Can we all just take a moment to praise Roman for being open and honest with his mom about all this? Being 13 and having all this occur must’ve taken a toll on him, I hope he’s doing well
If OP can, she should definitely ask Roman to go into therapy. He definitely seems like a kid that will take well, especially based on his relationship with his mother. Puberty's a hard time, and learning your father figure is grooming you is an unimaginable road block in emotional development for a boy.
@@eyebrowsj2243 She said she’s working as a waitress/needing shelter so I doubt it but I reeeeally hope through the courts they are able to grant him some type of gov assistance yk
Naturally... because they assume the single mother will want her son to have a male role model to look up to. At first I wanted to cut this guy some slack thinking that maybe he just never thought about having kids and then suddenly realized what he was missing and got too involved. But no, the missing laundry tells a tale.
It's worse when the kid is their own. The ways they manipulate their way out of situations like custody court cases and the lengths they'll go is serious mental gymnastics. Very slimy individuals to say the least.
If I were a father and my kid was being stalked and predated, I would go absolutely fucking PSYCHO. Think of Kratos during Spartan Rage, but multiplied by 1,000.
The story has an update: David stalked them to their hotel, showed up at sports games, and created more accounts on Instagram trying to message Roman. OP has been to the police, gotten a RO for her and her son, sister is still sticking by her husband, and the account was deleted (hopefully bc of legal advice to delete it for court). He could end up getting up to five years in prison, maybe even more since a minor is involved. Roman is doing alright but this is taking a toll on his mental health. In terms of the case, they are now requesting a warrant of arrest with the clerk of the court. If this is granted, then David will be arrested and charged with Lewd and Lascivious Behavior, Harassment, and Stalking.
Ok, I was groomed as a child and I can say with 1000% certainty that this man has a seriously drak side. Hopefully the sister pulls her head out of her ass and sees what he truly is before he hurts some innocent child
I was too at 15. Okay, not exactly, but basically some guy was asking for videos of me p33ing and stuff like that. This was on MeWe and this is why I closed my accounts multiple times on there.
The sister isn't going anywhere. Based off the post, it seems to me the sister is either delusional, or actually already knew something twisted about David this whole time and in delusional fashion, got it in her head that she could change him somehow (probably thru Roman if she knew David was a predator). This could explain why she was blaming her sister for his demeanor shifting again AFTER she left the house with her son.
@Comitlight468 Sounds like a red flag. Thank goddess OP and her son got out. They should get a restraining order against David so he won't go near Roman anymore.
she wont sadl;y, because some ppl are too stupid to see the signs even when its pointed out ()not those being groomed as they belive its normal) but other adults and such that KNOW BETTER
OP’s sister is terrifying. She’s a victim blamer, gaslighter, and an apologist. How can you be so hostile towards your own sister after she tells you your bf was watching your nephew sleep? That your kid lost clothes only AFTER the bf does your nephew’s laundry? The constant texting? Who gets mad at a 13 year old for not responding to texts WHILE THEY’RE AT SCHOOL???? And the messaging like a desperate ex??? This absolutely a predator! He put a child’s underwear in his pillow case to fall asleep to the smell. Let’s hope he dies in prison
A predator. He's a predator n she's in denial. David stalked them to their hotel while thinking Mum was out n tried to gain entry. He then showed up at sports games despite being told not to do so. Sister is still in denial n is sticking by him, claiming OPs history of Bipolar is to blame (so shes in heavy denial and is victim shaming). They're getting an arrest warrant for him bc she went to the police. He could face up to 5yrs in prison on charges of stalking harassment and lascivious behavior towards a minor. OP also got approved for public housing.
Honestly, when David started crying after she calmly approached him. I saw that as he’s guilty AF. His reaction alone just showed that he got caught and panicked.
I don’t think so. Or else things would’ve been happening sooner Also it’s kinda weird how the sister won’t believe it even though she has been verbally abused like wtf
@Matty Bruno Lucas Zenere Salas the reason it didn't happen sooner is because David was always either gone or locked in his room. The first time he met Roman and realised he was there he became obsessed, as if this were his chance to live out his fantasies. Also, I'm pretty sure the sister knows, but she's in denial about it, a very common reaction from the partners of predators.
there were a couple of updates to this story. OP went to the cops and they took the situation very seriously and started working pretty fast on it. David ended up SHOWING UP to OPs motel room late at night and knocked on their door like a minute after OP left to buy something at a store around the corner, but luckily she heard the knocking and ran back and confronted David. he said that he wanted to talk to her, but it was obvious that he waited for her to leave before knocking so his excuse was BS. anyway, the legal investigation continued but OP eventually deleted her account and people aren't sure why.
She was probably advised not to talk about the legal case on social media by her lawyer, because if the case falls through for any reason, David will be able to sue her for defamatory libel.
You’re not really supposed to post online about an active court case/ongoing investigation. She was most likely advised by a lawyer or other professional to take it down and hold off on updates until the whole thing is done and over with. Hopefully she’ll come back with updates some day and tell us that she and Roman are safe and that David got what was coming to him, whatever that may be.
@@Veldrusara Not being able to prove guilt doesn't mean that you can be convicted of slander. The cases you've probably heard of where the accuser got sued successfully are when it was proven that they were lying. Convictions can fail because of lack of sufficient evidence, not just because a witness lied.
Wow. That escalated quickly. Before the bedroom thing, I was like, "well, that's kind of weird, but could be innocent, and men get assumptions made about them all the time for talking to kids." After that, I was fully on board team "Go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200".
David is definitely grooming Roman. When he does plan to abuse Roman, the poor boy would feel guilt for being upset with someone who was so “generous” to him. So proud of that brave boy for being transparent with his mother. Most young boys would be too scared. Let’s also praise this mother for putting her son first even when she could become homeless.
As a 32 year old guy who has a female roommate who has a 13 year old daughter if they suddenly accuse me of that I'd be horrified and would be making IMMEDIATE preparations to move them out
@@caolanochearnaigh9804 being accused of sexually harassing someone is horrible and scary. And it's 10x worse with a minor. Imagine if those charges stick. You have to notify people you are on the registry, you're a social pariah, and you can never feel comfortable speaking with kids. It's an ultimate life ender. Plus, you could get beaten up and harassed for the rest of your life. All for something you never did.
@@forestgoody6166 WTF? I'm outlining how scummy sticking someone with false charges is, and you're telling me not to act like that filthy insect David? The hell did I do?
That first part of the story.......Could the son be up texting his friends LATE at night, out of fear of not wanting to be alone? Did he tell his friends certain things he isn't telling his mother? I honestly wonder considering that OP said that David was in his room at night,standing over him,with the door closed all the way.... No normal person does that .....
(update to that story from another commentor ) The story has an update: David stalked them to their hotel, showed up at sports games, and created more accounts on Instagram trying to message Roman. OP has been to the police, gotten a RO for her and her son, sister is still sticking by her husband, and the account was deleted (hopefully bc of legal advice to delete it for court). He could end up getting up to five years in prison, maybe even more since a minor is involved. Roman is doing alright but this is taking a toll on his mental health. In terms of the case, they are now requesting a warrant of arrest with the clerk of the court. If this is granted, then David will be arrested and charged with Lewd and Lascivious Behavior, Harassment, and Stalking.
I'm pretty sure my entire household could hear me screaming "THIS IS GROOMING" for the entire first section.... and the MOMENT OP mentioned missing clothing, I screeched "IT'S UNDER HIS PILLOW, I WOULD BET MY *LIFE* ON IT," not realizing she was going to actually freaking find it later.... I've never been so horrified to be right in my life. 😢 I think the one thing that wasn't said that I was left with in the end, is that..... this is Sarah's NEPHEW we're talking about. Not just a friend's kid or anything like that, where she could have an (albeit terrible) excuse for some emotional distancing from the victim here. *He is her nephew.* I would throw myself in front of a moving train to save my nephew from harm, what is WRONG with her?! There's IRREFUTABLE evidence. The video, his DNA, PERIOD. It's really quite simple in the end. She has NO EXCUSE for choosing her P E D O HUSBAND over her innocent, WONDERFUL nephew here. I mean I know moms will always make their kid sound stellar and all, but what we know about Roman makes it clear just how lovely a person he is, because he was raised by the same type of person. I was so relieved to hear how amazingly OP handled the conversations with everyone, but especially him -- he obviously has complete trust in his mom, she even let him say no to deleting snapchat as long as he followed their compromise rules, these two have a dream relationship tbh, usually 13 year olds are the literal worst. 😂 I hope she can get him the help he needs to support his mental health. This will definitely affect how he trusts (or doesn't) any people in his future, and I'm sure he feels a lot of shame, embarrassment, and sadness. I hope one day he will truly believe that none of this was his fault, because it wasn't. And OP did her best too. What a trip this one was, wow. 😭
I'm SO glad OP went with her gut. As someone who had a mother that didnt go with her gut and suffered the consequences I'm so glad her son didnt have to be put in a dangerous situation. It took YEARS for me to forgive my mom and caused alot of issues, it almost broke our relationship because I hated her with a passion and had no issues showing it. It also hurt my mom alot, she began drinking and is only just now getting help, 7 years after I fully forgave her and stopped holding resentment. For both their sakes I'm so glad OP spoke up, even if it was a false call I'm glad she put her son first
I'm so sorry that happened to you. It's good to hear you and your mother are finally healing. I can only imagine the guilt and the horrible anger at someone failing to protect you.
I’m so sorry you had to deal with that. That’s awful. I hope you’re doing well now. Forgiving your mother must have been incredibly difficult and being able to do so is a testament to your character.
I still didn't forgive my dad. His own dad groomed and mol-ed me for several years, and no one was any the wiser. When I finally told my dad at the age of 18 he was like "You better not tell anyone this or no one will marry you." and "so what are you going to do? Arrest my dad? he's an old man!" I said "yeah if my dad-you- did this to my child I would kill you and have no regrets." He ended up not doing anything and not facing his dad. His dad died a couple years ago, with his death, died the justice for my 12 year old self. My dad told me I should've told him when I was 12, but like I was a kid who didn't know any better... and that made me blame my 12 year old self for a while.
@@meggiemills3602 See I was lucky enough to have an older brother I could tell and he handed telling the adults. That's a big part of why relationships were ruined, the aftermath. Being told, "It was just a mistake, dont need to tell anyone!" "It was handed in the family" and what my disgusting excuse for an aunt said was even worse that I refuse to even call her a relative. I was able to speak up when I was 11 and nothing was done until school found out, I couldn't imagine holding it in for 7 years and when you finally speak up you're shamed/silenced
@Queen Cars Families who protect abusers just to keep the family secrets or because (they are family!) Are gross!!!!!!! They let the victims suffer to protect themselves. Every single perp out there is someone's family and family should NEVER protect the criminal. Ugh (ya I have family trauma too)
I legit teared up when the kid blamed himself for not noticing what he was doing but the mom comforted him and told him it wasn’t his fault. In that same situation I was blamed for not noticing sooner and I felt so alone an awful. I don’t blame the mom for being cautious first. I am so glad she is doing all she can for her son now in such a sickening situation.
I'm really sorry you went through that ❤ none of what happened was your fault. You probably already know this, but your mother's reaction isn't even rare, unfortunately.
This story is a wild saga. It got crazy. She found out he stole the kid's underwear, and well, you know. She used that when going to the police station. Also, he started harassing the kid after they left. And stalking them and everything else. OP deleted her account.
Why are so many people in the comments repeating the later parts of the story as though it weren't in the video? 😛 like are y'all just so desperate to be the first ones to tell what happened that you can't make it through to the end, or what? 😂 genuine question!
@@s0lastsummer7 To be fair, there are comments talking about the updates, but they might be buried by other comments, so others might not be able to see it.
This. There was a story years ago that reminds me of her. This woman had two sons who were like 8 and 11 I think. Her new boyfriend was molesting them and when they went to her she said they were lieing. So they went to teachers and he got arrested. When he got out the oldest was 15 and the court gave the woman an ultimatum, move the boyfriend back in and move the kids out, or keep her kids because he wasn't allowed within 500 feet of children. She chose the boyfriend and kicked the kids out with nowhere to go. So when he turned 16 he got emancipated and adopted his little brother so they could have a place to live. If the sister has kids that is absolutely going to be her.
