Sun tour superbe pro, was a beautiful great functional group set. It had index shifting before it it became popular with Shimano, lots of Continental teams in the 80’s rode them. The break set was one of the best too,
For some they are better because they are easier to use for precise modulation in race conditions rather than panic stops. Immaterial in the days of the disc brakes.
I have never owned Deltas but would love to have a pair on my bike. Everyone says that their braking performance is terrible but I refuse to believe that. They were very common in the pro ranks and I doubt very much that a pro would put up with sub par performance.
I downloaded the GCN app earlier today. It's like a Facebook newsfeed, but only for sexy bikes. No photos of friends' breakfasts, no political rants, no memes you've seen a dozen times before. 100% sexy bikes. I think I found my favorite social media platform.
For sheer quality and flawless longevity, its hard to beat the later versions of the Suntour Superbe Pro and XC Pro groupsets. Still using both of these after 30 years of hard use.
Thanks for the awesome birthday present, Ollie! My bday was yesterday and I won the GRX groupset today! P.S. Folks are always finding new and creative ways to spell my last name wrong (O'Neill not O'Niell) - womp womp.
I take the point about groupsets being a relatively modern innovation: my 1970s Falcon had Raleigh downtube levers, Huret front mech, Shimano Titlist rear mech, Regina freewheel and Sugino (SR) double crank and BB. Brakes were Weinmann.
In chronologic order: Campagnolo Gran Sport - the first paralellogram which all current deraillures still copies. Campagnolo Nuovo Record. The new benchmark for two decades. Superbe Pro - from its first iteration to the final, first decent shifting due to the slant paralellogram pantent and the freewheel. It was still the best shifting groupset when suntour left the highend road market, Accushift 2 was as good as Shimano’s SIS indexing. Component quality, materials and finish was even superior to Record C-180 in the last iteration. Seatpost was produced by Nitto, brakes by DiaCompe, Crank by Sugino, pedals by MKS - all to specifation and tollerances that exeeded the OEM vendors own products. Spidel 700 - simplex derailures and shifters, mafac brakes, maillard hubs and freewheel, sedisport chain, stronglight cranksets, Lyotard pedals. Not on the list for the derallure which where horrible, but the Simplex Retrofiction shifters was just head above everything else and is still the benchmark for downtube shifters. Mavic SSC / RS - superior serviceability, and it included the Simplex retroflection shifter as well. Deraillures where shifting as well and as durable as Nouvo/Super Record. bootmbracket was enginious and hubs superiour to anything except the Maillard 700. Shimano DureAce 7400 SIS 6 speed on the list for the first decent index shifting - from performace perspectiive non indexed Simplex retrofriction was faster, smoother and more precice but SIS made it easier for the non-experienced riders. Sachs New Success Aris. rivalled Superpe Campagnolo Athena - the first non-Suntour slant parallelogram. Get it with the dopler shifters, they are cluched like Simplex Retrofriction - and drop Synco 1 option. Well engeneered comared to C-Rercord which is under engeneered, and not over engeneerd like Chorus and the über over engeneered but still brilliant Croche d'Aune of the same era. Mavic SSC 800 generation - slant paralellogram deraillures and casette hub. Shimano DureAce 7400 SIS 7 speed. For the SLR brakelevers, the dualpivot brake calipers and the technical design of the casette hub. Shimano DureAce 7410 8 speed STI (for STI) Campagnolo Record 8 speed Ergopower for superior ergonomics to STI and the phenomonal chain. Sachs New Success 8 speed Ergopower, ergopower was co developped with sachs. Deraillures where better than Record and Dureace. Brakes came from Modolo, Casette hub from Maillard based on the 700 hub. Chain was Sidi (the foundation for SRAMs current chains). Casette spacing was the same as Shimano's and shift ramps where better than what Campagnolo and Shimano offered. Crankset was Campagnolo OEM. Campagnolo Record 9 speed - first 9 speed by years Campagnolo Record 10 speed - first 10 speed by years Campagnolo Record 11 speed - first 11 speed by years Campagnolo Record 12 speed - first 12 speed by a year.
