically connected to sapphire scale since straw hats are used to shield you from sunlight. A giant straw hat could be used to shield a giant person or a bunch of normal people from the sun
That doesn't add up or make any sense when you think about it. Luffy wearing his straw hat to hide from the sun; the symbol of freedom and the thing he himself is a literal god representation of? Nah.
aren't they referring to the giant straw hat treasure? @@tobiaswedin
@@rinkusan978 Still doesn't fit with the core theme of one piece though, and what the sun actually symbolises.
@@tobiaswedin dude im asking if there’s _any_ connection and what it might be. Im _not_ saying the straw hat somehow symbolizes that luffy is hiding from the sun. Not that simply anyway. We obviously don’t know about the history of the strawhat but we do know what strawhats are for so im _wondering_ if and how Oda will expand on that theme lol
at this point i’m basically convinced that the only backstory that’ll be more tragic than kuma’s is the void century/joy boy flashback
You know a tragedy's hitting when the reader's immediate response is to stop reading and try to pick apart the motivations or come up with some happy ever after fan-fic. The flashback isn't even over and it's the most tragic backstory in One Piece: unlike every other backstory, Kuma makes decisions as an adult that shape the tragedy that befalls him.
Kuma refusing Ginny's proposal appears to be the same self-sacrificial drive motivating his actions prior, but is fundamentally different: while the previous actions were acts of love, denying Ginny is a denial of love, motivated by feat, it is Kuma succumbing to his tragic flaw.
The subtext of the reprieve panels of his family being taken from the beginning of the flashback was Kuma seeing his family with Ginny. Immediately. She says "lets get married" he sees her holding their child. "But..." the fear of repeating what happened to his family after his birth hardened his heart. In pushing her away he was sacrificing his family, not himself. He thought to hide her away somewhere safe, which obviously wasn't going to happen, highlighted in her immediately signing up with the Revolutionary Army, because of course she would. And when his greatest fear comes to pass, the fear he sacrificed his family, *their* family for, it was far worse than he dared imagine: because he was not there to protect Ginny when she needed him, Ginny was enslaved alone and his daughter was a product of profound suffering instead of love.
Cap it off with Ginny inverting and righting his disordered sacrifice, sacrificing herself for her family; so that Bonney could be raised in a loving home and her love in turn healing the wounds Kuma kept open, festering on his heart.
And it's not even over (though it's focus seems to be transitioning from Kuma's backstory to Bonney's)
Really messed up my afternoon.
The year before Ginny was kidnapped, Fisher Tiger attacked Marijois so they had probably amped up security by then
100 percent agree. I don't cry much, but this got me.
I already knew Ginny was gonna die though, because she became a really likeable character and we also never seen her in the revolutionary army, so that tells me that Ginny isn't around anymore, but never expected her to go out like that 😔
I hope the celestial dragon who kidnapped her is still alive so we can see him get destroyed, slowly and painfully
The contrast between how Kuma acts kind and even cheerful in this flashback and everything else we have seen from him before, is just too much. Sacrificing your life is one thing, but sacrificing your humanity and live to suffer the way he did is something else.
This is the only time reading a One Piece chapter was genuinely upsetting.
Now I genuinely need Kuma and Dragon to show up on Egghead to give Saturn a good slap.
After all the dark implications, after the death and tragedies, what got me crying was Kuma still smiling with his daughter, and those moments of happiness in the hell that’s been his life were so much more powerful to me, I just want them to be together and happy after the story ends.
I believe Bonnie was really young from the time I saw her eat so much food... Teenage and older women don't eat like that and get out round in one piece
My thinking on the saphire-desease was that the CD infected Jinny with the desease to control her.
She was forced to stay inside and by that he basically prevented her to run away,
or on the other hand if she tried to run away at least she would have died and therefore couldn't be with someone else.
Win - win for the CD.
The Desease would kill her anyway, but by that time the CD would have been bored by her anyway.
