I can see either Savathun gifting Eris her throne world post-mortem (which would complete her devotion to the light, since the light is all about giving and the Sword Logic is about taking while acknowledging Eris as the 4th Sister) or Savathun gets rezzed with Eris becoming an advisor (and counter balance) to the Witch Queen, keeping her in check and reminding her that she doesn't have a worm to feed with deception.
So, Eris is totally getting her own Throne World, right? With how many grinders, farmers and no-lifers the Guardians have, i can see her wracking up "tithe" very very quickly. id love to see Eris's Throne World! Maybe we could use it as a refuge if we ever lost Earth to the Witness...
Well, if she would have done this before the Witness turned the Traveler into a psychedelic wormhole or whatever is going on, she could have done what Savathun was trying to do and hid the Traveler away... only she could have taken our alliance and as many animals as possible with her to flee the vengeance of the Witness. Boom. Safe. Except maybe for Neomuna lol. Oops.
@@dropkick3024Hive of note have been known to have their own pocket throne world inside of their gods throne world, basically all standing guardians have left an impression on Savathun's Throne World so it only makes sense Eris' personal Throne World would start in Savathun's until she reached a point that it could be sustained independently.
I feel like Eris’ hatred for the hive itself would prevent her from being fully converted. If anything, she might be able to freely transform into hive mode in the future.
This is what I was thinking. Since Eris lost her light she's been working for the City in more of a support role but if she comes out of this season in one piece it'd be very cool if she were able to transform into Hive God mode at will in the future.
You can hear it in Byf's voice when he's truly into something. This script sent shivers down my spine. Even if the content gets a little stale after the first 6 or so weeks, I am definitely invested in the lore this season.
I think Eris' resolve is strong enough for her to retain her control. I also think part of her wants to give in just a little to savor her vengeance as though it were a delicacy the way that only hive can when receiving their tithes.
thing is, given what we know of the sword logic, she might not *need* to fight off the 'corruption' of her new nature, her own hate for the hive might be exactly what that power demands, but defeating the Witness may in turn free or at least open a path for the hive to break from their cycle of death, genocide and torment. and not only does that go against being 'The God of Vengeance' but it goes against her personal desire to enact revenge. she may face a choice, Defeat the Witness by forgiving the Hive, or doom us all by refusing to forgive. the Witness, of course, could promise her the brutal extinction of the hive and she might have trouble rejecting that offer. whatever choice she makes, it's going to be both awesome and heartbreaking to see play out because i don't think it'll be as simple as 'an external influence pushing her to corruption', it'll be her own pain, her own desire for vengeance, against the good of the universe. and. well. that's a hell of a choice to make when your life is defined by what has been denied to you.
I completely trust Eris will get through this. However, as I think back to “The Dark Future” lore book, I can’t help but remember that Eris became a hive god and attacked the Last City with a bunch of dark guardians. I feel like we should be cautious to prevent another dark future timeline.
Honestly, I feel like our our story is basically a mirror of the Dark Future, turned against the Witness. Things start off the same, but due to various changes from what Elsie remembers, partially thanks to her, we've turned those moments of defeat into moments of triumph for our cause.
There may be a way she could send guardians or lucent hive to battle in the last city… but it not actually be the Dark Future version of these events. IF Xivu succeeded at her same plan since last season - to open a portal to attack the city / the tower.
@@DaSuDanesiI think so, Elsie ensured back in D1 that this timeline was permanently altered to not be the dark future when she lead us on the path to destroy the heart of the black garden.
3:30 there is aalso a line Eris herself says I think after the initial mission or when you meet her in her Hive form for the first time in the Atheneum, where she says herself that she is in this form "as long as she remains in the ritual circle", or something along those lines. Meaning outside the circle she is not.
Here’s a strange theory: Savathun setting eris morn up to be the new leader of the hive. Also, i think that this may also be a lesson for immaru to learn: underestimate humanity at your own peril.
Eris would HATE that with a passion, and yet that would be the best thing that ever happened to the hive because ultimately I can't see Eris succumbing to her desire for revenge to the point of committing genocide. not with us there to pull her back from the edge.
I think that this is a possibility. Savathun is not in the final shape trailers. With the three sisters gone, it would be only logical for one god to remain. After the witness is done with, the hive will need a new purpose and a new way instead the sword logic.
@@Dinnye01I think the 3rd episode ‘Heresy’ will be when we finally kill Xivu Arath. She’s too big a deal to be killed in a seasonal story, but episodes are an unknown right now. At most, this season, we’ll probably just cripple her or banish her to her throne world
I am not worried about Eris’ ascension to the Hive god of Vengence, us tithing to her is a means to an end for the power it gives. I’m worried about the other Hive who may latch unto her and begin to tithing to her and even swearing fealty to her. There’s no going back when an entire brood forms itself around her and starts using her power through their worship. Revenge is a double edged sword, and the Hive know all about swords.
oo that... man, how would she respond to that? imagine being the acolyte of a god that actually loathes you and wants you annihilated... Like, the Lucent ghosts are in a real pickle because they dont have the bond with their hive that ghosts normally have with lightbearers, but damn. that takes it to a whole 'nother level. I don't think she'd care about the power conferred as much as she'd probably wish she'd never had the idea if Hive started tithing to her. and yet she could use that for so much good. in her place i'd be seriously conflicted.
@@Edge-wx7hv that would be a great conflict! Didn’t even think about it from that perspective, I was focused on the Hive using the power not them wanting to actually follow her!
@@jeffy1862yeah they are over used the Vex get knocked onto the floor to get covered up in the bodies of everything else. Every race in the game even the Witness seem to forget the Vex are like a software virus working in the background to kill everything so they are the only and winner last standing. We all take the vex for granted. But they just keep going forward to their end.
