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Scuba Diving Long hose vs Standard hose, VS Monday | Global Underwater Explorers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2024
- Dorota Czerny is back with a brand new edition of VS Monday, this time pitting the widespread standard hose VS the GUE configured long hose. Why should you dive in a long hose? Are there shortcomings with a standard hose? What are the benefits of each? What are the pros and cons of each? You'll need to tune in to find out. And how about which one Doro would pick? You'll have to wait for the end of the video.
Be sure to let us know in the comments section what you dive on and why!
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Jump to specific sections:
0:00 Intro
1:49 Overview of each regulator sets
3:38 Pros & Cons - Streamlining
6:18 GUE hoses - Standardisation
7:57 Standard Hose - Emergencies
12:57 Long Hose - Emergencies
17:57 Length/Arguments against Long hose
24:03 Comment below & Subscribe
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On screen: Dorota Czerny
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The long hose set-up makes total sense! Thanks for the breakdown on this. Good info.
Thank you for video. Lots of good information.
Thank you for the detailed content.
Hi Doro, Great video!
I have been trained in the traditional regulator configuration but I can see that the GUE 2m long hose setup makes complete sense.
Regardless of its set up, one should be diving with people familiar with its out of air emergency drills.
It’s good to know and experience the difference.
Looking forward to more of your videos👏👏👏
excellent presentation
At last a differentiated explanation for a controversial topic, and not just "that's what it is, take it or leave it"! I'm a dedicated Sidemount diver for any dive so it is not exactly my procedure, but for backmount it's definetly the only way to go! And also works fantastic in mixed teams.
If you're a sidemount diver, you are probably already using a long and a short hose on a necklace. That's one of the major advantages of the long hose configuration: It works on single backmount, twins, and sidemount.
@@bloodymarvelous4790 The procedures differ a bit of course, but it works fantastically :) and stays 2nd nature.
For the octopus, I reason that I pay to have it serviced so I might as well get some use from it. Practicing deploying it, breathing it and re-stowing it cements a useful skill. On twins similarly I regularly swap for practice. Sidemount guys of course have no choice! Firmly agree that the octopus is only going to be needed for real in an emergency when divers are going to be under stress so you want that reg to perform as well as, if not better than, your primary.
I use a 5 ft. hose in open water. I have the 7ft for my twin setup
Great video, would have been interesting to hear your thoughts on 40 inch hose under arm with a swivel, and 22 inch backup.
I am considering using that or either a 150cm long hose.
I am assuming your 22inch hose is attached to a necklace. Personally, I think the 40 inch hose would work for open water diving. It meets most of the criteria Dorota mentioned in her presentation. However, if you are going inside of caves or wrecks I would stick with the 7 foot hose for the reasons in the presentation.
I have been diving for 45 years. Part of that time I was an Instructor and worked in several dive shops over the years. I am not GUE certified. But, I think GUE has the best certification system. Over the years I have adopted most of the GUE configuration. Just my opinion.
Long hose? It's been a question in my head for some time. At the moment I dive with a regular regulator, with my primary OVER my right shoulder from my right hand 1st stage, & my "octopus" from my left 1st stage UNDER my right arm to my bungy easy release necklace. As I can not be sure of my buddies training on a holiday or live-aboard situation, whichever second stage is "taken" from me I still have air at hand, (Either my yellow necklace or still my primary, if I have given my octopus (or if it has been "taken"). All my routings are as "close in" as I can make them, & and the only real advantage that I can see with a long hose would be in a "narrow overhead environment" which is not on my wish list for the moment. Anyway thanks Dorata, I may not quite agree with every detail, but your explanations are always clear & well founded. "Live for today, for tomorrow you may DIVE".
He is a fan of the explanation style
I want to dive with the Atomic Aquatics SS1 (inflator/regulator) as my secondary for open water recreational diving. Would you recommend the long hose setup and also is a 1.5m hose adequate? I haven’t been able to see many practical videos about (inflator/regulator combos) so I’d appreciate your advice.