I can even imagine that we are going to see some kind of gallery of wifes that have been totally crystalized.
Makes sense
I believe Luffy will be rescuing Bonnie and Kuma.
I think this makes Kuma way more relatable. I am sure that curing Bonnie is why he became a cyborg.
I am sure that the manuscript drawings is intentional.
nah kuma will sacrifice himself
More like Kuma's gonna die saving the Straw-Hats. "Saving Nika". I wonder if Kuma's Devil Fruit will end up in the hands of the Straw-Hats???
I agree with you that Luffy will be rescuing Bonnie and Kuma. It makes sense from a story perspective, and it would be a great way to develop both characters.
Kuma is a complex and tragic figure. He was once a kind and compassionate man, but he was forced to become a cyborg in order to protect his family. He has done many terrible things in his life, but he has also done many good things. Rescuing Bonnie would be a chance for Kuma to redeem himself and to show the world that he is still a good person.
I also agree with you that the manuscript drawings are intentional. Oda is a master of foreshadowing, and he often uses small details to hint at future events. The fact that he has included manuscript drawings of Bonnie and Kuma suggests that he has something big planned for these characters.
I dont know if Kuma can be saved. He lost a portion of his face and his foot from Akainu. It really seems like hes close to deaths door. I think that Bonney and Kuma might get one last moment together and maybe even both witness Luffy being "Nika"......However, it really feels like Kuma isnt going to make it.
@@HerculesOfHate I 100% agree
For all the One Piece readers-watchers who admit you've cryed (if not all) hold on tight:
I can only imagine the impact of all this when it get's animated...
I mean Oda sensei always conceives a dark story behind every arc where Luffy comes to ban out the Evil.
And we end up in tiers for we know how much this all means to the victims involved!
Where every punch that he delivers...boy oh boy...at that point we as fans are totally related and expect some sort of punishment for the villian!
Oh I forgot to add. They didn't have the info at that time. I am whilling to bet they did go after her. I see that Kuma was going balls to the wall which is why Ivanko was yelling at him. He was trying even if the others could not help him. I agree that the wreckleness would lead to find Ginny. Then, he is still that way when not with Bonnie in the panels. He is becoming the Tyrant inorder to give others his pain. Now reversed from him taking others pain.
It’s almost like it’s so hard for ODA to draw it that he couldn’t turn in a completed manuscript. I bet the back and forth on whether or not to go that dark was weighing on Oda and the editors
I watched a spoiler video earlier this week and the youtuber glossed over the r*** of Ginny, it’s such a hard topic to address and I’m always impressed how you are able to talk about difficult aspects of OP. I really looked forward to your review this week and I just wanted to tell you that I really appreciate you.
Quick thought - do you think the disease is similar to STDs especially considering the lifestyle and choices that Celestial Dragons do?
Seriously most tragic bacstory. Poor poor ginny. Oda so sick for this and he didnt even have to say everything to us 😢😢
I totally agree with you it’s crushing me. I’ve been watching all TH-camrs and your opinions on the chapter and a lot of people think it’s great and I think it’s pretty good too but man does it freaking hurt. I just hope that it’s really good for Bonnie at the end and I love you Joy girl you’re awesome so I hope you feel better.
For real tho bonney for strawhats 😂 I kinda liked her from the start of egghead, like her instant friendship with luffy was sweet . And now that we know what we know I really want her to be in our crew .
Also
"İf you could travel anywhere in the world, where would you want to go? "
İn my headcanon, kuma saw nami, a young girl, and thought "where would she want to go " And thought about bonney wanting to go to sky island when she is 20 and decided yes, she would want to go to a sky island
Plus Perona who ACTUALLY LOOKS A BIT LIKE BONNEY.
