Insane beast of an athlete for sure. I was on varsity football as a freshman, because I was fast as hell and I was on the team for wide receiver and kicker both. I broke a couple records when I was younger running track, it’s always the early bloomers that can really set some records. Jim Ryan, though was a whole other beast. Some of these folks are in a whole different league than the rest of us who set some small records back in the day.
It definitely matters to me!! I HATE it when someone posts a video like this and we get no times, no details; might as well not put it on TH-cam. What seems so strange is that Ryun ran faster in high school than he did in this race!!
Ryun was THE American miler in the late 60's-early 70's. Unfortunately, Olympic glory eluded him. The Mexico City altitude got to him in 68, and he collided with another runner in 72. Still, in American track, he'll always be a legend.
it’s not the altitude, Ryan wasn’t mentally right that day and ran in a day-dream until 500m to go then he woke up. Such a shame as he was the better runner. Reminds me of the Coe v Ovett race when Coe was in a day dream in that 800m
The time in Mexico was far faster than what he anticipated would win. Back in those days Jim trained for a period of time at altitude, but now all the world class runners LIVE at altitude all year long so they have what it takes to compete with the Africans. Jim was a phenominal runner and it's sad he didn't have the rubber tracks that people have now to make their records so fast.
I remember Jim Ryun running in the Texas Relays at UT Austin in 69. I was running for a small school (Stephen F Austin St Univ) and was honored to be participating in the same meet as Ryun. His performance against Keino in Mexico City was a disappointment, to be sure, But that doesn't diminish his career achievements. The guy ran like a freight train... he was so powerful. It doesn't show on the films, but the guy seemed unstoppable.
One of my biggest thrills was lining up next to Ryun. We had a dual meet at Lawrence in the spring of 1972. I was ready to run the 3 mile when Ryun showed up and asked if he could get some practice run in before the summer Olympic trials. I didn't know if I should ask for an autograph or handshake or be indifferent. But I was determined to try and stay with him as long as possible,well that didn't work well as I lasted just six laps,but thinking back those were a grand memories
@rentslave Well, i consider myself a moderate, but as an American, i do feel that i can speak for my countrymen and i can say that "Americans" are not anti-adoption, seeing as how two of my cousins came into the family that way. i would hope that Ryan would oppose the bills because of cost, but seeing as how he voted for war financing/Bush spending agenda every time, i find that claim dubious. I prefer to think of Ryan as a racer than a politician. In 1967 he was the best ever by yards.
The reason Keino won @ Mexico City was simple...Ryun's training had been interrupted by a nasty bout of mono, earlier in the year...Ryun really never regained the DOMINANCE he displayed from 1965-1967... Elite middle distance running requires a long, unbroken training regimen...the difference between beating Keino @ any altitude, with any tactic, is staying healthy... Ryun only qualified for the Olympics because the games were late(Oct)..He ran only 3:48 @ the trials in Sept...Mono sucks
A bad bout of mono can linger for years, even though you are "recovered" and back to sports. I could tell a difference in my abilities for 5 years afterwards. Endurance suffers and is very hard to get it back.
i saww Jim Ryun today at the lawrance ks, RImRock race(: very cool i also got his signitures,he inspiress me alot. i do run cross country and will be doing track this spring
I saw Keino a couple of times at the White City in London during those years. He used to run wearing a baseball cap and we all knew when he was getting ready for his kick because he'd throw it off into the crowd on the back straight!!!
Roger Barrera it’s not the altitude, Ryan wasn’t mentally right that day and ran in a day-dream until 500m to go then he woke up. Such a shame as he was the better runner. Reminds me of the Coe v Ovett race when Coe was in a day dream in that 800m
It was a privilage to have been at White city that day to witness the " clash of titans". Ryun ran 3.56. that day compared to his W.R. at the time of 3.51.1. Not bad on a cinder track. The first British synthetic track, at Crystal Palace opened the next year in 68. and saw the late, great Ron Clarke break his own 2 mile W.R. 8.19.6.
Amras1, how did kipkeino cheat in Mexico, please watch the race on youtube and then tell us how he cheated! With the few resources Kenyans (and Ethiopians) have they sure kick a lot of a@#. Please do not hate watch the video and then tell me how
That's a remarkable insane comment. Simply because you don't win a gold medal hardly qualifies you as "not a winner type." He set a world record, then beat his own record. He beats Keino here and beat Snell when he was still in high school. Perhaps you weren't around when he almost always won. Do some research before such an outrageous comment; absolutely insane.
