Given our limited experience there, wholeheartedly agree with your review/observations! We spent 10 days in CdO last September and REALLY enjoyed making that our home base to explore Lisbon. Every day we mapped a route to explore a new neighborhood and, not being "city" people, we really appreciated the "ahhh" calmness and familiarity when we returned in the late afternoon. We generally sought out dinner in CdO because it is a production to get elsewhere. By day 3 at the same coffee shop (just around the corner from the Pingo Doce) we were waved to sit down and our order brought to us without having to order. Definitely felt like "locals" very quickly! The real revelation for us was on the side streets there are no stop signs, just complete free for all at street crossings and yet no horns, no accidents, patient drivers. We were amazed!. Last note, did you try The Craft Corner for some beer?!
One can walk to Rato Metro station, it’s a 10 minute walk through a smaller street from this CdO neighborhood. Principle Real is near. Parking is terrible-good luck. 28 tram runs to it but it is crammed with tourists.
I give it a 4 as well. .5 point off for transportation and .5 off for the airplane noise. We really enjoyed living there. Miss all the variety of restaurants, grocery stores and the lively parks.
Thanks K&J for another video on Lisbon neighborhoods. We didn’t visit CdO on our last (and only) trip as we had limited time and were (essentially) bloody ignorant. This video provides a great overview since I haven’t see too many videos on the livability aspect-although this neighborhood is often mentioned. While many speak highly about this area, your video gives me a much better sense of what this neighborhood offers. It’s a shame about the flight path and limited accessibility by public transport you noted. Also appreciate Josh’s comment about those hills (!!!) when you leave this neighborhood. Think I’ll pass on the vegan Pastel de Nada but thanks for taking a hit for the team. 😄
😁 You're welcome and thank you, Maurice! We appreciate you watching and letting us know what you got out of the video. It seems like we hit our objectives for the video. The vegan pastel de nata wasn't bad. We're pretty sure that G would have liked it. - Josh & Kalie
I've lived in Lisbon for about 2 years now, and I'm right on the border with Campo de Ourique and Estrela. One thing that people should know when considering anywhere in Lisbon, is how small it really is. While it´s true that there isn´t a metro stop right inside of CdO, the Rato metro station is only a 10 minute walk, and walking from CdO to the center of Baixa Chiado is literally only 30 minutes. Before moving here, I obsessed over neighborhoods that in reality are only a 12 minute walk from eachother. It´s a very small city, and so easy to navigate compared to other major European cities.
Great description! We felt the same about this neighborhood when we checked it out last summer. I wouldn’t NOT live there but I think there are more exciting options for sure. Can’t wait to see all of the rest of the Lisbon neighborhoods you review!
It sounds like a great area to live. I may not go there on my 1st trip, but definitely on later trips to the area. I plan to have an e-bike for most of my visits, so the transport situation wouldn’t be a problem.
The airplane noise was a huge turnoff for us - we get some of it in Lapa, but it’s much worse in CdO where sometimes the planes are coming in real low as they approach the airport. Still, we walk up to the Mercado often and there’s plenty of great shops and food choices in the neighborhood. And it’s close to Amoreiras. Not a lot of green space, but it is close to Jardim da Estrela. My 2 cents….
great episode- I went to the big church in CdO and found that is were a queen is laid. The escaped to Brazil when Napoleon came into Portugal. The park is also fabulous. It was a calmer place to visit in Lisbon. I would like to live there and just might do so in a bit. I am just a couple of years away from retirement. I watch all of your programs and especially the neighborhood ones that you do so well. :)
Question for you guys. I've been watching so many of your videos, and I wanted to know when you were applying for the visa, did you pay for your place or did you sign a lease to start once you get there. Or did you pay those 2 plus months before you got here
We were able to start our lease pretty close to when we were going to be there but it was a different time back then. Apartments aren't staying on the market long. If you'd like a creative solution, email Kalie at info@expatseverywhere.com - Josh & Kalie
Walked over 200km for our first full month in Setubal, in bad footwear! - I now have plantar fasciitis. Seen quite a few other ex-pats with the same problem after they move to Portugal. Doing too much, too soon - is never good!
6:19 Hi Josh & Kalie, thanks for another great video. As someone who just recently started learning Portuguese, should I be at all discouraged that you say yours still "isn't great"? (Also, I wonder if a "language barrier" discussion could be a topic for a future video?)
