Wow i actually just got shocked when i looked at his subscribers. I expected him to have like 400k, not 4k. This guy is hella underrated Edit: oh i just realised his channel is relatively new, then i'm sure he will gain a lot of subscribers in the future, because this is a really good start to a channel
I feel like I find better content from creators like him versus popular TH-camrs who I rarely watch anymore as they are starting to feel very formulaic. Or like in the case with Pewdiepie, it is impossible to tell what a video will be about because the title tells you little to nothing about the video. So, I don't even bother watching it.
@@ajflink I strongly gravitate to smaller youtuber as well. Some stay great when they grow big but often they become as you said: Formulaic. I understand why, you have to follow the rules of the algorithm and it is very likely your job and you gotta appease your patrons and sponsors. But I am not a fan.
What a great analysis, it really opens your eyes how modern games took the old school arcade mechanics meant to extend playtime and eat quarters and turned it into a fun, thematically appropriate gameplay loop
great video. the combination of gameplay from different games, your pleasant voice and the minimalistic music makes this super enjoyable to watch. (same goes for your video about unplayed games in our libraries) you got yourself a new subscriber
13:25 the shade mechanic in Hollow Knight is also bad because one of the major aspects of metroidvanias is exploration; visiting and re-visiting different places to find a new path. If you die after you've reached a dead-end, either by purpose or from running out of resources, the game now forces you to go back to that dead-end for basically no reason. For the shade to work it would have to do something crazy that drives the game forwards, like spawning in a random location or something,. This of course doesn't seem very coherent and I would much prefer for it to not exist at all.
Nah I think its works well enough The shade gives you a reason to revisit the place where you died, wich is usually a dangerous place, in metroidvanias with no corpse run mechanics you dont really have a reason to go back to those places Besides, movement in hollow knight is fast so fighting your shade doesnt takes too long
I often have to fight the association permadeath = masochism when I explain why I play this mode in some games. It's not masochism if it makes the game more enjoyable. I actually treat myself with some sweet adrenaline ^^
@@henrykb.7808 yeah, I'm making a game, and I'm doing the same thing fallout did with the talking heads; Those scenes were cool in my opinion; The designs really exacerbated how gritty the world was, and they were hand made to boot! Truly just Extreme levels of quality equating to that of a passion project!
@@lavalord96 You like classic Fallout and also want to become a game developer? What else do we have in common lol. It's really cool that you are trying to implement talking heads to your game. Personally I haven't even started learning animation at all so I think I will stay away from something like that for now until I got better at using Blender.
@@henrykb.7808 you've been practicing blender too? I wanted my rpg maker game is going to have blender cutscenes so I've been practicing; I'm almost ready to make a trailer.
@@lavalord96 I'm literally just at the start of learning it and can't really do much there on my own yet. I did the Donut tutorial a year ago but forgot most of it and probably will start by doing it again while taking some notes and actually practicing more this time.
I just discovered your channel, and I must say that you present all your points in a clear, concise, yet informative and entertaining manner. I thoroughly enjoyed this analysis of yours and i'm very much looking forward to your future content 👍🏽
Alright, here's what i think are the key steps to make a death be not frustrating: 1 - DON'T WASTE THE PLAYER'S TIME. Let the player try again and give them back the control over their character as soon as possible. Don't put a long death animation or slow game over screen that forces them to stare at the screen for several seconds without doing anything. 2 - DON'T WASTE THE PLAYER'S PROGRESS. It's infuriating when you lose 2-3 stages worth of progress or get sent to the other side of the map because of bad checkpoint/save station/whatever placement. Don't force the player to go the same task over and over again before attempting a difficult stage, area, boss, etc. A tough challenge should be tough because it's difficult, not punishing. 3 - DON'T TAKE THE PLAYER'S RESOURCES. Health, ammo, mana, tools, ores, etc. etc. etc. Just let them try again with what they have... Don't try anything crazy, just rewind back to their last save/checkpoint/etc.! Of course, there are exceptions to this. Your game needs a certain degree of linearity for you to be able to do it. If the game's progression is more focused on player growth and resource management, then you can't really punish the player in any other way but take something they have away. 4 - Just be fair! If the death feels cheap, then it's frustrating. As simple as that.