Man I can't wait for my fundies.
Great to see the vs Monday series is back. I was thinking what cons will there be to having a long hose, but like Doro said, whatever cons are thought to be perceived, as GUE divers we see them as pros. Great Video. 👌🏼
thanks, Ahmad :)
Excellent video! Side comment on the production; I found the music very distracting...
Hi Dorota, thanks for share this kind of information. Can you tell me the length and diameter of each GUE hoses configuration? Thank you in advance!!!!!
Hey there, well... the GUE configuration can be found in the GUE standards document (Appendix A) here: www.gue.com/standards, and unfortunately the lengths are a bit dependent on your height and types of first stages you will use. I would suggest contacting an instructor to get a detailed overview and adjustment, plus some training on how to actually use those :)
@@dorotaczerny7496 Thank you so much for your awnser!!!! Keep with this amazing channel. Saludos from Chile
Do you have a comparison on backmount vs sidemount? Or can you go over the subject?
hey hey, yeah... I think it will be time to compare those two, as so many of our YT viewers are asking for it.
Both sidemount and backmount are like wrenches, 1 being an adjustable and the latter is fixed. It's all up to which one to use for the job and which one do one prefer. Would both work well together? I believe they could.
Great informative and NOT boring video! BUT the REAL question is: What happened to Dorota's hair?? ;-)
hahaha... the hair was set free :)))))
Thank you,
As you ascend while donating gas,the out of air diver dumps some air out of the BC,then you reach your depth for the safety stop,
The out of air diver may have to orally inflate to reach neutral bouyancy,thus taking the regulator out,if there is no contact between donor and receiver, I would imagine,hold the reg with the right hand and inflate with the left hand.
how do you teach this procedure?
Hello there. Thanks for the question. You are right, and in theory during the ascend one should not be in need of adding gas while underwater as you will just dump gas from your BC. But, if you would overdo it and release too much gas, surely one would need to orally inflate and establish neutral buoyancy. We teach this skill during our Recreational Diver level 1. And as you mentioned it is operating the inflator with the left hand, and the primary reg with the right. With an attentive team, this is not really a huge issue, and with proper weighting, this should be as well easy to manage. There is a nice video of it on GUEtv (gue.tv/programs/buoyancy-basics) where one of the episodes deals with it.
@@dorotaczerny6811 thank you,makes sense,the link does not work though..
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@@DOHCG mhm.. you may need to subscribe to see some of those. There is a 3-day trial if you just want to check some of the videos out.
hey, Dorota, great video, and i like the GUE approach.
do you feel there might be a chance that the bolt snap could add an extra problem?
We like to think that we are always completely aware of our surroundings, but there's still the chance that an out of air happens when your buddy is in a blind spot, or you were just watching that awesome fish.
...so, we are thought to just grab it, if for some reason your buddy is unaware of your situation (and you're in dier need of breathing gas)
on a traditional setup, the octo hangs from a 'weak link' and the hose is pulled out of a pocket or a loop.
With this, the Out of Air diver either drag your against his face, while he's breathing, or unlock the boltsnap and strangle you. (because we can never truely know how our buddies will react under stress and panick
Buy the XDeep bolt snap.
@@scubaclient355 does it fail when you pull on whatever is attached?
Frederic - I am not sure if I understand the question. The long hose's bolt snap is there only for attaching the hose to the right chest D-ring when it is NOT used. When you breathe it is not attached anywhere, so the bolt snap is not an issue at all. And if you approach the diver from behind or pull it out of his mouth, the bolt snap is not an issue at all (the donor is just ducking the head down to let the long hose from behind his head). Did it answer your question?
@@mysteryliner Your question needs to be more specific.
@@dorotaczerny7496 He may of been referring to a sidemount rig. When the diver uses the left cylinder.