Here's evidence... World records in outdoor and indoor mile World record in 1500 meters World record 880 yards Oh yes...you have to WIN those races.. In the 72 Olympics, he was fouled by tripping, but the IOC (International Olympic Committee) denied his reinstatement. Of course, that group in those Olympics was awful. Not a winner type.....amazing
@@bfc3057 No it is no impossible - happens all the time. And Ryun did not drift inwards - he went to the outside so he could go around and move up and the guy behind him tried to follow and tripped him.
Kip Keino set up and still runs an orphanage which has given hundreds of children some chance in life. Maybe he turned away to let Ryun do his victory lap, who knows, or cares! I was watching the London marathon a few years ago near finish, with runners coming in around 4 1/2 hours. I saw this familar figure but though it can't be him. I shout out 'come on Kip Keino' He was 50m away by the up ahead but turned round and gave me a huge smile and wave The guy is a legend and real gentleman
Ryun was terrific to watch in full flight; a beautiful stylist and a fierce racer. Shame he turned into an ultra right wing politician, muddied in dodgy dealings, doubtless still professing his devout Christianity.
History reveals much, if studied properly. The pressure of cultural hatred effects us all. Yet, track and field remains one of the purist opportunities to recognize and improve upon our own inherited prejudices. Jim Ryan and Kip Keino both rose above it all to heights we can all be proud of. Now, if we can all just get along...
Jim Ryun was seeded in a loaded heat in 1972 as the time the US management put forward for him was a mile time of about 3. 52. therefore the computer thought he was no good and put him in with a load of other good runners making it harder to qualify. in the rush he was tripped (or tripped himself) and fell and was out.
Of course Ryun was the superior miler while Keino had more range. 1. The mono before Mexico surely affected him. Given that his first mile at high altitude showed him how tough it was he should have joined Tom Laris for a year in Mexico city. 2. Credit to Keino for trying various tactics....this race he went with lap to go...in Ryun's 1500m he tried w 3 laps to go. Mexico he just realized from the gun. Most likely sea level Ryun wins but it wasnt at see level. Keino also ran through terrible stomach (?) pains. They were gentlemen. Keino rescued many orphans from the streets
Having watched many of Ryun's races, I notice that he spends a lot of time running in the 2nd lane, even around the curves. I think that if he had ever had the confidence of, say, Prefontaine to lead an entire race, he could've run faster than 3:51.
If Jim had chosen to go to Villanova or Oregon he would've learned how to race with evenly paced quarter miles in 57-58 sec. and he would've broke 3:50 / mile. Jim should've been brought along slowly in H.S. instead of getting burnt out by coach Timmons. He had more talent than Coe and yet Seb was able to train more effectively with the help of his scientific Dad and by training more intelligently.
Marc -- the cinder tracks like this one at London's White City always had the inside lane chewed up from prior distance races. The first "tartan" track in Britain was at Crystal Palace circa 1970
Marc Weeks another way he could have run faster. He never ran as fast once he was past 20. I think he trained too hard in his teens and burnt out hen he got past 20. If he'd built up more slowly like Seb Coe and Steve Ovett, he would have run faster. men do not physically peak until they mid 20s. He might have run 3 or 4 seconds faster. other greats never reached their full potential Herb Elliot - retired at 22 Steve Ovett - wasn't very interested in WRs Jim Ryan - pushed too hard too early
Keino was a real winner type at olympics games. 1968 beat Ruyn with 3 seconds at 1500 m - never done before or after. 1972 won (after suffering bad moments at 1500 m) 3000m steeples, which ever tried before.
Great run by Ryun,he got it right there,but failed to put into practice, this strategy in 68 Olympic Final.Sea Level/or altitude he got it wrong that day.
it’s not the altitude, Ryan wasn’t mentally right that day and ran in a day-dream until 500m to go then he woke up. Such a shame as he was the better runner. Reminds me of the Coe v Ovett race when Coe was in a day dream in that 800m
You make the altitude seem like some kind of a bizarre or unfair advantage. If the games were at sea level that year and Ryun had won, then supporters of Keino could have said "if it wasn't for having to run at that low elevation, Keino would have won". The Olympics are where they are. It is up to the athletes to adjust.
Correct, but the altitude on top of Ryun's illness did him in. Kip won fair and square. The tactics of the Kenyans and the altitude are not excuses they are simply explanations.
An impressive run and interesting video, sadly marred here by nasty nationalist and racist comments. Pull yourselves together and let's have a less petty, hateful youtube and give credit where it's due.
Ok I watched. The Americans ran in the rear but two were behind Ryun where they couldn't help him. Jipcho ran in front very fast setting the race pace for Keino in 3rd place. Keino took the lead in the final lap. It was a team effort of rabbiting,very common in middle distance but illegal in the Olympics. The altitude and the fast pace caught the runners by surprise. A brilliant race but definitely cheating.