And then there is League of Legends, a game that punishes you for the failures of 4 other people as hard as them, it takes 40 minutes to try again and every time you lose, you question the human existence itself and your own sanity, quite rewarding
Hey dude, really enjoyed your last two videos. Great discussion of game and consumer concepts. If you enjoy the high difficulty/low punishment of speedrun games like Lovely Planet and Celeste, I think it is worth looking into Neon White and Hot Lava. Neon White incorporates a story, Hot Lava has a scoreboard instead. Maybe you already have them sitting in your Steam library, haha!
Hey man great video! Even after Elden Ring added ways to avoid frustrating the player after dying, I still think that Dark Souls benefits from that punishment. On the surface level the main emotion that it provokes is anger or annoyance, but there are other aspects to it that may not be as apparent or significan at first. There is a fun video about it called "Your Least Favorite Place in Gaming", and even though it isn't about the same topic as your vid, I think there are some interesting takeaways from both
I've watched all your videos so far and liked all three. Great topics and good analysis. I love videos about gaming mechanics and the player experience
I just discovered this channel by chance but my god did this hit my brain in just the right way! I absolutely cant wait to see how much you grow my man ill be here for the next vid!
so this is a new fav channel of mine, pease do more of the thing you are doin like this more bitte
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13:09 - Dude, because of you I tried out Hollow Knight and I loved it. It was all fun and games until I tried out what would happen if after dying I would let the shade kill me (because I was stuck with not being able to defeat Hornet). Lost my ~1500 coins, which was an experience I haven't recovered from ever since.
I'm glad I got recommended this. I forgot to subscribe on your last video. I like your story telling style. It's calm and informative. Although I don't care for permadeaths is most rouge lites. I think I enjoyed Enter the Dungeon a little. But it was always annoying to start back from the beginning. I was kind of new to the genre. And I knew what to expect. But got tired of having to start back from the beginning. I should give Hades a try.
I came to your channel from the previous video . Just wanted to say that you make great content. Well edited and also engaging. Keep it up ! Leaving my comment to be in history when this channel reaches 100k :D
I say it is only frustrating if: 1) You can see it coming or know the signs before it happens. 2) You cannot rationalize what you did wrong. 3) It seemed to happen randomly. 4) It feels unnecessarily tedious. 5) You feel heavily discourage from doing anything potentially and significantly risky. 6) It feels like something is hard for the sake of being hard instead of an actual challenge. 7) You get mocked for asking for tips and/or advise about how to beat some part of a game.
Hades is definitely my favourite game to die in! In my 110 hours I think I had 2-3 occasions when I was salty about it. Every other time it just felt like progress. There was story-telling involved, I gathered resources, I had time to notice why and how I died, and I could rethink my build for the next run. Then later on you can fine-tune the difficulty as well. It was perfect! On the topic of dying I think RPGs are really behind, where you just reload a game and that's it. Alternatively you can do ironman mode, but a proper RPG playthrough is easily 10s of hours, so backtrecking is not an option for most people, even if they'd otherwise enjoy a more hardcore experience. Two of the biggest offenders that come to mind are Fallout: New Vegas and Kingdom Come: Deliverance, which already include scenes implying the main character died or almost died, so they know that it's interesting to include that type of thing. Then why not incorporate death into your game as a feature? Just reloading is a nice option to have, but it's just boring.
A cool death mechanic would be, to have the player respawn when he dies, but also to change the level or the Npc positions by a bit, so there is diversity between the attempts.
Just randomly watched your video on game overchoice and liked it very much. So I subbed and will now watch this Your videos have good quality, keep up the good work
Well, If you see death as an individual part of the game, sure, it sucks. But sometimes a game needs unpleasant elements to be a better game overall. And it is often an hard job to find this balance - and most times they get it wrong tbh. 🤐
Humans are built the way that when we are staying in some sort of environment long enough we get used to it, set the standards. Who would be happier, poor getting additional 100$ or rich getting additional 1000$? Same in the video games. Failing in games is a counterweight to winning. It sets our standards, lowers our expectations so smaller achievements would feel bigger. Being challenging is a core for fun in the most games.
Noita has the best Death mechanic: (almost)every single death is completely your fault and could've been prevented if you weren't playing like an idiot, BUT, not playing like an idiot isn't fun. why wouldn't I put a double + Omega + wand Refresh + end of everything on a wand and lag my entire computer out for 10 whole minutes after my death? Death are hilarious and stupid, and it's part of the allure of the game. you try to swim in acid, polymorphed into a sheep(permanently) or shot by a nuke - each of those are just absurd beyond reason but I have experienced them all and laughed at how I could've avoided it by just being less stupid(I shot the Nuke myself, with glass cannon).