For me one of the most revolutionary groupsets was the late 90s Campagnolo 9-Speed groupsets - they were (to my knowledge) the first ones to have the cables hidden away and were just working incredible well. I still have a Campagnolo Chorus 9-speed on my old racing bike and it is still doing a great job!
I absolutely love my new bike with ultegra di2. Electronic shifting is a huge deal for me, no wires snapping mid-ride, super easy to maintain, really fast shifting and really precise.
I like the hoodie. But you're not selling it, Ollie. You're not square on to the camera and the hood hangs in a wonkie position and you're leaning on one elbow? What's going on there? It's a nice hoodie...but...not...super nice. (No clank this week).
groupsets. not sure about important or revolutionary, but one of the most beautiful to look at was / is Suntour Superbe Pro from the 80's. absolutely gorgeous stuff.
I'm 63 years old, and was therefore around to see the *shift* (pun intended) from friction shifting to indexed shifting. Even though the levers were still on the downtube (actually, mine were generally on my bar ends), reliable indexed shifting was a game changer indeed. Steve
Thanks for featuring Colina! BTW I did my vinyl wrap about a year ago (pre GCN) so if john wants a lesson in how to do it badly tell him to get in touch
The Deore XT group was pretty groundbreaking, in it was the first real mountain bike component group. This really told me that mountain biking was gonna be a thing, not some passing fad.
Yes. It took the groupset and made it tougher. Roadies take for granted how durable their ultra-light groupsets are. They owe it to the MTB guys who've pushed how durable a groupset can be.
I am actually laughing out lol, not just “lol” about the bell delivery. Dying over here in America (said in Ollie’s poor attempt of an American accent). Brilliant gents!
The first mountain bike specific Shimano XT groupset in 1982/1983 is probably the most influential in 'recent' times given the whole sport of mountain biking took a leap forward as a result. In road I reckon the first STI setup was the biggest safety and ergonomics change, but better aerodynamics seems to be the performance game changer and that's been more rider position and frames and wheels than groupsets. Gravel bikes are in between two ranges of parts Shimano already know well, so GRX can't claim any new ground, but it will be very interesting to see whether it will find it's niche as it evolves to match how people use it.
Toss between the Dura ace 8 speed STI and Di2! When you could shift from the hoods that was huge, rather than fumbling around with the downtube shifters! I wasn't a big fan when Di2 1st came out because I had tried the Mavic battery system back in the 90's and wasn't impressed at all! When I did get the Di2 system I was pretty impressed night and day compared to the Mavic system!
Dura Ace 7400-7403. Campag Record Cobalto was nice but Dura Ace of that era was THE game changer that brought indexed gears that actually indexed properly, SLR brakes, sublime front mech and pedals (the clips and straps) that were best of breed. The clipless Dura Ace pedals of the later 7800 are still one of the best. And that seatpost. Who needs carbon when you have an alloy post that's strong and light?
Ollie's bike vault bell antics are getting better and better. I see a montage in a future episode where Ollie take the bell with him on a trip and leaves it there. Only in this game of one-upmanship, Jon has the last laugh.
Sachs New Success. Took the best of other top companies, added sealed SKS besrings, and kept the price as low as 105 but the performance and durability of Chorus. Genius!
Tbh, my issue with electronic groupsets is the electronics. A bike which needs some sort of wall plug just doesn't feel right. Maybe this is just an age issue on my side...
At the age of 54, I just got my first Di2 set it is incredible! I could not grasp it until I started riding it. Smoother,quicker and easier shifting are just the start.
The weird part to me is that they haven't already built in a Dynamo to keep it charged, with a toggle switch when you don't want the watts getting wasted on charging the battery.
Something else we all take for granted. Index shifting!!! Before it came along shifting was a hit and miss affair. Pop quiz. Which company invented index shifting?