Hi Louis, you're welcome. Thanks for watching. You shouldn't be discouraged. Everyone has their own journey with a language and expectations for that matter. Regarding a language barrier, we know enough that we don't feel like there is much of a language barrier and the amount of English that Portuguese people in general know is tremendous. - Josh & Kalie
I agree w Kalie. I used to like Campo du Ourique but not having the metro is a downside plus sharing Tram 28 with tourists is not really a fun experience…however, having said that they’re currently in construction with an underground metro line that connects to the suburb and Estrella. I like it there but can’t really see myself living in that area. After living in Lisbon, I’ve found nicer suburbs 😉
Hi guys! I was thinking about you and Cia recently and schools. When I moved to El Salvador my daughter was 11 months old. She attended a daycare, and within a couple of months she went from crying every day to speaking Spanish! I’d really like to hear your experience and that of others of different ages in integrating their children into the school system and language acquisition. Thanks!
There is a new project to build a metro station over there. A citizens movement was created because they are planning to put the stop at the park and that will destroy it for sure. They want a different place for the metro station.
I like Campo a lot! I like a residential neighborhood that’s a little more quiet yet features a Main Street you can walk to full of shops and eateries. The French expats like it too, and that’s saying something. BTW whatever happened to Lapa And Rua de Buenos Aires? Lol
Hi, J&K. Great video. When you say there’s no metro in this neighborhood, how long of a walk to the nearest station would you say it is? I hate buses and don’t mind a long walk, but not too long.
The closest station is Rato. 15 minutes or so, as it’s downhill. A good deal more if you’re going back to CdO, though: the climb is fairly steep. The metro is expanding to that neighbourhood, but it’s going to take some time.
@@paulogarciadesousa Obrigado, Paulo. This neighborhood seems perfect for me. I’m from NYC. I’ve walked 15 minutes to get to the subway thousands of times.
@@paulogarciadesousa I believe the subway will be there in a few years. The Campo de Ourique station will be in Jardim Teófilo Braga/Jardim da Parada, 31 m deep, with 3 entries. With this extension, the Linha Vermelha (Red Line) will end in Alcântara, instead of São Sebastião.
Bad transports, speacially after 9PM, but besides that it is a great area... At night the most Western edge should be avoided, West of Rua Sampaio Bruno, it connects to what was the main drug favela in Lisbon and despite everyone being relocated 15/20 years ago, there are still some dodgy activities going on and you can cross with the wrong people, but the heart of Campo de Ourique and Eastern part is great
Reasonable? Not really! Campo de Ourique is expensive due to a large influx of foreigners. A decent T1 will cost 1,500€. For 800€ to 1,000€ you’ ll find a dark basement studio or a 5th floor walkup with no elevator. Most rentals are not remodeled and lack appliances, circa the 1960’s. Prices in Lisbon have skyrocketed 50% in the last 10 years. A remodeled T1 at 400,000 and for a T2 and T3 expect to pay a half million. New condos sell even before they begin construction, mostly to French and British expats who pay the high prices that no local can afford. Prices were overinflated thanks to Golden Visas bought by Chinese and Russian foreigners who don’t even live in Portugal. The high demand and low supply of real estate has turned Lisbon into a gentrified city where the locals are getting displaced. Sound familiar? Think NY, LA, SF, Seattle, Boston and DC. Learn the language before you move or expect to always be treated as a tourist. You will not be part of their inner circle unless you are fluent in Portuguese.
Only 50% rise in 10 years and you blame tourists. That's nothing, in majority of places in Australia prices are up 100% in 5 years and ofcourse that is to do with supply chain issues like everywhere else. Very little to do with tourists
Is it really? We'll have to go check although Our Rich Life isn't their names and this video was filmed in April and we're just getting it put out now so.... 😉 - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere The levels are a bit low, on my mac, and also my airpods from my iphone I had to max out the volume to watch this episode. I have doubled checked my equipment and it doesnt seem to be an issue on other videos. All that to be said, if nobody else is experiencing it, then no stress, keep up the great work!
@@shanehoward3717 Thanks for responding. Our levels were okay. I've personally been experiencing problems with my Airpods so everything sounds low on them and I've stopped editing with them on. We usually edit with and without headphones to try to get a balance. We know we had some audio issues switching from different recording devices ie Rode micro (indoor) and wireless go (outdoor) so we weren't sure what you were referencing. Regarding taking a video down and re-uploading it...at this point, it's got to be a massive mistake or AV problem for us to do that because of the time that goes into the backend video optimization and the initial impressions that TH-cam puts out for us. Again, thanks for the input, we'll keep monitoring our audio. We know how important it is and we're still trying to get better at it. Truth be told, we're still trying to get better at all of it and the audio is the thing we feel like we're the worst at. - Josh
@@ExpatsEverywhere No stress, and you are right on the reupload at this point. Apologies if my comment came off the wrong way, I caught the video as soon as it was uploaded. You guys are going great, and your videos are a massive help to folks like myself who just moved our entire family from Kentucky to Lisbon. Keep doing the great stuff you both are doing!