Death in a game like *Risk of Rain 2* feels terrible, because it's the type of rogue-like that has way too much of a different pace between early run and late run. The first fifteen to thirty minutes of any given run (depending on luck) feel boring and slow, to the point where I wish there was an option to just start a run at a midway point with random pick-ups already in the inventory.
Great and enjoyable video! I'm just confused about your pfp. What is it? It kind of looks like a Hedgehog but that wouldn't fit the name "ghost limit". Pls explain.
A game where you can't fail is not worth playing, unless the game has some compelling story or offer you an experience (Problem with those game is that you can only truly experience them ONCE which I hate) some games might have a compelling story with twist ups and down that you can experience once but has enough gameplay, content, fun and other stuff to make it fun to replay.
One of the worst failiure mechanics I've seen is in Psychonauts 2. This is for one reason, and one reason only. If I die, I have to reload the entire scene. Every. Single. Time. The reason it sucks? The loading screens, at least on PS4 and Xbox One, are so long; like, 15 seconds long! Don't get me wrong, I understand why: it's probably because the developers didn't want to risk a lot of bugs when trying to reset the scene, or because of RAM limits on older devices. But still! At least _try_ to reduce loading screens! Especially since those were the target platforms, as in the ones the game were meant for. So, if you want Psychonauts 2, get it on a next-gen system or an ultra-quick hard drive. I promise you, the experience will be so much better.
One way to make players to do same repetitive thing without making less checkpoints is by grade system. Yes, you completed this section of the game, but it took you 16 restarts while you supposed to do it without them, so you get a D, you silly casual.
It's only bad if you die constantly or lose good chunk of progression due to death. That's why i don't play CoD/Battlefield, it annoys the shit out of me, not to mention 9/10 times you shoot first and you die first because of garbage netcode. Souls games can have similar things, but it's usually depends what game and how long the gap is between going from a to b without save point.
Part of the fun of games comes from the challenge of beating them, the satisfaction you get after going through a hard segment? that's some good stuff
It's the dopamine rush of Souls games.
What are YOU doing her??!?
@@KruizWasylenchuk as it turns out youtubers use youtube too. Though it is interesting and odd that this happened to be their first comment.
Never seen such high quality content from such a small youtuber, you're gonna grow like crazy if you keep this up. Great video
Wow i actually just got shocked when i looked at his subscribers.
I expected him to have like 400k, not 4k.
This guy is hella underrated
Edit: oh i just realised his channel is relatively new, then i'm sure he will gain a lot of subscribers in the future, because this is a really good start to a channel
I feel like I find better content from creators like him versus popular TH-camrs who I rarely watch anymore as they are starting to feel very formulaic. Or like in the case with Pewdiepie, it is impossible to tell what a video will be about because the title tells you little to nothing about the video. So, I don't even bother watching it.
@@ajflink I strongly gravitate to smaller youtuber as well. Some stay great when they grow big but often they become as you said: Formulaic.
I understand why, you have to follow the rules of the algorithm and it is very likely your job and you gotta appease your patrons and sponsors.
But I am not a fan.
12:00 I think this is what I liked about Elden Ring. The stakes of Marika made fighting a boss again much less painful
What a great analysis, it really opens your eyes how modern games took the old school arcade mechanics meant to extend playtime and eat quarters and turned it into a fun, thematically appropriate gameplay loop
It’s absolutely ridiculous that you only have 3 videos and they’re THIS good
I'm glad I discovered this channel every video has been pretty high quality and pretty enjoyable.
damn i saw you at 766 subs last time i watched, hope this growth stays because your content is awesome
Long unskippable cut scenes you need to rewatch every time you die.
great video. the combination of gameplay from different games, your pleasant voice and the minimalistic music makes this super enjoyable to watch. (same goes for your video about unplayed games in our libraries)
you got yourself a new subscriber
"You have not died untill you've played ROTMG"
I have found a gold channel
Keep it up you deserve every subscriber
13:25 the shade mechanic in Hollow Knight is also bad because one of the major aspects of metroidvanias is exploration; visiting and re-visiting different places to find a new path. If you die after you've reached a dead-end, either by purpose or from running out of resources, the game now forces you to go back to that dead-end for basically no reason. For the shade to work it would have to do something crazy that drives the game forwards, like spawning in a random location or something,. This of course doesn't seem very coherent and I would much prefer for it to not exist at all.
