I think sometime we forget that part of the fun is being with your friends and doing stuff that's a bit gnarly. At the end of the day everyone had fun and that's what its all about right?
I've nothing against Subarus, I think they're great cars if you need to get up to the cabin or the ski resort in the snow. But watching that white 4Runner walk right up the same place where that Subaru struggled so hard perfectly illustrates the concept of having the right tool for the job.
There were 3 Subarus, and @shabba is correct, Leo took a bad line. Let’s not be rough on him, we all make mistakes here and there. He’s an experienced driver and you’ll see him exhibit his skill in the next video. There’s no doubt, the 4runner is in a different bracket when it comes to off-road capability compared to any AWD, but the same will be said about onroad handling and efficiency. I think it really comes down to what’s more important to the driver. As the future unfolds, it’s exciting to see AWDs become more capable and 4WDs become more sporty and efficient.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring that's a good point, it's true that both vehicles have trade-offs in either direction. I guess it's all about getting out there and having fun, and finding the limits of your vehicle. My apologies to Leo, I wasn't trying to call him out specifically. That's actually more rugged terrain than I've ever had my 4Runner on. Living in the Northeast, there's not a lot of opportunities for that. I definitely live on the wrong coast, hahaha.
I love that the Disco Sport is finally getting some love. I used to own one and it was a phenomenal vehicle. I now I have a GX460 and really enjoy that too!
Great video, I'm heading out to the same area over thanksgiving. Golar wash looks like a nice fire road but Mengel pass looks like there's some real axle twisters there. Looking forward to the next episode!
Thanks! It was such a scenic trail. I wish we could have camped out by the geologist cabin, but we were so pressed for time. When you plan your trip, I highly recommend you camp somewhere. Lots of cool locations in the butte valley, otherwise it’s 50 miles of offroading in one day.
Dang this looked soo fun! ive been wanting to do this trail for a while! As always, good to see the variety of vehicles and everyone chugging on through. Can't wait to see the rest and good job on vlogging. Leo had me anxious AF hahah good job getting him grounded again. That could have turned into a way worser situation. Lets get our snorkels and hit that trail when its raining lol
I’ve been wanting to do this trail ever since I saw @daklakfoto and @foresteradventures do it. This trip was a long time in the making. Compared to where you have going, this trail is right up your alley, especially with your new lift. We were able to get a 4th and 5th Gen 2.5 Outback and a 6th Gen XT through. I’m totally down for a river run 😄. I’d definitely do the trail again. I think you would find it well within your comfort zone.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Your videos are so inspiring! Now I'm really considering a Passport with a 2" lift and A/T tires instead of a 4runner to match my expected 93% road driving needs. I won't build a rig as capable as yours, but def want something for the more intermediate trails her6 in North Georgia. You mention that you would have an update on the quick disconnect sway bar links. I didn't see anything in your other videos yet. Do you have any thoughts on this to share? Thanks again for the awesome vids and the invitation to get out there!
Thanks for the kind words Bad-Ass-Dad 🙏. So, the quick disconnect sway bars didn’t end up working out. I have reason to believe that without the front sway bar, the axles may have been angled out of its effective torque range. It seemed like something was binding up. I’d get what seemed to be “transmission speed stall” which is uncharacteristic for the Passport with the ZF9. With more throttle, the revs would increase with no progress up until 3500 RPMs, which at that point there would be a sudden explosion of torque. I could be wrong, but it seemed like binding. It might be the sway bar hitting something, I’m not totally sure. Since I’ve been able to get to complete trails like Fins N Things and Imogene pass with the sway bars connected, I’ve come to the conclusion that I don’t need to mess with my front sway bars. Now, my rear sway bar is deleted, so I get some extra flex from that. Good luck on your vehicle choice. It’s a tough decision. While the 4runner is really outdated, a new one should be on the horizon. They just announced the Toyota Sequoia! The 4runner is soon to follow. If the ride quality is improved, a brand new 4runner makes a compelling choice.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring That advice about the 6th gen 4runner is very good. I would love a better balance between on and off road. Hopefully Toyota doesn't price that out of the ballpark. I'll keep an eye out after the release for your take on it. Thanks again for the great vids and info!
Awesome trip leg. We just dropped into Death Valley from Cerro Gordo above Lone Pine last week, did a great moderately tough route through the park and went on and did the Mojave Road West to East. If we had had a group to go with we definitely would have tackled some harder trails. Looking forward to seeing the next leg!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Love ur videos brah its always an awesome adventure and man the subie was flexing hard I thought it was going to go back down glad everyone made it safe for now till the next episode stay safe bro
Kevin, the guy in the White 4runner would remind us of that, but I am glad all the multiple spotters were on the same page. With the Subaru stuck on the step, it was good to have two vantage points. We weren’t expecting him turn passenger all of a sudden, and in this case, it’s was a damn good thing I was there to counter spot. In my opinion of course.