Vengeance as her aspect was brilliant choice. It's what Guardians are all about, always have been. Vengeance for Cayde, for the Red Legion's attack on the City, on the Lucent Hive for taking the Traveler, on all the collective forces of Darkness for the Collapse. For the deaths of Eris's original fireteam at Crota's hands, and all those lost during the Great Disaster. For our original deaths before we became Guardians. Vengeance has driven us since day one - there will be no shortage of tithes.
Can we acknowledge the stellar work Morla Gorrondona did as Eris this season? 'Cause it's some of the best voice work I've heard in a while, the delivery of some lines gave me the same goosebumps as when we heard Xivu Arath for the first time last season
I'm kind of sad that what she was trying in haunted didn't really work. For those who don't know what I'm talking about: By helping the other characters in season of the haunted, she was trying to find peace. She even said that she might dare to seek something more: joy. But now she embraces vengeance once again.
I think that that joy is what actually pushed her to do this, she's always been up to do what others didn't want to, but this time she's the one putting her skin on the line, to be willing to do that I think you don't need to have any regrets. Finding happiness and joy maybe moved her to actively protect the people she cares for, even if it gets her killed. Bravery inspires sacrifice and all that.
im ecstatic with this season's story. it's so meaningful for eris and her lore, and it gives me goosebumps to see her name herself the hive god of vengeance
@@jackmcrae6241 Technically she spent over a hundred years in the hellmouth fighting and running from hive as she was completely lightless and unable return from death while the hive searched for her. After which she returned to the tower and guided us to stopping an unstoppable monster from appearing and killing the earth. THEN she helped Ikora by becoming a Hidden, and prepared to save our system from the Taken King by giving Mara knowledge of how to slow him down, then let us 'borrow' her ship so we could actually get close to the ship and give us a beachhead so the ENTIRETY of that expansion could happen in the first place. She's built us multiple weapons and assisted us at every turn facilitating powerful rituals that allow entire seasons to happen (Shadowkeep and Haunted and Witch) while also not falling into the known corrupting powers that hive magic has been proven to have over humanity. Eris is great. Good character. 7/10.
@@fiyesjustfi328 well she was after Elisabeth the second person on our side that used stasis and by doing so using the darkness for humanity if Elisabeth didn’t teach the drifter first which I find unlikely because it was important to help Eris in controlling the darkness so she doesn’t become corrupted by it like in the dark timeline. But that was more Elisabeth’s doing not Eris .
Narratively speaking I think Eris will most likely be able to defy the machinations of Savathun, however, as evidenced by her voice lines with Ikora, she might become a permanent hive god also defying the vanguard’s wishes. She would forge her own path forward after that still being our ally against the witness. Honestly, I feel it would be disappointing for her to return to her normal state at the end of the season otherwise.
I adore how strained and near-hysteric Eris sounds when transformed. Really sells just how much strain it would put on a mortal mind to expose it to power and knowledge intended for beings that live for *billions* of years.
@duo1666 most Guardians are only a few hundred years old or less from the time of their first resurrection - our own is canonically only ten! The oldest among us (Drifter, Saladin, Shaxx) are maybe a thousand or more. This is still vastly insignificant on a scale of billions. And it is confirmed that the oldest Hive are over a billion years old. The only other being we know of (besides the Traveler and the Witness) who has seen timescales of that magnitude is Mara Sov, who spent several billion years creating a pocket universe outside the constraints of our own spacetime.
@@duo1666 there is absolutely a difference. The memories a Guardian accumulated in a thousand years would still be a million times smaller than even a 1 billion year old Hive - and the original three Hive Gods are older than the Sol system.
@@ironladyerimuth Again, guardians are immortal beings, so they would have the same affinity for it the hive do. And memory doesnt work like that anyway. You dont remember and recall every detail of every event. The only real difference would be the perception of time.
My outlandish prediction is Eris has no issues resisting the darkness and maintains her hive side after taking out xivu when it's needed but only for good. This stuns savathun and the two become close with savathun accepting her as a sister and Eris helping her learn to give up her evil ways and potentially even her hive morph. Savathun has no worm, she doesn't have that threat looming over her head anymore if she doesnt get enough tithing.
The transformation might not be meant to be permanent, but I really hope it turns out to be in the end. Let there be consequences. It makes such a better story.
The seasonal armour talks about the transformation between Eris and Eido and Eris tells Eido that she needs not be afraid of her while not in her Hive form Don’t forget she also forged ruinous effigy
I just wanted to say that i love the way your content has progressed and evolved, but this really felt like a “classic” byf lore episode and i loved the mood, tone of voice, etc. Your thoughts are always appreciated but you are a world class story teller
Something about this video just snapped me back to summer of 2015 reading and listening to you talk about the old Hive lore after discovering the world behind the game at the time. This is what made me love Destiny and I'm glad its an important key to finding a way to follow the Witness.
The first time I saw that transformation, I knew this was Eris’s magnum opus. For all these years, whenever the Hive or any arcana thereof was involved, she was there to witness their destruction by our carnivorous hands. Whether in spirit or in person. We know she desires the blood of her enemies as tithes to vengeance and vengeance alone. Eris has finally embraced it and I wouldn’t had it any other way. Let us hope we Guardians steer her in the right direction. To clear away the whispers of the corrupted Dark, and let her fulfill her long-awaited vengeance against the Hive.
I trust Eris like a designated driver who has the least drinks among the group. Something can (and probably will) go wrong on this drive we have before us.
Going back over Papa Byf’s lore dumps always puts me back in Destiny mode. And finding out about a Baldurs Gate 3 I didn’t know about, Papa Byf gives the best bedtime stories.