Nah I think its works well enough
The shade gives you a reason to revisit the place where you died, wich is usually a dangerous place, in metroidvanias with no corpse run mechanics you dont really have a reason to go back to those places
Besides, movement in hollow knight is fast so fighting your shade doesnt takes too long
That lottery joke at the start was way funnier to me than it should have been
I often have to fight the association permadeath = masochism when I explain why I play this mode in some games. It's not masochism if it makes the game more enjoyable. I actually treat myself with some sweet adrenaline ^^
Masochism is defined as enjoying pain. So it can be both masochistic and fun
I remember absolutely LOVING fallout1 and 2's death story telling, it was absolutely fantastic at displaying failure in story.
Nice to see another fan of Fallout 1 and 2 here.
I love those games
@@henrykb.7808 yeah, I'm making a game, and I'm doing the same thing fallout did with the talking heads; Those scenes were cool in my opinion; The designs really exacerbated how gritty the world was, and they were hand made to boot! Truly just Extreme levels of quality equating to that of a passion project!
@@lavalord96
You like classic Fallout and also want to become a game developer?
What else do we have in common lol.
It's really cool that you are trying to implement talking heads to your game.
Personally I haven't even started learning animation at all so I think I will stay away from something like that for now until I got better at using Blender.
@@henrykb.7808 you've been practicing blender too? I wanted my rpg maker game is going to have blender cutscenes so I've been practicing; I'm almost ready to make a trailer.
@@lavalord96
I'm literally just at the start of learning it and can't really do much there on my own yet.
I did the Donut tutorial a year ago but forgot most of it and probably will start by doing it again while taking some notes and actually practicing more this time.
I'm glad im here when this channel started
just here to make sure people know the quality my man is putting out, this one and the "Overchoice" vid 10/10.
I just discovered your channel, and I must say that you present all your points in a clear, concise, yet informative and entertaining manner. I thoroughly enjoyed this analysis of yours and i'm very much looking forward to your future content 👍🏽
Babe wake up, Ghost Limit posted another video
Yey! Just found you today and already another video to watch! Your voice is very soothing as well
Alright, here's what i think are the key steps to make a death be not frustrating:
1 - DON'T WASTE THE PLAYER'S TIME. Let the player try again and give them back the control over their character as soon as possible. Don't put a long death animation or slow game over screen that forces them to stare at the screen for several seconds without doing anything.
2 - DON'T WASTE THE PLAYER'S PROGRESS. It's infuriating when you lose 2-3 stages worth of progress or get sent to the other side of the map because of bad checkpoint/save station/whatever placement. Don't force the player to go the same task over and over again before attempting a difficult stage, area, boss, etc. A tough challenge should be tough because it's difficult, not punishing.
3 - DON'T TAKE THE PLAYER'S RESOURCES. Health, ammo, mana, tools, ores, etc. etc. etc. Just let them try again with what they have... Don't try anything crazy, just rewind back to their last save/checkpoint/etc.!
Of course, there are exceptions to this. Your game needs a certain degree of linearity for you to be able to do it. If the game's progression is more focused on player growth and resource management, then you can't really punish the player in any other way but take something they have away.
4 - Just be fair! If the death feels cheap, then it's frustrating. As simple as that.
3:37 I love how you put the graph behind the trash bin instead of inside xD
You make something sound so dramatic so effortlessly
And then there is League of Legends, a game that punishes you for the failures of 4 other people as hard as them, it takes 40 minutes to try again and every time you lose, you question the human existence itself and your own sanity, quite rewarding
Hey dude, really enjoyed your last two videos. Great discussion of game and consumer concepts. If you enjoy the high difficulty/low punishment of speedrun games like Lovely Planet and Celeste, I think it is worth looking into Neon White and Hot Lava. Neon White incorporates a story, Hot Lava has a scoreboard instead. Maybe you already have them sitting in your Steam library, haha!
Hey man great video!
Even after Elden Ring added ways to avoid frustrating the player after dying, I still think that Dark Souls benefits from that punishment.
On the surface level the main emotion that it provokes is anger or annoyance, but there are other aspects to it that may not be as apparent or significan at first.