What is the Facebook group? I have been to death valley 2 since May. Would love to find a group to go with. We did Titus canyon November 8th. Nice and easy trip
Leo almost rolled that Subie, he seemed like he was in distress and you calmed him down Jon, honestly if it wasnt for yall he was gonna roll that bitch over. I would love to join you for a run one day, I’m more of a overlander than rock crawler not into the trails where other youtubers flex about “if we mess up we will roll to our deaths” thats not the kind of trails I’m into. I have a reg cab tacoma 4x4 and I live in Los Angeles. Love your vidz.
We gotta hang out sometime Pauly! Many of us are overlanders as well, and this trail is still within overlander territory. I’d say moderate 4WD difficulty isn’t rock crawling 😃. I’m so glad Leo got through just fine. I almost want to say that I gave overlander guidance and that’s why I asked for him to back down. Off-roader guidance would probably be to “SEND IT”!!! 🤣🤣
@@yotagang3705 here's the link to the Facebook page. While we're not trying to keep the page a secret, we are also not trying to promote it and have it grow too large out of control. Honestly, I think we just want people to join that want to go all in on this lifestyle, including being responsible in our public lands. facebook.com/groups/1097379240623726
@@JonDZ_Adventuring yeah im all about that, im not the send it guy full reckless crazy guy, i prefer a nice trail and break a sweat here and ther but no getting close to walls and possibly flipping over and dying lol I dont even have a facebook but ill make one
I have a 2021 Sport with a 3" factory lift running 265/60R18 all terrains installed from the dealer. I am having an overly sensitive steering experience to the point that the car is very darty and unstable, almost uncontrollable at highway speeds. Now with icy roads it's hard to even keep it on the road. Has anyone had any experiences along this line? Is the steering sensitivity adjustable do lower the sensitivity at highway speeds? TIA
Yikes! The Hondas don’t come with a 3 inch lift from the factory, so is that a dealer Installed lift kit? Do you know who made it? I personally run a Traxda lift kit and to my knowledge it’s the only kit with front camber adjustment. Also, I’d like to know how that 3 inch kit was accomplished. Was there a subframe drop to bring the angle of the axles and driveshaft within spec? If there’s no subframe drop then that’s a super sketchy setup. Traxda 3.5” lifted midsized Hondas handle very close to OEM.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring This is a vaguely described, dealer installed "Adventure Series Suspension Kit" including a 3" suspension lift system, wheels and tires. I don't know the name of the suspension system but from my inspection it is a coil over top spacer with no subframe drop. As an avid full-size 4x4 off roader as well as Polaris Rzr's trailer rider, I do recognize the issues associated with improper lifts affecting CV axle angles and steering geometry. I am unsure of how to rectify this hyper sensitive steering control that worsens at highway speeds. I know many autos and newer side by sides have electronic steering control that is designed to be sensitive at slower speed for maneuverability and greater driver feedback but then is electronically dampened to lower sensitivity at higher driving speeds to help minimize over correction and dartiness in the steering. I hoped someone had feed back on if these Passports have that adjustability feature. After 5,000 miles, In the current state, I do not feel safe allowing my wife and child to continue to use this Passport for commuting duty. Thus I reach out for community feed back thru you as I recognize you are one of the most knowledgeable Honda Passport contributors I can find on YT. Thank you again. -Steve
Oh my! With no subframe drop, that sounds incredible sketchy. Do you have Instagram? Can you send me pictures of the angle of your axles? My Instagram is @jondz_adventuring
I planned this event 2.5 months in advanced and people took the time off from work. All these trips take is 1.) time 2.) fuel and 3.) food. Shouldn’t break the bank.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks! My wording was bad, I was just curious if you guys did this during the weekends and worked regular jobs during the weekday.
You need to maybe make an announcement to your crew before you go out that if a spotter is spotting you, it's a good idea to listen to them and not just do whatever they want to. I watched you give instructions to a few people and they just did what they wanted to. I know you know the importance of good spotters but they don't make any difference if nobody listens to you ;/
I have something to confess…. During the driver meeting…. I told everyone “don’t blame the spotter if you wreck your vehicle. Its up to you to decide if you want to trust them or not. Get out and walk the obstacle if you’re unsure”. I hear about so many offroad clubs get sued for trail damage. Our Facebook page is not a club or group. I’ve been on so many trips with the driver of the Outback. That’s my buddy Leo. Haha! He’s a good driver and in surprised he goofed up there.