This was an "Oh shoot" moment when I realized this possibility. In the eyes of the Hive, she'd be the true killer of both Crota and Oryx, while we were just her tools. Imagine if the last push required to gain the power to fight Xivu would be for Eris to claim Oryx's mantle. Savathun anticipated Eris doing this, so far. What if "The Taken King will rise again" refers to Eris claiming his power, and not a reference to the King's Fall raid returning.
@@Catalyst375I don't know exactly how far you want to push it, but the guardians could have used Eris as a tool to defeat Oryx. The Vanguard could have used us as a tool. The traveller could just be using Guardians and so on... Exactly what is the cutoff...
@@jhemp The cut-off is who wanted Oryx dead, and who the Hive view as Oryx's killer. The Lore Record "Poison" has the Hive specify Eris as Oryx's murderer. To them, we are just the knife she used to kill him.
Eris wouldn't want to become the thing she sought to destroy. Besides, we have Oryx's body now remember. That could mean Oryx himself potentially coming back, as opposed to Eris taking the mantle.
If Eris is fed by vengeance, does that mean that anything Xivu does to get back at the Guardian for what they did to Oryx feeds her? Do the killings of Fallen fighting to reclaim the great machine feed her? Where does it end?
As the person above said. The only way to defeat Xivu is with a witch of our own as immaru States but not just any witch, but one who benefits from how Xivu operates. Definitely using the sword logic to counter them. Eris is just in the right time and place for all this to occur especially being fueled by vengeance. I find the only person who trusts her more is Mara
i trust eris, she's been in the back advising, researching, planning, hiding its fitting she's now finally taking the fight to the hive directly id imagine its almost reliving for her
Anyone remember how in the dark futures Elsie has experienced Eris becomes the Witch Queen with Savathun serving her and Eris serving the Witness. This is most likely the form she took in those dark timelines.
This season came in strong. Eris is my favorite right after I knew her story. Whenever she comes in, you know she means business. Love her, love her ark, love her strength.
I've felt like an outsider since starting this game near the end of WQ, that all the good stuff had long passed. It makes me happy to witness this truly amazing new lore.
I trust eris, and I'd even trust her if she became a hive God fully, I think she could truly be able to bring them to heel. I think we could even see a pathway where she brings hive guardians to our side (hopefully even playable in future)
@@agni-kai132 same. hoping that if they ever get on that 'no overdelivery' horse they're sitting on, we might one day get to play as hive, cabal, and fallen lightbearers.
@@agni-kai132Might be copium but playable hive would be so cool. Giving them the halo reach elite treatment and letting us tower over normal guardians. Also strand/stasis hive sound badass
i trust eris completely, she has been an ally ever since the start of destiny she has always done everything to protect humanity, even shaxx says "ghostless and stronger than us all" when talking to saint about her, i think if theres one character that could do this and shake the very foundations of the hive gods overpowering both xivu arath savathun and even the taken king himself, is eris, vengeance is the strongest emotion of all
Willing to bet Savathun is going to come back and recognize Eris as her new “sister”. It’ll work lore wise too with us still fighting Hive Guardians. All that fun sword logic with Savathun and Eris going at it.
completely unrelated but if you are carrying a solar crystal and are on solar warlock (like you are in the videos gameplay), you can cast heatrises for quick hp back to full to keep walking with it in hand
Byf.., I play all your videos with my two kids in the room and I’ve never seen them so captivated and engaged to your story telling. Crazy! And they don’t play destiny.
Now this is getting very interesting, I wasn’t that interested in the hive before but now this has intrigued me and I’m all for it. I cannot wait to see we’re Eris’s journey takes her and us.
Oh... I think i see. Eris is going to Mantle Xivu Arath. In effect, become her. To fight without fighting herself, and thus deny the war Xivu needs, stopping her in a similar way that Rasputin's self destruction stopped her. But she won't defeat Xivu, but hold her permanently in check. But that means Eris is permanently held in check too.
Remember when Eris gets heavily "tithed" and when she started her transformation, she started invoking the names of the Worm Gods, then she chanted the names of her fireteam to restrain the lust of hive and keep her humanity, exactly the same when she was in the Hellmouth, suffering and we were exerting vengeance on her behalf in Shadowkeep in the lore quests of what happened to her fireteam and we were exploring and gathering the ghost shells of her fire team. Eriana!, Vell!, Omar!, Sai!, Toland!. On a side note, the flavour text for Brya's Love weapon, damn you Bungie, that hit hard.
So glad I finally watched this one, I’ve been very busy between work and the family. The lore behind Touch of Malice has been some of my favorite for years. Eris has been my favorite character since Dark Below, I couldn’t be any happier with the story right now 🤍 Thanks for the video man “Let them feel every lash, every curse, every touch of malice that they first dealt to me.”
Eris' transformation. Makes me want a Hive subclass even more! Imagine one where you transform in your super, or your arm covering in chitin for a melee strike
I remember back during "Season of Rasputin" Elsie Brey told Anna Brey that there was a version of the future where Eris accepted the hive power, enjoyed it too much, and took over the universe. I wonder how that plays in.
I did not expect for Eris to go this far but have you all seen a theme going on here? Caityl got Saladin, Asher is in the vex conflux and now Eris is among the hive
The Touch of Malice quote about feeling every touch is one of my favorites from this game. I want to hear Eris read it with all the hate and contempt i know it was written with!
The tragic part is Eris's transformation is a sacrifice in more ways than one. Becoming a Hive God of Vengeance means she's sacrificing her long recovery toward a semblence of peace. From Shadowkeep onward, we've been helping her recover from her trauma, grief, and ability to actually feel peace again. In turn, she's helped others do the same. Now? She's willingly given that up in order to defeat Xivu Arath and a path toward defeating The Witness. In order to that, she now has to return to vengeance and loss. This is actually a bigger character moment than any of us may realize.