There is a fun video about it called "Your Least Favorite Place in Gaming", and even though it isn't about the same topic as your vid, I think there are some interesting takeaways from both
I've watched all your videos so far and liked all three. Great topics and good analysis. I love videos about gaming mechanics and the player experience
I was here when you just had 5.62k subs. Can't wait to see how much bigger you get. The content is great, keep it up champ :D
Hey man just finished watching this video and discovered you only made three! Insane quality, keep it up champ
I just discovered this channel by chance but my god did this hit my brain in just the right way! I absolutely cant wait to see how much you grow my man ill be here for the next vid!
Fantastic video. Hoping for more content like this with you’re unique insights.
I really like this type of content keep up the good work! Sooner or later you will have a big channel!
Really nice video. Glad I subscribed yesterday.
this is really high quality video man! how doesn't this channel get more attention?
Wow, you really gained 1k sub in just a day.
I'm sure your channel will grow exponentially, and it's not so surprising with the quality of your videos
so this is a new fav channel of mine, pease do more of the thing you are doin like this more bitte
13:09 - Dude, because of you I tried out Hollow Knight and I loved it. It was all fun and games until I tried out what would happen if after dying I would let the shade kill me (because I was stuck with not being able to defeat Hornet). Lost my ~1500 coins, which was an experience I haven't recovered from ever since.
I'm glad I got recommended this. I forgot to subscribe on your last video. I like your story telling style. It's calm and informative.
Although I don't care for permadeaths is most rouge lites. I think I enjoyed Enter the Dungeon a little. But it was always annoying to start back from the beginning. I was kind of new to the genre. And I knew what to expect. But got tired of having to start back from the beginning. I should give Hades a try.
I came to your channel from the previous video . Just wanted to say that you make great content. Well edited and also engaging. Keep it up ! Leaving my comment to be in history when this channel reaches 100k :D
4:52 my man has a thesaurus and he's not afraid to use it
I say it is only frustrating if:
1) You can see it coming or know the signs before it happens.
2) You cannot rationalize what you did wrong.
3) It seemed to happen randomly.
4) It feels unnecessarily tedious.
5) You feel heavily discourage from doing anything potentially and significantly risky.
6) It feels like something is hard for the sake of being hard instead of an actual challenge.
7) You get mocked for asking for tips and/or advise about how to beat some part of a game.
Hades is definitely my favourite game to die in! In my 110 hours I think I had 2-3 occasions when I was salty about it. Every other time it just felt like progress. There was story-telling involved, I gathered resources, I had time to notice why and how I died, and I could rethink my build for the next run. Then later on you can fine-tune the difficulty as well. It was perfect!
On the topic of dying I think RPGs are really behind, where you just reload a game and that's it. Alternatively you can do ironman mode, but a proper RPG playthrough is easily 10s of hours, so backtrecking is not an option for most people, even if they'd otherwise enjoy a more hardcore experience.
Two of the biggest offenders that come to mind are Fallout: New Vegas and Kingdom Come: Deliverance, which already include scenes implying the main character died or almost died, so they know that it's interesting to include that type of thing. Then why not incorporate death into your game as a feature? Just reloading is a nice option to have, but it's just boring.
A cool death mechanic would be, to have the player respawn when he dies, but also to change the level or the Npc positions by a bit, so there is diversity between the attempts.
I just watched your last video and subscribed enjoyable content and good editing
Great videos, good content. Keep up the good work!
"The sliding scale of punishment" zesty
Just randomly watched your video on game overchoice and liked it very much. So I subbed and will now watch this
Your videos have good quality, keep up the good work
i love your videos man keep it up the algorithm likes you too
Just watched your account hit 4k subscribers! Congrats!
Amazing video keep making these videos I’ll Keep watching
A full Hollowknight video would be cool 👀
I like the death in halo because of ragdolls and the physics with the body
Well, If you see death as an individual part of the game, sure, it sucks. But sometimes a game needs unpleasant elements to be a better game overall. And it is often an hard job to find this balance - and most times they get it wrong tbh. 🤐
Another cool video. Interesting topic, some of the best drip feeding of rewards come from rogue likes recently. Keep it up dude.
The way you use your voice and the content you make is great. Hope you have more good ideas for next videos.
Great Video (: its crazy how DARK Souls makes everyone who played it contemplate Game Design xD
Humans are built the way that when we are staying in some sort of environment long enough we get used to it, set the standards. Who would be happier, poor getting additional 100$ or rich getting additional 1000$? Same in the video games. Failing in games is a counterweight to winning. It sets our standards, lowers our expectations so smaller achievements would feel bigger.