It was against the rules in the olympics and the Kenyans definitly did it against Jim Ryan in Mexico City. The Olympic ideal is not to promote countries but mankind. The Kenyans used their 2nd and 3rd runners in Mexico City so that a Kenyan,Kip Keino would win and he did.
First of all get your facts right. Keino moved to the front with 800m to go, not at the last lap. Ryun tried to move up too late. You can say what you want about Keino having the advantage because of the altitude, but coming into the race Ryun severly underestimated the effort he would have to put forward in this race. Some years after the race he said We thought that running a 3:39 would get me the gold. Mentaly he was not prepared to battle Keino at the pace that was set.
The bit of tragedy with Jim Ryun. As a teenager and young adult he was the finest miler ever. But the last years of his career should’ve seen an Olympic Gold. Instead it didn’t quite happen.
Keino was great in many ways but here he disrespected Ryun by turning and walking away right after the race with no acknowlegment of Ryun's accomplishment
Well they ran a team. One pacer Jipcho and Keino following in 3rd place. This is very common in middle distance running but illegal in the Olympics. Jipcho set a fast pace at altitude that caught the runners by surprise or they couldn't match. Keino followed and took the lead with a lap to go. It is known as rabbiting and I'm sure they worked on it in practice leading up to the olympics.
I'm not swiss (holes in the head,ha ha). Meant GREATEST. Didn't mean grated!. Thanks for the grading (not grating). The Kenyans did cheat and Jim was the best. So long.
"..they were all at the starting lineup together". Yes that is true but at altitude a fast pace is much harder. The other runners did not know that Jipcho was going to sprint out and set a fast pace except for Keino. He knew,it is obvious. Norpath from East Germany always tried to stay right behind the leader and that is why he was ahead of Keino. Norpath helped because without him and Jipcho running first with Keino in 2nd right behind and there would have be inquiry and maybe disqualification.
Explain "class:" class as a RACER or class as a human being?If you are referring to the latter, then Keino has it all over Ryan. Keino has adopted more than 20 children and has opened up an orphanage and a training center in Kenya. Ryan while in congress scored a whopping 0 on environmental protection scorecard, voted against prescription drug benefits, and lied about his relationship with Mark Foley, the would-be kiddie fiddler.That being said, Ryan OWNED Keino every time.Except when it counted
В той форме,какой Райан был в 1967 году ,он обыграл бы абсолютно любого миливика.В Дюссельдорфе он пробежал последние 300 м за 36.4 и обогнал на этом отрезке чемпиона Европы Тюмлера на 4 секунды,при конечном результате 3.38.4 .Ни один бегун в мире так быстро не финишировал когда результат был из 3.40
Keino knew from this race he didn't have the leg speed to beat Ryun and would need to take the kick out of Ryun's leg at the Olympics with a quick early pace.
Absolutely correct. Keino tried different tactics in Los Angeles (1500 m) and in White City, got beaten badly in both races. The only way to possibly beat Ryun was a fast pace from the beginning. In 1968, Ryun was not helped by first getting mono and then not running really any fast races all year. In Mexico City, having lost the 10 and 5K races - the latter to Gammoudi, one of the early tough competitors - and having gall bladder problems, Keino ran the race of his life at altitude to take the gold. The difference between the BBC and ABC commentaries on the race, shows how unprepared the Americans (runners, commentators) were for a fast run in the 1500 m.
Shame the 68 Olympics at to be at 7500 feet. Real disadvantage for any sea level athlete like Ron Clarke and Jim Ryun who at the time were the best in the world at their respective events.
Yes, Keino WAS a poor sport. Just like those two Kenyans were poor sports when Dave Wottle beat them in the 800 m in the 1972 Olympics. Maybe all Kenyans are poor sports.
@Richard Milliken personally I think ovett would have beaten HEG all the time with modern training. Ovett had xcountry strength but also 200m to 800m speed. 21.7 200m 47.5400m 1.44800m That was much faster than HeG.
@Richard Milliken not true HeG 800 best was 1.47 Ovett 3k 5k times were from his training from 20.years before HeG I thought we agreed on this yesterday Good buy
We all know what happened a year later in the olympics on the world stage. Lets just say the world remembers the name Kip Kieno... who's the other guy again?
Jim Ryan because of his naivety about tactical racing regarding Olympic racing, could only achieve a high standard at competitions that called for individualistic mastery, to push the pace and go all out, and letting speed be the accountability. Ryan was a primitive runner, when it came to Olympic competition, but excelled in one to one competitive races, for instance when he face a Peter Snell or Kip Keino. Luis Lazaro Tijerina, Burlington, Vermont
I saw that and was quite perplexed by it. I don't know what the general relationship was between Ryun and Keino at that time, but that was a really poor display, no matter what.
There is little question in my mind after watching this that Jim Ryun would have won the gold medal in 1968 if the Olympics were at sea level rather than in Mexico City.