5:20 not to mention that Oryx and Savathun are already Hive, so I'm sure their physical ascensions are more akin to a human hitting puberty/growthspurt than Eris' painful and unnatural evolution into her hive god form.
She absolutely has the strength and will power to resist the call of the deep. She has been connected with it for far longer than anyone understands. So she deserves a little vengeance. As a treat 😌
Since Savathun was granted the light, she got our power. If we could be granted the Hive power, it would put us on equal footing. But the Hive power comes from Sword Logic and Sword Logic doesn't give anything; it must be taken. Eris Morn taking Hive magic to even the playing field is a masterful move by Bungie. Well played
During the season of the Seraph i was hoping we would raise Rasputin up to be our god of war and take our offerings away from Xivu Arath. Alas, thats Eris' job.
I was wondering if her throne world was where the Altar of Divination is. If you look into the sky you can see 3 green stars that look like Eris' eyes.
@@sukulmati theres no way she has a throne world that big already. That one scorn from Forsaken killed Cayde-6 and his throne world was about the size of a quarter of a city block.
i just feel bad for drifter the handcannon loretab shows that the 15 seconds he was alone how he is worried about eris but still trust her completely, then he immediately puts the mask back on as the gambit match is starting
By the fact alone that in a ritual, she calls out to her former fireteam members, I'd say that without a sudden twist or external force, she'll not fall. She keeps their memory and what happened to them so close, they're like talismans keeping the deep and hive corruption at bay, at least in my opinion.
Eris has immense strength of will and resolve, and that makes her even more badass. She deserves this moment, and I only hope Eris won't be able subjugated to Savathun's plans.
Even if she isn’t stuck as hive or corrupted by power… we need someone else to keep savathun in check after xivu is gone
I agree if we can take xivu out there would not be another to keep her in check.
I can see either Savathun gifting Eris her throne world post-mortem (which would complete her devotion to the light, since the light is all about giving and the Sword Logic is about taking while acknowledging Eris as the 4th Sister) or Savathun gets rezzed with Eris becoming an advisor (and counter balance) to the Witch Queen, keeping her in check and reminding her that she doesn't have a worm to feed with deception.
I mean we can crush immaru after we rez savathun. She'll be mortal and a very easy kill
@@Jax2777thats some right brutal take, if a logical one
@@Jax2777 this season kinda proves that savathun is still useful even if she isn’t completely trustworthy. I think they’ll keep her around
When it was said that she was a new hive God I literally got goosebumps. Such a good idea on bungos part.
I’m so glad she bacame a hive god
FINALLY SOME GOOD FUCKING LOREEEEEEE
Let’s just hope we don’t have to kill her and make her into a gun 😬
@@SepticEmpiredon't want to crash your party, but it is unlikely that she will die/stay as a hive cos she is a destination vendor
@@Loderyod😂😂😂😂😂
ngl that caught me off guard
@@LoderyodI’m sure they’d be able to replace her with someone
@@Loderyodcayde and amanda were vendors
So, Eris is totally getting her own Throne World, right? With how many grinders, farmers and no-lifers the Guardians have, i can see her wracking up "tithe" very very quickly. id love to see Eris's Throne World! Maybe we could use it as a refuge if we ever lost Earth to the Witness...
Im pretty sure the portal in the helm is a portal into Eris’s throne world.
Her eyes can be seen in the sky
@@jessesmith4350it says it's a place in Savathun's Throne World in the bottom left corner when you cross the portal
D3 spoilers
Well, if she would have done this before the Witness turned the Traveler into a psychedelic wormhole or whatever is going on, she could have done what Savathun was trying to do and hid the Traveler away... only she could have taken our alliance and as many animals as possible with her to flee the vengeance of the Witness. Boom. Safe. Except maybe for Neomuna lol. Oops.
@@dropkick3024Hive of note have been known to have their own pocket throne world inside of their gods throne world, basically all standing guardians have left an impression on Savathun's Throne World so it only makes sense Eris' personal Throne World would start in Savathun's until she reached a point that it could be sustained independently.
I feel like Eris’ hatred for the hive itself would prevent her from being fully converted. If anything, she might be able to freely transform into hive mode in the future.
the transformation is going to be like her super
A hive devil trigger. I want one.
@@AwesomeJalapenonice comparison to Devil May Cry
@@jsmaster4779 We pretty much do the same thing Dante does to bosses. Turn them into weapons.
This is what I was thinking. Since Eris lost her light she's been working for the City in more of a support role but if she comes out of this season in one piece it'd be very cool if she were able to transform into Hive God mode at will in the future.
I can see her "giving in" (not for the power itself, but the feeling of vengeance), and Drifter being the one to pull her back from the edge.
it's possible you *can't* become a god of something if you aren't 100 percent personally invested or even defined by it already.
same, the “I’m not alone” line that she tells ikora to pass on to elsie is a clear drifter referance.
You can hear it in Byf's voice when he's truly into something. This script sent shivers down my spine. Even if the content gets a little stale after the first 6 or so weeks, I am definitely invested in the lore this season.
I think Eris' resolve is strong enough for her to retain her control. I also think part of her wants to give in just a little to savor her vengeance as though it were a delicacy the way that only hive can when receiving their tithes.
thing is, given what we know of the sword logic, she might not *need* to fight off the 'corruption' of her new nature, her own hate for the hive might be exactly what that power demands, but defeating the Witness may in turn free or at least open a path for the hive to break from their cycle of death, genocide and torment. and not only does that go against being 'The God of Vengeance' but it goes against her personal desire to enact revenge. she may face a choice, Defeat the Witness by forgiving the Hive, or doom us all by refusing to forgive. the Witness, of course, could promise her the brutal extinction of the hive and she might have trouble rejecting that offer.
whatever choice she makes, it's going to be both awesome and heartbreaking to see play out because i don't think it'll be as simple as 'an external influence pushing her to corruption', it'll be her own pain, her own desire for vengeance, against the good of the universe. and. well. that's a hell of a choice to make when your life is defined by what has been denied to you.