Being challenging is a core for fun in the most games.
Please make more vids. I love your channel
Your videos are good! Keep it coming! 👍
Good video!
I really love your channel and videos :) I hope you will grow as big as you wish ✌🏻 peace
Well made video. I hope to see your yt channel grow.
the good thing is that dying hasn't killed anyone yet.
let that sink in!
Noita has the best Death mechanic: (almost)every single death is completely your fault and could've been prevented if you weren't playing like an idiot,
BUT, not playing like an idiot isn't fun.
why wouldn't I put a double + Omega + wand Refresh + end of everything on a wand and lag my entire computer out for 10 whole minutes after my death?
Death are hilarious and stupid, and it's part of the allure of the game.
you try to swim in acid, polymorphed into a sheep(permanently) or shot by a nuke - each of those are just absurd beyond reason but I have experienced them all and laughed at how I could've avoided it by just being less stupid(I shot the Nuke myself, with glass cannon).
15:00
Don't mind me, just gonna flex my Hades FreshFile run 1 clear real quick.
Didn't you just get 3x the subs you had yesterday? Congrats, you deserve it.
Death in a game like *Risk of Rain 2* feels terrible, because it's the type of rogue-like that has way too much of a different pace between early run and late run. The first fifteen to thirty minutes of any given run (depending on luck) feel boring and slow, to the point where I wish there was an option to just start a run at a midway point with random pick-ups already in the inventory.
You are very interesting, glad I found your channel
Thy TH-cam algorithm has blessed you
I think you would like Sekiro, it’s sort of like DS, but with much more reasonable spawning mechanics, and a more skill based fighting system.
I think you should've also consider Inscryption for this video
And then there's Risk of Rain, which just outright insults you when you die, but that makes it funny.
"DEAD"
"ur ded LOL get rekt"
Great video! Are you finnish by any chance?
Ur amazing I love you pls keep doing amazing things 😘
Good video :)
Great and enjoyable video! I'm just confused about your pfp. What is it? It kind of looks like a Hedgehog but that wouldn't fit the name "ghost limit". Pls explain.
glad you liked it :) it is a hedgehog, not related to the channel name, just something i drew when I created the channel :D
In diablo back in the day if you died you'd lose your entire inventory and gold, so yea dark souls death is no big deal at all
A game where you can't fail is not worth playing, unless the game has some compelling story or offer you an experience (Problem with those game is that you can only truly experience them ONCE which I hate) some games might have a compelling story with twist ups and down that you can experience once but has enough gameplay, content, fun and other stuff to make it fun to replay.
4:00 Interesting games steam is recommending you 🤨
Where are u from ? U sound like u have a finnish accent or something similiar
Where are you originally from? You said in your last video that English isn't your native language...
Definitely from Finland. The accent gives it away
@@Allupertti joo sitä mä vähän aattelin ja sen takii halusin varmistaa siltä
Ready for 500k-750k in about 6-8 months?
3rd like. 2nd comment. keep being a TH-camr.
cool
are you finnish by any change?
Just me or did ur sub count just recently skyrocket? I could have sworn it was 300 a week ago
One of the worst failiure mechanics I've seen is in Psychonauts 2.
This is for one reason, and one reason only.
If I die, I have to reload the entire scene.
Every.
Single.
Time.
The reason it sucks?
The loading screens, at least on PS4 and Xbox One, are so long; like, 15 seconds long!
Don't get me wrong, I understand why: it's probably because the developers didn't want to risk a lot of bugs when trying to reset the scene, or because of RAM limits on older devices.
But still!
At least _try_ to reduce loading screens!
Especially since those were the target platforms, as in the ones the game were meant for.
So, if you want Psychonauts 2, get it on a next-gen system or an ultra-quick hard drive.
I promise you, the experience will be so much better.
just get good
One way to make players to do same repetitive thing without making less checkpoints is by grade system.
Yes, you completed this section of the game, but it took you 16 restarts while you supposed to do it without them, so you get a D, you silly casual.
actually you lose health in ds 2 lol
o7
hehe
How it could be better: git gudder.
lol git gud
you just bad at videogames
It's only bad if you die constantly or lose good chunk of progression due to death. That's why i don't play CoD/Battlefield, it annoys the shit out of me, not to mention 9/10 times you shoot first and you die first because of garbage netcode. Souls games can have similar things, but it's usually depends what game and how long the gap is between going from a to b without save point.
This was really interesting!