Complete nonsense. If Ryun and Keino took steroids their times would be best ever even today. Both are very ethical men. Because you cant fathom this talent then go watch MMA
kip rose, ryun was only a minor player as history revealed. if keino was u.s. citizen, he would run 3.30 1500m, 3.49 mile, 7.35 3km and 13.10 5km. believe me or you're in trouble :-)
You are an idiot! Ryun set the WR the year before in 3:33.1 for the 1500 on a dirt track bro while a teenager. Keino's trainer was British and from that system. STFU! He was beating tons of people and challenging top elite runners in HS. Retired at 25 after the 72 OG. One of the all-time innate talents.
@@veridicusmaximus6010 Keino was self-trained, from fuckin' Africa and he still beat the man that had everything from the beginning. Keino IS Olympic gold medalist. Twice. Plus two Olympic silvers. Poor Ryun has only that silver, trounced in a greatest achievement of his career. Souly said.
@@soulyrasheed Keino was not self trained you idiot. His father was long distance runner, his Kenyan coach was Mukora. Mukora enjoyed the rare distinction of having been an athlete, coach and administrator at the highest global level, representing Kenya in both football and athletics at regional competitions. He competed in the long jump and triple jump before later taking up the decathlon, urged into sport by his British teacher John Cowley. The fact that you are shitting on Ryun says a lot about your understanding of the sport and you diminished soul. Ryun was raised in a small town and starting running in HS. Ryun had Mono a few months prior to 68 and the altitude affected his running. In 72 he was tripped and DNF. Life is like that sometimes - the cards just don't come your way. Ryun's times were better and he beat Kip every other time they raced. Kip is a great runner and won when it counted. I don't have anything negative to say about him. Your inability to recognize Ryun's talent and achievement is pathetic but that's a reflection of you not Ryun.
@@soulyrasheed You said he was a minor player. Yeah, 3 WR before he was 21 (2 in the mile and 1 in the 1500) and beat your top 10 guy every other time they raced and still got Silver with Mono at altitude and retired after the 72 OG at 25. Like I said Kip won when it counted and had a better career but Ryun was a better 1500 and mile runner PERIOD.
His mile of 3:51.1 with poor shoes on a cinder track was an amazing WR for it's day.
Insane beast of an athlete for sure. I was on varsity football as a freshman, because I was fast as hell and I was on the team for wide receiver and kicker both. I broke a couple records when I was younger running track, it’s always the early bloomers that can really set some records. Jim Ryan, though was a whole other beast. Some of these folks are in a whole different league than the rest of us who set some small records back in the day.
@@benjaminjantzen1398... Ryun.
What a race. Jim Ryan had 800 meter speed with a serious kick. Reading his books in high school earned me second at state finals.
“The time doesn’t matter.” But, hey, anyone know the final time? Anyone know Ryun’s last lap time? It matters to some of us!
It definitely matters to me!! I HATE it when someone posts a video like this and we get no times, no details; might as well not put it on TH-cam.
What seems so strange is that Ryun ran faster in high school than he did in this race!!
Ryun was THE American miler in the late 60's-early 70's. Unfortunately, Olympic glory eluded him. The Mexico City altitude got to him in 68, and he collided with another runner in 72. Still, in American track, he'll always be a legend.
it’s not the altitude, Ryan wasn’t mentally right that day and ran in a day-dream until 500m to go then he woke up. Such a shame as he was the better runner. Reminds me of the Coe v Ovett race when Coe was in a day dream in that 800m
The time in Mexico was far faster than what he anticipated would win. Back in those days Jim trained for a period of time at altitude, but now all the world class runners LIVE at altitude all year long so they have what it takes to compete with the Africans. Jim was a phenominal runner and it's sad he didn't have the rubber tracks that people have now to make their records so fast.
I remember Jim Ryun running in the Texas Relays at UT Austin in 69. I was running for a small school (Stephen F Austin St Univ) and was honored to be participating in the same meet as Ryun. His performance against Keino in Mexico City was a disappointment, to be sure, But that doesn't diminish his career achievements. The guy ran like a freight train... he was so powerful. It doesn't show on the films, but the guy seemed unstoppable.
One of my biggest thrills was lining up next to Ryun. We had a dual meet at Lawrence in the spring of 1972. I was ready to run the 3 mile when Ryun showed up and asked if he could get some practice run in before the summer Olympic trials. I didn't know if I should ask for an autograph or handshake or be indifferent. But I was determined to try and stay with him as long as possible,well that didn't work well as I lasted just six laps,but thinking back those were a grand memories
@rentslave Well, i consider myself a moderate, but as an American, i do feel that i can speak for my countrymen and i can say that "Americans" are not anti-adoption, seeing as how two of my cousins came into the family that way. i would hope that Ryan would oppose the bills because of cost, but seeing as how he voted for war financing/Bush spending agenda every time, i find that claim dubious. I prefer to think of Ryan as a racer than a politician. In 1967 he was the best ever by yards.