Her turning into a hive god gave me goosebumps. She’s pretty fricken scary.
and the perfect flavor of badass for her
I completely trust Eris will get through this. However, as I think back to “The Dark Future” lore book, I can’t help but remember that Eris became a hive god and attacked the Last City with a bunch of dark guardians. I feel like we should be cautious to prevent another dark future timeline.
Honestly, I feel like our our story is basically a mirror of the Dark Future, turned against the Witness. Things start off the same, but due to various changes from what Elsie remembers, partially thanks to her, we've turned those moments of defeat into moments of triumph for our cause.
There may be a way she could send guardians or lucent hive to battle in the last city… but it not actually be the Dark Future version of these events. IF Xivu succeeded at her same plan since last season - to open a portal to attack the city / the tower.
@EliteBlackSash could see her gaining support from lucent hive, and other gaurdians. To defend the city it attacked by the forces of the witness.
Yes!! This! I just got a new lore page yesterday and Elsie is pissed about this.
@@DaSuDanesiI think so, Elsie ensured back in D1 that this timeline was permanently altered to not be the dark future when she lead us on the path to destroy the heart of the black garden.
3:30 there is aalso a line Eris herself says I think after the initial mission or when you meet her in her Hive form for the first time in the Atheneum, where she says herself that she is in this form "as long as she remains in the ritual circle", or something along those lines. Meaning outside the circle she is not.
Nah can’t be right because we literally see her constantly outside the ritual circle in the activities
@@Cumbernumb I think she mentions that the Altars is the one other spot strong enough in the tithes to her and Hive magic to allow it.
@@Cumbernumbwe literally summon her in the activity in order to give her our tithes, so in that activity she's also in another summoning circle
Here’s a strange theory: Savathun setting eris morn up to be the new leader of the hive. Also, i think that this may also be a lesson for immaru to learn: underestimate humanity at your own peril.
Eris would HATE that with a passion, and yet that would be the best thing that ever happened to the hive because ultimately I can't see Eris succumbing to her desire for revenge to the point of committing genocide. not with us there to pull her back from the edge.
I think that this is a possibility. Savathun is not in the final shape trailers.
With the three sisters gone, it would be only logical for one god to remain. After the witness is done with, the hive will need a new purpose and a new way instead the sword logic.
@@Dinnye01I think the 3rd episode ‘Heresy’ will be when we finally kill Xivu Arath. She’s too big a deal to be killed in a seasonal story, but episodes are an unknown right now.
At most, this season, we’ll probably just cripple her or banish her to her throne world
I am not worried about Eris’ ascension to the Hive god of Vengence, us tithing to her is a means to an end for the power it gives. I’m worried about the other Hive who may latch unto her and begin to tithing to her and even swearing fealty to her. There’s no going back when an entire brood forms itself around her and starts using her power through their worship. Revenge is a double edged sword, and the Hive know all about swords.
oo that... man, how would she respond to that?
imagine being the acolyte of a god that actually loathes you and wants you annihilated...
Like, the Lucent ghosts are in a real pickle because they dont have the bond with their hive that ghosts normally have with lightbearers, but damn. that takes it to a whole 'nother level.
I don't think she'd care about the power conferred as much as she'd probably wish she'd never had the idea if Hive started tithing to her.
and yet she could use that for so much good.
in her place i'd be seriously conflicted.
This is some of the coolest shit I've heard for destiny! I hope this happens!
What a truly wicked idea!
@@Edge-wx7hv that would be a great conflict! Didn’t even think about it from that perspective, I was focused on the Hive using the power not them wanting to actually follow her!
Imagine having knights and acolytes in the tower like the cabal and fallen are
The hive have always been for me personally my favorite faction of the destiny world and I am beyond excited to be an acolyte of our friend.
I think they’re over used personally, but I do think this god of vengeance thing is pretty cool.
@@jeffy1862 The vex and hive have been the biggest threats to us since day 1. It makes sense they'd be "overused"
@@jeffy1862yeah they are over used the Vex get knocked onto the floor to get covered up in the bodies of everything else. Every race in the game even the Witness seem to forget the Vex are like a software virus working in the background to kill everything so they are the only and winner last standing. We all take the vex for granted. But they just keep going forward to their end.
I can't put into words how hype it made me hearing that Eris actually became the full-on fourth Hive God
Fifth by technicality. But everyone forgets our boi Crota.
Gods can’t be beaten by Ethernet cords
Vengeance as her aspect was brilliant choice. It's what Guardians are all about, always have been. Vengeance for Cayde, for the Red Legion's attack on the City, on the Lucent Hive for taking the Traveler, on all the collective forces of Darkness for the Collapse. For the deaths of Eris's original fireteam at Crota's hands, and all those lost during the Great Disaster. For our original deaths before we became Guardians. Vengeance has driven us since day one - there will be no shortage of tithes.
Can we acknowledge the stellar work Morla Gorrondona did as Eris this season? 'Cause it's some of the best voice work I've heard in a while, the delivery of some lines gave me the same goosebumps as when we heard Xivu Arath for the first time last season
I'm kind of sad that what she was trying in haunted didn't really work. For those who don't know what I'm talking about: By helping the other characters in season of the haunted, she was trying to find peace. She even said that she might dare to seek something more: joy. But now she embraces vengeance once again.
