Regarding the private Bolas list - I can understand it. I can see an argument for originality to stay in the format. Most people are just googling blue farm and copying, some go as daring as copying other deck. But original brews are hard to find. I think part of being good is also being able to create a good deck, which has now largely being cut out of the picture with the netdeck meta.
8:49 One thing I think you also missed about Aluando is that he lets you cheat timing restrictions with his ability. So you can absolutely go off on someone elses turn if need be and your pieces are suspended with his ability.
5:50 so, what i hate about this comparison, every single time. Is that Alando doesnt grant suspend, the cards do not loose a time counter on upkeep, and everyone always shortcuts to calling it suspend
I am one of the guys who came with snakerama and have been playing with him and this version of the deck for over a year. He was so amazed to keep winning and to get more eyes on it. He wishes everyone had a wonderful time.
Man Ian really hates whir! I get that it is triple blue but it seems perfect for tivit. If triple blue is the only downside I think the instant speed tutor with improvise has to be worth it
I've been saying that some kind of cut to top 36/40 would work so well for a bit now! I love that so much, feels really nice to incentivize people to actually play XD
I was at LotusCon and unfortunately missed a potential feature match with you round 2 because my round 1 was recorded wrong. The flamewar opponent you faced was my round 1 opponent i had beat.
Whats up dude!! Congratulations on the wins. It makes me feel good about my changes to your dawnwaker thrasios deck when i played it.(thoracle and counterspell battles) I dont have a cradle so i shave the cradle and a counterspell and replace it with vizier of remedies and glen elendra. Which as we all know combos with druid as well😄 Insane kinnan deck my friend.
It is amazing how this was Krasus's first cEDH tournament. Sure they've done a lot of local play and 1v1 edh, but nothing on this level. The local playgroup I am in knew they would perform well, but #2 was insane to us. GGs to everyone at Lotus Con
Congratulations for winning another cedh tournament. I appreciate the breakdowns you do. My friends are getting back to playing live tournaments. Id love to see you do a series on budget decks to get into cedh or the best decks to start with and how to level them up as you go.
Glad to see my dawnwaker list here in spot number 1. I will say, abolisher has been huge in every game I won. Look forward to the next tournament. Dawnwaker has always been good to me. You set up the base incredibly.
@@josephbienek4504 good days pleasure meeting you all and nothing but the best wishes moving forward. Hopefully no more “deck drama” in your future. See you in the top 16 Evelyn v. Nicky B
The long awaited release of elder scrolls6! It was a great tournament A few things were scuffed The late start was brutal. But overall judges did great And the venue was awesome
@@ComedIanMTG would definitely be waiting for it. Slowly building a way to Kinnan CEDH deck, and now it went a bit faster seeing you win back to back tournaments with it.
As a top 200 player at Lotus Con who strongly went 0-5 with Gruul Etali, these finals were great with amazing plays out of all 4 players with crazy interactions
Any chance for an updated Kinnan deck tech video? I know Wounded Satellite has one, but his list is on perplexing lines and plays quite a bit differently in a lot of situations.
With the Bolas world gorger combo is it possible to do something like... create infinite mana with gorger, animate another target creature in the yard to stop it (gorger in graveyard). cast ravager, activate/flip ravager, -4 bolas returning to the battlefield gorger, loop it and flicker bolas each time returning it with the -4. now you would need a payoff like bowmasters, sunscortched desert etc. does that work? and if you have ravager out first you have the bonus of them discarding them all their hands
Man, I remember you saying that you wished to win that first Twister because you don't own one. Now seeing this video made me super happy for you, best cedh creator in the game
Alaundo doesn’t give Suspend to the cards he exiles, so they only lose counters through his ability, not during your upkeep (unless they already had Suspend on their own). I guess with sufficient ways to untap him it can work, but it always felt clunky having to do so for him to ever be able to go off
So if I were to guess, Bowmasters would b another outlet for Gorger. With Hullbreaker Horror you can also do the flip and bounce trick that you can with BarrinSide. Lobster also p easy to cheat in on reanimator strats ofc. Would love to see this list, been thinking about Bolas the Ravager for a while and def wanna pick the pilot’s brain.