For me Shimano‘s 1978 aero groupset dura ace 7300 ax is the one that is revolutionary for me: First freewheel body for cassettes(sorry,that was 7200),first brake leavers with internal cable routing, the cranks and pedals were different because the sole of the shoe was beneath the axle of the pedal,the brakes had a new middle pulled system and were aero,too. Just like the bottle and cage,the stems are in one piece with a new clamping system that was later taken over by cinelli,the fixing bolt of the front derailleur was on the right side now and was also much more aero. This groupset was the beginning of aero aspects in bike racing! 🤙🚴🏽💦
Col W. The Suntour slant parallellagram rear derailer was the first in the eary 60's and now used by all. It made single step 12-18 clusters a dream and shifted just one cog at a time. without that change none of the advances in index or electronic shifting would be possible as it ran the guide sprocket at the same distance from the cluster over the full width unlike the early Record constantly changed with increasing chain flex so that when you shifted from the smallest cog it would always over shift at least two cogs and have to shift back. Not good.
I raced from mid eighties to late nineties. My faves are Suntour Superb Pro (mid 80's. It worked and oh so well). Mavic (always ace track and road and a special mention to the starfish crankset and Zap). Shimano dura ace (solid, late 80's). But for beauty circa 98 campagnolo record (still going well on my aged Bianchi). For everyday usage 105 will be all anyone needs.
A couple things...for me the biggest relatively modern leap in cycling is proper gearing. Having more gear options made it easier to put a more wide ranging cassette on. That opened cycling up to more people to go more places. The other thing is the winner of last weeks SUBU contest was missing? Great show! The Deckl thing still bothers me though!
Not a groupset but the Shimano Hyperglide system, SIS system and SRAMs Narrow-wide concept. Between these 3 technologies we can enjoy great groupsets. Hyperglide moved us over to precision cog alignment and the freehub driver. SIS introduced indexed shifting, gone were the days of awkward friction shifters. Narrow-wide has almost eliminated dropped chains and lets us use more cogs on our cassettes. All 3 mean modern groupsets can be truly fantastic.
GCN bike vault: You buy a nice bike, put it in a nice background, align the pedals and valves => super nice You refurbish a bike, custom paint job, make it unique, you forget the pedals and valves => nice
Very personal list on most influencing groupsets: 1. Campa Nuovo/Super Record as the most copied components and first REAL pro groupsets, 2. Campa C-Record, of course with Delta brakes and sheriff hubs AND Shimano Santé, when aesthetics count first, 3. 600/Ultegra for the same reason as 105, but that notch up to make it enough for many pros and even more self-respecting enthusiasts the same time, + the worst ever: Campa Synchro shifting system, never really worked.
I love GCN, but I'm over the bike picture judgement. I like seeing beautiful bikes, but I also like seeing hard used bikes, taken during a picture of the ride. There was a video recently of champion cyclocross bikes in a Niels Alberts' shop with the mud from the events still caked on. Jeremy was going gaga at seeing the dirt. I'd take that photo of the old steely in the snowy mountains over the posed photos any day.
@RollinRat my current favorite is my cheap ass "FrankenGravel" bike that I converted from a cheap commuter. It will never win a beauty pageant, but it's a hard user.
I've often wondered if you could set up a TT Bike for very flat TTs with just 1 gear. So getting rid of the weight and drag of those components you'd no longer need, surely for specific TTs it'd be a very good idea.
two points campagnolo developed electronic groupset way back in 1992 they were not the first to bring it to market as it needed refining but they had prototypes on pro bikes being tested in 2003 2004 giro and the classics and second point rominger was full to the back teeth with EPO
I would have to say Shimano Dura Ace 7400. Index shifting made every other company's offerings obsolete. Shimano rose to the top, Campagnolo's stronghold in pro cycling went away, and it killed Suntour, the only other serious competitor of the time.
Definitely seconding this. And it wasn't just the shifting quality. It was bombproof. Shimano built a torture rig to simulate riding Paris-Roubaix for something like 30 days straight and it had to survive that. It was more durable than the mountain bike components of the day. Without the 7400 group set, STI wouldn't have been usable. Although the 1963 Campagnolo Nuovo Record group is the group set that basically set the standard for the next 20 years until the Dura-Ace 7400 should be on the list.
I remember someone trying out the Mavic electronic shifting around 1988/89 which predates your date. It wasn't dependable so maybe it was the gamma version at the time.