The reason Keino won @ Mexico City was simple...Ryun's training had been interrupted by a nasty bout of mono, earlier in the year...Ryun really never regained the DOMINANCE he displayed from 1965-1967... Elite middle distance running requires a long, unbroken training regimen...the difference between beating Keino @ any altitude, with any tactic, is staying healthy... Ryun only qualified for the Olympics because the games were late(Oct)..He ran only 3:48 @ the trials in Sept...Mono sucks
I didn't know that. It does explain a lot. Thanks.
A bad bout of mono can linger for years, even though you are "recovered" and back to sports. I could tell a difference in my abilities for 5 years afterwards. Endurance suffers and is very hard to get it back.
i saww Jim Ryun today at the lawrance ks, RImRock race(: very cool i also got his signitures,he inspiress me alot. i do run cross country and will be doing track this spring
Ryun was incredible. Thanks for posting!
That's David Coleman, legendary commentator.
I saw Keino a couple of times at the White City in London during those years. He used to run wearing a baseball cap and we all knew when he was getting ready for his kick because he'd throw it off into the crowd on the back straight!!!
A VERY fast final 800 metres! I recall my devastation when Jim failed to win the expected Olympic gold medal.
+Ivan Sanders "A VERY fast final 880 yards . . ."
Roger Barrera it’s not the altitude, Ryan wasn’t mentally right that day and ran in a day-dream until 500m to go then he woke up. Such a shame as he was the better runner. Reminds me of the Coe v Ovett race when Coe was in a day dream in that 800m
@@QED_... Ryun must have run 1:53 (😱) for last 1/2 mile!!!
UNBELIEVABLE!!! ❤️❤️❤️
I recall my elation as a Kenyan when I watched Kipchoge Keino win the Gold in Mexico City in '68 !
A true hero to all Kenyans to this day!
JIM RYUN THE GREATEST for the WIN
It was a privilage to have been at White city that day to witness the " clash of titans". Ryun ran 3.56. that day compared to his W.R. at the time of 3.51.1. Not bad on a cinder track. The first British synthetic track, at Crystal Palace opened the next year in 68. and saw the late, great Ron Clarke break his own 2 mile W.R. 8.19.6.
i was one of the first to run a 800 m at crystal palace in 68 and broke my pb.
Kip was a sore loser and it was a racist move by him to walk off.
Race had nothing to do with it!
@@veridicusmaximus6010 How do you know?
@@sidhayes6168 Because I'm super smart!
@@veridicusmaximus6010 I believe you are!
Amras1, how did kipkeino cheat in Mexico, please watch the race on youtube and then tell us how he cheated! With the few resources Kenyans (and Ethiopians) have they sure kick a lot of a@#. Please do not hate watch the video and then tell me how
That's a remarkable insane comment. Simply because you don't win a gold medal hardly qualifies you as "not a winner type." He set a world record, then beat his own record. He beats Keino here and beat Snell when he was still in high school. Perhaps you weren't around when he almost always won. Do some research before such an outrageous comment; absolutely insane.
@@bfc3057 he was 25 in 72. Physically he was fine -mentally he retired after that.
Ryun, on his day, was quite exceptional.
Track was 440 then, not 400m. When did most tracks convert?
Here's evidence...
World records in outdoor and indoor mile
World record in 1500 meters
World record 880 yards
Oh yes...you have to WIN those races..
In the 72 Olympics, he was fouled by tripping, but the IOC (International Olympic Committee) denied his reinstatement. Of course, that group in those Olympics was awful.
Not a winner type.....amazing
@@bfc3057 No it is no impossible - happens all the time. And Ryun did not drift inwards - he went to the outside so he could go around and move up and the guy behind him tried to follow and tripped him.
Kip Keino set up and still runs an orphanage which has given hundreds of children some chance in life. Maybe he turned away to let Ryun do his victory lap, who knows, or cares!
I was watching the London marathon a few years ago near finish, with runners coming in around 4 1/2 hours. I saw this familar figure but though it can't be him. I shout out 'come on Kip Keino' He was 50m away by the up ahead but turned round and gave me a huge smile and wave
The guy is a legend and real gentleman
Was that gentleman walking away?
Thank ya kindly!
shaked; sneaked; should be shook; snuck if americans bothered to write english correctly my ears would be offended less
I would not doubt if Keino had death threats back in the 1960s. Come on really most racist era in America North or Below.
Ryun was terrific to watch in full flight; a beautiful stylist and a fierce racer.