The biggest challenge with CdO is that you are right in the flight path. Forget opening the window. The last two years weren’t too bad, because of the pandemic - but now that travel is picking up again, we’ll get to 2019 sound levels soon. And that’s just [really, really] painful.
My neighbourhood, I love it here.
Awesome. Thanks for sharing. - Josh & Kalie
Given our limited experience there, wholeheartedly agree with your review/observations! We spent 10 days in CdO last September and REALLY enjoyed making that our home base to explore Lisbon. Every day we mapped a route to explore a new neighborhood and, not being "city" people, we really appreciated the "ahhh" calmness and familiarity when we returned in the late afternoon. We generally sought out dinner in CdO because it is a production to get elsewhere. By day 3 at the same coffee shop (just around the corner from the Pingo Doce) we were waved to sit down and our order brought to us without having to order. Definitely felt like "locals" very quickly! The real revelation for us was on the side streets there are no stop signs, just complete free for all at street crossings and yet no horns, no accidents, patient drivers. We were amazed!. Last note, did you try The Craft Corner for some beer?!
Thanks for sharing your take, Kathy! We didn't get to make it to The Craft Corner. 😅 How was the selection? - Josh & Kalie
Love your channel ! very transparent and great content ! we will be following as we are on the fence about making the Leap!
One can walk to Rato Metro station, it’s a 10 minute walk through a smaller street from this CdO neighborhood. Principle Real is near. Parking is terrible-good luck. 28 tram runs to it but it is crammed with tourists.
I give it a 4 as well. .5 point off for transportation and .5 off for the airplane noise. We really enjoyed living there. Miss all the variety of restaurants, grocery stores and the lively parks.
Your old 'hood! We hope we did it justice. Thanks for checking out the video and sharing your take. - Josh & Kalie
Hi Josh & Kalie 👋
I've looked at homes in this area as well, it definitely is an amazing little neighborhood! Awesome and very informative guys! 🥳
Thanks for this wonderful video n thanks for sharing your review.
Our pleasure 😊 Thanks for watching as always. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere 🙂
Thanks for the details again guys. Good to know what logistics would be like. I appreciate your content!
Glad you like it, Mo. Thanks for the support. - Josh & Kalie
Thanks K&J for another video on Lisbon neighborhoods. We didn’t visit CdO on our last (and only) trip as we had limited time and were (essentially) bloody ignorant. This video provides a great overview since I haven’t see too many videos on the livability aspect-although this neighborhood is often mentioned. While many speak highly about this area, your video gives me a much better sense of what this neighborhood offers. It’s a shame about the flight path and limited accessibility by public transport you noted. Also appreciate Josh’s comment about those hills (!!!) when you leave this neighborhood. Think I’ll pass on the vegan Pastel de Nada but thanks for taking a hit for the team. 😄
😁 You're welcome and thank you, Maurice! We appreciate you watching and letting us know what you got out of the video. It seems like we hit our objectives for the video. The vegan pastel de nata wasn't bad. We're pretty sure that G would have liked it. - Josh & Kalie
I've lived in Lisbon for about 2 years now, and I'm right on the border with Campo de Ourique and Estrela. One thing that people should know when considering anywhere in Lisbon, is how small it really is. While it´s true that there isn´t a metro stop right inside of CdO, the Rato metro station is only a 10 minute walk, and walking from CdO to the center of Baixa Chiado is literally only 30 minutes. Before moving here, I obsessed over neighborhoods that in reality are only a 12 minute walk from eachother. It´s a very small city, and so easy to navigate compared to other major European cities.
Campo de Ourique is big enough to have several spots quite far from Rato, I dare you to walk from Prazeres to Rato in 10 mins, not even running, LOL
Great description! We felt the same about this neighborhood when we checked it out last summer. I wouldn’t NOT live there but I think there are more exciting options for sure. Can’t wait to see all of the rest of the Lisbon neighborhoods you review!
Thanks, Kait! We like the way you phrased it. 😊 - Josh & Kalie
It sounds like a great area to live. I may not go there on my 1st trip, but definitely on later trips to the area. I plan to have an e-bike for most of my visits, so the transport situation wouldn’t be a problem.
You should definitely check it out if you're scouting for a place to live. Enjoy that e-bike life! 😁 - Josh & Kalie
The airplane noise was a huge turnoff for us - we get some of it in Lapa, but it’s much worse in CdO where sometimes the planes are coming in real low as they approach the airport. Still, we walk up to the Mercado often and there’s plenty of great shops and food choices in the neighborhood. And it’s close to Amoreiras. Not a lot of green space, but it is close to Jardim da Estrela. My 2 cents….