Sun tour superbe pro, was a beautiful great functional group set. It had index shifting before it it became popular with Shimano, lots of Continental teams in the 80’s rode them.
The break set was one of the best too,
When GCN shows your epic ride picture on the GCN app😉 I had my 5 secs of celebrity! 0:52
Campy's delta brakes - just beautiful. Design art. They won't stop you but at least you'll look good!
For some they are better because they are easier to use for precise modulation in race conditions rather than panic stops. Immaterial in the days of the disc brakes.
I have never owned Deltas but would love to have a pair on my bike. Everyone says that their braking performance is terrible but I refuse to believe that. They were very common in the pro ranks and I doubt very much that a pro would put up with sub par performance.
Can we please get a "groupset of the people" shirt with a deconstructed 105 on it? I'd buy that
pro tip: you can watch series at KaldroStream. I've been using them for watching a lot of movies recently.
@Emerson Devin definitely, I have been using Kaldrostream for since december myself :)
Mixed surfaces like road and tarmac... ? Poor Ollie, must be a bit tired...
Your clearly not riding British roads
Hahahaha! 🤦♂️. You know what I meant! Had been a long day!
What if your roads aren't tarmac?
Looking for this comment!
@@OllieBridgewood don't worry Ollie, still a great video...
"Is that your real name?", made me spit out my drink. You're truly a madlad Ollie 😂👍
Campag Super record groupset, from the 70's, 80's
I downloaded the GCN app earlier today. It's like a Facebook newsfeed, but only for sexy bikes. No photos of friends' breakfasts, no political rants, no memes you've seen a dozen times before. 100% sexy bikes.
I think I found my favorite social media platform.
Thanks Swolebro!
game-changing groupsets/components ?
SunTour and the slant parallelogram rear deraIlleur.
God I'd forgotten about those, haven't seen a set since the 90s...
Campagnolo Nuovo Record, iconic beauty and reliable functionality.
GRX is just another marketing trick which we cannot live without....You are soooo right! Thank You!
The XT touring groupset is probably more useful if you're after the gear range to allow one bike to do everything.
For sheer quality and flawless longevity, its hard to beat the later versions of the Suntour Superbe Pro and XC Pro groupsets. Still using both of these after 30 years of hard use.
Thanks for the awesome birthday present, Ollie! My bday was yesterday and I won the GRX groupset today! P.S. Folks are always finding new and creative ways to spell my last name wrong (O'Neill not O'Niell) - womp womp.
It's a good week for you! Congratulations Joshua, check your emails :)
Lotus bike... could fit fat bike tires on it. Woot woot, new track racing category!
Still have my 8 speed dura ace STI groupset its on my Litespeed catylst and working fine after 25 years!
I take the point about groupsets being a relatively modern innovation: my 1970s Falcon had Raleigh downtube levers, Huret front mech, Shimano Titlist rear mech, Regina freewheel and Sugino (SR) double crank and BB. Brakes were Weinmann.
In chronologic order:
Campagnolo Gran Sport - the first paralellogram which all current deraillures still copies.
Campagnolo Nuovo Record. The new benchmark for two decades.
Superbe Pro - from its first iteration to the final, first decent shifting due to the slant paralellogram pantent and the freewheel. It was still the best shifting groupset when suntour left the highend road market, Accushift 2 was as good as Shimano’s SIS indexing. Component quality, materials and finish was even superior to Record C-180 in the last iteration. Seatpost was produced by Nitto, brakes by DiaCompe, Crank by Sugino, pedals by MKS - all to specifation and tollerances that exeeded the OEM vendors own products.
Spidel 700 - simplex derailures and shifters, mafac brakes, maillard hubs and freewheel, sedisport chain, stronglight cranksets, Lyotard pedals. Not on the list for the derallure which where horrible, but the Simplex Retrofiction shifters was just head above everything else and is still the benchmark for downtube shifters.
Mavic SSC / RS - superior serviceability, and it included the Simplex retroflection shifter as well. Deraillures where shifting as well and as durable as Nouvo/Super Record. bootmbracket was enginious and hubs superiour to anything except the Maillard 700.