Shame he turned into an ultra right wing politician, muddied in dodgy dealings, doubtless still professing his devout Christianity.
History reveals much, if studied properly. The pressure of cultural hatred effects us all. Yet, track and field remains one of the purist opportunities to recognize and improve upon our own inherited prejudices. Jim Ryan and Kip Keino both rose above it all to heights we can all be proud of. Now, if we can all just get along...
Jim Ryun was seeded in a loaded heat in 1972 as the time the US management put forward for him was a mile time of about 3. 52. therefore the computer thought he was no good and put him in with a load of other good runners making it harder to qualify. in the rush he was tripped (or tripped himself) and fell and was out.
Of course Ryun was the superior miler while Keino had more range.
1. The mono before Mexico surely affected him. Given that his first mile at high altitude showed him how tough it was he should have joined Tom Laris for a year in Mexico city.
2. Credit to Keino for trying various tactics....this race he went with lap to go...in Ryun's 1500m he tried w 3 laps to go. Mexico he just realized from the gun.
Most likely sea level Ryun wins but it wasnt at see level.
Keino also ran through terrible stomach (?) pains.
They were gentlemen.
Keino rescued many orphans from the streets
Rye Cooder yes I keino had kidney stones!!!!!!!!
Keino.won in '68 with pure balls - he should never have been able to hold the race after his outrageous first 800, but he did.
@downwithfedr.
Please, lets not mix politics in sports.
... Barack Obama Jr. is an American and not a Kenyan.
Actually, he's Indonesian, but he lives in America.
kenyan father
Ryun wanted to shake Keino's hand but he just turned his back.
Having watched many of Ryun's races, I notice that he spends a lot of time running in the 2nd lane, even around the curves. I think that if he had ever had the confidence of, say, Prefontaine to lead an entire race, he could've run faster than 3:51.
If Jim had chosen to go to Villanova or Oregon he would've learned how to race with evenly paced quarter miles in 57-58 sec. and he would've broke 3:50 / mile. Jim should've been brought along slowly in H.S. instead of getting burnt out by coach Timmons. He had more talent than Coe and yet Seb was able to train more effectively with the help of his scientific Dad and by training more intelligently.
Marc -- the cinder tracks like this one at London's White City always had the inside lane chewed up from prior distance races.
The first "tartan" track in Britain was at Crystal Palace circa 1970
Marc Weeks another way he could have run faster. He never ran as fast once he was past 20. I think he trained too hard in his teens and burnt out hen he got past 20. If he'd built up more slowly like Seb Coe and Steve Ovett, he would have run faster. men do not physically peak until they mid 20s. He might have run 3 or 4 seconds faster.
other greats never reached their full potential
Herb Elliot - retired at 22
Steve Ovett - wasn't very interested in WRs
Jim Ryan - pushed too hard too early
I agree.
@@DeeZeeKidd Yes, many people seem to be unaware how the tracks are much faster nowadays.
man this is fun to watch, i hope i have as much fun sunday watching someone beat tigger woods
Kenyans cheated in mexico city 68. not allowed to run a rabbit team. Jim Ryan,the greated miler the world has ever seen.
get over it ,we won
No.I think Herb Elliot was the greatest miler the world has ever seen.
Keino was a real winner type at olympics games. 1968 beat Ruyn with 3 seconds at 1500 m - never done before or after. 1972 won (after suffering bad moments at 1500 m) 3000m steeples, which ever tried before.
Mika Juvonen hi
Great run by Ryun,he got it right there,but failed to put into practice, this strategy in 68 Olympic Final.Sea Level/or altitude he got it wrong that day.
it’s not the altitude, Ryan wasn’t mentally right that day and ran in a day-dream until 500m to go then he woke up. Such a shame as he was the better runner. Reminds me of the Coe v Ovett race when Coe was in a day dream in that 800m
You make the altitude seem like some kind of a bizarre or unfair advantage. If the games were at sea level that year and Ryun had won, then supporters of Keino could have said "if it wasn't for having to run at that low elevation, Keino would have won".
The Olympics are where they are. It is up to the athletes to adjust.
Correct, but the altitude on top of Ryun's illness did him in. Kip won fair and square. The tactics of the Kenyans and the altitude are not excuses they are simply explanations.
Ryun whupped Keino fair and square man to man in this. Mexico City altitude and a clear team plan played into Keino's hands in the Olympics 1968.
An impressive run and interesting video, sadly marred here by nasty nationalist and racist comments. Pull yourselves together and let's have a less petty, hateful youtube and give credit where it's due.
what are you talking about ?
Yeah, what ARE you talking about.
What was his time ?