This kinda feels like the AITA story about OP dealing with her cousin's husband constantly trying to date her and how he felt for a fake Instagram profile because if it's to do with OP in anyway shape or form, them it's very clearly her. And how does OP's cousin deal with this? By putting the blame on OP, making her seem like the real villain and how she's trying to steal her husband. It's like these women have the mindset of how they make themselves believe that their man would never ever do anything wrong and that if there are bad things that are being said about him, it's the fault of the person accusing him and how she must defend him from these things because of how as rSlash says many times, people should always support their spouse. This is straight up the real life equivalent of the "blame the paramour" trope.
1st story: I thought it could be pretty innocent until David was in Roman's bedroom. There was nothing innocent about that. After op moves out, she needs to go no contact with David. Unfortunately, that might make the sister collateral damage. But the child's safety is the top priority.
Me too. I thought maybe he just really wanted a son and saw an opportunity to be like a dad but after him being in the room it took a turn for the worse.
@@terrenced7742 If anything, the door should be _open_ to let a little light into the room to help you search without turning on a big light that would wake the kid up.
@@terrenced7742 If anything, the door should be _open_ to let a little light into the room to help you search without turning on a big light that would wake the kid up.
The only reason David was "apologetic" was because he got caught. Thank God OP trusted her gut or this could have played out a lot differently. I hope David gets the maximum sentence and that OP and Roman are in therapy. (Also hope sister opens her dang eyes and sees what kind of "man" she is with.)
I know it's a slippery slope but the second he started being hysterical and overly lovey and apologetic, I knew that he had done something. If someone accused me of something. I would be upset, angry, and not want to be near them. I would understand them being cautious, you don't know people truly, but I would want to be away from them asap. His actions screamed, "I'm not upset that you are accusing me of something, I am heartbroken that you're taking Roman away from me."
Yo, that behavior in the first story is grooming from the start. David was helping with homework, and getting the kid to trust him by connecting over common interests, and giving gifts. That is classic grooming for predation.
I follow this story on Best of Redditor Updates, and it's _wild._ Best of luck to OP and her son. I hope David gets thrown under the jail, and that OP's sister comes around.
Jail doesn't really work on pedos. Problem being is that we don't have anything else that we can legally do to them. Cause pedos in jail get special treatment cause the general population kill them as alot of them have their own kids.
Am I crazy for just…being fully on board with us euthanizing people like David? Obviously if it’s beyond a shadow of a doubt true that he’s grooming. Just…unalive them
First and only Story (why is the text look weird?): David's actions is going on pedo territory, especially him being in the dark room while Roman is sleeping. OP needs to find somewhere else to live and get her son away from this gross creep. Don’t suspected predators always make excuses and lie about the reason why they are doing something sus? The fact this man was soo devestated over not being allowed around OP's son anymore makes me even more suspecious that he is preying on OP's son. If a woman accuses me of that without proof and I know I’m innocent, that woman would be out of my house without a second thought. Brooo wtf, and this just gets worst. He found OP's son's Instagram and TikTok AND hit him up....I’m convinced this guy is either a pedo, predator, obsessed with OP's kid, or all three. Oh my god...this dude was keeping and sleep on this 13 year old's underwear and clothes...this man is disgusting. The fact OP's sister is upset with OP and not her disgusting husband is insane to me
I think David started sobbing when OP confronted him partially because he was afraid that she was going to immediately call the police (because he knows damn well what he's doing is criminally WRONG) and partially because she was forcing him away from his the target of his obsession. I feel awful that Roman is having to go through this. He's an innocent kid and he doesn't deserve one minute of this. But I'm thankful too that Roman told his mom, that his mom believed him, and that she took action to stop David from doing anything worse.
This story gave me goosebumps…. I hope that man gets arrested asap and I hope he’s never had access to any other children or ever actually done anything to them…
Omg! The pillow case incident is insane. Absolutely terrifying. How does the sister not see it. She is delusional. I would 100% investigate my husband if someone told me this.
The part where he was caught on camera stealing clothing from Roman's room almost made me tear up, it's beyond disgusting what his obsession truly looks like when no one is around
Dude, you're absolutely right. Someone in the accused position would either try to get that mom out of the house or at the very least let the mom and the kid share a room and avoid them in hopes of calming tension. David's first idea when accused is to try and contact David behind the mom's back and get mad when he can't see him any more. David's a creep.
if i was that situation and got accused of that shit, i'd put the mom and kid up in a hotel that very day and block all contact with the kid and do my best to help get that mom and kid some place else to stay because i'd be innocent and would not want that shit to go on any record. that shit is life ruining and i'd want it out of my life.
To quote my sister: a mother can ALWAYS sense pedos......like spidey-sense (She NEVER left her kids alone with our cousin's (now ex) husband......Derek is currently in jail for child p*rnography. My cousin had NO IDEA until multiple police departments showed up on their doorstep. If u want to read about the case, Google "Derek Baldwin Oklahoma" and u'll see an article from Army News)
I’m 15 years old and there’s a man in his 40s who likes me. I don’t think my mother senses that considering the fact that she brings me around him and his family.
@@pulacascar179 if you're worried that any adult likes you in an inappropriate way, please reach out and tell other trusted adults Refuse to be alone with them, etc If you aren't comfortable around someone you shouldn't be forced to be anywhere near them, even (and especially) as a minor Please stay safe
Massive props to Roman. No doubt this is really hard in his mental health but he seems like a really good kid. I hope things work out for op and son in the future
Sex offenders get put in special prisons as they have what you call bad paperwork, which usually means you are going to get your ass kicked to the brink of death.
@@Morgawayne and this right here is why I don’t think we need a special prison for them They don’t tend to last very long in normal prisons, so I think we just need to convict them more
If someone accused me of grooming like that, not only would I kick them out, but I would be absolutely LIVID at the accusation. Like Rslash said thats the absolute worst thing you can be accused of... That man needs to be put on the list
Holy crap! The moment it was mentioned that David was in Roman's room at night with the door shut I knew right away that Roman was being groomed. It almost made me hurl! David should not be allowed near kids ever and should be castrated, chemically or maybe with other tools. I really REALLY hope that David ends up in jail because he will not survive there, and I'm all for it. This story legit made me madder than ever and I really hope that OP and Roman will be okay.
One of the last updates OP posted before she deleted her account included taking everything to the police who took it very seriously and acted quickly. They have a restraining order on David and issued a warrant for his arrest.
If David even ends up in jail, it is very likely that he will survive and even garner sympathy from people who believe he can be "rehabilitated". At the risk of exposing myself , as I feel people need to hear the truth, I was a corrections officer and worked directly with the sex offenders unit . They are protected from the other inmates, and rarely, if ever, do they experience any type of mistreatment from other inmates or guards. They are afforded all the rights and protection their victims never received. It is sickening to see, and these types are the biggest whiners I ever had to deal with, but I had to remain professional and treat them respectfully or lose my job. I eventually left this line of work due to this affecting my own mental health having been a victim myself as a child. Yes, sex offenders that prey on children, are one of the most hated inmates, but they are housed seperately from the main population, and are escorted at all times to protect their safety. I don't know if this is the case for all jails and prisons, but this is what it is like in the correctional facilities that I worked in. Infuriating as hell!
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@@wrenbird7165, on one hand I _do_ understand the notion that any sex offender deserves mob justice (doubly so if they prey on children)... on the other hand I'm thinking, what right do we have to judge if we're no better than them?
My heart goes out to Roman. I remember how much fun I used to have with my stepdad. He was one of the few people who didn't mind when I wanted to show him youtube videos I liked. I guess that's why I ignored the "less appropriate" things he'd do sometimes. These kind of relationships can really mess with your head. I'm glad OP was able to recognize what was happening and prevent anything too serious.
Listening to this story was heartbreaking. As someone who went through something nearly identical to Roman's situation, it's one of the most terrifying feelings ever; feeling unsafe in a place you're supposed to call home and not being aware of why until much later. I seriously wouldn't wish it on anyone. I hope he heals from all of this and for David and OP's sister to go rot.
There is an update to the story where OP went to the sister with everything but she denied what was going on. David FOUND where they were and tried to talk but she called the police on him. OP also went to the police station and told them everything that was going on and they plan to arrest him for everything he did to the son
The sister is turning a blind eye because she has an easy life. He provides the facade of a loving home, but as OP pointed out, doesn't want to be around her. OP should also warn the school about David. He knows Roman plays sports, he knows the school's name, he can get access to the schedule, he can go to every game and approach Roman if OP isn't there, which is something he's hoping for.
Holy moly! That story got creepy FAST! Kudos to the mom for recognizing that something wasn't right, taking the appropriate actions, and most importantly, getting her son out of there. I am wondering if OP showed the sister the video of David going into Roman's bedroom and taking that garment to put under his pillowcase and what the sister's reaction was???
i feel so sorry for OP and her son. Leaving one bad situation, only to get put into ANOTHER bad situation. that would take a toll on anyone's mental health. i wish them all the best.
Listening to this story I have a chill down my spine thinking about what would have happened if OP didn’t act the way she did. I’m super super glad that OP and her son are out of that home and I hope she reported everything to the police regardless of telling the sister cause something in my spirit is telling me that this isn’t the first time David was like this to a child. Regardless if the sister gets mad or upset OP needs to protect her child cause the sister refuses to acknowledge that she is living with and is in a relationship with a pedo.
As someone who was groomed as a child then brushed off when I tried to tell my mother, who had gone through the same thing herself, I am so thrilled that OP recognized the signs and did everything she could think of to protect her child from a monster. That is a great mother right there. Her situation was horrific and she had nowhere else to go but she did everything right despite knowing she would lose a place to live. She put her son's well-being over everything! Good job OP!
Am I silly for worrying? GIRL DAVID WAS STANDING OVER YOUR UNDERAGE SON WHILE HE SLEPT HOW CAN YOU EVEN THINK YOU'RE OVERREACTING!? also who bets David was stealing his clothes to how should we say smell them and how can your sis call op paranoid girl if she told me that I would have given her the finger and called her an idiot and enabler. Op do not blame yourself David is a groomer and your sister is an enabler plus both are trying to gaslight you
I've heard that a lot of predators convince themselves that they love their victims when that's not really the case. And that does line up with the bit where David says he loves the kid like a son.
What worries me is how quickly it escalated the moment Roman came into the picture. Like, there was almost no hesitation from David to start grooming behavior with overnight changes in behaviors and habits. With a lot of predators who are just starting to act on their fantasies, they always seem to have a lot of reservations and don’t start immediately. I might need to double check this but there’s almost always some sort of escalation needed before they start acting the way David did. On top of that, he was doing it with so much confidence that he was doing this in front of the child’s own mother, which makes me think he was grooming Op so she’d feel more comfortable allowing Roman near him. So, I don’t know if the reason he started grooming Roman as quickly as he did means he was just emboldened by the easy access he had to the child to play out his fantasies or because… he’s done it before. Just because someone isn’t on the sex offender’s registry doesn’t mean they’ve never done anything deserving of being on the registry before.
Man...I was not prepared for this. Also, when OP confronted David about the cell phone thing, I kept yelling at my phone "but why tf did the door need to be SHUT when he was 'looking for his phone'?" He had some bs excuse for everything else but I really wanna know what his reason would be for that cause there is absolutely no reason why the door needed to be shut in that situation. Mad props to OP and Roman, OP for being able to correctly see David for what he was and do what needed to be done and Roman for being honest with OP and trusting her. David and OP's sister can go bungee jumping straight to hell but with no bungee cords.
You have to do an update on this situation!! I'm probably about to hop on read it to see if she updated anything. This story is disgusting, Mind Boggling, And very addictive to listen to. I'm just very glad she got out of that situation and is approved for public housing. I know it may not seem like it, But they are definitely in a better place.
David stalked them to their hotel n showed up at sports games. Sister is still in denial n is sticking by him. They're getting an arrest warrant for David and she went to the police. He'll likely get charges of harassment stalking and lewd/lascivious behavior towards minor, up to 5yrs in prison.
@@xxoxEMxoxx I’m talking about what happens after she takes everything to the police. She only gave a brief update that she would be going to the police and that she made multiple copies of both the text messages and the video evidence. But that was posted 21 days ago, so I think there’s another update inbound :)
@@xxoxEMxoxx she also updated that she won’t tell her sister just yet, that she would prioritize the investigation over her relationship with her sister right now. Her sister will find out eventually through the grapevine…
Okay, let me ask you something everyone: Would you notice if something other than a pillow was in a pillowcase on your bed? Cause I sure as hell would. That sister isn't just a gaslighting, enabling narcissist, but quite likely an active accomplice to what David was doing.