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Awesome! But man, how embarrassing for that guy that drove over the concrete block.
XD
You were just testing the skids, for science
🤣😂. Good times man!!
@@beanburnham01 exactly! You have to get your money’s worth with these things.
Hahaha! You showed us the importance of skid plates!!!!
I think sometime we forget that part of the fun is being with your friends and doing stuff that's a bit gnarly. At the end of the day everyone had fun and that's what its all about right?
Awwwww nail biter for the next episode!!
It was nice to see you on the trip!
I dig the variety of vehicles wheeling together. Good stuff.
I've nothing against Subarus, I think they're great cars if you need to get up to the cabin or the ski resort in the snow. But watching that white 4Runner walk right up the same place where that Subaru struggled so hard perfectly illustrates the concept of having the right tool for the job.
there were i think 2 subarus, the other one made it with no sweat
Haha - more than one Subaru made it ez. That was just a terrible line
There were 3 Subarus, and @shabba is correct, Leo took a bad line. Let’s not be rough on him, we all make mistakes here and there. He’s an experienced driver and you’ll see him exhibit his skill in the next video.
There’s no doubt, the 4runner is in a different bracket when it comes to off-road capability compared to any AWD, but the same will be said about onroad handling and efficiency. I think it really comes down to what’s more important to the driver. As the future unfolds, it’s exciting to see AWDs become more capable and 4WDs become more sporty and efficient.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring that's a good point, it's true that both vehicles have trade-offs in either direction. I guess it's all about getting out there and having fun, and finding the limits of your vehicle. My apologies to Leo, I wasn't trying to call him out specifically. That's actually more rugged terrain than I've ever had my 4Runner on. Living in the Northeast, there's not a lot of opportunities for that. I definitely live on the wrong coast, hahaha.
I love that the Disco Sport is finally getting some love. I used to own one and it was a phenomenal vehicle. I now I have a GX460 and really enjoy that too!
Dirt lifestyle Nate was at those cabins just a few days before you were there lol that was the Tacoma, WA signature in the guest book lol
I'd have totally fangirled out if I saw Nate's signature there, LOL.
@@trailrunnah8886 here is the video that I just watched yesterday lol th-cam.com/video/74de7dohTEI/w-d-xo.html
I watched his episode as I was making mine😃. That’s so cool! I didn’t realize I signed in right next to him 😃
Awsome video. Good job Leo getting through.
Thanks Nick and Nancy! It was such a fun trip!
Good fun, good memories, your videos are unlike any other!
Awesome videos John!. Thank you. Happy trails brother.
Great video, I'm heading out to the same area over thanksgiving. Golar wash looks like a nice fire road but Mengel pass looks like there's some real axle twisters there. Looking forward to the next episode!
Thanks! It was such a scenic trail. I wish we could have camped out by the geologist cabin, but we were so pressed for time. When you plan your trip, I highly recommend you camp somewhere. Lots of cool locations in the butte valley, otherwise it’s 50 miles of offroading in one day.
You left us on such a Cliffhanger ;)
🤣! You were the cliffhanger 😇
Well done JDZ! 🤙🏾
Thanks Rob!!!
Great video brother! We were all extremely impressed with all the rigs. much respect!
Thanks @510_JK! 🙏
Awesome stuff as always! Cool to see more footage of those F-150s!
There will be a lot more footage of them in the next video! Stay tuned 😃
Dang this looked soo fun! ive been wanting to do this trail for a while! As always, good to see the variety of vehicles and everyone chugging on through. Can't wait to see the rest and good job on vlogging. Leo had me anxious AF hahah good job getting him grounded again. That could have turned into a way worser situation. Lets get our snorkels and hit that trail when its raining lol
I’ve been wanting to do this trail ever since I saw @daklakfoto and @foresteradventures do it. This trip was a long time in the making. Compared to where you have going, this trail is right up your alley, especially with your new lift. We were able to get a 4th and 5th Gen 2.5 Outback and a 6th Gen XT through. I’m totally down for a river run 😄. I’d definitely do the trail again. I think you would find it well within your comfort zone.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Your videos are so inspiring! Now I'm really considering a Passport with a 2" lift and A/T tires instead of a 4runner to match my expected 93% road driving needs. I won't build a rig as capable as yours, but def want something for the more intermediate trails her6 in North Georgia.