Shimano DureAce 7400 SIS 6 speed on the list for the first decent index shifting - from performace perspectiive non indexed Simplex retrofriction was faster, smoother and more precice but SIS made it easier for the non-experienced riders.
Sachs New Success Aris. rivalled Superpe
Campagnolo Athena - the first non-Suntour slant parallelogram. Get it with the dopler shifters, they are cluched like Simplex Retrofriction - and drop Synco 1 option. Well engeneered comared to C-Rercord which is under engeneered, and not over engeneerd like Chorus and the über over engeneered but still brilliant Croche d'Aune of the same era.
Mavic SSC 800 generation - slant paralellogram deraillures and casette hub.
Shimano DureAce 7400 SIS 7 speed. For the SLR brakelevers, the dualpivot brake calipers and the technical design of the casette hub.
Shimano DureAce 7410 8 speed STI (for STI)
Campagnolo Record 8 speed Ergopower for superior ergonomics to STI and the phenomonal chain.
Sachs New Success 8 speed Ergopower, ergopower was co developped with sachs. Deraillures where better than Record and Dureace. Brakes came from Modolo, Casette hub from Maillard based on the 700 hub. Chain was Sidi (the foundation for SRAMs current chains). Casette spacing was the same as Shimano's and shift ramps where better than what Campagnolo and Shimano offered. Crankset was Campagnolo OEM.
Campagnolo Record 9 speed - first 9 speed by years
Campagnolo Record 10 speed - first 10 speed by years
Campagnolo Record 11 speed - first 11 speed by years
Campagnolo Record 12 speed - first 12 speed by a year.
Holy shit. That's a long comment!
@R. Schowiada71 sedi = sedis sedisport. It was french, procured by Sachs and is still the foundation of SRAM's chains.
That screwdriver behind Ollie is driving me nuts! Please straighten it! :D
Love the hatred on the bell by Ollie 😂 makes my teeth grind as well when it's rung
Thumbs up from me just for the Spinal Tap reference alone! #nonemoreblack is my bike's name!
For me one of the most revolutionary groupsets was the late 90s Campagnolo 9-Speed groupsets - they were (to my knowledge) the first ones to have the cables hidden away and were just working incredible well. I still have a Campagnolo Chorus 9-speed on my old racing bike and it is still doing a great job!
I absolutely love my new bike with ultegra di2. Electronic shifting is a huge deal for me, no wires snapping mid-ride, super easy to maintain, really fast shifting and really precise.
Suntour cyclone Front and rear deraileurs excellent smooth shifting, with down tube friction shifter's of course.
The bell needs to be painted Celeste
Yes, but only after Jon has painted the bell in the colours of the Romanian National Flag 🇷🇴
Moltini Orange FTW
Haha we'll see what we can do
I like the hoodie. But you're not selling it, Ollie.
You're not square on to the camera and the hood hangs in
a wonkie position and you're leaning on one elbow?
What's going on there? It's a nice hoodie...but...not...super nice. (No clank this week).
groupsets. not sure about important or revolutionary, but one of the most beautiful to look at was / is Suntour Superbe Pro from the 80's. absolutely gorgeous stuff.
now thats a good point...
Colina.... Priceless! 😂 You've got my vote for name alone
I'm 63 years old, and was therefore around to see the *shift* (pun intended) from friction shifting to indexed shifting. Even though the levers were still on the downtube (actually, mine were generally on my bar ends), reliable indexed shifting was a game changer indeed.
Steve
It made a huge difference!
Spinal tap reference was fantastic!
None, none more black - brilliant!
Thanks for featuring Colina! BTW I did my vinyl wrap about a year ago (pre GCN) so if john wants a lesson in how to do it badly tell him to get in touch
yes, drop me a message jon.cannings@globalcyclingnetwork.com thanks
Amazing spinal tap-reference!
For an exhaustive study of the history of derailleur gearing, I highly recommend the book The Dancing Chain by Frank Berto.
The Deore XT group was pretty groundbreaking, in it was the first real mountain bike component group. This really told me that mountain biking was gonna be a thing, not some passing fad.