On the past couple videos, I made a comment asking people what Rslash's catchphrase is, and I'm shocked nobody said what I was thinking, which is "SEE YA! WOULDN'T WANNA BE YA!"
I really gotta take notes from OP. Roman was clearly beginning to get swept up in David's bs, but OP approached the topic in a deeply empathetic, gentle and loving way. Assuring Roman that it's not his fault if people prey on him was an amazing and important step. And I'm pretty sure that this conversation, especially the repeated reassurance, were what made Roman gladly go along with OPs decision to cut David off. She made sure her child could trust her with the messages, without any fear from judgment. And the way she handled Roman's decision about snapchat was absolutely perfect! This way, Roman knows they are a true team and his honesty won't backfire on him!
Just a warning to parents: sometimes, even if you ask your child if someone is doing inappropriate things to them, they may lie. It may be for many reasons: they could feel shame over the situation, the person bothering them may have threatened them or made them feel guilty, or they haven't been fully taught about the topic and may not know that what's happening is wrong. It happened to me when I was younger, my mom asked me if it was happening and I denied it because I felt that the adult might do something worse if I had told someone. Eventually my mom did find out, but it was long after it had ended. My point is this: trust your gut, even if your child refuses. It could save them and others that are in the same position they are in. I'm happy for Roman that his mother stopped this before it escalated to something worse
Wow... In the beginning, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I've been in a situation where I grew to see a young woman I knew as a daughter, and especially if you don't have any children yourself, that can be a very confusing situation since you're suddenly feeling a lot of emotions that you've never had before. In my case, however, we were both adults so the dynamics were completely different. But as OP kept elaborating, things just kept getting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse. My previous benefit of the doubt flew out of the window as soon as that in-the-bedroom incident came up, and then cyber stalking the kid, secretly messaging him, and the stuff that was behind the trigger warning? Jeeee-SUS. Nah, keep your kid well and far away from that guy. I would show the sister all of the after-the-argument evidence, though. There is so much that she hasn't yet seen that is so much more incriminating that what she has heard.
It's like one of those murder documentaries. when somebody gets accused and they don't get angry or offended, it's almost always a red flag... Like, if smb accuses you of something so horrific that u didn't even do, you'd get angry at them for even thinking that
A grown ass adult standing by a child's bed in the dead of the night is quite literally how a lot of SA in homes happens Edit: noting how others have said that this guy tracked op and her kiddo down, anyone else peep that he was trying to get roman to tell him where he was?
I swear there must be a how- to- book or something these pedos read because this is exactly what my mom's boyfriend (later on he became my step-dad) did to me when I was 11 years old. Back in the 80's, there were no such things as cell phones, so his excuse was that his brother was supposedly coming over ( at 2:00 am) and he was watching for his car out of my bedroom window because it was easier to see. I was woken up because I thought I felt someone touching me. After he left my room I got up and put on my housecoat, wrapped it tightly around myself and cried in my bed. I'd like to say there was a happy ending, but sadly it would take three more years before my mom finally found out what he was doing and then she blamed me. She allowed the abuse to continue and threatened to kill me if I told anyone. It went on for years. Thankfully, the mom in this is what every mother should be. A hero in my opinion.
@@wrenbird7165 That’s awful. I’m so sorry that happened to you. Any mother who blames and threatens their own kid like that is a monster, not a mother. You deserve so much better than that. I hope you’re in a safe place with a support system of people you can trust so you have the space to heal.
@@kranberry3318 Thank you for your kind words. I am now in my 50's, so a lot of time has passed, and although there was no help for me, I am so thankful that Roman has the kind of mother who not only pays attention, but does what needs to be done to ensure his safety. Thank goodness his mom did not fall for David's pathetic excuses and manipulation. David will never believe he did anything wrong and OP's sister will probably continue to make excuses for him. Roman may not be David's only victim either. I only found out my older sister was a victim of my step-father after she ran away from home. My mom didn't believe her, and even when she caught my step-father in the act of assaulting me, she asked me what I had to say for myself. Like, wtf? She turned a blind eye as he continued to assault me every single day for years. I wish I could say that telling someone finally helped, but it didn't. No one helped even when numerous people knew about it. The responsibility is often placed on the child to protect the abuser from facing any consequences. Being told you will" destroy the family" and" it will be your fault if the abuser goes to jail, and everybody ends up homeless", and " no one will believe you because you have no proof" is very effective in keeping victims quiet. Hearing that Roman cried and felt guilty just breaks my heart. I want to thank his mom for protecting him and keeping him safe no matter the cost. I often believe I am over it, but then I hear something that brings it all back, and hearing about David standing in the bedroom watching Roman just reminded me that it never fully heals. OP is saving her son from a life sentence of pain and guilt that seeps into every corner of the victims life. Thanks for listening. Unfortunately my story is a very common one, and many more have suffered much worse than I, so I try to be thankful for the positive things
@@wrenbird7165 I had a similar experience with my stepfather, but the abuse was physical and mental/emotional, not at all sexual. I was also threatened to keep my mouth shut or “he’ll go to jail and we’ll be homeless and it’ll all be your fault” kind of thing. I know it’s not as bad as sexual abuse, but I have an idea. My PTSD and other issues have improved a great deal since I left and started living with my grandmother and going to therapy. I’m sorry your childhood joy and innocence were stolen from you.
That sister in the creepy BIL story is totally projecting. The sister is claiming OP is constantly sabotaging her own happiness but it is sister who is in a relationship where the 'romantic' partner is always out drinking, and who is locked in his room rather than interacting with her the rare times when he is home. A husband (BF? - I lost track) who only stays home and interacts with anyone there when a teenaged boy moves in. HOW on Earth is any of that a relationship that makes the sister 'happy'?!? I think the sister is desperately unhappy but rather than dealing with the dumpster fire in her own life, she is instead projecting 'you need to be unhappy' onto OP. Where OP got it together enough to escape and abusive relationship, the sister is still in one.
I am binging old rSlash videos and came across this one. My father when I was growing up was a rageaholic and alcoholic. He got sober and after I had children I tried my best to forgive him. When my oldest son was around 10 he wanted to spend the night with grandpa. I knew he hadn’t drank in years so I let him go. Around 930 that night I got a frantic call from my son demanding I come get him. Seems my father began drinking that night and was acting weird according to my son. About a year and a half later my son confessed to my mother (long divorced from father) that my father had tried desperately to molest him. Never trust anyone with your children. Always be vigilant. Learn from this story because it can happen to anyone.
there is literally no way that David was not up to some shady shit. if not straight up grooming something equally bad. none of what he did is remotely normal behaviour also to answer the question, if my family members came to live with me, and then accuse me of grooming their kid, my first priority certainly wouldn't be to try and make sure that my access to said child would remain unobstructed.
17:08 , r/slash you are absolutely right if a sane innocent get accused of preying over a kid, they would react the same. If it was me, I would throw them out, talking to son secretly, nope i won't even look his direction from that point onward. I'm so glad his mom was there to save him, because that man is a predator he chose the most vulnerable boy with no father figure in his life to protect him. And when he got confided, he chose to beg for them to stay and worst of all went top to bottom finding that little boy. That bed scene reminded me of how i was staying at uncle(not relative) house and in the middle of night I woke up to him staying right below my feet looking directly at me. And next thing i know he tried showing me porn (i was 16) a d to this day i am horrified of him(i am 21) i hide myself in my roof even if it's chilling cold. I was now able to tell my mom what he did
Major props to Roman and mama for being open and handling the situation so fast 🥺 abusing the trust of a child for such purposes is easily the most evil thing a person can do! The sister is in deep DEEP denial
I want to put a warning out there for everyone. Genuine pedophiles are sick. I mean actually mentally sick. They frequently view their victims as actual relationships, so over the top emotional reactions to losing access to a child that you believe they may be grooming are a major red flag. Don't ignore the signs even if you aren't sure that you're right. It's not worth the risk.
Just adding a thought about the Bedroom Incident. If he'd actually been in there looking for his phone, he would have left the door open for the light from the hall.
I said this yesterday and I'll say it today, the creepy guy's computer needs to be checked by the authorities. Is he really "playing video games" when he's locked in his room? One check of his computer and I'd bet he'd be going away for a very long time.
It’s pretty obvious that the sister was gaslighting OP and trying to get her to drop the accusation because she knew that the moment Roman left, her boyfriend would turn abusive again. The sister already knew that Roman was being groomed, but she didn’t care. All she cared about was having an easy boyfriend, and she was willing to put a child at risk of sexual assault to get it. Disgusting.
This is the update, summarized by one of the commentors as the post and account has been deleted, ‐--------------------- "When David went missing, it turns out he went to his parents'. He has them and OPs sister convinced that OP is lying about his interest in her son as being malicious/perverted. OP and her son were interviewed by a detective, authorities were shown the video evidence she had and she also gave them the article of clothing. The authorities brought David in for questioning. Before he was brought in for questioning, he was still messaging OPs son via new accounts. OP screenshotted them, but after a while started deleting or ignoring further messages from him because there were so much. He was essentially telling the son that he was old enough to make his own choices and he shouldn't listen to others. OP and her son have basically been kicked out of her sisters', but the sister is at least being decent enough to hold onto their things until they move into public housing, which they were approved for. Currently, they're in a motel. David has shown up to OPs sons sports event at a separate school in an effort to tell him his side of the story. This information was shared with authorities. OP went across the street from the motel to a store to grab a few things while her son was in the shower. David was found knocking on their door when OP turned back and said that he had a right to tell his side and that he wanted to talk to her. There is speculation that David had been spying on them and waited for the one moment he knew OPs son would be alone because the timing was too exact and it isn't the first time he's tried talking to OPs son alone (ie the sports event at a separate school). OP called police, but he left as she dialed 911. She is hoping that she gets a restraining order against him. He's left them alone since he was interrogated by the police, but the charges need to be approved by a clerk. She has had heightened anxiety and paranoia and finds it hard to get through the work day. Her sons appetite has diminished and he's not entirely happy that the school is bringing in a counselor to check in with him once a week. He prefers to keep his school/social life separate from these current events. I may have missed a few details, but based on what I recall, that was the post." ‐‐-‐------ There may be elsewhere you can read the update in OPs words, but I don't know where to look for it.
Holy moly that story was wild! I am so glad that OP was smart enough to get both Roman and herself out of that situation because David is totally a groomer and her sister is just a full enabler and is clearly in denial. OP please consider going no contact with your sister and David or go to the police because I got a feeling that David might try something.
David stalked them to their hotel n showed up at sports games. Sister is still in denial n is sticking by him. They're getting an arrest warrant for him bc she went to the police. He could face up to 5yrs in prison on charges of stalking harassment and lascivious behavior towards a minor. OP also got approved for public housing so they're leaving soon.
God this story is too real. Stuff like this happens ALL THE TIME. Except some people don't report it AT ALL. I felt sick to my stomach, OP was never paranoid. And her sister tried soooo hard to make OP feel crazy.
In the second story...if articles of clothing go missing all the time AND it is due to the washer/dryer...isn't it interesting how Roman's mom hasn't experienced the same phenomenon??? If, the boyfriend is so concerned about conserving water, why isn't he washing EVERYONEs clothes together??? Sister needs to lawyer up. Recording laws vary from state-to-state; some are one-party consent, others are two (if this even happened in the states)...but recording inside a domicile adds another layer as there is an expectation of privacy within ones home. Get a lawyer, they can advise OP on their best course of action.
Although this is a horrible situation, I'm glad that the mom listened to her instincts or the fact she even had instincts. Just like the sister, some mothers won't notice or even care about warning signs. I was SA has a kid by people who my mom let into our lives. She really only cared about her sex life and her career.
When missing laundry came into play, my blood ran cold. Poor Roman knew something was “off” hence why he started closing his door at night. At this point, OP did everything she could do trying to convince her sister her BF was REALLY bad news. Drop her and focus on Roman, her sister is enabling David, putting her nephew’s safety at risk to get to get David affectionate towards her again. I really hope OP got the legal ball rolling and is somewhere safe with her son. *Edit: My bad, DAVID closed the door- which only makes things EXTRA fricked up! * dry heave *
Yeah, it was clear Roman had no idea until the mother had a talk with him. The door being closed was absolutely David’s doing, especially if it being closed was out of the ordinary for Roman.