Thanks for sharing your take! - Josh & Kalie
great episode- I went to the big church in CdO and found that is were a queen is laid. The escaped to Brazil when Napoleon came into Portugal. The park is also fabulous. It was a calmer place to visit in Lisbon. I would like to live there and just might do so in a bit. I am just a couple of years away from retirement. I watch all of your programs and especially the neighborhood ones that you do so well. :)
I think you’re referring to the capella ( chapel) in Estrella. Yes, the Capela in Estrela!
Thanks for watching, Marianne! We enjoyed reading your impressions of CdO. - Josh & Kalie
Question for you guys. I've been watching so many of your videos, and I wanted to know when you were applying for the visa, did you pay for your place or did you sign a lease to start once you get there. Or did you pay those 2 plus months before you got here
We were able to start our lease pretty close to when we were going to be there but it was a different time back then. Apartments aren't staying on the market long. If you'd like a creative solution, email Kalie at info@expatseverywhere.com - Josh & Kalie
Love this series! Hope you two will take a look at Arroios - especially the Estefânia part of the neighborhood.
Thanks, Jason. Unfortunately, Arroios didn't make the top 5 cut from the list we put together, it was just on the outside. - Josh & Kalie
Walked over 200km for our first full month in Setubal, in bad footwear! - I now have plantar fasciitis. Seen quite a few other ex-pats with the same problem after they move to Portugal. Doing too much, too soon - is never good!
I already have foot issues. I already know I’ll rent an e-bike. I’ll do a bike tour 1st.
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Get some real hiking or trail shoes with a foot bed for long walks in Lisbon. The cobblestone is uneven and can be slippery.
@@tatianaschoenfield9819 Cobbles everywhere in Portugal it seems. Luckily Setubal is much flatter than Lisbon
Great video!
Thanks! - Josh & Kalie
Love cdo !
Awesome! What do you love about it?! - Josh & Kalie
Appreciate your insights
Thank you, we hope it's helpful for you to get to know the neighborhoods of Lisbon better. 5 episodes total. 2 done, 3 more to edit. - Josh & Kalie
6:19 Hi Josh & Kalie, thanks for another great video. As someone who just recently started learning Portuguese, should I be at all discouraged that you say yours still "isn't great"? (Also, I wonder if a "language barrier" discussion could be a topic for a future video?)
Hi Louis, you're welcome. Thanks for watching. You shouldn't be discouraged. Everyone has their own journey with a language and expectations for that matter. Regarding a language barrier, we know enough that we don't feel like there is much of a language barrier and the amount of English that Portuguese people in general know is tremendous. - Josh & Kalie
Campo de Ourique actually has an international school fyi … right by the city square
I agree w Kalie. I used to like Campo du Ourique but not having the metro is a downside plus sharing Tram 28 with tourists is not really a fun experience…however, having said that they’re currently in construction with an underground metro line that connects to the suburb and Estrella. I like it there but can’t really see myself living in that area. After living in Lisbon, I’ve found nicer suburbs 😉
Thanks for sharing your personal take, Sophian! - Josh & Kalie
Check out Santos , roads of Santos-o-velho , Rua da esperança etc for me best one for expats
Hi guys! I was thinking about you and Cia recently and schools. When I moved to El Salvador my daughter was 11 months old. She attended a daycare, and within a couple of months she went from crying every day to speaking Spanish! I’d really like to hear your experience and that of others of different ages in integrating their children into the school system and language acquisition. Thanks!
Hi, we've enrolled Cia into a creche that starts in September. We'll update accordingly once we have some experience. - Josh & Kalie
There is a new project to build a metro station over there. A citizens movement was created because they are planning to put the stop at the park and that will destroy it for sure. They want a different place for the metro station.
I like Campo a lot! I like a residential neighborhood that’s a little more quiet yet features a Main Street you can walk to full of shops and eateries. The French expats like it too, and that’s saying something. BTW whatever happened to Lapa And Rua de Buenos Aires? Lol
Thanks for sharing, Patrick.
It's coming. 😁 - Josh & Kalie
Hi, J&K. Great video. When you say there’s no metro in this neighborhood, how long of a walk to the nearest station would you say it is? I hate buses and don’t mind a long walk, but not too long.
The closest station is Rato. 15 minutes or so, as it’s downhill. A good deal more if you’re going back to CdO, though: the climb is fairly steep.