You mention that you would have an update on the quick disconnect sway bar links. I didn't see anything in your other videos yet. Do you have any thoughts on this to share?
Thanks again for the awesome vids and the invitation to get out there!
Thanks for the kind words Bad-Ass-Dad 🙏. So, the quick disconnect sway bars didn’t end up working out. I have reason to believe that without the front sway bar, the axles may have been angled out of its effective torque range. It seemed like something was binding up. I’d get what seemed to be “transmission speed stall” which is uncharacteristic for the Passport with the ZF9. With more throttle, the revs would increase with no progress up until 3500 RPMs, which at that point there would be a sudden explosion of torque. I could be wrong, but it seemed like binding. It might be the sway bar hitting something, I’m not totally sure.
Since I’ve been able to get to complete trails like Fins N Things and Imogene pass with the sway bars connected, I’ve come to the conclusion that I don’t need to mess with my front sway bars. Now, my rear sway bar is deleted, so I get some extra flex from that.
Good luck on your vehicle choice. It’s a tough decision. While the 4runner is really outdated, a new one should be on the horizon. They just announced the Toyota Sequoia! The 4runner is soon to follow. If the ride quality is improved, a brand new 4runner makes a compelling choice.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring That advice about the 6th gen 4runner is very good. I would love a better balance between on and off road. Hopefully Toyota doesn't price that out of the ballpark. I'll keep an eye out after the release for your take on it. Thanks again for the great vids and info!
Awesome trip leg. We just dropped into Death Valley from Cerro Gordo above Lone Pine last week, did a great moderately tough route through the park and went on and did the Mojave Road West to East. If we had had a group to go with we definitely would have tackled some harder trails. Looking forward to seeing the next leg!
Sounds like a fun time!!!
Awesome video as always. The little Landy’s pretty good. That looks like a sweet trail. You’re lucky to have so many nice trails close to you.
Thanks Robbie! Yes, I feel very fortunate. I’d love to be centralized in a place like Nevada, but im not complaining
It's Friday, and JonDZ posting a new video is a great start to the weekend.
Haha! Thanks Mark
First thumbs up cuz this man jon DZ is always on a mission thanks for sharing brah 🤙🏽
Thanks for the unconditional love ❤️! You da Man!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring
Love ur videos brah its always an awesome adventure and man the subie was flexing hard I thought it was going to go back down glad everyone made it safe for now till the next episode stay safe bro
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Darn! My Wife and I walked out on that movie because we thought it was too boring. I’ll have to watch it again 😃
Doing that one soon. Hoping for good weather.
👍 great
I want to go on one of your runs. I’m in so cal.
Come on out! You can find our events on the Facebook page we’re apart of called “crossoverlanding (hub)”
Cool , I’ll have to check that out and get in on a trip.
15:08 there is a bypass to the bypass 😂
Great video and it looks like a fun trip! Do you have a GPS track you are willing to share?
That’s it. Leo’s gonna pay that Toyota tax.
haha! we'll see!
Hi Jon! Will a 4Runner TRD Pro with a Smittybilt Scout trailer make it through this pass?
Lifestyle overland took a trailer through with their 4runner. I can be done.
My 19' Cherokee Trailhawk handled it no problem...Jeep, like no other
Do y’all ever get any KIA’s on the trails with you?
I have yet to go on a trip with a KIA or even a Hyundai, but one day it’s bound to happen 😃
One spotter is alot safer than a group of spotters.
Kevin, the guy in the White 4runner would remind us of that, but I am glad all the multiple spotters were on the same page. With the Subaru stuck on the step, it was good to have two vantage points. We weren’t expecting him turn passenger all of a sudden, and in this case, it’s was a damn good thing I was there to counter spot. In my opinion of course.
How does someone be a part of this? I live in Kansas and want to get out there but travel with a group and meet new folks?
Is there a way I can join the offroad group ? I have a gx470
Why no videos on maintenance or repairs on the Passport?
Not true. I have a video on changing the rear differential fluid.
What is the Facebook group? I have been to death valley 2 since May. Would love to find a group to go with. We did Titus canyon November 8th. Nice and easy trip
Leo almost rolled that Subie, he seemed like he was in distress and you calmed him down Jon, honestly if it wasnt for yall he was gonna roll that bitch over. I would love to join you for a run one day, I’m more of a overlander than rock crawler not into the trails where other youtubers flex about “if we mess up we will roll to our deaths” thats not the kind of trails I’m into. I have a reg cab tacoma 4x4 and I live in Los Angeles. Love your vidz.