I love how there's a bunch of decks in top cut that feel like they're ripped straight out of the 2018/2019 ethos of deck building, shit dope as fuck also re: mastermind post bowmasters, its a fantastic tymna attacker and good in the 4c mirrors. bowmasters has other shit it needs to ping in them imo, and you really want the extra cheap flash attacker while you hold up instants. that said its only good in the mirror which is why I cut it. not as many mirrors in the locals
So would you say Kinnan is the new "Thrasios & Tymna" aka. the tier 0 commander, aka the ultimate titan, the most powerful deck? It's a bit odd, because it's green, and green is the weakest cEDH colour. But I guess his ability to be able to just play a creature from the top 7 is very powerful + double mana as well.
There's a big tournament next month in Portugal. More than 100 People for now! And would you like to play a game for my youtube channel? I can ask Tremnek as wel, he's a friend of mine!
YO THAT'S ME!!!! The group at the LGS ain't hearing the end of this one lol ALSO the list Ian had up wasn't correct to the list I played for the event. Only change should be Goblin Matron out, Red Elemental Blast in
Can anyone weigh in on the potential cheating accusations for someone that made the 2nd day? I don't know anything about it myself other than overhearing multiple people talking about it and also people speaking with the judges about it.
I would love to, unfortunately there wasn't enough concrete evidence to accuse anyone in an official capacity. There was one player in particular who had a noteworthy exception in this video. Correlations between these two events could be made.
Tbh, can we call it a for fun format when there is significant money on the line? I get where he is coming from, I was honestly annoyed at Ian saying he desperately wanted to get the list (I get it content creator and dope lists do numbers); but definitely old man magic of tournaments past crept in and was like "let the list be a secret" it feels nice and it gives ppl the exploratory bug to actually delve into Good ol Nic. 🤷🏽♂️my 2bucks
@@lat1n0_h0t it's a matter of priorities, mine are getting folks to play a format I love by making information available. People can have different values, which is fine, but equally I can be dissapointed in that choice
@@ComedIanMTG 100% everyone can feel disappointed in the lack of information. But to also hear that you would try to pull some strings to get your hands on the list (not in a malicious way at all, I understand you just want the info to be free) just left a bitter taste of like damn no cool tech can be a secret anymore huh. I definitely enjoy your content, just bummed that's all.
@lat1n0_h0t I, too, like the secret sauce approach because it shakes people up and makes them think about what else is out there besides blue farm or Kennan.... or turbo naus...
@@syndicate5357 he said I should run a wheel in my list, and that is incorrect. Wheels are bad. Giving your opponents 21 cards in a format where the card quality is so high. As well as giving 3 players the opportunity to hit you for 21. as well as the prevalence of channle abilities in lists to ruin combo turns. With the inclusion of TOR you don't need a wheel. wheels are bad.
@justinlopez8977 what size tournaments? What and who did you play against? There's so many places for variance and permutations here it's unreal. And as I've said wheels have won me games but you have to evaluate what you're against and play what you are more comfortable with then strategy wise But I stand by the "playing them wrong is bad" stance
Decks:
www.moxfield.com/bookmarks/r8KZV-lotuscon-2023
"I just keep winning timetwisters!" Is a pretty great tag line. Happy for you
Regarding the private Bolas list - I can understand it. I can see an argument for originality to stay in the format. Most people are just googling blue farm and copying, some go as daring as copying other deck. But original brews are hard to find. I think part of being good is also being able to create a good deck, which has now largely being cut out of the picture with the netdeck meta.
8:49 One thing I think you also missed about Aluando is that he lets you cheat timing restrictions with his ability.
So you can absolutely go off on someone elses turn if need be and your pieces are suspended with his ability.
What?!
How are you removing the time counters in their turn? Ah his ability removes a counter okay
5:50 so, what i hate about this comparison, every single time.
Is that Alando doesnt grant suspend, the cards do not loose a time counter on upkeep, and everyone always shortcuts to calling it suspend
Good point!
That mizzix list is literally "Who let this guy cook?".deck
I am one of the guys who came with snakerama and have been playing with him and this version of the deck for over a year. He was so amazed to keep winning and to get more eyes on it. He wishes everyone had a wonderful time.
I'm the tivit player, I like whir cause you can get imposter mech or metamorph to win on top of a thassa's with your own consultation
Man Ian really hates whir! I get that it is triple blue but it seems perfect for tivit. If triple blue is the only downside I think the instant speed tutor with improvise has to be worth it
Can't believe I wasn't subscribed before today! I just started playing cEDH recently with Kinnan, and you've been a huge resource!