When I was 15 my mom accused her ex bf of being a pedophile because he would let me stay at his apartment for school but not her. This was untrue, the reason I could stay but she couldn't is because my mother is an extremely disruptive person who has to take over the entire house whereas I keep quietly to myself on my computer. And if I couldn't stay I'd have to make the hour commute to and from school for an unknown period of time until my mom got the money up to afford our own apartment in town. But the moment I told him my mom was asking people if they thought he might be a pedo he kicked us both out. Even a rumor of pedophilia can ruin a life. So yeah I totally agree with rslash that no one innocent of that kind of crime would be willing to risk the kid staying in the same house. It's too dangerous for everyone.
The grooming one speaks a lot to a small subset of Christianity today. They scream loudly about grooming, but don't seem to get the fact that when you point your finger at someone, 3 of your own are pointing back at you.
First story, like R/Slash said *NO MAN* would be caught dead around OP and her son if we were accused of that shit. If I were accused of that shit, I want you gone same day, no more waiting.
Predators groom kids, especially boys, with attention, time, and gifts two win the boy's trust, or to lower their guards. The next step is the laundry clue, her son's underwear and socks disappeared. Next, OP should have asked if on any occasion has David seen him undressed, either partially or completely. Or if her son had seen David partially or completely undressed. Because that's what predators do to groom their victim, and that is to show them that it's okay for another boy or man to see them undressed, but not women or girls. Then watching her son sleep while he's standing over the kid. Well, that's because David will do a little light touching, and watch the boy's body reaction. If the kid wakes up, David has an excuse, "oh, I shook you to wake you up." Since most kids waking up from a deep sleep are slightly confused when they just wake up. They may sense somethings wrong, but dismiss it in the confusion of waking and the embarrassment of a certain part of their body presenting itself covered or not. I've had numerous victim's (boys) of abuse tell me these same things. They didn't know these things were planned and deliberate to lower their guard so their abuser could molest them. Most abusers follow these steps, win their trust, lower their guard, see how they react to touching and displays of affection. It's a process for them with their ultimate goal of sexually molesting them. Most boys react accordingly being innocent and naive, but some don't. For those few, new tactics are used, guilt, threats, and physical abuse are then employed. Anything to cow the kid into silence, yet the predator getting what they want.
It sucks that OP wound up burning two bridges (well, at least heavily damaging the one with the sister) because David was being a creep. All I can say for OP is that I wish OP the best. Maybe the sister is in denial, maybe she isn't and is just protective (which may include being in denial), but I hope this doesn't ruin things beyond No Return between her and OP
15:15 In other words, “How would an innocent man react in that situation?” NOT LIKE THAT! That man is, in fact, a p3do, and OP is right to get her son away from him
This was wild. Thought it was just a "father and son" sort, but as the story progressed, it was going from bad to worse. This guy stalked, took child's clothes to sniff on (or whatever he does with it), broke down without denying, and so much more. Her sister can continue to deny all she wants until, if possible, she marries and has kids with that guy (wouldn't be surprised if she didn't believe her own future kids if they get groomed). He is a major creep.
The Opie should just tell The Sarah to ask The David one specific question: _"So? What have you got to say about _*_the pillowcase,_*_ eh?"_ and then just shut up and listen to what he has to say. That should convince her.
This story made me so sick. I was in a similar situation when I was 11. Mom couldn't afford rent, so moved in with a friend of hers. I was living with my dad, but visited my mom on the weekends. The first night I was there, the friend got very drunk and made uncomfortable comments all night. After going to bed, I woke up to him kneeling beside me while I slept and whispering things. I didn't fully understand it at the time, but I was still very uncomfortable. I'm glad I haven't seen him again since my mom moved out of there, but I still get physically ill every time I pass by the neighborhood he lived in.
i have an older male coworker who i originally thought was just a kind old dude until he started taking photos of my schedule and tattoos and took group work photos of me zoomed in only on me and kept it in his phone would draw stuff on my car and leave me breathy messages about how happy i made him, when i reported it to hr he was told to keep his distance and less than a week later he kinda cornered me and started SOBBING about how he doesnt want distance between us and he just cares too much it reminds me so much of this dudes reaction like theyre not upset theyve been caught theyre upset they cant do it anymore
Uh, is anyone else wondering WHY the dudes phone would have been in the kids room in the first place? In all likely hood, he probably left it there when he was playing with Roman but I've seen too many stories where someone secretly records someone on a hidden phone to believe he misplaced it. Whether it was placed in there intentionally or was just lying
In regards to story 2: I am personally extremely paranoid that I’ll one day I’ll have someone falsely claim that I SA’d them. Not something I’m 100% hyper fixated on but it has been a constant concern. So with that in mind I try to be as aware as contextually possible when a story like this is brought up. And even with that it was incredibly concerning. While all of these things by themselves aren’t necessarily concerning, it’s all of them piled together, the bedroom incident as well as the character 180 being the most concerning. Edit: comment was made durring Rslashes explanation on what they believe a innocent man would do
Op is a good mom going above and beyond to protect her son. I feel so bad for him that once he finds a proper father figure, that man turns out to be a creep. This is disgusting.
No, she didn't. She allowed him to get molested/groomed for months before she figured out something was wrong. If she had protected him, she would have immediately gotten out of there.
So, I'm in a very unique position because I was ops son. I was a foster kid, I was put in a foster home with a single woman and her 2 sons who were older than me. One son was 2 years older than me and HATED foster kids so we avoided each other and one was in his late 20's/early 30's and gave me creep vibes. One night my body set off alarm bells and I woke up in a panic because my body was screaming at me to wake up. When I woke up, the oldest son was stood at the bottom of my bed staring at me! I was 16! He mumbled that my tv was too loud (his room was in the attic above my room) but I NEVER slept with the tv on and even now, at 32, I distinctly remember that night as if it was yesterday and my tv absolutely WAS NOT turned on. i Told my social worker and I was immediately moved from the home and her foster license was revoked because I wasnt the first girl he had done this to. If your body is telling you to run and screaming at you to pay attention, listen. This guy is a predator and op needs to get her son out of that house!
Do you know how many socks I’ve lost while doing laundry at my house for the past 10 years? One sock. A singular sock fell in between the machines when I was transferring from washer to dryer. I found it some time later when I had to shift the machines aside for something.
I’ve lost socks, but never underwear. Now use a laundry mesh bag and only lose them when they never make it into the bag, and they usually show up in dark corners.
Yeah, I’ve never lost many clothes in a dryer. Though, I did have a pair of underwear go missing…which I found stuck to my comforter after I took it out of the dryer. Static electricity, right?
You are right. Any other man would say they want the lady and her kid out of the house, because it's a serious accusation. OP's sister doesn't want to see the truth, because she's in denial of this whole situation. That man is gross and disgusting for preying on a child.
Yeah I agree rslash if anyone accused me of inappropriate incidents involving children knowing I pride myself on minding my own business, they are gone or I'm gone depending on the location
OMG! What on earth? I was cautiously giving him the benefit of the doubt until the bedroom thing. That's when I was like NOPE! Roman likes to sleep with the door open so he clearly would have had it open that night and if David was just looking for his cell phone, he would have just walked in and started searching. He wouldn't have closed the door. And even if Roman didn't sleep with the door open, David would have just walked in and searched without closing the door because it is statistically much easier to find things at night when some light is involved so a light from the hallway would have been beneficial to him finding his phone in Roman's room. I'm not even going to get into the fact that it would be weird for the phone to even be in Roman's room in the first place. Honestly, this mom needs to report David and his horrendous behaviour to the police. I appreciate that she didn't immediately go to the police because there was a chance that it was just innocent and no matter whether he was found innocent or not that type of accusation just doesn't go away and would follow him for the rest of his life. But, things keep escalating even after confronting him and telling him that he needs to cut contact with her son. Now it is time to get the police involved because this very clearly isn't just an innocent misunderstanding because if it was, he would have for sure cut contact with her son because that's just what a normal person would do. I have always believed that parents develop strong gut feelings when it comes to their children. They usually know when something just isn't right when it comes to their children. This story just confirmed that. OP had a gut feeling that something wasn't right about David spending all this time with her son and she was right. Don't ignore your gut feelings ever because they are clearly trying to tell you something is just not right about a situation. I hope OP and Roman are doing okay and I hope David ends up in jail because he deserves it.
I normally don't want to jump to conclusions when it comes to accusations like this but the evidence is all there. He's a sick disgusting monster who needs to put on a watch list and kept as far from anyone as physically possible or something I can't put in a TH-cam Comment.
"Just because I am leaving does not mean that I'm letting David get away with what he's done." And truthfully, just because you're leaving doesn't mean you're out of the woods. You need to be constantly vigilant until he's behind bars!
Can we all just take a moment to praise Roman for being open and honest with his mom about all this? Being 13 and having all this occur must’ve taken a toll on him, I hope he’s doing well
Yeah the silver lining in this story is that OP and her son seem like they have a great relationship
@@radhiadeedou8286I dread to imagine what would happend if they didn't
If OP can, she should definitely ask Roman to go into therapy. He definitely seems like a kid that will take well, especially based on his relationship with his mother. Puberty's a hard time, and learning your father figure is grooming you is an unimaginable road block in emotional development for a boy.
wow... what's the deal with all the p3dophobia here you bigots!?
all Roman needed to do was to ask if op wanted to go bowling
@@eyebrowsj2243 She said she’s working as a waitress/needing shelter so I doubt it but I reeeeally hope through the courts they are able to grant him some type of gov assistance yk
Predators often target the children of vulnerable single mothers. So glad this lady is a good mom and took swift action to protect her son.
I was like, haven’t I seen this episode of Law and Order: SVU before?
Naturally... because they assume the single mother will want her son to have a male role model to look up to. At first I wanted to cut this guy some slack thinking that maybe he just never thought about having kids and then suddenly realized what he was missing and got too involved. But no, the missing laundry tells a tale.
It's worse when the kid is their own. The ways they manipulate their way out of situations like custody court cases and the lengths they'll go is serious mental gymnastics. Very slimy individuals to say the least.
Unfortunately this is true
If I were a father and my kid was being stalked and predated, I would go absolutely fucking PSYCHO.
Think of Kratos during Spartan Rage, but multiplied by 1,000.
The story has an update: David stalked them to their hotel, showed up at sports games, and created more accounts on Instagram trying to message Roman. OP has been to the police, gotten a RO for her and her son, sister is still sticking by her husband, and the account was deleted (hopefully bc of legal advice to delete it for court). He could end up getting up to five years in prison, maybe even more since a minor is involved. Roman is doing alright but this is taking a toll on his mental health.
In terms of the case, they are now requesting a warrant of arrest with the clerk of the court. If this is granted, then David will be arrested and charged with Lewd and Lascivious Behavior, Harassment, and Stalking.
Did anyone ever think to run a background check on him or his fingerprints and DNA
Wonder who's in his past like ex girlfriends wives and their kids
Thank you for the update.
Thanks man.. your life saver I was about look for this post! Yeah her sister isn’t kind she’s is dumbass
Op sister is a psychopathic piece of turd.. if I'm op after all the legal stuff gets settled down I would go NC with the sister..
Holy shit
Ok, I was groomed as a child and I can say with 1000% certainty that this man has a seriously drak side. Hopefully the sister pulls her head out of her ass and sees what he truly is before he hurts some innocent child
Never mind, suspicions confirmed. Disgusting.
I was too at 15. Okay, not exactly, but basically some guy was asking for videos of me p33ing and stuff like that. This was on MeWe and this is why I closed my accounts multiple times on there.
The sister isn't going anywhere. Based off the post, it seems to me the sister is either delusional, or actually already knew something twisted about David this whole time and in delusional fashion, got it in her head that she could change him somehow (probably thru Roman if she knew David was a predator). This could explain why she was blaming her sister for his demeanor shifting again AFTER she left the house with her son.