Just like the GRX groupset.........? Hmmmm
Yes. It took the groupset and made it tougher. Roadies take for granted how durable their ultra-light groupsets are. They owe it to the MTB guys who've pushed how durable a groupset can be.
I am actually laughing out lol, not just “lol” about the bell delivery. Dying over here in America (said in Ollie’s poor attempt of an American accent). Brilliant gents!
I started racing on the old Campagnolo Super Record 7 speed. Still very beautiful and functional. Also hard to fault the number of races won on it.
"None more black", excellent reference. Before we had E-Tap we had Spinal Tap!
Hey Ollie, I'm Oliver, the owner of the Ridley in this episode of bike vault. I agree with you that my bike earns more than this.
"I'll be back😎"
Which groupset do you think changed cycling? What do you think of the new Hope/Lotus track bike? Let us know in the comments below 👇
The first mountain bike specific Shimano XT groupset in 1982/1983 is probably the most influential in 'recent' times given the whole sport of mountain biking took a leap forward as a result. In road I reckon the first STI setup was the biggest safety and ergonomics change, but better aerodynamics seems to be the performance game changer and that's been more rider position and frames and wheels than groupsets. Gravel bikes are in between two ranges of parts Shimano already know well, so GRX can't claim any new ground, but it will be very interesting to see whether it will find it's niche as it evolves to match how people use it.
Toss between the Dura ace 8 speed STI and Di2! When you could shift from the hoods that was huge, rather than fumbling around with the downtube shifters! I wasn't a big fan when Di2 1st came out because I had tried the Mavic battery system back in the 90's and wasn't impressed at all! When I did get the Di2 system I was pretty impressed night and day compared to the Mavic system!
Never saw a di2, so i think STI is the real innovation for the average weekend road warrior
Ohhh it's in beatah!
That explains it, because I have an Android phone - or 'mohbille' if you're in England.
Dura Ace 7400-7403. Campag Record Cobalto was nice but Dura Ace of that era was THE game changer that brought indexed gears that actually indexed properly, SLR brakes, sublime front mech and pedals (the clips and straps) that were best of breed. The clipless Dura Ace pedals of the later 7800 are still one of the best. And that seatpost. Who needs carbon when you have an alloy post that's strong and light?
Very good points!
Loved comment at 13:00
“A new prize, a new GCN cap, or casquette if you’re French, or if you’re not French but just pretentious”
Ollie's bike vault bell antics are getting better and better. I see a montage in a future episode where Ollie take the bell with him on a trip and leaves it there. Only in this game of one-upmanship, Jon has the last laugh.
You're starting to predict future plots
Sachs New Success. Took the best of other top companies, added sealed SKS besrings, and kept the price as low as 105 but the performance and durability of Chorus. Genius!
Tbh, my issue with electronic groupsets is the electronics. A bike which needs some sort of wall plug just doesn't feel right. Maybe this is just an age issue on my side...
#itsatrap. th-cam.com/video/4F4qzPbcFiA/w-d-xo.html
At the age of 54, I just got my first Di2 set it is incredible! I could not grasp it until I started riding it. Smoother,quicker and easier shifting are just the start.
The weird part to me is that they haven't already built in a Dynamo to keep it charged, with a toggle switch when you don't want the watts getting wasted on charging the battery.
Campagnolo Record.
Polynesians Ollie? They came all the way from the South Pacific to France? (Phoenecians maybe?)
Tom McCafferty then too! 🤦♂️👍🏼
I thought maybe it was Peloponnesian, but Isis wouldn't fit in among their Greek goddesses.
@@glenlarimer1358 Peloponnesian was my guess, too, but Phoenician makes a lot more sense.
If only it could have been Polynesians - that would have made Tor Heyerdahl turn in his grave
Video made me laugh quite a bit. Thanks!
You're welcome Aaron
Incidentally, colina is Spanish for hill
Damian Barny what’s Spanish for “He ‘borrowed’ my bike and gave it a sex change?’
Polynesians? You're killing me, Ollie. 😆😂😂🤣😵💀
Shimano might have come up with STI but it took Campag to make it look right!