You had a very wonderful and heartfelt commentary of the chapter and i subscribed. Apart from a handful, many One Piece manga commentators seems to be very hype driven and it's refreshing to see someone being touched by this story beyond what could lead to more clicks. Thank you
Remember Ivankov is actually Ginny's brother. Having Ivankov take care of her would also track.
This feels very generational, to garp or Luffy, a possible suicide rescue mission would be a no-brainer. But dragons ability to not respond speaks to how a lot of characters around his age act in this universe.
17:20 I pretty sure that was literally just Kuma pretending to be shocked about it, like, have you never told your parents about anything you just learned and they act all surprised as if they didn't knew even tho it's literally something everyone knows about?
Well we did have dragon say he would talk to all the doctors they know and by this point dragon do know Dr vegapunk as it is after the ohara incident
English is not even my second language, so sorry for my bad english...
My theory is, sapphire scale has something to do with Boa devil fruit because she can turn people into stone. Maybe Saturn do some sick experiment with her devil fruit when she is a slave... And because of that, I think Saturn is Bonney biological father... Because Saturn is in God valley when God valley incident is happening, I think when Ginny got captured he want her to be punish because she is the slave that in God valley.
My next theory is about how Bonney survive, I think Kuma bring Bonney to Vegapunk to get treated but it's to late for him to save her, and that's how Bonney fruit come from, WG gift Bonney the fruit so she can de aged herself to get treated but in retun Kuma become warlord and pacifista for WG.
Edit: I just realise what if the reason Ginny not get rescued by Revolution army is because She is Saturn Bride? Attacking Marajois is suidical enough, but attacking marajois and gorosei?! And with their power 15 years ago? Yeah that's absolutley impossible task... And I think that's why Dragon cannot save her... He is smarter than Luffy or Garp. Luffy & Garp is the type that action first, think latter. While Dragon is the opposite type.
Imagine how galling that situation was for Ginny. You're a revolutionary commander, tasked with liberating the world from tyranny, but your thoughts are on the man you love, only for one of those monsters to kidnap you, forcibly marry you, and r*pe you - literally soiling all your ideals, hopes and dreams, and discard you when he's done with you - along with the child he's sired. It only makes me respect Kuma even more: He could've blamed Bonney for Ginny's death, or treated her like she symbolised a mockery of her, but he chose to honour his lover's final wish, saw a child in need and took her as her own.
I think Oda is really hammering in that it's not who you were born to: it's your choices that make you who you are.
Bonnie: I want to be a pirate
Baby Sitters: A Pirate it is
5:12 you also have to take into consideration the fact that one year before ginnys capture fisher tiger broke out the slaves from MJ so the security would be updated and on high alert. Regardless, the RA was still in its infancy and last chapter dragon said he needed resources and manpower
Bonney getting to see Luffy as Nika, the sun god who frees the world and fulfills Kuma wish, is something I absolutely need.
Theoretically this opens up the possibility for some Boa bastards to be around.
Wouldn't be that surprised, if 16 is old enough for Celestial Dragons. Or 15. Or 13.
Might not legally speaking be even bastards.
Saphire scale absolutely reminds me of Eragon and his Dragon Saphira.
This is your best chapter review JG, thanks
What if Bonney is genetically modified. To remove the disease Vegapunk had to remove the infected blood(CD blood) and to enable for Bonney to survive Vegapunk needed someone who is sturdy and thus Vegapunk needed a Buccaneer which is Kuma.
i dont know why no one see akaino's reaction to be simple as she is a daughter of a celestial dragon , even Satern called her little girl and not insect.
When I got to that part in the chapter, my first thought was your previous video. Almost couldn't believe it.
17:30 I think Kuma was well aware of the sky islands, he was just encouraging Bonnie
i didnt see the note Oda left about the sketchy art when I read through the chapter, I just thought it was very fitting when i noticed the rougher lines
Something I haven’t seen discussed is the parallel between Klap’s and Ginny’s deaths.