The metro is expanding to that neighbourhood, but it’s going to take some time.
@@paulogarciadesousa Obrigado, Paulo. This neighborhood seems perfect for me. I’m from NYC. I’ve walked 15 minutes to get to the subway thousands of times.
@@paulogarciadesousa I believe the subway will be there in a few years. The Campo de Ourique station will be in Jardim Teófilo Braga/Jardim da Parada, 31 m deep, with 3 entries. With this extension, the Linha Vermelha (Red Line) will end in Alcântara, instead of São Sebastião.
Hi Howie, it looks like a few others beat us to the answer. 😁
Thanks for watching and writing. - Josh & Kalie
Thanks for replying for us, Paulo! We took yesterday off and are just getting to the comment section. - Josh & Kalie
Nice video 😊
Pastel de nata it's approved by Cia ❤️☺️
Who knew she liked vegan. 😁
Thanks, Ana. - Josh & Kalie
Bad transports, speacially after 9PM, but besides that it is a great area... At night the most Western edge should be avoided, West of Rua Sampaio Bruno, it connects to what was the main drug favela in Lisbon and despite everyone being relocated 15/20 years ago, there are still some dodgy activities going on and you can cross with the wrong people, but the heart of Campo de Ourique and Eastern part is great
I know people will disagree with me, but I loved the food at Campo de Ourique much more than at Time Out.
The metro will reach Campo de Ourique. They have started the expansion already.
That's right. - Josh & Kalie
Arent great school options? Redbridge is absolutely outstanding.
Reasonable? Not really! Campo de Ourique is expensive due to a large influx of foreigners. A decent T1 will cost 1,500€. For 800€ to 1,000€ you’ ll find a dark basement studio or a 5th floor walkup with no elevator. Most rentals are not remodeled and lack appliances, circa the 1960’s. Prices in Lisbon have skyrocketed 50% in the last 10 years. A remodeled T1 at 400,000 and for a T2 and T3 expect to pay a half million. New condos sell even before they begin construction, mostly to French and British expats who pay the high prices that no local can afford. Prices were overinflated thanks to Golden Visas bought by Chinese and Russian foreigners who don’t even live in Portugal. The high demand and low supply of real estate has turned Lisbon into a gentrified city where the locals are getting displaced. Sound familiar? Think NY, LA, SF, Seattle, Boston and DC. Learn the language before you move or expect to always be treated as a tourist. You will not be part of their inner circle unless you are fluent in Portuguese.
Only 50% rise in 10 years and you blame tourists. That's nothing, in majority of places in Australia prices are up 100% in 5 years and ofcourse that is to do with supply chain issues like everywhere else. Very little to do with tourists
bem feito! até a próxima!
This video is an exact copy of the youtubers "Our Rich Life" they did a few weeks ago
Is it really? We'll have to go check although Our Rich Life isn't their names and this video was filmed in April and we're just getting it put out now so.... 😉 - Josh & Kalie
would recommend the audio levels and reupload, just an FYI
Hi Shane, what was your issue with the audio levels? - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere The levels are a bit low, on my mac, and also my airpods from my iphone I had to max out the volume to watch this episode. I have doubled checked my equipment and it doesnt seem to be an issue on other videos. All that to be said, if nobody else is experiencing it, then no stress, keep up the great work!
@@shanehoward3717 Thanks for responding. Our levels were okay. I've personally been experiencing problems with my Airpods so everything sounds low on them and I've stopped editing with them on. We usually edit with and without headphones to try to get a balance. We know we had some audio issues switching from different recording devices ie Rode micro (indoor) and wireless go (outdoor) so we weren't sure what you were referencing. Regarding taking a video down and re-uploading it...at this point, it's got to be a massive mistake or AV problem for us to do that because of the time that goes into the backend video optimization and the initial impressions that TH-cam puts out for us. Again, thanks for the input, we'll keep monitoring our audio. We know how important it is and we're still trying to get better at it. Truth be told, we're still trying to get better at all of it and the audio is the thing we feel like we're the worst at. - Josh
@@ExpatsEverywhere No stress, and you are right on the reupload at this point. Apologies if my comment came off the wrong way, I caught the video as soon as it was uploaded. You guys are going great, and your videos are a massive help to folks like myself who just moved our entire family from Kentucky to Lisbon. Keep doing the great stuff you both are doing!
The biggest challenge with CdO is that you are right in the flight path. Forget opening the window.
The last two years weren’t too bad, because of the pandemic - but now that travel is picking up again, we’ll get to 2019 sound levels soon. And that’s just [really, really] painful.
Fair enough. That noise is pretty serious. - Josh & Kalie
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