Campagnolo is pure class
Something else we all take for granted. Index shifting!!! Before it came along shifting was a hit and miss affair. Pop quiz. Which company invented index shifting?
The days before index shifting .....and riding into the back of parked cars ! Indexing luxury and we didn't have helmets ....or front teeth
That track bike looks amazing!
spd s for mountain bikes , game changer when they came out and could chuck out my Power Grips and Pepe trainers !!
For me Shimano‘s 1978 aero groupset dura ace 7300 ax is the one that is
revolutionary for me:
First freewheel body for cassettes(sorry,that was 7200),first brake leavers with internal cable routing,
the cranks and pedals were different because the sole of the shoe was beneath
the axle of the pedal,the brakes had a new middle pulled system and were aero,too.
Just like the bottle and cage,the stems are in one piece with a new clamping system
that was later taken over by cinelli,the fixing bolt of the front derailleur was on the right
side now and was also much more aero.
This groupset was the beginning of aero aspects in bike racing! 🤙🚴🏽💦
That Lotus Hop bike was really cool. Looks like a space ship.
Index shifting was a game changer prior to STI. SIS took the guessing game and the frequent adjustments out of shifting.
Col W. The Suntour slant parallellagram rear derailer was the first in the eary 60's and now used by all. It made single step 12-18 clusters a dream and shifted just one cog at a time. without that change none of the advances in index or electronic shifting would be possible as it ran the guide sprocket at the same distance from the cluster over the full width unlike the early Record constantly changed with increasing chain flex so that when you shifted from the smallest cog it would always over shift at least two cogs and have to shift back. Not good.
I raced from mid eighties to late nineties. My faves are Suntour Superb Pro
(mid 80's. It worked and oh so well). Mavic (always ace track and road and a special mention to the starfish crankset and Zap). Shimano dura ace (solid, late 80's). But for beauty circa 98 campagnolo record (still going well on my aged Bianchi). For everyday usage 105 will be all anyone needs.
Most revolutionary?
The DA that introduced indexing. Massive step forward.
PS I am a Campagnolo fan...
Not sure it's the most important, but click-shifting was certainly revolutionary.
Friction to trigger shifters was pretty cool jump in tech.
Clearly Jon's grubby little hands already fondled that derailleur @1:52
Shimano 600 tricolour for me. Indexing was more of a game changer imho than STi
Nicest looking groupset. I have it on my old Raleigh.
The "Cha-ching!" returns! 😁
Funniest ‘nice / supernice’ ever!👍
@12min - enough clearance for the gravel tires and mudguards for the British Team Olympic Games winter training period?
Have you seen British roads in winter?
A couple things...for me the biggest relatively modern leap in cycling is proper gearing. Having more gear options made it easier to put a more wide ranging cassette on. That opened cycling up to more people to go more places.
The other thing is the winner of last weeks SUBU contest was missing?
Great show! The Deckl thing still bothers me though!
Wider gear ranges have really improved cycling you're right!
And yes, our mistake we'll add it in next week fear not, our mistake 🤦♂️
Not a groupset but the Shimano Hyperglide system, SIS system and SRAMs Narrow-wide concept. Between these 3 technologies we can enjoy great groupsets. Hyperglide moved us over to precision cog alignment and the freehub driver. SIS introduced indexed shifting, gone were the days of awkward friction shifters. Narrow-wide has almost eliminated dropped chains and lets us use more cogs on our cassettes. All 3 mean modern groupsets can be truly fantastic.
Jon's letter should be read with his voice, this could slightly increase the dramatic impact of the message :D
Dang it Joshua! I wanted that GRX haha congrats
the advent of STI shifters (Dura Ace) is the most influential group set, no question...
19:25 repeat after me: A-loo-ish-us
The Canyon was perfect the way it was made... that owner ruined it.
None more black
Generally, I'd agree, but that whole "Colina" sex change thing was ... odd.
I mean, it's okay to love your bike, but not to "love" your bike, right?
no. Nothing more boring than all black bike, but I didn't like the white paint job.
Deckles. Beata. Can we have English subtitles please.