Ok I watched. The Americans ran in the rear but two were behind Ryun where they couldn't help him. Jipcho ran in front very fast setting the race pace for Keino in 3rd place. Keino took the lead in the final lap. It was a team effort of rabbiting,very common in middle distance but illegal in the Olympics. The altitude and the fast pace caught the runners by surprise. A brilliant race but definitely cheating.
It was against the rules in the olympics and the Kenyans definitly did it against Jim Ryan in Mexico City. The Olympic ideal is not to promote countries but mankind. The Kenyans used their 2nd and 3rd runners in Mexico City so that a Kenyan,Kip Keino would win and he did.
First of all get your facts right. Keino moved to the front with 800m to go, not at the last lap. Ryun tried to move up too late. You can say what you want about Keino having the advantage because of the altitude, but coming into the race Ryun severly underestimated the effort he would have to put forward in this race. Some years after the race he said We thought that running a 3:39 would get me the gold. Mentaly he was not prepared to battle Keino at the pace that was set.
The bit of tragedy with Jim Ryun. As a teenager and young adult he was the finest miler ever. But the last years of his career should’ve seen an Olympic Gold. Instead it didn’t quite happen.
Keino was great in many ways but here he disrespected Ryun by turning and walking away right after the race with no acknowlegment of Ryun's accomplishment
Well they ran a team. One pacer Jipcho and Keino following in 3rd place. This is very common in middle distance running but illegal in the Olympics. Jipcho set a fast pace at altitude that caught the runners by surprise or they couldn't match. Keino followed and took the lead with a lap to go. It is known as rabbiting and I'm sure they worked on it in practice leading up to the olympics.
I'm not swiss (holes in the head,ha ha). Meant GREATEST. Didn't mean grated!. Thanks for the grading (not grating). The Kenyans did cheat and Jim was the best. So long.
"..they were all at the starting lineup together". Yes that is true but at altitude a fast pace is much harder. The other runners did not know that Jipcho was going to sprint out and set a fast pace except for Keino. He knew,it is obvious. Norpath from East Germany always tried to stay right behind the leader and that is why he was ahead of Keino. Norpath helped because without him and Jipcho running first with Keino in 2nd right behind and there would have be inquiry and maybe disqualification.
Explain "class:" class as a RACER or class as a human being?If you are referring to the latter, then Keino has it all over Ryan. Keino has adopted more than 20 children and has opened up an orphanage and a training center in Kenya. Ryan while in congress scored a whopping 0 on environmental protection scorecard, voted against prescription drug benefits, and lied about his relationship with Mark Foley, the would-be kiddie fiddler.That being said, Ryan OWNED Keino every time.Except when it counted
You might want to spell his name correctly if you want to be taken seriously.
В той форме,какой Райан был в 1967 году ,он обыграл бы абсолютно любого миливика.В Дюссельдорфе он пробежал последние 300 м за 36.4 и обогнал на этом отрезке чемпиона Европы Тюмлера на 4 секунды,при конечном результате 3.38.4 .Ни один бегун в мире так быстро не финишировал когда результат был из 3.40
I was on a track team at the time so I was glued to Wide World of Sports every Saturday.
Keino got him in 68 on his turf 8000 ft elevation
Yep, him as well. Three world record holders and legends that seemed to encounter rotten luck at the Olympics.
Keino knew from this race he didn't have the leg speed to beat Ryun and would need to take the kick out of Ryun's leg at the Olympics with a quick early pace.
Absolutely correct. Keino tried different tactics in Los Angeles (1500 m) and in White City, got beaten badly in both races. The only way to possibly beat Ryun was a fast pace from the beginning. In 1968, Ryun was not helped by first getting mono and then not running really any fast races all year. In Mexico City, having lost the 10 and 5K races - the latter to Gammoudi, one of the early tough competitors - and having gall bladder problems, Keino ran the race of his life at altitude to take the gold. The difference between the BBC and ABC commentaries on the race, shows how unprepared the Americans (runners, commentators) were for a fast run in the 1500 m.
@dredandmrbears
Don't feed the trolls.
In the days of true sport.
Afterburners.
@JAVMAN83. or NASCAR tactics.
RIP right ear.
thanks for posting
Derek Clayton as well.
Shame the 68 Olympics at to be at 7500 feet. Real disadvantage for any sea level athlete like Ron Clarke and Jim Ryun who at the time were the best in the world at their respective events.
The altitude didn't stop David Hemery wininng in a WR.
I whole-heartedly agree about Ron Clarke and Jim Ryun.
@@francishooton3933 Well done David Hemery and Bob Beamon!!!
But neither were endurance athletes.
GOAT!
Yes, Keino WAS a poor sport. Just like those two Kenyans were poor sports when Dave Wottle beat them in the 800 m in the 1972 Olympics. Maybe all Kenyans are poor sports.
hellbent psycho
you might want to check your statement buddy
I WONDER WHAT THE TIME WASS?