I think that that joy is what actually pushed her to do this, she's always been up to do what others didn't want to, but this time she's the one putting her skin on the line, to be willing to do that I think you don't need to have any regrets. Finding happiness and joy maybe moved her to actively protect the people she cares for, even if it gets her killed. Bravery inspires sacrifice and all that.
im ecstatic with this season's story. it's so meaningful for eris and her lore, and it gives me goosebumps to see her name herself the hive god of vengeance
So far Eris has displayed an unshakeable will to stand against to powers of the darkness she has my complete trust.
When has she done that she’s done like 4 things in the entire franchise
@@jackmcrae6241 Technically she spent over a hundred years in the hellmouth fighting and running from hive as she was completely lightless and unable return from death while the hive searched for her. After which she returned to the tower and guided us to stopping an unstoppable monster from appearing and killing the earth. THEN she helped Ikora by becoming a Hidden, and prepared to save our system from the Taken King by giving Mara knowledge of how to slow him down, then let us 'borrow' her ship so we could actually get close to the ship and give us a beachhead so the ENTIRETY of that expansion could happen in the first place. She's built us multiple weapons and assisted us at every turn facilitating powerful rituals that allow entire seasons to happen (Shadowkeep and Haunted and Witch) while also not falling into the known corrupting powers that hive magic has been proven to have over humanity.
Eris is great. Good character. 7/10.
@@fiyesjustfi328wasn’t she also involved in the events of beyond light and stasis ? I mean It was mostly the exo stranger but she was also there .
@@readingfreak8808 Yep! She was there too and while she wasn't a HUGE influence was important in some small ways.
@@fiyesjustfi328 well she was after Elisabeth the second person on our side that used stasis and by doing so using the darkness for humanity if Elisabeth didn’t teach the drifter first which I find unlikely because it was important to help Eris in controlling the darkness so she doesn’t become corrupted by it like in the dark timeline. But that was more Elisabeth’s doing not Eris .
Narratively speaking I think Eris will most likely be able to defy the machinations of Savathun, however, as evidenced by her voice lines with Ikora, she might become a permanent hive god also defying the vanguard’s wishes. She would forge her own path forward after that still being our ally against the witness. Honestly, I feel it would be disappointing for her to return to her normal state at the end of the season otherwise.
Keep up the awesome work Byf! Cheers from Brazil!
I adore how strained and near-hysteric Eris sounds when transformed. Really sells just how much strain it would put on a mortal mind to expose it to power and knowledge intended for beings that live for *billions* of years.
Guardians can already live indefinitely as-is, so that wouldnt really change much.
@duo1666 most Guardians are only a few hundred years old or less from the time of their first resurrection - our own is canonically only ten! The oldest among us (Drifter, Saladin, Shaxx) are maybe a thousand or more. This is still vastly insignificant on a scale of billions. And it is confirmed that the oldest Hive are over a billion years old. The only other being we know of (besides the Traveler and the Witness) who has seen timescales of that magnitude is Mara Sov, who spent several billion years creating a pocket universe outside the constraints of our own spacetime.
@@mozeytown Sure, its less than billions, but we still have that capacity, so there wouldnt really be any difference.
@@duo1666 there is absolutely a difference. The memories a Guardian accumulated in a thousand years would still be a million times smaller than even a 1 billion year old Hive - and the original three Hive Gods are older than the Sol system.
@@ironladyerimuth Again, guardians are immortal beings, so they would have the same affinity for it the hive do. And memory doesnt work like that anyway. You dont remember and recall every detail of every event. The only real difference would be the perception of time.
Can't wait to see Drifters' opinion on what "moondust" has been doing
My outlandish prediction is Eris has no issues resisting the darkness and maintains her hive side after taking out xivu when it's needed but only for good. This stuns savathun and the two become close with savathun accepting her as a sister and Eris helping her learn to give up her evil ways and potentially even her hive morph. Savathun has no worm, she doesn't have that threat looming over her head anymore if she doesnt get enough tithing.
Calling it now: the 'Heresy' chapter is about Eris becoming a hive god permanently, being evil and us having to deal with her.
The transformation might not be meant to be permanent, but I really hope it turns out to be in the end. Let there be consequences. It makes such a better story.
Anyone else getting that feeling that this is probably what Eris looked like in the Dark Future lore book?
The seasonal armour talks about the transformation between Eris and Eido and Eris tells Eido that she needs not be afraid of her while not in her Hive form
Don’t forget she also forged ruinous effigy
And touch of malice
As someone who kept their box of raisins, it's great seeing how far Eris has come as a character.
I just wanted to say that i love the way your content has progressed and evolved, but this really felt like a “classic” byf lore episode and i loved the mood, tone of voice, etc. Your thoughts are always appreciated but you are a world class story teller
Something about this video just snapped me back to summer of 2015 reading and listening to you talk about the old Hive lore after discovering the world behind the game at the time. This is what made me love Destiny and I'm glad its an important key to finding a way to follow the Witness.
As soon as Eris transformed, I immediately thought of the Dark Future lore.
Drifter now has a relationship with a Hive God, let that sink in.
Eris: "I used the hive god to destroy the hive god"
The first time I saw that transformation, I knew this was Eris’s magnum opus. For all these years, whenever the Hive or any arcana thereof was involved, she was there to witness their destruction by our carnivorous hands. Whether in spirit or in person. We know she desires the blood of her enemies as tithes to vengeance and vengeance alone. Eris has finally embraced it and I wouldn’t had it any other way. Let us hope we Guardians steer her in the right direction. To clear away the whispers of the corrupted Dark, and let her fulfill her long-awaited vengeance against the Hive.
Eventually, she might even get the Hive to heel. And the Hive will not be able to stop her or risk her growing stronger.
I trust Eris like a designated driver who has the least drinks among the group. Something can (and probably will) go wrong on this drive we have before us.