Well glad you could finally join us :D
I've been saying that some kind of cut to top 36/40 would work so well for a bit now! I love that so much, feels really nice to incentivize people to actually play XD
Yeah I'm a big fan tooA
Please do give us an update on the Nicol Bolas list. Would love to understand the loops.
CEDH Good stuff is what we get here! Thanks for the video bro. Great kinnan deck. i play a similar one on my playgroup, so consistent.
I was at LotusCon and unfortunately missed a potential feature match with you round 2 because my round 1 was recorded wrong. The flamewar opponent you faced was my round 1 opponent i had beat.
Oh no :/
Rust is my local Magda player! He is a die hard mono red player and an incredible Magda pilot! Good job Rust!
Say hi, to him from the Evelyn player. Did he win that dual day 2?
Sweet video! Thanks for the breakdown! And congratulations on your second win!!! That's incredibly awesome to hear!
Congrats mate, I think 2023 is your year my friend. You’ve solidified yourself as the king of cEDH
Whats up dude!! Congratulations on the wins.
It makes me feel good about my changes to your dawnwaker thrasios deck when i played it.(thoracle and counterspell battles) I dont have a cradle so i shave the cradle and a counterspell and replace it with vizier of remedies and glen elendra. Which as we all know combos with druid as well😄
Insane kinnan deck my friend.
It is amazing how this was Krasus's first cEDH tournament. Sure they've done a lot of local play and 1v1 edh, but nothing on this level. The local playgroup I am in knew they would perform well, but #2 was insane to us. GGs to everyone at Lotus Con
Passion is rewarded one way or another! Timetwister is just a bonus. Congrats on the win, Ian!
Congratulations for winning another cedh tournament. I appreciate the breakdowns you do. My friends are getting back to playing live tournaments. Id love to see you do a series on budget decks to get into cedh or the best decks to start with and how to level them up as you go.
Are the decklists for this event posted anywhere? None of the links in the description take you towards finding them.
They should be on EDHTOP16 soon
Congrats Comedian!!! Love your videos and you’re awesome!!!
I have stopped playing EDH and cEDH for constructed play. but it's always fun to see your videos about how you do at these tourneys!
Glad to see my dawnwaker list here in spot number 1. I will say, abolisher has been huge in every game I won.
Look forward to the next tournament.
Dawnwaker has always been good to me. You set up the base incredibly.
Congratulations!!! Amazing historical story to pass on!!!
I haven't seen someone try to hide a deck list like that since I was playing yugioh as a young teenager lol
Hey Tex
Should’ve played Evelyn
If you get this message good luck in Montana
Cheers
Maybe one day we’ll get to see that dragon tech
Howdy!!! Bub it was so sweet that I got the head judge to cheer yall up with that " John you should have played Evelyn "
Trying to get the info again huh?.......
@@josephbienek4504 good days pleasure meeting you all and nothing but the best wishes moving forward. Hopefully no more “deck drama” in your future. See you in the top 16 Evelyn v. Nicky B
@@HellTails1 though some booze might loosen his lips. But no way
@@johnweinhandl8890He was already loosen up before he started playing. lol
I need that Reyhan/Kraum list!!!!
The long awaited release of elder scrolls6!
It was a great tournament
A few things were scuffed
The late start was brutal.
But overall judges did great
And the venue was awesome
Contratulations on the monumental 2 game win. Any chance you'll have a primer for Kinnan on moxfield or here on your channel?
I can definitely look into getting one on the channel!
@@ComedIanMTG would definitely be waiting for it. Slowly building a way to Kinnan CEDH deck, and now it went a bit faster seeing you win back to back tournaments with it.
As a top 200 player at Lotus Con who strongly went 0-5 with Gruul Etali, these finals were great with amazing plays out of all 4 players with crazy interactions
List of your etali?
Izzet storm coming through again. Bring the thunder!!
Didn't compete, but I did go to the convention. Was fun to play casual & get artist autographs, congrats!
What a diverse top 16! Seems like such a crazy heathy meta.
Alaundo does not grant spells suspend, it only puts time counters on them. You won't remove counters on upkeep.
Hey great job. I need to figure out how to get a setup so I can get coaching from you. Love the Kinnan win! Congrats!