Embracing the sun (god) proves fatal for both, and traumatizes Kuma in turn, yet he maintains a positive/celebratory relation with the very things that caused their deaths - the Nika dance and the sapphire scales. It’s hard to fathom what kind of mental strength/toll it takes to bear so much tragedy while remaining a light for others.
In wondering what separates Kuma from being like Nika to being Nika, a significant factor seems to be how he never afforded himself the freedom he granted others. He not only took on others burdens as his own, but forsook his own dream/happiness. To put another way, when fear of retribution overshadowed his hopes for the future, he became a pillar that took darkness from others without bringing light to them. The kind face that once eased others slowly transformed into an emotionless void that instilled fear.
Without a doubt, Kuma is One Piece’s greatest martyr who paved the path for Nika’s return. The selfless hero who Luffy would love, as we all do now, but would never wish to be.
Her age does explain the specific way she reacts whenever she sees the pacifistas
Daddy Kuma giving her the name Jewelry literally finished me.
First creator talking about this chapter not to shy away from the R word. Props for tackling such a difficult and heartbreaking topic head on.
My thoughts & opinions of the chapter:
1. When seeing what happened to Ginny & how Bonney was born, I now wonder if the next chapter will be the last one of Kuma's flashback, which may lead to how he met Vegapunk & why he allowed him to be the mindless weapon we know him today!
2. When seeing the World Nobles do something like that to Ginny, we definitely need Dragon and/or Kuma to come to Egghead & vanquish Saturn for good!
3. I don't mind whether or not Kuma is Bonney's real father. But I do wonder if Bonney will truly be spared from the same fate the Celestial Dragons will eventually receive.
Good points. My thoughts on the RA now being able to gun for Ginny goes into a few things.
They were only able to go into the World Nobels area because of the meeting providing distraction. Adding to this they sent in a powerhouse of humans to even recon for Kuma, which turned into a rescue when they spotted him. So it leads me to believe that it's just too much of battle where they trade a bulk of the army for one person, So it comes into a Star Trek "needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few or the one."
I think Kuma fights so hard in the chapter to end the battle as soon as possible. Then he can get to Ginny sooner.
Just subscribed, loved that this popped up in my feed.
It's fitting that Brook was used to break fourth wall and apologize for not having full chapters for the Kuma flashback. His flashback story is the longest and one of the most tragic before Kuma's was told. It takes place over the course of 50+ years, not counting the 38 that he was alive and his death at the hands of poison weapons. Hearing your friends dying all around you, knowing you will never reach home, and then coming back to life as a skeleton and living alone on a "floating coffin ship"... I can't think of much lonelier or generally worser fates than that.
The disease reminds me of Kaido, blue in colour and scales, so i wonder if it is some kind of lineage factor enhancement that went terribly wrong. Judge and Queen's knowledge combined maybe invented by Saturn. Would tie into Vegapunk being disappointed at the pink colour of his artificial dragon fruit. It also reminds me of trolls with Elbaf coming up (hopefully) they are German/Norse mythological creatures that turn to stone in sunlight. Dressrosa also had 3 of them in the story, Trebol, Diamante and Pica. That arc also had a questionable relationship between an ex- celestial dragon and a innocent woman.
about the disease. could it really just be that its a vampire celestial? we already have yokai elder stars so would it really be crazy if a celestial that is closely tied to vampirism? like what if the originators of the world government are all monster descendants who came from somewhere else and basically took over the world? the void century was the monsters blocking out the sun and allowing them to run crazy and basically kill a huge segment of the original inhabitants of the one piece world. also as to why kuma is known as a tyrant. i'm thinking that the king ends up killing the old people and kuma is blamed for it. in his rage kuma kills the king and the story is changed to kuma killing the king and the people in order to be king.
I'm 1000% certain that the "experience gems" that fell out of Vegapunk's head are conected to Vegapunk's devil fruit and not Bonnie's. If the experience gems came from Bonnie using her power, then we would have seen them whenever Bonnie deaged people, but instead we've only seen them with Vegapunk. If Vegapunk's devil fruit works by producing experience gems to hold all his knowledge, then this would explain why his head keeps growing.