@Comitlight468 Sounds like a red flag. Thank goddess OP and her son got out. They should get a restraining order against David so he won't go near Roman anymore.
she wont sadl;y, because some ppl are too stupid to see the signs even when its pointed out ()not those being groomed as they belive its normal) but other adults and such that KNOW BETTER
OP’s sister is terrifying. She’s a victim blamer, gaslighter, and an apologist. How can you be so hostile towards your own sister after she tells you your bf was watching your nephew sleep? That your kid lost clothes only AFTER the bf does your nephew’s laundry? The constant texting? Who gets mad at a 13 year old for not responding to texts WHILE THEY’RE AT SCHOOL????
And the messaging like a desperate ex??? This absolutely a predator! He put a child’s underwear in his pillow case to fall asleep to the smell. Let’s hope he dies in prison
A predator. He's a predator n she's in denial. David stalked them to their hotel while thinking Mum was out n tried to gain entry. He then showed up at sports games despite being told not to do so. Sister is still in denial n is sticking by him, claiming OPs history of Bipolar is to blame (so shes in heavy denial and is victim shaming). They're getting an arrest warrant for him bc she went to the police. He could face up to 5yrs in prison on charges of stalking harassment and lascivious behavior towards a minor. OP also got approved for public housing.
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@@sersastark I honestly hope they arrest this guy, and he STAYS IN THE PRISON! And OP’s sister needs a massive wake up call!
He's a predator. He was literally smelling the kid's underwear while he slept.
@@llamaniaman4002 Yeah, eww 🤮 The man deserves prison, and OP’s sister needs a MASSIVE wake up call!
Honestly, when David started crying after she calmly approached him. I saw that as he’s guilty AF. His reaction alone just showed that he got caught and panicked.
From what i hear predators like this cry not because they’re remorseful but because of the shame and guilt of being caught.
@@maceharris8184it's true.. my abuser would only cry when he was caught
Story one: Honestly, David's computer needs a deep search. His "infatuation" with Roman probably isn't a new thing.
He probably has a sheit tons of hard drives full of that stuff
I don’t think so. Or else things would’ve been happening sooner
Also it’s kinda weird how the sister won’t believe it even though she has been verbally abused like wtf
@Matty Bruno Lucas Zenere Salas the reason it didn't happen sooner is because David was always either gone or locked in his room. The first time he met Roman and realised he was there he became obsessed, as if this were his chance to live out his fantasies. Also, I'm pretty sure the sister knows, but she's in denial about it, a very common reaction from the partners of predators.
Good call.
@C Bird that proves my point though
there were a couple of updates to this story. OP went to the cops and they took the situation very seriously and started working pretty fast on it. David ended up SHOWING UP to OPs motel room late at night and knocked on their door like a minute after OP left to buy something at a store around the corner, but luckily she heard the knocking and ran back and confronted David. he said that he wanted to talk to her, but it was obvious that he waited for her to leave before knocking so his excuse was BS. anyway, the legal investigation continued but OP eventually deleted her account and people aren't sure why.
She was probably advised not to talk about the legal case on social media by her lawyer, because if the case falls through for any reason, David will be able to sue her for defamatory libel.
She was likely told by the investigators to do so.
You’re not really supposed to post online about an active court case/ongoing investigation. She was most likely advised by a lawyer or other professional to take it down and hold off on updates until the whole thing is done and over with.
Hopefully she’ll come back with updates some day and tell us that she and Roman are safe and that David got what was coming to him, whatever that may be.
@@Veldrusara Not being able to prove guilt doesn't mean that you can be convicted of slander. The cases you've probably heard of where the accuser got sued successfully are when it was proven that they were lying. Convictions can fail because of lack of sufficient evidence, not just because a witness lied.
@@shadowninja6689 Didn't say he'd win. I just said he could try.
At first, David seemed like maybe he was just needing a bromance, but the bedroom and Landry incident… yeah.. no that definitely crossed a line.
At first I thought maybe he wants to be a dad and is taking up that role with Roman, then it went downhill really fast
@@radhiadeedou8286 that was my thoughts exactly
@@radhiadeedou8286 YEP! at first it give off big brother / dad vibes but then it slid into creep territory real quick!
It made me nauseous when I heard that David stole a piece of clothing from Roman and put it inside his pillowcase, were he could sniff while sleeping
@@luizbezerra4373 no kidding.
Wow. That escalated quickly. Before the bedroom thing, I was like, "well, that's kind of weird, but could be innocent, and men get assumptions made about them all the time for talking to kids." After that, I was fully on board team "Go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200".
David is definitely grooming Roman. When he does plan to abuse Roman, the poor boy would feel guilt for being upset with someone who was so “generous” to him. So proud of that brave boy for being transparent with his mother. Most young boys would be too scared. Let’s also praise this mother for putting her son first even when she could become homeless.
As a 32 year old guy who has a female roommate who has a 13 year old daughter if they suddenly accuse me of that I'd be horrified and would be making IMMEDIATE preparations to move them out
Women who do that REALLY piss me off....
@@caolanochearnaigh9804 being accused of sexually harassing someone is horrible and scary. And it's 10x worse with a minor. Imagine if those charges stick. You have to notify people you are on the registry, you're a social pariah, and you can never feel comfortable speaking with kids. It's an ultimate life ender. Plus, you could get beaten up and harassed for the rest of your life.
All for something you never did.
@@randominternetguy3537 Some people are just pure evil...
@@caolanochearnaigh9804i mean.... just dont act like david then??
@@forestgoody6166 WTF?
I'm outlining how scummy sticking someone with false charges is, and you're telling me not to act like that filthy insect David?
The hell did I do?
That first part of the story.......Could the son be up texting his friends LATE at night, out of fear of not wanting to be alone? Did he tell his friends certain things he isn't telling his mother? I honestly wonder considering that OP said that David was in his room at night,standing over him,with the door closed all the way.... No normal person does that .....
Yeah, it's a pretty weird and fucked up situation and that's putting it mildly.
what do you mean first story? its the whole video
@@Auswos101 first part. I didn't know it was going to be the entire video
@@Ihavenoideawhatthisevenis yeah righto fair enough
(update to that story from another commentor )
The story has an update: David stalked them to their hotel, showed up at sports games, and created more accounts on Instagram trying to message Roman. OP has been to the police, gotten a RO for her and her son, sister is still sticking by her husband, and the account was deleted (hopefully bc of legal advice to delete it for court). He could end up getting up to five years in prison, maybe even more since a minor is involved. Roman is doing alright but this is taking a toll on his mental health.
In terms of the case, they are now requesting a warrant of arrest with the clerk of the court. If this is granted, then David will be arrested and charged with Lewd and Lascivious Behavior, Harassment, and Stalking.
I'm pretty sure my entire household could hear me screaming "THIS IS GROOMING" for the entire first section.... and the MOMENT OP mentioned missing clothing, I screeched "IT'S UNDER HIS PILLOW, I WOULD BET MY *LIFE* ON IT," not realizing she was going to actually freaking find it later.... I've never been so horrified to be right in my life. 😢 I think the one thing that wasn't said that I was left with in the end, is that..... this is Sarah's NEPHEW we're talking about. Not just a friend's kid or anything like that, where she could have an (albeit terrible) excuse for some emotional distancing from the victim here. *He is her nephew.* I would throw myself in front of a moving train to save my nephew from harm, what is WRONG with her?! There's IRREFUTABLE evidence. The video, his DNA, PERIOD. It's really quite simple in the end. She has NO EXCUSE for choosing her P E D O HUSBAND over her innocent, WONDERFUL nephew here. I mean I know moms will always make their kid sound stellar and all, but what we know about Roman makes it clear just how lovely a person he is, because he was raised by the same type of person. I was so relieved to hear how amazingly OP handled the conversations with everyone, but especially him -- he obviously has complete trust in his mom, she even let him say no to deleting snapchat as long as he followed their compromise rules, these two have a dream relationship tbh, usually 13 year olds are the literal worst. 😂 I hope she can get him the help he needs to support his mental health. This will definitely affect how he trusts (or doesn't) any people in his future, and I'm sure he feels a lot of shame, embarrassment, and sadness. I hope one day he will truly believe that none of this was his fault, because it wasn't. And OP did her best too. What a trip this one was, wow. 😭
I'm SO glad OP went with her gut. As someone who had a mother that didnt go with her gut and suffered the consequences I'm so glad her son didnt have to be put in a dangerous situation. It took YEARS for me to forgive my mom and caused alot of issues, it almost broke our relationship because I hated her with a passion and had no issues showing it. It also hurt my mom alot, she began drinking and is only just now getting help, 7 years after I fully forgave her and stopped holding resentment. For both their sakes I'm so glad OP spoke up, even if it was a false call I'm glad she put her son first
I'm so sorry that happened to you. It's good to hear you and your mother are finally healing. I can only imagine the guilt and the horrible anger at someone failing to protect you.
I’m so sorry you had to deal with that. That’s awful. I hope you’re doing well now. Forgiving your mother must have been incredibly difficult and being able to do so is a testament to your character.
I still didn't forgive my dad. His own dad groomed and mol-ed me for several years, and no one was any the wiser. When I finally told my dad at the age of 18 he was like "You better not tell anyone this or no one will marry you." and "so what are you going to do? Arrest my dad? he's an old man!" I said "yeah if my dad-you- did this to my child I would kill you and have no regrets." He ended up not doing anything and not facing his dad. His dad died a couple years ago, with his death, died the justice for my 12 year old self. My dad told me I should've told him when I was 12, but like I was a kid who didn't know any better... and that made me blame my 12 year old self for a while.
@@meggiemills3602 See I was lucky enough to have an older brother I could tell and he handed telling the adults. That's a big part of why relationships were ruined, the aftermath. Being told, "It was just a mistake, dont need to tell anyone!" "It was handed in the family" and what my disgusting excuse for an aunt said was even worse that I refuse to even call her a relative. I was able to speak up when I was 11 and nothing was done until school found out, I couldn't imagine holding it in for 7 years and when you finally speak up you're shamed/silenced
@Queen Cars Families who protect abusers just to keep the family secrets or because (they are family!) Are gross!!!!!!! They let the victims suffer to protect themselves. Every single perp out there is someone's family and family should NEVER protect the criminal. Ugh (ya I have family trauma too)
I legit teared up when the kid blamed himself for not noticing what he was doing but the mom comforted him and told him it wasn’t his fault. In that same situation I was blamed for not noticing sooner and I felt so alone an awful. I don’t blame the mom for being cautious first. I am so glad she is doing all she can for her son now in such a sickening situation.
I'm really sorry you went through that ❤ none of what happened was your fault. You probably already know this, but your mother's reaction isn't even rare, unfortunately.
This story is a wild saga. It got crazy. She found out he stole the kid's underwear, and well, you know. She used that when going to the police station. Also, he started harassing the kid after they left. And stalking them and everything else. OP deleted her account.
Paedos be paedoing
At least we can sleep well knowing that police got involve 😊. Best of luck for both OP and her son 🙏
Why are so many people in the comments repeating the later parts of the story as though it weren't in the video? 😛 like are y'all just so desperate to be the first ones to tell what happened that you can't make it through to the end, or what? 😂 genuine question!
@@s0lastsummer7 To be fair, there are comments talking about the updates, but they might be buried by other comments, so others might not be able to see it.
OP shouldn’t tell her sister a damn thing, she might try to sabotage her efforts to report David to the police.
He's been arrested & the bitch ass sister is defending him
This. There was a story years ago that reminds me of her. This woman had two sons who were like 8 and 11 I think. Her new boyfriend was molesting them and when they went to her she said they were lieing. So they went to teachers and he got arrested. When he got out the oldest was 15 and the court gave the woman an ultimatum, move the boyfriend back in and move the kids out, or keep her kids because he wasn't allowed within 500 feet of children. She chose the boyfriend and kicked the kids out with nowhere to go. So when he turned 16 he got emancipated and adopted his little brother so they could have a place to live. If the sister has kids that is absolutely going to be her.
@@mayaroseakennasferu5814 some people don't deserve to be parents
@@mayaroseakennasferu5814 What a disgusting woman.
This kinda feels like the AITA story about OP dealing with her cousin's husband constantly trying to date her and how he felt for a fake Instagram profile because if it's to do with OP in anyway shape or form, them it's very clearly her. And how does OP's cousin deal with this? By putting the blame on OP, making her seem like the real villain and how she's trying to steal her husband. It's like these women have the mindset of how they make themselves believe that their man would never ever do anything wrong and that if there are bad things that are being said about him, it's the fault of the person accusing him and how she must defend him from these things because of how as rSlash says many times, people should always support their spouse. This is straight up the real life equivalent of the "blame the paramour" trope.