Your argument that a standard setup is likely to use a lower-quality or poorly cared-for regulator as the safe second is ludicrous. Would you say that a long-hose setup is likely to use a lower-quality or poorly cared-for regulator on the lanyard and thus should not be used? In either case, one is equally likely to use a poor-quality secondary or to use a high-quality secondary.
4:14 who has their back up like that... been on 3 sets of BCDs never had it that loose, last one had elastic
I am a starting diver, and I am starting to think that there are a lot of ego’s to be patted, And warm water is reinvented again and again and again.....Tell me please if I am wrong but as far as I found out now Long hose, DIR, GUE,...... Same meal, other cook. just some other seasoning.
hey there, well.... the configuration has originated among exploration cave divers in Florida over 25 years ago, and there is nothing that we are reinventing now, as we (GUE) were using this configuration from its start in 1998. We did call it then a "DIR" configuration, but we started to go away from that name, as so many things were becoming DIR that it was no longer representing what GUE stands for in regards to equipment configuration, thus we decided to call it GUE configuration. What I am talking here about in GUE configuration.
Hi when I had just 5 dives after my OWD certification my buddy got a free flow and got out of gas. We did a octopus ascent. But it is really complicated to handle ascent speed doing so and a safety stop in open water is gonna be near impossible. We did something like 40 meter per minute ascent rate and nearly got into deco as a result. This just has to do with the way this skill is done and perhaps a little lack in experience. Since you need to handle the buoyancy of two divers. A few years ago I was evaluating agencies and found that with a long hose setup you wouldn't have that issue among some other things. For instance I prefer my backup on my neck. If I for some reason lose my primary I can find my backup with my eyes closed. It's just a great concept. You don't even need to be a gue diver for that. Although I would look into it.
Hey@@carlokop556, thanks for your assessment. As I mentioned I am a newby diver with about 25 dives, but already during pool sessions I noticed that basic setup is difficult in an out-of-air situation. Both divers are very limited in movements, and since this is a stress situation, I prefer both of us having some freedom of movement. So no doubt, my setup will change to long hose. But why, in heavens name, feels every organisation the need to rename long hose! That can only be ego tripping. If you look at GUE, RAID,....... it is all simply long hose. One puts it inbetween body and belt, the other tells you to carry a knife and route your hose around it,.... I did quite some sports in my life, but never in my life I came across so many organizations that want to stick their name on something that already exists for sooooo long!
@@amazingtazz9779 I think you really need to find what you like and make up your own mind. There are a lot of agencies that tell you what to do and there are no standards You will have to find your own path. I started out with a PADI like agency, but as i progressed and did more challenging dives my needs changed. I started to evaluate some other agencies. I found that a lot of recreational agencies do things a way i cannot agree with. Getting out of the water with 50 bars for instance. Sounds great but nobody could tell me at what pressure i should start my ascent to get to 50 and if it's gonna be enough if something happens. If you only do some low risk shallow recreational dives this might be just fine. But as you progress the risk level will rise. You may want to take some additional safety precautions. But as you did only 25 dives i take you are a OWD. You shouldn't bother to much about it for now. Although you can follow GUE standards from OWD (or rec 1) level. By far most people will do this not before they are at Divemaster or Instructor and want to progress as a technical diver. Although a fundamentals or rec 1 class might be the best class you can ever follow.
Interesting. Please remove the background music! It’s useless and makes it difficult to listen to the speaker. Thank you.
thanks for the feedback... we got mixed feedback about the music, so we will consider adjusting :)
@@dorotaczerny6811 The music is too loud and distracting considering the subject and type of video.