I cried reading this like man idk how Goda thinks of these backstories like how can they possibly keep getting sadder like wow
Oda gutted me with this chapter. I had to stop reading for a moment to compose myself because I was reading it at work.
I don’t smoke but I needed a cigarette after reading Oda’s trauma dump. 💔❤️🩹
At this point I pray Kuma and Bonney see Nika together before he takes our precious Kumachi away.
As far as them not trying to save Ginny, I also understand that as they werent as strong then as they are now, and risking the entire revolution to save a single commander( no matter how beloved they are) is reckless. Heck Ivan and a few others spent years in Impel Down being tortured, and the revolutionaries didnt bother trying to rescue them.
Joygirl out here wildin, every other one piece tuber avoiding the r word but she straight up saying it with that conquerors haki😂
People arent the same
The theory of Saturn being Bonney biological father does have some merit considering sapphire is associated with the planet Saturn.
Which in a weirdly ironic way you would have Bonney fight her birth father in or to rescue who she views as her true father the battle of dads
But on a more serious not it would make some sense Saturn seems to really hate kuma from the god valley flashback to ordering vegapunk to get rid of his memory use and making him a cyborg and slave I would not be surprised if it was Saturn that kidnapped Ginny and had Bonney get rid of her to hide the fact a gorosei had the sapphire disease.
At least we now know one way to defeat Saturn. If Kuma concentrates all the emotional pain he suffered during his life into a bubble and pushes it into Saturn he will scream for days and will be unable to fight.
You aren't wrong. Garp an Luffy both would have slid to the CD doorstep for Ginny if they were in Dragons position. No way this man is related to them lol
Great video. Just the only thing that is bothering me tho is people saying misleading things that "Bonney is 12". That's not really true. She would be 12 if she had no fruit, or just never uses it on herself. But throughout the majority of the story, we see her when she's an adult in her 20s. Having the age-age fruit literally ages her up physically AND mentally. So like when you mentioned who would "look after her" now, that's kinda not necessary because she isn't a child (unless she purposefully ages herself back down to one). She's in her 20s in every sense and she's fully capable of being on her own. That's how I imagine she even became a supernova in the first place. A 10 year old kid is not doing that, however aging herself to a 22 year old and getting a 100 mil bounty makes a lot more sense.
Considering that Ivancov called Ginny his sister he might be Bonny's unkle. One more connection next to Luffy and Robin to the Revolutionaly Armee.
If the anime adapts this chapter to emulate the roughness of the art, I will be very impressed. It would be a fantastic creative decision that turns this instance of limitation into a massive W.
Saturn could be the father of Bonny. Blue Sapphire is associated with the Planet Saturn. The strange disease could be a by product of Saturn’s passive abilities to some extent.
Sapphire scale could be unfortunately an STD that Celestial Dragons have. Could explain why Bonnie develops it after child birth
With the revelation of the royal knights, the breaking out of Fisher tiger a few years before, it’s logical that the security tightened. The revolutionary army was most likely not in position to go into full blown war with the world government. Not to mention that yes, the RA went on a rescue mission to save Kuma, but it wasn’t attempted until the Reverie, when the security would be separated and easer for RA to intrude.
bonny for strawhats!!!!!! I never wanted a charcters to join them more, both her and kuma jumped wayyyy up my favorite list
Imo just ordered a cleansing and we have one right here in our world we live in happening at this moment.
Oda pulled no punches with this one.