1st story: I thought it could be pretty innocent until David was in Roman's bedroom. There was nothing innocent about that. After op moves out, she needs to go no contact with David. Unfortunately, that might make the sister collateral damage. But the child's safety is the top priority.
Me too. I thought maybe he just really wanted a son and saw an opportunity to be like a dad but after him being in the room it took a turn for the worse.
Yeah, if it was really a lost phone situation as he claimed, why would one need the door closed to look for it? Absolutely not.
@@terrenced7742 If anything, the door should be _open_ to let a little light into the room to help you search without turning on a big light that would wake the kid up.
@@terrenced7742 If anything, the door should be _open_ to let a little light into the room to help you search without turning on a big light that would wake the kid up.
The sisters a piece of shit too, their lives are better without them
The only reason David was "apologetic" was because he got caught. Thank God OP trusted her gut or this could have played out a lot differently. I hope David gets the maximum sentence and that OP and Roman are in therapy. (Also hope sister opens her dang eyes and sees what kind of "man" she is with.)
I know it's a slippery slope but the second he started being hysterical and overly lovey and apologetic, I knew that he had done something. If someone accused me of something. I would be upset, angry, and not want to be near them. I would understand them being cautious, you don't know people truly, but I would want to be away from them asap.
His actions screamed, "I'm not upset that you are accusing me of something, I am heartbroken that you're taking Roman away from me."
Yo, that behavior in the first story is grooming from the start. David was helping with homework, and getting the kid to trust him by connecting over common interests, and giving gifts. That is classic grooming for predation.
It’s only one story in the whole video
Yeah, if a piece of shit starts acting super sweet with someone, that's love bombing. And what is grooming if not love bombing a child?
I follow this story on Best of Redditor Updates, and it's _wild._ Best of luck to OP and her son. I hope David gets thrown under the jail, and that OP's sister comes around.
Op sister will never come around.. enabler see nothing wrong with their behavior
I'd bet he's abusing the sister too, no rational person would defend David's behaviour unless they had no other choice.
@@fendviyo considering she and he have verbal arguments, I bet this
Jail doesn't really work on pedos. Problem being is that we don't have anything else that we can legally do to them. Cause pedos in jail get special treatment cause the general population kill them as alot of them have their own kids.
Am I crazy for just…being fully on board with us euthanizing people like David? Obviously if it’s beyond a shadow of a doubt true that he’s grooming. Just…unalive them
First and only Story (why is the text look weird?): David's actions is going on pedo territory, especially him being in the dark room while Roman is sleeping. OP needs to find somewhere else to live and get her son away from this gross creep. Don’t suspected predators always make excuses and lie about the reason why they are doing something sus? The fact this man was soo devestated over not being allowed around OP's son anymore makes me even more suspecious that he is preying on OP's son. If a woman accuses me of that without proof and I know I’m innocent, that woman would be out of my house without a second thought. Brooo wtf, and this just gets worst. He found OP's son's Instagram and TikTok AND hit him up....I’m convinced this guy is either a pedo, predator, obsessed with OP's kid, or all three. Oh my god...this dude was keeping and sleep on this 13 year old's underwear and clothes...this man is disgusting. The fact OP's sister is upset with OP and not her disgusting husband is insane to me
That’s ephibaphile territory
@@tashacooper1753 either way he's a predator
@@HobieInTheBox yeah it does freak me out that there’s different types for age groups
The creep seems like he's getting ready to gRap op's son, she need to leave for her kid's safety
Kneecaps. Take out his kneecaps
I think David started sobbing when OP confronted him partially because he was afraid that she was going to immediately call the police (because he knows damn well what he's doing is criminally WRONG) and partially because she was forcing him away from his the target of his obsession.
I feel awful that Roman is having to go through this. He's an innocent kid and he doesn't deserve one minute of this. But I'm thankful too that Roman told his mom, that his mom believed him, and that she took action to stop David from doing anything worse.
This story gave me goosebumps…. I hope that man gets arrested asap and I hope he’s never had access to any other children or ever actually done anything to them…
Omg! The pillow case incident is insane. Absolutely terrifying. How does the sister not see it. She is delusional. I would 100% investigate my husband if someone told me this.
The part where he was caught on camera stealing clothing from Roman's room almost made me tear up, it's beyond disgusting what his obsession truly looks like when no one is around
Dude, you're absolutely right. Someone in the accused position would either try to get that mom out of the house or at the very least let the mom and the kid share a room and avoid them in hopes of calming tension.
David's first idea when accused is to try and contact David behind the mom's back and get mad when he can't see him any more.
David's a creep.
if i was that situation and got accused of that shit, i'd put the mom and kid up in a hotel that very day and block all contact with the kid and do my best to help get that mom and kid some place else to stay because i'd be innocent and would not want that shit to go on any record. that shit is life ruining and i'd want it out of my life.
@@abiean222 Same.
@@abiean222 That's what a normal person would do in a situation like this. It makes me angry as a parent
To quote my sister: a mother can ALWAYS sense pedos......like spidey-sense
(She NEVER left her kids alone with our cousin's (now ex) husband......Derek is currently in jail for child p*rnography. My cousin had NO IDEA until multiple police departments showed up on their doorstep. If u want to read about the case, Google "Derek Baldwin Oklahoma" and u'll see an article from Army News)
I’m 15 years old and there’s a man in his 40s who likes me. I don’t think my mother senses that considering the fact that she brings me around him and his family.
This isn’t always the case. At least with my step mom and sister. She didn’t think her husband could ever do something like this. But he did.
"Always sense"? This woman was letting a guy molest her kid right in front of her face for MONTHS.
Sadly they can't always tell
@@pulacascar179 if you're worried that any adult likes you in an inappropriate way, please reach out and tell other trusted adults
Refuse to be alone with them, etc
If you aren't comfortable around someone you shouldn't be forced to be anywhere near them, even (and especially) as a minor
Please stay safe
Massive props to Roman. No doubt this is really hard in his mental health but he seems like a really good kid. I hope things work out for op and son in the future
Those people belogn into special prisons. Its frightening that children are under such danger.
Don't worry, criminals have no mercy for rapists or pedos, they get "special treatment"! Some get out of prision in bodybags..
If they can survive a day or two in prison.
Those "special prisons" are called cemeteries.
Sex offenders get put in special prisons as they have what you call bad paperwork, which usually means you are going to get your ass kicked to the brink of death.
@@Morgawayne and this right here is why I don’t think we need a special prison for them
They don’t tend to last very long in normal prisons, so I think we just need to convict them more
If someone accused me of grooming like that, not only would I kick them out, but I would be absolutely LIVID at the accusation. Like Rslash said thats the absolute worst thing you can be accused of... That man needs to be put on the list
Holy crap! The moment it was mentioned that David was in Roman's room at night with the door shut I knew right away that Roman was being groomed. It almost made me hurl! David should not be allowed near kids ever and should be castrated, chemically or maybe with other tools. I really REALLY hope that David ends up in jail because he will not survive there, and I'm all for it. This story legit made me madder than ever and I really hope that OP and Roman will be okay.
I personally vote for the "with two bricks" option.
One of the last updates OP posted before she deleted her account included taking everything to the police who took it very seriously and acted quickly. They have a restraining order on David and issued a warrant for his arrest.
@@kranberry3318 yeah I saw that. Took me a bit to find the update post. I really hope that OP and Roman are okay.
If David even ends up in jail, it is very likely that he will survive and even garner sympathy from people who believe he can be "rehabilitated". At the risk of exposing myself , as I feel people need to hear the truth, I was a corrections officer and worked directly with the sex offenders unit . They are protected from the other inmates, and rarely, if ever, do they experience any type of mistreatment from other inmates or guards. They are afforded all the rights and protection their victims never received. It is sickening to see, and these types are the biggest whiners I ever had to deal with, but I had to remain professional and treat them respectfully or lose my job. I eventually left this line of work due to this affecting my own mental health having been a victim myself as a child. Yes, sex offenders that prey on children, are one of the most hated inmates, but they are housed seperately from the main population, and are escorted at all times to protect their safety. I don't know if this is the case for all jails and prisons, but this is what it is like in the correctional facilities that I worked in. Infuriating as hell!
@@wrenbird7165, on one hand I _do_ understand the notion that any sex offender deserves mob justice (doubly so if they prey on children)... on the other hand I'm thinking, what right do we have to judge if we're no better than them?
My heart goes out to Roman. I remember how much fun I used to have with my stepdad. He was one of the few people who didn't mind when I wanted to show him youtube videos I liked. I guess that's why I ignored the "less appropriate" things he'd do sometimes. These kind of relationships can really mess with your head. I'm glad OP was able to recognize what was happening and prevent anything too serious.
Listening to this story was heartbreaking. As someone who went through something nearly identical to Roman's situation, it's one of the most terrifying feelings ever; feeling unsafe in a place you're supposed to call home and not being aware of why until much later. I seriously wouldn't wish it on anyone. I hope he heals from all of this and for David and OP's sister to go rot.
There is an update to the story where OP went to the sister with everything but she denied what was going on. David FOUND where they were and tried to talk but she called the police on him. OP also went to the police station and told them everything that was going on and they plan to arrest him for everything he did to the son
I wanna shout-out to the first OP. A+++
S TIER parenting. Saw the signs. And talked to her son about grooming and he behavior.
The sister is turning a blind eye because she has an easy life. He provides the facade of a loving home, but as OP pointed out, doesn't want to be around her. OP should also warn the school about David. He knows Roman plays sports, he knows the school's name, he can get access to the schedule, he can go to every game and approach Roman if OP isn't there, which is something he's hoping for.
Holy moly! That story got creepy FAST! Kudos to the mom for recognizing that something wasn't right, taking the appropriate actions, and most importantly, getting her son out of there. I am wondering if OP showed the sister the video of David going into Roman's bedroom and taking that garment to put under his pillowcase and what the sister's reaction was???
Unlike the sister who’d rather blame her own sister then think the person she’s with might be a creep
i feel so sorry for OP and her son. Leaving one bad situation, only to get put into ANOTHER bad situation. that would take a toll on anyone's mental health. i wish them all the best.
Listening to this story I have a chill down my spine thinking about what would have happened if OP didn’t act the way she did. I’m super super glad that OP and her son are out of that home and I hope she reported everything to the police regardless of telling the sister cause something in my spirit is telling me that this isn’t the first time David was like this to a child. Regardless if the sister gets mad or upset OP needs to protect her child cause the sister refuses to acknowledge that she is living with and is in a relationship with a pedo.
Agreed!
There are mothers who would definitely have traded their son for a secure place to live. Glad OP isn't one of them.
Normal people don’t think like that! Has she not been verbally abused her self too??
@@curtistic5724 Those are people who shouldn't be parents
As someone who was groomed as a child then brushed off when I tried to tell my mother, who had gone through the same thing herself, I am so thrilled that OP recognized the signs and did everything she could think of to protect her child from a monster. That is a great mother right there. Her situation was horrific and she had nowhere else to go but she did everything right despite knowing she would lose a place to live. She put her son's well-being over everything! Good job OP!
Am I silly for worrying? GIRL DAVID WAS STANDING OVER YOUR UNDERAGE SON WHILE HE SLEPT HOW CAN YOU EVEN THINK YOU'RE OVERREACTING!? also who bets David was stealing his clothes to how should we say smell them and how can your sis call op paranoid girl if she told me that I would have given her the finger and called her an idiot and enabler.
Op do not blame yourself David is a groomer and your sister is an enabler plus both are trying to gaslight you
Let alone the door was closed. At that fact she should be screaming at him
@@vincelibrandi yes, that was the most incriminating fact. if nothing suspicious is going on why close the door that is ALWAYS open ?
I've heard that a lot of predators convince themselves that they love their victims when that's not really the case. And that does line up with the bit where David says he loves the kid like a son.
The school day texts gave me the ick but the bedroom thing really set it over the edge for me.
At first I was like "Aw, the guy wishes he had a son" and quickly turned into "Hold up..." and then to "Oh god..." ... What a ride!