@@dorotaczerny6811 If you have edited these kinds of videos you know there are arguments for and against background music (bgm) Two points with this one. 1. The volume is a touch too loud. But 2. More importantly, when you have bgm which has a reasonably high dynamic range (as this one does) it is hard to use as a bgm as opposed to at full volume without VO. bgm tracks generally have lower highs and higher lows. IOW a lower dymanoc range (difference between high and low) So the 'pulsing' nature of this track doesn't help.
fwiw
The music is super distracting and doesn't really seem appropriate for this style of video. It was also difficult to hear the speaker with headphones.
thanks for the feedback. Full disclaimer, we have previously tried doing the videos without the music, but they turn out flat & static. We will definitely the level of Music on the next videos. Really useful to know that when listening on headphones it's not clear, so thank you for that!
@@GUEdivers Having music is definitely a step in the right direction. You might want to try adjusting the levels so it’s softer in the background. In my previous comment I mentioned the music being inappropriate for the video. After listening again, it may be more on the “epic” side, but I think that’s okay if you’re going for that. The main focus is the speaker so you want it to complement what’s being said instead of stand out by being too loud. I do a lot of video editing so I’m probably more critical than most viewers. Anyways, thank you for all the awesome videos! 👍
Edit: here are a couple articles that go into more detail
-wistia.com/learn/production/background-music-volume
-www.premiumbeat.com/blog/how-to-set-audio-levels-for-video/
@@Inthedark72 any royalty free music suggestions?
@@GUEdivers unfortunately I never found any good dedicated source. I just scoured TH-cam or google for different royalty free tracks and listened to them to see if it fit for what I was imagining. I’m sorry I don’t have a better answer. Searching for certain emotions or themes is helpful (inspirational, mellow, etc.)
th-cam.com/video/G7mFk2VbU-Y/w-d-xo.html
At 16:00 is the reason you use a long hose.
2m or 2.5m is better
Depending on who you dive with I think most people are conditioned to look for the yellow hose as the back up. A long hose configuration might confuse people that are panicking. Perhaps the long hose could have a yellow body 2nd stage so when you donate they don't get confused as to what you are doing
This is why you always discuss emergency procedures every time you dive with a new buddy.
Also, like Dorota said - in most cases an out-of-gas diver would go to the first *working* regulator they can see, which is the one in your mouth. This is regardless of training - it's just instinctive.
That‘s why I‘ve even learned in my SSI OWD course, to donate my primary and use the octopus myself.
They are all advantages except that you have to remove your regulator from your mouth and hand it over, that risk is very high and unnecessary.
I have MY regulator and if someone runs out of air I give them another one, without letting go of mine (let's discuss what the other one should be like, but without letting go of mine, it's my life)
First. You say that in the regular regulator the octopus can fail due to lack of use or maintenance. That has nothing to do with the configuration you have, it is the same if you have GUE and you do not maintain your equipment, the person to whom you donate your regulator will have air but you will not. Second. You say that the contact in an emergency ascent is not necessary and I consider it incorrect, I do not know how many times if you have ever been with a scared and panicked diver. It is not easy to control and if you have to make a safety stop he will just want to get out of the water. He will drag you to the surface if he is two meters from you.
We will let Dorota answer in more question when she returns from assignment, but to keep the interesting convo going, why do you consider contact in an emergency situation a must?
Surely if the diver is
properly trained,
has adequate buoyancy control,
knows the steps to follow in said emergency,
and is reassured as they now have a working gas source, they can end the dive together without contact? Interested to hear at what point and why contact becomes necessary? Why would they not be able to follow protocol and do required stops (where necessary) if they are self-sufficient, and have a working gas source?
@@GUEdivers Perhaps the better response is that the long hose gives you the option of keeping close contact or maintaining distance. The octopus style configuration requires relatively close contact only.
Excellent and informative video! But QUIT USING THAT MUSIC… PLEASE!! It is annoyingly distracting……
Manufacture-it-Right and the Do-it-Right mantra becomes a meaningless endeavour.
Interesting subject but delivered in such a boring way.
Haha.... Thabks for feedback. Yes, I tend to speak a lot on those. And for sure in time we may get more resources and free time to make it more attractive. Always good to learn ☺️
It’s part of your charm :)
Not boring at all- a serious approach to a serious subject😅