Ollie, we've moved to 13 speeds already, and 12 is the norm outside Shimano. Even they are catching up with 12speed now!
Great details of Eze - love the roads in that part of the world - you missed an opprtunity to link it to next year's Grand Départ of the tour...
The Lotus track bike; I suppose someone thought that photographing a black bike against a black background was a good idea!
We've got some more details and videos about it coming soon :)
GCN bike vault:
You buy a nice bike, put it in a nice background, align the pedals and valves => super nice
You refurbish a bike, custom paint job, make it unique, you forget the pedals and valves => nice
what about Chorus 12 speed?
Road and Tarmac?! Or perhaps off road.
Nuovo Record, Super Record, C Record w Deltas, change my mind... Campag FTW
When will the app be available to download world wide?
Very personal list on most influencing groupsets:
1. Campa Nuovo/Super Record as the most copied components and first REAL pro groupsets,
2. Campa C-Record, of course with Delta brakes and sheriff hubs AND Shimano Santé, when aesthetics count first,
3. 600/Ultegra for the same reason as 105, but that notch up to make it enough for many pros and even more self-respecting enthusiasts the same time,
+ the worst ever: Campa Synchro shifting system, never really worked.
13:43 Spinal Tap Movie reference.
Wildschwein Jäger I knew at least 1 person would spot it! 👏
Oliver, Ollie very funny nice , super nice!!!!!!
I love GCN, but I'm over the bike picture judgement. I like seeing beautiful bikes, but I also like seeing hard used bikes, taken during a picture of the ride. There was a video recently of champion cyclocross bikes in a Niels Alberts' shop with the mud from the events still caked on. Jeremy was going gaga at seeing the dirt. I'd take that photo of the old steely in the snowy mountains over the posed photos any day.
@RollinRat my current favorite is my cheap ass "FrankenGravel" bike that I converted from a cheap commuter. It will never win a beauty pageant, but it's a hard user.
Can you guys do a video on the most successful bikes/groupsets/wheels of the season like last year?
Congrats Joshua !!! Is a really sexy and good powerful Groupset GOD BLESS YOU !!!
Nice Nigel Tufnel imitation.
And for groupsets lets not forget Shimano AX the first attempt at an aero groupset. (Or perhaps better if we did)
I've often wondered if you could set up a TT Bike for very flat TTs with just 1 gear. So getting rid of the weight and drag of those components you'd no longer need, surely for specific TTs it'd be a very good idea.
Basically a time trial on a track bike
Nick Tarry I know a guy who rides his track bike for TTs
there are no rules that say you can't. And I've done a few TT on a track bike
two points campagnolo developed electronic groupset way back in 1992 they were not the first to bring it to market as it needed refining but they had prototypes on pro bikes being tested in 2003 2004 giro and the classics and second point rominger was full to the back teeth with EPO
I would have to say Shimano Dura Ace 7400. Index shifting made every other company's offerings obsolete. Shimano rose to the top, Campagnolo's stronghold in pro cycling went away, and it killed Suntour, the only other serious competitor of the time.
Definitely seconding this. And it wasn't just the shifting quality. It was bombproof. Shimano built a torture rig to simulate riding Paris-Roubaix for something like 30 days straight and it had to survive that. It was more durable than the mountain bike components of the day. Without the 7400 group set, STI wouldn't have been usable.
Although the 1963 Campagnolo Nuovo Record group is the group set that basically set the standard for the next 20 years until the Dura-Ace 7400 should be on the list.
12:45 YES the “Real” Cha-Ching is back!
We've been saving it up, it got worn out ;)
I remember someone trying out the Mavic electronic shifting around 1988/89 which predates your date. It wasn't dependable so maybe it was the gamma version at the time.
GCN App is not available on the German App Store... 😞
Nice Spinal Tap album cover nod
I find it incredible that the lotus bike is not UCI illegal. I certainly would have thought so from the looks
Not yet anyway!
@@gcntech right, they have a whole year before the olympics.... so team GB might need to go find a spare set of bikes just in case lol
I've got the app on Android
I like it Good job guys
So the rear stays are drafting the rider's legs? Wow