We gotta hang out sometime Pauly! Many of us are overlanders as well, and this trail is still within overlander territory. I’d say moderate 4WD difficulty isn’t rock crawling 😃. I’m so glad Leo got through just fine. I almost want to say that I gave overlander guidance and that’s why I asked for him to back down. Off-roader guidance would probably be to “SEND IT”!!! 🤣🤣
@@JonDZ_Adventuring how do i sign up
@@yotagang3705 here's the link to the Facebook page. While we're not trying to keep the page a secret, we are also not trying to promote it and have it grow too large out of control. Honestly, I think we just want people to join that want to go all in on this lifestyle, including being responsible in our public lands. facebook.com/groups/1097379240623726
@@JonDZ_Adventuring yeah im all about that, im not the send it guy full reckless crazy guy, i prefer a nice trail and break a sweat here and ther but no getting close to walls and possibly flipping over and dying lol I dont even have a facebook but ill make one
Lol
I have a 2021 Sport with a 3" factory lift running 265/60R18 all terrains installed from the dealer. I am having an overly sensitive steering experience to the point that the car is very darty and unstable, almost uncontrollable at highway speeds. Now with icy roads it's hard to even keep it on the road. Has anyone had any experiences along this line? Is the steering sensitivity adjustable do lower the sensitivity at highway speeds? TIA
Yikes! The Hondas don’t come with a 3 inch lift from the factory, so is that a dealer Installed lift kit? Do you know who made it? I personally run a Traxda lift kit and to my knowledge it’s the only kit with front camber adjustment. Also, I’d like to know how that 3 inch kit was accomplished. Was there a subframe drop to bring the angle of the axles and driveshaft within spec? If there’s no subframe drop then that’s a super sketchy setup. Traxda 3.5” lifted midsized Hondas handle very close to OEM.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring This is a vaguely described, dealer installed "Adventure Series Suspension Kit" including a 3" suspension lift system, wheels and tires. I don't know the name of the suspension system but from my inspection it is a coil over top spacer with no subframe drop. As an avid full-size 4x4 off roader as well as Polaris Rzr's trailer rider, I do recognize the issues associated with improper lifts affecting CV axle angles and steering geometry. I am unsure of how to rectify this hyper sensitive steering control that worsens at highway speeds. I know many autos and newer side by sides have electronic steering control that is designed to be sensitive at slower speed for maneuverability and greater driver feedback but then is electronically dampened to lower sensitivity at higher driving speeds to help minimize over correction and dartiness in the steering. I hoped someone had feed back on if these Passports have that adjustability feature. After 5,000 miles, In the current state, I do not feel safe allowing my wife and child to continue to use this Passport for commuting duty. Thus I reach out for community feed back thru you as I recognize you are one of the most knowledgeable Honda Passport contributors I can find on YT. Thank you again.
-Steve
Oh my! With no subframe drop, that sounds incredible sketchy. Do you have Instagram? Can you send me pictures of the angle of your axles? My Instagram is @jondz_adventuring
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thank you! I will look into how to set up a page.
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May I ask, how you and your group fund these long trips? Do you and your group have 9-5 jobs and take vacations or some other way?
As far as I know everyone has a 9 to 5. We do at least. This was a 3 day trip so a weekend trip
I planned this event 2.5 months in advanced and people took the time off from work. All these trips take is 1.) time 2.) fuel and 3.) food. Shouldn’t break the bank.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks! My wording was bad, I was just curious if you guys did this during the weekends and worked regular jobs during the weekday.
@@aoweichenqi8144 these trips are on the weekends, and I’d imagine everyone has a full time job. These vehicles we have aren’t cheap.
What is your Facebook group link. I can’t find it when searching by your handle
crossoverlanding (hub)
You need to maybe make an announcement to your crew before you go out that if a spotter is spotting you, it's a good idea to listen to them and not just do whatever they want to. I watched you give instructions to a few people and they just did what they wanted to. I know you know the importance of good spotters but they don't make any difference if nobody listens to you ;/
In fact all the drama with the outback and the busted bumper wouldn't have happened if he had listened to your instructions when you gave them
I have something to confess…. During the driver meeting…. I told everyone “don’t blame the spotter if you wreck your vehicle. Its up to you to decide if you want to trust them or not. Get out and walk the obstacle if you’re unsure”. I hear about so many offroad clubs get sued for trail damage. Our Facebook page is not a club or group. I’ve been on so many trips with the driver of the Outback. That’s my buddy Leo. Haha! He’s a good driver and in surprised he goofed up there.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring liability waivers 😂😂😂
Minute 21.00+
yellow lights on the blue truck are totally unnecessary and annoying.