What worries me is how quickly it escalated the moment Roman came into the picture. Like, there was almost no hesitation from David to start grooming behavior with overnight changes in behaviors and habits. With a lot of predators who are just starting to act on their fantasies, they always seem to have a lot of reservations and don’t start immediately. I might need to double check this but there’s almost always some sort of escalation needed before they start acting the way David did. On top of that, he was doing it with so much confidence that he was doing this in front of the child’s own mother, which makes me think he was grooming Op so she’d feel more comfortable allowing Roman near him.
So, I don’t know if the reason he started grooming Roman as quickly as he did means he was just emboldened by the easy access he had to the child to play out his fantasies or because… he’s done it before. Just because someone isn’t on the sex offender’s registry doesn’t mean they’ve never done anything deserving of being on the registry before.
Man...I was not prepared for this. Also, when OP confronted David about the cell phone thing, I kept yelling at my phone "but why tf did the door need to be SHUT when he was 'looking for his phone'?" He had some bs excuse for everything else but I really wanna know what his reason would be for that cause there is absolutely no reason why the door needed to be shut in that situation. Mad props to OP and Roman, OP for being able to correctly see David for what he was and do what needed to be done and Roman for being honest with OP and trusting her. David and OP's sister can go bungee jumping straight to hell but with no bungee cords.
You have to do an update on this situation!! I'm probably about to hop on read it to see if she updated anything. This story is disgusting, Mind Boggling, And very addictive to listen to.
I'm just very glad she got out of that situation and is approved for public housing. I know it may not seem like it, But they are definitely in a better place.
There is an update
David stalked them to their hotel n showed up at sports games. Sister is still in denial n is sticking by him. They're getting an arrest warrant for David and she went to the police. He'll likely get charges of harassment stalking and lewd/lascivious behavior towards minor, up to 5yrs in prison.
@@xxoxEMxoxx I’m talking about what happens after she takes everything to the police. She only gave a brief update that she would be going to the police and that she made multiple copies of both the text messages and the video evidence. But that was posted 21 days ago, so I think there’s another update inbound :)
@@xxoxEMxoxx she also updated that she won’t tell her sister just yet, that she would prioritize the investigation over her relationship with her sister right now. Her sister will find out eventually through the grapevine…
Okay, let me ask you something everyone: Would you notice if something other than a pillow was in a pillowcase on your bed? Cause I sure as hell would. That sister isn't just a gaslighting, enabling narcissist, but quite likely an active accomplice to what David was doing.
On the past couple videos, I made a comment asking people what Rslash's catchphrase is, and I'm shocked nobody said what I was thinking, which is "SEE YA! WOULDN'T WANNA BE YA!"
I really gotta take notes from OP. Roman was clearly beginning to get swept up in David's bs, but OP approached the topic in a deeply empathetic, gentle and loving way. Assuring Roman that it's not his fault if people prey on him was an amazing and important step. And I'm pretty sure that this conversation, especially the repeated reassurance, were what made Roman gladly go along with OPs decision to cut David off. She made sure her child could trust her with the messages, without any fear from judgment. And the way she handled Roman's decision about snapchat was absolutely perfect! This way, Roman knows they are a true team and his honesty won't backfire on him!
The fact that this dude found this kids TIKTOK! AND start secretly messaging him... Even after the mother was continually setting clear BOUNDARIES!
Just a warning to parents: sometimes, even if you ask your child if someone is doing inappropriate things to them, they may lie. It may be for many reasons: they could feel shame over the situation, the person bothering them may have threatened them or made them feel guilty, or they haven't been fully taught about the topic and may not know that what's happening is wrong. It happened to me when I was younger, my mom asked me if it was happening and I denied it because I felt that the adult might do something worse if I had told someone. Eventually my mom did find out, but it was long after it had ended. My point is this: trust your gut, even if your child refuses. It could save them and others that are in the same position they are in. I'm happy for Roman that his mother stopped this before it escalated to something worse
Wow... In the beginning, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I've been in a situation where I grew to see a young woman I knew as a daughter, and especially if you don't have any children yourself, that can be a very confusing situation since you're suddenly feeling a lot of emotions that you've never had before. In my case, however, we were both adults so the dynamics were completely different.
But as OP kept elaborating, things just kept getting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse. My previous benefit of the doubt flew out of the window as soon as that in-the-bedroom incident came up, and then cyber stalking the kid, secretly messaging him, and the stuff that was behind the trigger warning? Jeeee-SUS.
Nah, keep your kid well and far away from that guy. I would show the sister all of the after-the-argument evidence, though. There is so much that she hasn't yet seen that is so much more incriminating that what she has heard.
It's like one of those murder documentaries. when somebody gets accused and they don't get angry or offended, it's almost always a red flag...
Like, if smb accuses you of something so horrific that u didn't even do, you'd get angry at them for even thinking that
“David came back from his church retreat-“
Of course. 🙄
I wish I could say that detail surprised me, but my reaction was just like yours.
A grown ass adult standing by a child's bed in the dead of the night is quite literally how a lot of SA in homes happens
Edit: noting how others have said that this guy tracked op and her kiddo down, anyone else peep that he was trying to get roman to tell him where he was?
Yeah I just immediately assumed he was there with the door closed so he could start touching Roman. Soooo fucked up.
I swear there must be a how- to- book or something these pedos read because this is exactly what my mom's boyfriend (later on he became my step-dad) did to me when I was 11 years old. Back in the 80's, there were no such things as cell phones, so his excuse was that his brother was supposedly coming over ( at 2:00 am) and he was watching for his car out of my bedroom window because it was easier to see. I was woken up because I thought I felt someone touching me. After he left my room I got up and put on my housecoat, wrapped it tightly around myself and cried in my bed. I'd like to say there was a happy ending, but sadly it would take three more years before my mom finally found out what he was doing and then she blamed me. She allowed the abuse to continue and threatened to kill me if I told anyone. It went on for years.
Thankfully, the mom in this is what every mother should be. A hero in my opinion.
@@wrenbird7165 That’s awful. I’m so sorry that happened to you. Any mother who blames and threatens their own kid like that is a monster, not a mother. You deserve so much better than that. I hope you’re in a safe place with a support system of people you can trust so you have the space to heal.
@@kranberry3318 Thank you for your kind words. I am now in my 50's, so a lot of time has passed, and although there was no help for me, I am so thankful that Roman has the kind of mother who not only pays attention, but does what needs to be done to ensure his safety. Thank goodness his mom did not fall for David's pathetic excuses and manipulation. David will never believe he did anything wrong and OP's sister will probably continue to make excuses for him. Roman may not be David's only victim either. I only found out my older sister was a victim of my step-father after she ran away from home. My mom didn't believe her, and even when she caught my step-father in the act of assaulting me, she asked me what I had to say for myself. Like, wtf? She turned a blind eye as he continued to assault me every single day for years. I wish I could say that telling someone finally helped, but it didn't. No one helped even when numerous people knew about it. The responsibility is often placed on the child to protect the abuser from facing any consequences. Being told you will" destroy the family" and" it will be your fault if the abuser goes to jail, and everybody ends up homeless", and " no one will believe you because you have no proof" is very effective in keeping victims quiet. Hearing that Roman cried and felt guilty just breaks my heart. I want to thank his mom for protecting him and keeping him safe no matter the cost.
I often believe I am over it, but then I hear something that brings it all back, and hearing about David standing in the bedroom watching Roman just reminded me that it never fully heals. OP is saving her son from a life sentence of pain and guilt that seeps into every corner of the victims life.
Thanks for listening. Unfortunately my story is a very common one, and many more have suffered much worse than I, so I try to be thankful for the positive things
@@wrenbird7165 I had a similar experience with my stepfather, but the abuse was physical and mental/emotional, not at all sexual. I was also threatened to keep my mouth shut or “he’ll go to jail and we’ll be homeless and it’ll all be your fault” kind of thing. I know it’s not as bad as sexual abuse, but I have an idea. My PTSD and other issues have improved a great deal since I left and started living with my grandmother and going to therapy. I’m sorry your childhood joy and innocence were stolen from you.
That sister in the creepy BIL story is totally projecting. The sister is claiming OP is constantly sabotaging her own happiness but it is sister who is in a relationship where the 'romantic' partner is always out drinking, and who is locked in his room rather than interacting with her the rare times when he is home. A husband (BF? - I lost track) who only stays home and interacts with anyone there when a teenaged boy moves in. HOW on Earth is any of that a relationship that makes the sister 'happy'?!?
I think the sister is desperately unhappy but rather than dealing with the dumpster fire in her own life, she is instead projecting 'you need to be unhappy' onto OP. Where OP got it together enough to escape and abusive relationship, the sister is still in one.
I am binging old rSlash videos and came across this one. My father when I was growing up was a rageaholic and alcoholic. He got sober and after I had children I tried my best to forgive him. When my oldest son was around 10 he wanted to spend the night with grandpa. I knew he hadn’t drank in years so I let him go. Around 930 that night I got a frantic call from my son demanding I come get him. Seems my father began drinking that night and was acting weird according to my son. About a year and a half later my son confessed to my mother (long divorced from father) that my father had tried desperately to molest him. Never trust anyone with your children. Always be vigilant. Learn from this story because it can happen to anyone.
Holy shit. I really hope OP and her son are doing alright. I hope "David" gets everything he deserves.
there is literally no way that David was not up to some shady shit. if not straight up grooming something equally bad. none of what he did is remotely normal behaviour
also to answer the question, if my family members came to live with me, and then accuse me of grooming their kid, my first priority certainly wouldn't be to try and make sure that my access to said child would remain unobstructed.
17:08 , r/slash you are absolutely right if a sane innocent get accused of preying over a kid, they would react the same.
If it was me, I would throw them out, talking to son secretly, nope i won't even look his direction from that point onward.
I'm so glad his mom was there to save him, because that man is a predator he chose the most vulnerable boy with no father figure in his life to protect him. And when he got confided, he chose to beg for them to stay and worst of all went top to bottom finding that little boy.
That bed scene reminded me of how i was staying at uncle(not relative) house and in the middle of night I woke up to him staying right below my feet looking directly at me. And next thing i know he tried showing me porn (i was 16) a d to this day i am horrified of him(i am 21) i hide myself in my roof even if it's chilling cold.
I was now able to tell my mom what he did
Major props to Roman and mama for being open and handling the situation so fast 🥺 abusing the trust of a child for such purposes is easily the most evil thing a person can do! The sister is in deep DEEP denial
I want to put a warning out there for everyone. Genuine pedophiles are sick. I mean actually mentally sick. They frequently view their victims as actual relationships, so over the top emotional reactions to losing access to a child that you believe they may be grooming are a major red flag. Don't ignore the signs even if you aren't sure that you're right. It's not worth the risk.
Just adding a thought about the Bedroom Incident. If he'd actually been in there looking for his phone, he would have left the door open for the light from the hall.
I said this yesterday and I'll say it today, the creepy guy's computer needs to be checked by the authorities. Is he really "playing video games" when he's locked in his room? One check of his computer and I'd bet he'd be going away for a very long time.
It’s pretty obvious that the sister was gaslighting OP and trying to get her to drop the accusation because she knew that the moment Roman left, her boyfriend would turn abusive again. The sister already knew that Roman was being groomed, but she didn’t care. All she cared about was having an easy boyfriend, and she was willing to put a child at risk of sexual assault to get it. Disgusting.
This is the update, summarized by one of the commentors as the post and account has been deleted,
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"When David went missing, it turns out he went to his parents'. He has them and OPs sister convinced that OP is lying about his interest in her son as being malicious/perverted.
OP and her son were interviewed by a detective, authorities were shown the video evidence she had and she also gave them the article of clothing.
The authorities brought David in for questioning.
Before he was brought in for questioning, he was still messaging OPs son via new accounts. OP screenshotted them, but after a while started deleting or ignoring further messages from him because there were so much. He was essentially telling the son that he was old enough to make his own choices and he shouldn't listen to others.
OP and her son have basically been kicked out of her sisters', but the sister is at least being decent enough to hold onto their things until they move into public housing, which they were approved for.
Currently, they're in a motel.
David has shown up to OPs sons sports event at a separate school in an effort to tell him his side of the story. This information was shared with authorities.
OP went across the street from the motel to a store to grab a few things while her son was in the shower. David was found knocking on their door when OP turned back and said that he had a right to tell his side and that he wanted to talk to her.
There is speculation that David had been spying on them and waited for the one moment he knew OPs son would be alone because the timing was too exact and it isn't the first time he's tried talking to OPs son alone (ie the sports event at a separate school).