Although there is one gripe: i get why dragon did not mount a mission to rescue Ginny as they were doomed to fail in the early states of the revolutionaries,
Except for the fact that Kuma can teleport himself and others near instantly! Kuma could honestly have poped across the holyland a couple times till he found her,
Still a great tragic chapter but i feel Oda could have limeted Kumas powers in the past to make it add up a bit more
If that were the case, he wouldn't have to climb the Red Line right now in the story, he'd teleport directly to Pangea Castle. Maybe there's a height limit to where he can sendo people and himself.
yea its weird but maybe they just couldnt find out who took her or they didnt have the strength/member capacity to just attack mary goise...
i wonder why bonny because a pirate instead of joining the revos.
When they went to save Kuma they sent their 4 best their top leaders which wasnt a part of the RA. They didnt have power .
Kuma is not a Step Father. Kuma is a Father who Stepped Up
I agreed, it was saddest and darkest until now .
I don’t think they had enough intel about Ginny. Because even if we assume the revs didn’t take any moves Kuma would have done anything do get her back. And Dragon's speech about Bonny's illness shows us how he cares about his people. So the only conclusion is they couldn’t find her trace
I swear to god, if after going through all this (and more to come in the flash back that is not revealed yet), And kuma of the present day still NOT having a proper ending to finally have some happiness, I'm gonna lose my mind.
The reason them not even trying to rescue her probably because they know they will get all of them killed at that time when they're not strong enough. But man, I think that incident really punching them in the guts real hard, and along side with kuma the rest of them is not really gonna just sit there hihi haha laugh it off from that incident. WHICH, lead to the present days, that they refuse to let any of their comrade behind and literally go after the government base and rescue kuma, it's probably because of ginny incident that they're now like this.
Also wonder if the sapphire scale and boa’s fruit are connected. And can’t help but remember the cover story of chapter 668 where Ace and Whitebeards clothes have turned to stone
9:15 that doesn't make sense kuma spent all that time with bonney who also had it and didnt get it himself. its probably not contagious. if anything ginny was probably purposefully given the disease (Before or when she was pregnant with bonney). We've already seen them force feed children devil fruits for fun. so it doesn't seem that unlikely
I fear that the disease Is STD as a Mark of the world nobles
What has me intrigued is when they say Jinny has come back to earth. I understand most think it is just down from Mariejoi and they are probably right But hear me out. what if it is back to earth from the Moon and that's where Jinny contracted the disease and why its so rare and why the celestial dragons wear the space suits. I may be way off but that's where my head went.
6:20 you saw what imu is capable of any infiltration done to take Ginny back were probably killed before they even knew what hit them
....06:33 you cant be the only one feeling this way???....I wanted to punch ODA...!!! YOH! The PTSD!!!
You’re a lady so be as emotional as you want. I have seen other OP tubers, big ones that you should be familiar with very well and this chapter has made them very emotional. So all the more reasons for you to pour your heart out. Shit I may just shed a tear reading this shit.
Surprised their giving oda the leash here. He's always had to soften up the darker parts of the story
what are the chances that Kuma never was tough properly how to read during his upbringing as a slave and he keeps the book more as a memento of the sun god and his journeys but does actually know what's in the book. He seemed very confused about the sky islands existing when Bonney mentions it in the book even though he has had it most of his life.
I wonder why her wanted poster was not "Alive" instead of "Dead or Alive"
Kuma's flashback is gonna be up there with Robin and Law
But Kuma as a character is gonna be one of the best. When the flashback ends, Kuma is gonna be included in the popularity poll of best character
I dont even know how to put that on the live Action if even gets made... 😢
Wasnt Boa Hancock's story just as dark? Also. Thry need to go into just HOW ginny got captured with all her comrades around. Like did she go willingly? Also think that she eventually contracted Stockholm because she knew that shed probably never see the outside world again so she probably made herself acceot her fate and maybe actually "fall in love." But when she was cast out she regained her hope in the end. Curious to wonder whybthe celestial dragon didnt just kill her instead of kicking her out.
Kuma is my fav character the way he handles everything despite what he's been through...seriously celestial dragons needs to be wiped out there shouldn't be redemption for them I'm not on board with that!