Going back over Papa Byf’s lore dumps always puts me back in Destiny mode. And finding out about a Baldurs Gate 3 I didn’t know about, Papa Byf gives the best bedtime stories.
thanks byf! haven’t been this excited for destiny in a little bit, but I am SO excited
At least we got a God on our side now it’s a good change of pace from killing them
As an aside because so many folks are saying this: 100% A+ this video and Byf's enthusiasm gave me chills over and over. What a joy.
So glad to be excited about Destiny again and these videos feel like a celebration of this fun time as a fan.
Xivu Arath: Just who the hell are you supposed to be?
Eris: I AM VENGEANCE.
"Something in the Way..."
Wonder if Eris could become a new taken king given the voices of the deep are whispering to her
This was an "Oh shoot" moment when I realized this possibility. In the eyes of the Hive, she'd be the true killer of both Crota and Oryx, while we were just her tools.
Imagine if the last push required to gain the power to fight Xivu would be for Eris to claim Oryx's mantle. Savathun anticipated Eris doing this, so far. What if "The Taken King will rise again" refers to Eris claiming his power, and not a reference to the King's Fall raid returning.
@@Catalyst375my thoughts exactly
@@Catalyst375I don't know exactly how far you want to push it, but the guardians could have used Eris as a tool to defeat Oryx. The Vanguard could have used us as a tool. The traveller could just be using Guardians and so on... Exactly what is the cutoff...
@@jhemp The cut-off is who wanted Oryx dead, and who the Hive view as Oryx's killer. The Lore Record "Poison" has the Hive specify Eris as Oryx's murderer. To them, we are just the knife she used to kill him.
Eris wouldn't want to become the thing she sought to destroy. Besides, we have Oryx's body now remember. That could mean Oryx himself potentially coming back, as opposed to Eris taking the mantle.
If Eris is fed by vengeance, does that mean that anything Xivu does to get back at the Guardian for what they did to Oryx feeds her? Do the killings of Fallen fighting to reclaim the great machine feed her? Where does it end?
That's likely the intention. Force Xivu Arath to fight a foe who she, herself, empowers in equal turn.
As the person above said. The only way to defeat Xivu is with a witch of our own as immaru States but not just any witch, but one who benefits from how Xivu operates. Definitely using the sword logic to counter them. Eris is just in the right time and place for all this to occur especially being fueled by vengeance. I find the only person who trusts her more is Mara
this gave me chills Byf cant wait too see how this season unfolds
i trust eris, she's been in the back advising, researching, planning, hiding its fitting she's now finally taking the fight to the hive directly id imagine its almost reliving for her
Anyone remember how in the dark futures Elsie has experienced Eris becomes the Witch Queen with Savathun serving her and Eris serving the Witness. This is most likely the form she took in those dark timelines.
My man just pumping out content. love it
This season came in strong. Eris is my favorite right after I knew her story. Whenever she comes in, you know she means business. Love her, love her ark, love her strength.
as an Eris stan for almost 9 years now, let me just say: THIS IS SO FUCKING COOL
I've felt like an outsider since starting this game near the end of WQ, that all the good stuff had long passed. It makes me happy to witness this truly amazing new lore.
Im ready for more lore dadddy by byf this season seems so promising
I trust eris, and I'd even trust her if she became a hive God fully, I think she could truly be able to bring them to heel. I think we could even see a pathway where she brings hive guardians to our side (hopefully even playable in future)
Nah, youre coping. Making fully new Playable races is too much effort for "No overdelivery" bungie.
@@markricheard1870 damn straight I am, I don't even play it and I'm not till a new playable race is added, so yeah I'm kinda coping lol
@@agni-kai132 same. hoping that if they ever get on that 'no overdelivery' horse they're sitting on, we might one day get to play as hive, cabal, and fallen lightbearers.
@@agni-kai132Might be copium but playable hive would be so cool. Giving them the halo reach elite treatment and letting us tower over normal guardians. Also strand/stasis hive sound badass
i trust eris completely, she has been an ally ever since the start of destiny she has always done everything to protect humanity, even shaxx says "ghostless and stronger than us all" when talking to saint about her, i think if theres one character that could do this and shake the very foundations of the hive gods overpowering both xivu arath savathun and even the taken king himself, is eris, vengeance is the strongest emotion of all
Willing to bet Savathun is going to come back and recognize Eris as her new “sister”.
It’ll work lore wise too with us still fighting Hive Guardians. All that fun sword logic with Savathun and Eris going at it.
I really wish in all this we could take a leaf out of the drifter's book and place a remote charge in Immaru's shell as some kind of insurance
completely unrelated but if you are carrying a solar crystal and are on solar warlock (like you are in the videos gameplay), you can cast heatrises for quick hp back to full to keep walking with it in hand
Eris Morn and Sjur Eido are my favourite characters all throughout the story
Byf.., I play all your videos with my two kids in the room and I’ve never seen them so captivated and engaged to your story telling. Crazy! And they don’t play destiny.
Now this is getting very interesting, I wasn’t that interested in the hive before but now this has intrigued me and I’m all for it. I cannot wait to see we’re Eris’s journey takes her and us.
Cayde 6 called it that Eris would become a god!
I'd like to see Drifter and Eris talk later in the season
The fusions lore tab is interesting because the hive are the embodiment of self fulfilling ideal. The fact that I'm in between xivu and eris is cool
The line “Let us show them what it is to be Hive” is such a good line
Seeing Eris ascending into godhood is absolutely game changing in the story narrative. She has suffered way worse than any guardian.
When Immaru said welcome to the hive my first thought was this is sooo fire
Eris tearing the veil from her eyes is such a powerful visual I'm so proud of her
I am really proud of the big swings Eris is taking, but I keep on thinking about the dark timeline iteration where she became the big bad.
Oh... I think i see.
Eris is going to Mantle Xivu Arath. In effect, become her. To fight without fighting herself, and thus deny the war Xivu needs, stopping her in a similar way that Rasputin's self destruction stopped her.