OP called police, but he left as she dialed 911. She is hoping that she gets a restraining order against him.
He's left them alone since he was interrogated by the police, but the charges need to be approved by a clerk.
She has had heightened anxiety and paranoia and finds it hard to get through the work day. Her sons appetite has diminished and he's not entirely happy that the school is bringing in a counselor to check in with him once a week. He prefers to keep his school/social life separate from these current events.
I may have missed a few details, but based on what I recall, that was the post."
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There may be elsewhere you can read the update in OPs words, but I don't know where to look for it.
Holy moly that story was wild! I am so glad that OP was smart enough to get both Roman and herself out of that situation because David is totally a groomer and her sister is just a full enabler and is clearly in denial. OP please consider going no contact with your sister and David or go to the police because I got a feeling that David might try something.
David stalked them to their hotel n showed up at sports games. Sister is still in denial n is sticking by him. They're getting an arrest warrant for him bc she went to the police. He could face up to 5yrs in prison on charges of stalking harassment and lascivious behavior towards a minor. OP also got approved for public housing so they're leaving soon.
@@sersastark Thank goodness.
God this story is too real. Stuff like this happens ALL THE TIME. Except some people don't report it AT ALL. I felt sick to my stomach, OP was never paranoid. And her sister tried soooo hard to make OP feel crazy.
In the second story...if articles of clothing go missing all the time AND it is due to the washer/dryer...isn't it interesting how Roman's mom hasn't experienced the same phenomenon??? If, the boyfriend is so concerned about conserving water, why isn't he washing EVERYONEs clothes together???
Sister needs to lawyer up. Recording laws vary from state-to-state; some are one-party consent, others are two (if this even happened in the states)...but recording inside a domicile adds another layer as there is an expectation of privacy within ones home. Get a lawyer, they can advise OP on their best course of action.
Although this is a horrible situation, I'm glad that the mom listened to her instincts or the fact she even had instincts. Just like the sister, some mothers won't notice or even care about warning signs. I was SA has a kid by people who my mom let into our lives. She really only cared about her sex life and her career.
I was like "Yeah this is pretty SUS" in the first part and then at 3:33 I was like "AND I OOP-"
Yeah I would be like "GET TF OUTTA MY HOUSE"
When missing laundry came into play, my blood ran cold. Poor Roman knew something was “off” hence why he started closing his door at night. At this point, OP did everything she could do trying to convince her sister her BF was REALLY bad news. Drop her and focus on Roman, her sister is enabling David, putting her nephew’s safety at risk to get to get David affectionate towards her again.
I really hope OP got the legal ball rolling and is somewhere safe with her son.
*Edit: My bad, DAVID closed the door- which only makes things EXTRA fricked up! * dry heave *
No. David clearly was the one that closed the door so he wouldn't get caught.
Yeah, it was clear Roman had no idea until the mother had a talk with him. The door being closed was absolutely David’s doing, especially if it being closed was out of the ordinary for Roman.
When I was 15 my mom accused her ex bf of being a pedophile because he would let me stay at his apartment for school but not her. This was untrue, the reason I could stay but she couldn't is because my mother is an extremely disruptive person who has to take over the entire house whereas I keep quietly to myself on my computer. And if I couldn't stay I'd have to make the hour commute to and from school for an unknown period of time until my mom got the money up to afford our own apartment in town. But the moment I told him my mom was asking people if they thought he might be a pedo he kicked us both out. Even a rumor of pedophilia can ruin a life.
So yeah I totally agree with rslash that no one innocent of that kind of crime would be willing to risk the kid staying in the same house. It's too dangerous for everyone.
The grooming one speaks a lot to a small subset of Christianity today. They scream loudly about grooming, but don't seem to get the fact that when you point your finger at someone, 3 of your own are pointing back at you.
First story, like R/Slash said *NO MAN* would be caught dead around OP and her son if we were accused of that shit. If I were accused of that shit, I want you gone same day, no more waiting.
Predators groom kids, especially boys, with attention, time, and gifts two win the boy's trust, or to lower their guards. The next step is the laundry clue, her son's underwear and socks disappeared. Next, OP should have asked if on any occasion has David seen him undressed, either partially or completely. Or if her son had seen David partially or completely undressed. Because that's what predators do to groom their victim, and that is to show them that it's okay for another boy or man to see them undressed, but not women or girls. Then watching her son sleep while he's standing over the kid. Well, that's because David will do a little light touching, and watch the boy's body reaction. If the kid wakes up, David has an excuse, "oh, I shook you to wake you up." Since most kids waking up from a deep sleep are slightly confused when they just wake up. They may sense somethings wrong, but dismiss it in the confusion of waking and the embarrassment of a certain part of their body presenting itself covered or not. I've had numerous victim's (boys) of abuse tell me these same things. They didn't know these things were planned and deliberate to lower their guard so their abuser could molest them. Most abusers follow these steps, win their trust, lower their guard, see how they react to touching and displays of affection. It's a process for them with their ultimate goal of sexually molesting them. Most boys react accordingly being innocent and naive, but some don't. For those few, new tactics are used, guilt, threats, and physical abuse are then employed. Anything to cow the kid into silence, yet the predator getting what they want.
Actually it's thought to be 1 in 8 boys and 1 in 4 girls
It sucks that OP wound up burning two bridges (well, at least heavily damaging the one with the sister) because David was being a creep. All I can say for OP is that I wish OP the best. Maybe the sister is in denial, maybe she isn't and is just protective (which may include being in denial), but I hope this doesn't ruin things beyond No Return between her and OP
Who would want a sister around who's ok with her nephew being molested? wtf?
The sister burned that bridge by not wanting to see how bad her boyfriend truly was
15:15 In other words, “How would an innocent man react in that situation?” NOT LIKE THAT! That man is, in fact, a p3do, and OP is right to get her son away from him
Rslash: "Triggering part starts here"
Me: THIS WHOLE STORY IS TRIGGERING!!!!
This was wild. Thought it was just a "father and son" sort, but as the story progressed, it was going from bad to worse. This guy stalked, took child's clothes to sniff on (or whatever he does with it), broke down without denying, and so much more. Her sister can continue to deny all she wants until, if possible, she marries and has kids with that guy (wouldn't be surprised if she didn't believe her own future kids if they get groomed). He is a major creep.
The Opie should just tell The Sarah to ask The David one specific question:
_"So? What have you got to say about _*_the pillowcase,_*_ eh?"_
and then just shut up and listen to what he has to say. That should convince her.
This story made me so sick. I was in a similar situation when I was 11. Mom couldn't afford rent, so moved in with a friend of hers. I was living with my dad, but visited my mom on the weekends. The first night I was there, the friend got very drunk and made uncomfortable comments all night. After going to bed, I woke up to him kneeling beside me while I slept and whispering things. I didn't fully understand it at the time, but I was still very uncomfortable. I'm glad I haven't seen him again since my mom moved out of there, but I still get physically ill every time I pass by the neighborhood he lived in.
That story about David, OMG that was INSANE. I hope OP and her son can get out of that situation ASAP. I’m utterly shocked.
The part near the end with the pillow was... oh my god. That was horrifying to listen to. I did NOT expect that.
i have an older male coworker who i originally thought was just a kind old dude until he started taking photos of my schedule and tattoos and took group work photos of me zoomed in only on me and kept it in his phone would draw stuff on my car and leave me breathy messages about how happy i made him, when i reported it to hr he was told to keep his distance and less than a week later he kinda cornered me and started SOBBING about how he doesnt want distance between us and he just cares too much it reminds me so much of this dudes reaction like theyre not upset theyve been caught theyre upset they cant do it anymore
Uh, is anyone else wondering WHY the dudes phone would have been in the kids room in the first place? In all likely hood, he probably left it there when he was playing with Roman but I've seen too many stories where someone secretly records someone on a hidden phone to believe he misplaced it. Whether it was placed in there intentionally or was just lying
In regards to story 2:
I am personally extremely paranoid that I’ll one day I’ll have someone falsely claim that I SA’d them. Not something I’m 100% hyper fixated on but it has been a constant concern. So with that in mind I try to be as aware as contextually possible when a story like this is brought up. And even with that it was incredibly concerning. While all of these things by themselves aren’t necessarily concerning, it’s all of them piled together, the bedroom incident as well as the character 180 being the most concerning.
Edit: comment was made durring Rslashes explanation on what they believe a innocent man would do
Op is a good mom going above and beyond to protect her son. I feel so bad for him that once he finds a proper father figure, that man turns out to be a creep. This is disgusting.
No, she didn't. She allowed him to get molested/groomed for months before she figured out something was wrong. If she had protected him, she would have immediately gotten out of there.
So, I'm in a very unique position because I was ops son.
I was a foster kid, I was put in a foster home with a single woman and her 2 sons who were older than me. One son was 2 years older than me and HATED foster kids so we avoided each other and one was in his late 20's/early 30's and gave me creep vibes. One night my body set off alarm bells and I woke up in a panic because my body was screaming at me to wake up. When I woke up, the oldest son was stood at the bottom of my bed staring at me! I was 16! He mumbled that my tv was too loud (his room was in the attic above my room) but I NEVER slept with the tv on and even now, at 32, I distinctly remember that night as if it was yesterday and my tv absolutely WAS NOT turned on. i Told my social worker and I was immediately moved from the home and her foster license was revoked because I wasnt the first girl he had done this to.
If your body is telling you to run and screaming at you to pay attention, listen. This guy is a predator and op needs to get her son out of that house!
Do you know how many socks I’ve lost while doing laundry at my house for the past 10 years? One sock.
A singular sock fell in between the machines when I was transferring from washer to dryer. I found it some time later when I had to shift the machines aside for something.
I’ve lost socks, but never underwear. Now use a laundry mesh bag and only lose them when they never make it into the bag, and they usually show up in dark corners.
Yeah, I’ve never lost many clothes in a dryer. Though, I did have a pair of underwear go missing…which I found stuck to my comforter after I took it out of the dryer. Static electricity, right?
You are right. Any other man would say they want the lady and her kid out of the house, because it's a serious accusation. OP's sister doesn't want to see the truth, because she's in denial of this whole situation. That man is gross and disgusting for preying on a child.
I think the single most satisfying phrase on this channel is “And then OP posted an update” lmao
Yeah I agree rslash if anyone accused me of inappropriate incidents involving children knowing I pride myself on minding my own business, they are gone or I'm gone depending on the location
13:55 100% agree with Rslash. Theres nothing else to say. Just thats how it is.
OMG! What on earth? I was cautiously giving him the benefit of the doubt until the bedroom thing. That's when I was like NOPE! Roman likes to sleep with the door open so he clearly would have had it open that night and if David was just looking for his cell phone, he would have just walked in and started searching. He wouldn't have closed the door. And even if Roman didn't sleep with the door open, David would have just walked in and searched without closing the door because it is statistically much easier to find things at night when some light is involved so a light from the hallway would have been beneficial to him finding his phone in Roman's room. I'm not even going to get into the fact that it would be weird for the phone to even be in Roman's room in the first place. Honestly, this mom needs to report David and his horrendous behaviour to the police. I appreciate that she didn't immediately go to the police because there was a chance that it was just innocent and no matter whether he was found innocent or not that type of accusation just doesn't go away and would follow him for the rest of his life. But, things keep escalating even after confronting him and telling him that he needs to cut contact with her son. Now it is time to get the police involved because this very clearly isn't just an innocent misunderstanding because if it was, he would have for sure cut contact with her son because that's just what a normal person would do. I have always believed that parents develop strong gut feelings when it comes to their children. They usually know when something just isn't right when it comes to their children. This story just confirmed that. OP had a gut feeling that something wasn't right about David spending all this time with her son and she was right. Don't ignore your gut feelings ever because they are clearly trying to tell you something is just not right about a situation. I hope OP and Roman are doing okay and I hope David ends up in jail because he deserves it.
I normally don't want to jump to conclusions when it comes to accusations like this but the evidence is all there. He's a sick disgusting monster who needs to put on a watch list and kept as far from anyone as physically possible or something I can't put in a TH-cam Comment.
"Just because I am leaving does not mean that I'm letting David get away with what he's done."
And truthfully, just because you're leaving doesn't mean you're out of the woods. You need to be constantly vigilant until he's behind bars!