Absolutely! Feel free to dm me on discord or Twitter :)
You can also email me at ComedIanmtg@gmail.com
Any chance for an updated Kinnan deck tech video? I know Wounded Satellite has one, but his list is on perplexing lines and plays quite a bit differently in a lot of situations.
I am trying to find time yeah
I am trying to find time yeah
Congrats Ian, you’re killing it!!!
Yo, congrats Ian! How do we find the lists?
With the Bolas world gorger combo is it possible to do something like... create infinite mana with gorger, animate another target creature in the yard to stop it (gorger in graveyard). cast ravager, activate/flip ravager, -4 bolas returning to the battlefield gorger, loop it and flicker bolas each time returning it with the -4. now you would need a payoff like bowmasters, sunscortched desert etc. does that work? and if you have ravager out first you have the bonus of them discarding them all their hands
Man, I remember you saying that you wished to win that first Twister because you don't own one. Now seeing this video made me super happy for you, best cedh creator in the game
Congratulations! You are a legend! 🎉
Alaundo doesn’t give Suspend to the cards he exiles, so they only lose counters through his ability, not during your upkeep (unless they already had Suspend on their own).
I guess with sufficient ways to untap him it can work, but it always felt clunky having to do so for him to ever be able to go off
Yeah I would also have liked to see that ravager deck but it was explained to me as to why its private and I respect the decision.
Are these tournaments allowing proxies?
Depends on the event.
Some yes, some a limited amount
So if I were to guess, Bowmasters would b another outlet for Gorger. With Hullbreaker Horror you can also do the flip and bounce trick that you can with BarrinSide. Lobster also p easy to cheat in on reanimator strats ofc. Would love to see this list, been thinking about Bolas the Ravager for a while and def wanna pick the pilot’s brain.
Did u ever get that NicolBolas list?
This bro is become the cedh goat fr. Let him cook!!! 🎉
Is there a link to the decklists anywhere?
Check the description
As soon as they're up they will be here
I love how there's a bunch of decks in top cut that feel like they're ripped straight out of the 2018/2019 ethos of deck building, shit dope as fuck
also re: mastermind post bowmasters, its a fantastic tymna attacker and good in the 4c mirrors. bowmasters has other shit it needs to ping in them imo, and you really want the extra cheap flash attacker while you hold up instants. that said its only good in the mirror which is why I cut it. not as many mirrors in the locals
How I learned to stop worrying and love the Timetwister
Your microphone is blocking the view on cards. Would love if you could update the card lists in your description when they are out
where can I see a picture of the LotusCon Event?
Back to back?!?!?!?!? Grats dude!
Been waiting for this video.😁
Congratulations!!
45:00 The Green Ad Nauseaum?
I was gonna go to lotuscon but finances set me back. Im literally an hour away too. Ill be there next year
Agatha’s Soul Caldron + Razaketh is really good.
YOU WON ANOTHER ONE!? Congrats dude!
Are there vods of any of the rounds?
Eventually Monarch will have them on TH-cam
Love the videos, but could you swap your mic to the other side? It blocks a lot of what you are trying to show.
Trying to find a setup that balances audio and visual :) thanks for the feedback, I'll keep working at it
Top 40 or the point system that the Crimson tournament had? Which do you think is better?
Top 40 by a long shot
@@ComedIanMTG even though it allows for more ID?
@@syndicate5357 I don't think I does. If anything the Crimson Lion format allowed for more ID than the Top 40
So would you say Kinnan is the new "Thrasios & Tymna" aka. the tier 0 commander, aka the ultimate titan, the most powerful deck? It's a bit odd, because it's green, and green is the weakest cEDH colour. But I guess his ability to be able to just play a creature from the top 7 is very powerful + double mana as well.
where are the decklists for this event?
www.moxfield.com/bookmarks/r8KZV-lotuscon-2023
I definitely like this structure too, drawing is a viable strategy but an overused one in cEDH.
How does the lucas will team work? I'm unclear on it
Going for the playset
If you’re gonna keep winning you definitely need an altered commander 😎👉🏼👉🏼
how does mirage mirror filter infinite colorless into colored mana?
With infinite mana you can stack activations alternating between turning it into a land to filter and basalt monolith to untap it.
Would love the links to the lists!
www.moxfield.com/bookmarks/r8KZV-lotuscon-2023
There's a big tournament next month in Portugal. More than 100 People for now!