But she won't defeat Xivu, but hold her permanently in check.
But that means Eris is permanently held in check too.
I loved how you ended the video looping the contents of it back into "every touch of malice"
Didn't Cayde mention something about Eris becoming a Hive God in his recording in the Cayde's Stash mission?
this is the best seasonal story BY FAR ALREADY
This season was definitely a cool and interesting idea from narrative stand point like how Eris is being godly.
Remember when Eris gets heavily "tithed" and when she started her transformation, she started invoking the names of the Worm Gods, then she chanted the names of her fireteam to restrain the lust of hive and keep her humanity, exactly the same when she was in the Hellmouth, suffering and we were exerting vengeance on her behalf in Shadowkeep in the lore quests of what happened to her fireteam and we were exploring and gathering the ghost shells of her fire team. Eriana!, Vell!, Omar!, Sai!, Toland!.
On a side note, the flavour text for Brya's Love weapon, damn you Bungie, that hit hard.
So glad I finally watched this one, I’ve been very busy between work and the family. The lore behind Touch of Malice has been some of my favorite for years.
Eris has been my favorite character since Dark Below, I couldn’t be any happier with the story right now 🤍 Thanks for the video man
“Let them feel every lash, every curse, every touch of malice that they first dealt to me.”
My greatest fear is losing Eris after we’ve had all this wonderful development from her.
Eris should die after this season cuz she’d be like one of the first characters to die that we actually kinda care ab
Seeing her symbol next to the symbols of Savathun, Oryx, and Xivu on the new yearbook is so fucking fire
Eris has always been the Queen. Now she looks the part
Eris' transformation. Makes me want a Hive subclass even more! Imagine one where you transform in your super, or your arm covering in chitin for a melee strike
I love the vibe of “Eris are you sure this is a good idea?”
“Yeah I dunno probably”
“Wait you’re not certain?!!”
*turns into hive god*
I remember back during "Season of Rasputin" Elsie Brey told Anna Brey that there was a version of the future where Eris accepted the hive power, enjoyed it too much, and took over the universe. I wonder how that plays in.
I did not expect for Eris to go this far but have you all seen a theme going on here? Caityl got Saladin, Asher is in the vex conflux and now Eris is among the hive
And Saint is now a Fallen bro.
The Touch of Malice quote about feeling every touch is one of my favorites from this game. I want to hear Eris read it with all the hate and contempt i know it was written with!
Been waiting for this🔥🔥
The tragic part is Eris's transformation is a sacrifice in more ways than one. Becoming a Hive God of Vengeance means she's sacrificing her long recovery toward a semblence of peace.
From Shadowkeep onward, we've been helping her recover from her trauma, grief, and ability to actually feel peace again. In turn, she's helped others do the same.
Now? She's willingly given that up in order to defeat Xivu Arath and a path toward defeating The Witness. In order to that, she now has to return to vengeance and loss.
This is actually a bigger character moment than any of us may realize.
I think shes just one of those characters that doesnt get a break. So much for dinners with drifter lol
The moment I heard that the transformation wasn't permanent I verbally said "phew"
Appreciate that info drop and hindsight Byf
5:20 not to mention that Oryx and Savathun are already Hive, so I'm sure their physical ascensions are more akin to a human hitting puberty/growthspurt than Eris' painful and unnatural evolution into her hive god form.
She absolutely has the strength and will power to resist the call of the deep. She has been connected with it for far longer than anyone understands. So she deserves a little vengeance. As a treat 😌
Since Savathun was granted the light, she got our power. If we could be granted the Hive power, it would put us on equal footing. But the Hive power comes from Sword Logic and Sword Logic doesn't give anything; it must be taken. Eris Morn taking Hive magic to even the playing field is a masterful move by Bungie. Well played
Forever the lore king...still missing out on the lore of Bunghole Tavern. ❤
That narrative hasn't made me this happy since the end of Seraph, cannot wait to see the rest of the road to Final Shape
During the season of the Seraph i was hoping we would raise Rasputin up to be our god of war and take our offerings away from Xivu Arath. Alas, thats Eris' job.
People are forgetting that now shes a Hive god, shes going to have her own throne world after this season if she doesn't have one already.
I was wondering if her throne world was where the Altar of Divination is. If you look into the sky you can see 3 green stars that look like Eris' eyes.
@@sukulmati theres no way she has a throne world that big already. That one scorn from Forsaken killed Cayde-6 and his throne world was about the size of a quarter of a city block.
@@PhantomJedi-kq3nv True. But maybe she's been working on it for longer than she let on and I don't know where else that area might be located at.
@@sukulmati she only just now became a full on Hive god so idk how she could've been working on it until the start of the season.
@@PhantomJedi-kq3nv The Scorn wasn't a hive god and neither is Mara Sov. Being a god isn't a prerequisite.
Amazing video as always!
i just feel bad for drifter the handcannon loretab shows that the 15 seconds he was alone how he is worried about eris but still trust her completely, then he immediately puts the mask back on as the gambit match is starting
By the fact alone that in a ritual, she calls out to her former fireteam members, I'd say that without a sudden twist or external force, she'll not fall. She keeps their memory and what happened to them so close, they're like talismans keeping the deep and hive corruption at bay, at least in my opinion.
Eris has immense strength of will and resolve, and that makes her even more badass. She deserves this moment, and I only hope Eris won't be able subjugated to Savathun's plans.
I love imaru so much. Wish we had more characters like him willing to talk shit to us still.
wonder if shes gonna take the ghost rider route and through character development, she changes her title to the god of justice
I am here for Hive God Eris, fuck yeah.
I missed part of the showcase so saw it in-game for first time and that was such a cool moment
This season is gonna be good. I can’t wait for this lore