3:56...
@@odrauderojas2576 thancs..
Ryan could have beaten HeG. challenged Cram, Coe?
@Richard Milliken Training in the 1960s was quite different! In one 1967 race on utube, Jim Ryan runs the last 300m in 36.4. finished in 3.36 or so.
@Richard Milliken See th-cam.com/video/NUsEuv3Debs/w-d-xo.html
times isn't that slow for then. equivalent to 3.30 to day.
@Richard Milliken and Ovett.
@Richard Milliken personally I think ovett would have beaten HEG all the time with modern training.
Ovett had xcountry strength but also
200m to 800m speed.
21.7 200m
47.5400m
1.44800m
That was much faster than HeG.
@Richard Milliken not true HeG 800 best was 1.47
Ovett 3k 5k times were from his training from 20.years before HeG
I thought we agreed on this yesterday
Good buy
We all know what happened a year later in the olympics on the world stage. Lets just say the world remembers the name Kip Kieno... who's the other guy again?
Jim Ryan because of his naivety about tactical racing regarding Olympic racing, could only achieve a high standard at competitions that called for individualistic mastery, to push the pace and go all out, and letting speed be the accountability. Ryan was a primitive runner, when it came to Olympic competition, but excelled in one to one competitive races, for instance when he face a Peter Snell or Kip Keino. Luis Lazaro Tijerina, Burlington, Vermont
Ryun was 20 years old bro. Jeez! Had only started running in HS in small town.
keino turned and walked away with no chance to show sportsmanship. Ryun was looking to offer a handshake at least. real shame.
I saw that and was quite perplexed by it. I don't know what the general relationship was between Ryun and Keino at that time, but that was a really poor display, no matter what.
Jim Ruyn was not a winner type. Good runner but that's all.
WHAT THE FUCK! You have to win to set a WR TWICE! And he beat Kip every other time they raced. Troll alert!
There is little question in my mind after watching this that Jim Ryun would have won the gold medal in 1968 if the Olympics were at sea level rather than in Mexico City.
Steroids steroids steroids. Lol. And that includes Roger Bannister and Glenn Cunningham et al up to 2019.
stop talking rubbish
Francis Hooton steroid junkies, one and all.lol.
Complete nonsense. If Ryun and Keino took steroids their times would be best ever even today.
Both are very ethical men. Because you cant fathom this talent then go watch MMA
Troll.
Steroids don't help middle distance.
kip rose, ryun was only a minor player as history revealed. if keino was u.s. citizen, he would run 3.30 1500m, 3.49 mile, 7.35 3km and 13.10 5km. believe me or you're in trouble :-)
You are an idiot! Ryun set the WR the year before in 3:33.1 for the 1500 on a dirt track bro while a teenager. Keino's trainer was British and from that system. STFU! He was beating tons of people and challenging top elite runners in HS. Retired at 25 after the 72 OG. One of the all-time innate talents.
@@veridicusmaximus6010 Keino was self-trained, from fuckin' Africa and he still beat the man that had everything from the beginning. Keino IS Olympic gold medalist. Twice. Plus two Olympic silvers. Poor Ryun has only that silver, trounced in a greatest achievement of his career. Souly said.
@@soulyrasheed Keino was not self trained you idiot. His father was long distance runner, his Kenyan coach was Mukora. Mukora enjoyed the rare distinction of having been an athlete, coach and administrator at the highest global level, representing Kenya in both football and athletics at regional competitions. He competed in the long jump and triple jump before later taking up the decathlon, urged into sport by his British teacher John Cowley. The fact that you are shitting on Ryun says a lot about your understanding of the sport and you diminished soul. Ryun was raised in a small town and starting running in HS. Ryun had Mono a few months prior to 68 and the altitude affected his running. In 72 he was tripped and DNF. Life is like that sometimes - the cards just don't come your way. Ryun's times were better and he beat Kip every other time they raced. Kip is a great runner and won when it counted. I don't have anything negative to say about him. Your inability to recognize Ryun's talent and achievement is pathetic but that's a reflection of you not Ryun.
@@veridicusmaximus6010 I'm not shittin' on Ryun. he's one of the Top 20 milers ever, but Kip is Top 10 or even higher
@@soulyrasheed You said he was a minor player. Yeah, 3 WR before he was 21 (2 in the mile and 1 in the 1500) and beat your top 10 guy every other time they raced and still got Silver with Mono at altitude and retired after the 72 OG at 25. Like I said Kip won when it counted and had a better career but Ryun was a better 1500 and mile runner PERIOD.
What was JRyun's time in this London race?
apparently 3.56 , but you wouldn't know from watching this.