And would you like to play a game for my youtube channel? I can ask Tremnek as wel, he's a friend of mine!
Ian is the GOAT!
The title should’ve been called “How I Won a Timetwister and Paid my Rent for the next 6 months in 8 days”
Before you ask yes I am having fun with this lmaoo
Interesting that you aren’t on Soul Cauldron. Can you explain your thought process?
Mirage mirror does similar things but helps to convert shared summons into a 1 card wincon
You must be some kinda beast 🤔 I been following you for awhile kinda feeling out the cedh meta... n now I really just wanna play you.
Timetwisters 2, comedy 0.
I’m surprised that you got the owner “MarcAnthony” to answer you. He’s not answering anyone regarding the playmats that he’s not following through on.
This was before that incident.
If you check my Twitter I dropped a statement about no linger working with them given the circumstances
YO THAT'S ME!!!!
The group at the LGS ain't hearing the end of this one lol
ALSO the list Ian had up wasn't correct to the list I played for the event. Only change should be Goblin Matron out, Red Elemental Blast in
Congrats Ian! Lifetime achievement!!!
Win a time twister with ONE SIMPLE TRICK!…
>I keep winning tournaments, all it took was using decks that cost thousands of dollars
So is everyone there 🤷
Also the format is extremely proxy friendly
Can anyone weigh in on the potential cheating accusations for someone that made the 2nd day? I don't know anything about it myself other than overhearing multiple people talking about it and also people speaking with the judges about it.
I would love to, unfortunately there wasn't enough concrete evidence to accuse anyone in an official capacity.
There was one player in particular who had a noteworthy exception in this video. Correlations between these two events could be made.
LeBron (of CEDH) back to back Championships! Congrats.
withholding your list in a for fun format is so strange to me lmao especially when it actually does not matter
He’s a tournament grinder goes from tournament to tournament. Nice guy actually, had a drink with him. don’t read into it to much
Tbh, can we call it a for fun format when there is significant money on the line? I get where he is coming from, I was honestly annoyed at Ian saying he desperately wanted to get the list (I get it content creator and dope lists do numbers); but definitely old man magic of tournaments past crept in and was like "let the list be a secret" it feels nice and it gives ppl the exploratory bug to actually delve into Good ol Nic. 🤷🏽♂️my 2bucks
@@lat1n0_h0t it's a matter of priorities, mine are getting folks to play a format I love by making information available. People can have different values, which is fine, but equally I can be dissapointed in that choice
@@ComedIanMTG 100% everyone can feel disappointed in the lack of information. But to also hear that you would try to pull some strings to get your hands on the list (not in a malicious way at all, I understand you just want the info to be free) just left a bitter taste of like damn no cool tech can be a secret anymore huh. I definitely enjoy your content, just bummed that's all.
@lat1n0_h0t I, too, like the secret sauce approach because it shakes people up and makes them think about what else is out there besides blue farm or Kennan.... or turbo naus...
Hi
Hey
Strange behavior the ENTIRE event followed by privatizing the deck list…. Hmm smells shady.
I have to speed up all these videos on 1.5 speed anyways you can make them shorter?
I prefer the longer content to give him time to really dissect each deck.
I like your shirt lol
"Not playing any wheel. I would play at least one wheel here"
Flexing with your TTs a bit ?
😅 not necessarily what I was implying 🤣🤣
He can't keep getting away with it! 😄💪
👍
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Wheels are bad
People keep saying this but they win me games so I dunno, maybe playing them wrong is what's bad
@@syndicate5357 he said I should run a wheel in my list, and that is incorrect. Wheels are bad. Giving your opponents 21 cards in a format where the card quality is so high. As well as giving 3 players the opportunity to hit you for 21. as well as the prevalence of channle abilities in lists to ruin combo turns. With the inclusion of TOR you don't need a wheel. wheels are bad.
Win some tournaments and maybe people will listen to you
@@omeganova4332 I have 4 top 16s one of which is a win. I have only played in 4 tournaments.
@justinlopez8977 what size tournaments? What and who did you play against? There's so many places for variance and permutations here it's unreal.
And as I've said wheels have won me games but you have to evaluate what you're against and play what you are more comfortable with then strategy wise
But I stand by the "playing them wrong is bad" stance
Dude you're a fucking baller.